Industries Qatar Q.P.S.C. (IQCD) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

August 9, 2022

Qatar Stock Exchange QA Industrials Industrial Conglomerates earnings 30 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Saugata Sarkar

analyst
#1

Thank you, Saskia. Hi, hello, everyone. This is Bobby Sarkar, Head of Research at QNB Financial Services. I wanted to welcome everyone to Industries Qatar's second quarter 2022 Results Conference Call. So on this call from Qatar Energy's Privatized Companies Affairs Group, we have Mohammed Al-Sulaiti, who is the Manager in Privatized Companies Affairs; [ Saffan, Mohammed ], who is Acting Assistant Manager in Financial Operations; Rashid Al-Mohannadi, who is the Senior Financial Management Analyst; and Riaz Khan, who is the Investor Relations Officer. So we will conduct this conference with management first briefly reviewing the company's results followed by a Q&A session. I would like to now turn the call over to Riaz. Riaz, please go ahead.

Riaz Khan

executive
#2

Thank you, Bobby. Good afternoon, and thank you all for joining us. Hope you're all doing great. Before we go into the business and performance updates of IQ, I would like to mention that this call is purely for the investors of IQ, and no media representatives should be attending this call. Moreover, please note that this call is subject to IQ's disclaimer statements as detailed on Slide #2 of the IR deck. Moving on to the call on 7 of August, IQ published its results for the 6-months period ended 30 of June 2022. And today, in this call, we'll go through these results and provide you an update on key financial and operational highlights. We have structured our call as follows. At first, I will provide you with quick insights on IQ's ownership structure, its competitive advantages and overall governance structure. Secondly, [ Saffan ] will brief you on IQ's key operational and financial performance metrics. Later, I will provide you with an update on latest segmental performance. And finally, we will open the floor for the Q&A session. To start with, as detailed on Slide 5, the ownership structure of IQ comprises of QatarEnergy with 51% stake, and the rest is in the free float held by various domestic and international corporates and individuals. IQ is credited by S&P with A+ and Moody's with A1 credit rating with a stable outlook. QatarEnergy being the main shareholder of IQ provides most of the head office functions through a service level agreement. The operations of IQ group companies are independently managed by its respective Board of Directors, along with senior management team. In terms of competitive strengths, as detailed on Slide 8, the group is well-positioned with several competitive advantages it possesses strategically, operationally as well as financially. These strengths include an efficient and well-maintained asset base, a qualified and highly trained workforce, a short supply of feedstock and competitively priced energy contracts, lower operating cost, and a dedicated marketing team in form of Muntajat, to market group's petrochemicals and fertilizer products and finally, most importantly, a well-experienced senior management team. As detailed on Slide 10 from competitive positioning perspective, IQ ranks among top-tier companies within the regional downstream space across most of the matrices. In terms of governance structure of IQ, you may refer to Slides 48 and 49 of the IR deck, which covers various aspects of IQ's code of corporate governance in detail. I will now hand over to [ Saffan ].

Unknown Executive

executive
#3

Thank you, Riaz. Good afternoon, and thank you all for joining the call. Starting with macroeconomic environment, which remained uneven during the first 6 months of 2022, where demand for most of the downstream products slightly inched downward, mainly due to China's COVID-linked lockdowns and cautious approach from our buyers. On the other hand, supply side was affected by Russia and Ukraine conflict enforcing sharp rises in energy prices, challenging plant economics, especially for the European producers where gas prices significantly went up. On an overall basis, commodity prices were essentially balanced to bearish during the first quarter of 2022, whereas during the second quarter of 2022, despite uncertainties over recessionary fears, price has slightly improved on back of persistent higher energy prices and supply side constraints. Moving on to the financial performance for the first 6 months of 2022. As detailed on Slide #16 of the IR deck, the group reported a net profit of QAR 5.4 billion as compared to a net profit of QAR 3.5 billion for the same period of last year, showing a growth of 57 percentage versus last year. Group's improved financial performance versus last year was largely attributable to improved product prices, which on average inclined by 51% and translated into an increase of QAR 5 billion in group's bottom line earnings as you can see from Slide #17 of the IR deck. Sales volume increased by 3% versus first half of 2021, primarily driven by higher plant operating rates leading into improved production volumes and contributing QAR 209 million positively to the current period's profitability versus the first half of 2021. The overall growth in selling prices and sales volumes led to an overall growth in revenue for the group, which increased by 56% during the first half of 2022 and reached QAR 14.3 billion. As detailed on Slide 15, group's production levels were up on last year by 5%. There were a few reasons for that. Restart of previously mothballed DR-2 facility with a larger capacity together with higher plant operating base noted within [indiscernible] segment contributed towards the overall increase in production volumes in the current year. Moving on to quarter-on-quarter performance. Compared to the first quarter of 2022, group revenue and net profit remained flat. The growth in selling prices were almost offset by lower sales volumes. Decline in sales volumes was mainly linked to lower fertilizer sales volumes during the second quarter of 2022 as QAFCO's first quarter sales volumes were boosted by additional volumes on account of timing of shipments carried forward from the fourth quarter of 2022. Prices slightly improved on backlog persistent higher energy prices and supply side constraints despite recent demand-related concerns. Our robust business models and the strength of our global supply chains continued to leverage our resilience and provided flexibility to our operations, whereas our continued positioning of a low-cost operator ensured our competitive edge. Moreover, as detailed on Slide 19, IQ's EBITDA margins continue to remain robust. Also, we continue to build our strong financial position with improved cash flow generation capabilities and the group generated QAR 4.6 billion in terms of free cash flows during the current period as detailed on Slide 18. Now I will hand over to Riaz to cover the segmental performance of the group. Riaz?

Riaz Khan

executive
#4

Thank you, [ Saffan ]. I will start with the Petrochemicals segment as detailed on Slide 25. Performance of pet chem segment improved with a net profit of QAR 1.5 billion for the first 6 months of 2022 with an increase of 1% versus the same period for the last year. Improvement in segmental revenue was mainly offset by higher OpEx. Segment's blended product prices rose by 17% on a year-on-year basis, while sales volumes increased by 6%. Segmental revenue for the period reached QAR 3.86 billion, with an improvement of 24% versus the same period of last year. As detailed on Slide 26, segment's EBITDA margin continued to remain strong. In terms of segment revenue by geography, as detailed on Slide 27, Asia remains the main market for PE and MTBE, whereas Indian subcontinent remains a key market for methanol and polyethylene. Moving on to the Fertilizer segment. As detailed on Slide 31, the segment reported a net profit of QAR 3.3 billion for the current period, with an increase of 115% versus the first half of last year. This increase was mainly driven by growth in revenues which increased by 107% to reach QAR 7.95 billion. Selling prices improved by 100% versus the same period of last year, while sales volumes increased by 4%. On the other hand, production volumes slightly declined versus the last year. As detailed on Slide 32, segment's EBITDA margins continued to remain robust. In terms of segment revenue by geography, as detailed on Slide 33, North and South Americas remain main market for fertilizers along with Indian subcontinent in Asia. Now let's discuss the Steel segment, and you may refer to Slides 35 till 40. Steel segment reported a net profit of QAR 621 million, up by 25% versus first half of 2021. Improved segmental profits was mainly driven by higher revenues, which increased by 11% versus first half of 2021. Additionally, segment's associate that produces iron oxide pellets, Foulath Holding, reported commendable financial results against the backdrop of improved operations. Growth in revenue was mainly driven by higher selling prices, which increased by 13% on an average on a year-on-year basis, mainly driven by higher steel and iron ore prices prevailing internationally. Sales volumes remained relatively flat against the backdrop of softening domestic demand. Moving on to Slide 38. Segment's EBITDA margin continued to remain robust following the mothballing decision. Now we will open the floor for the Q&A session.

Saugata Sarkar

analyst
#5

Hi, operator. Can you open up the call for Q&A, please?

Operator

operator
#6

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Alex Comer of JPMorgan.

Alex Comer

analyst
#7

Can you just talk me through what drove the cost savings in the Steel business and whether that's sustainable going forward? That's my first question. And similarly, when we look at the fertilizer business, the cost in the second quarter, is that roughly what we should expect going forward?

Unknown Executive

executive
#8

Alex, answer to your question on the Steel segment, basically, what has happened on the Steel segment, on the Steel segment, if you look at the production in the second quarter, or put it the other way, the sales volume in the second quarter was higher than -- or it's lower than the production. So which means we are holding some inventory, so most of your -- part of your cost is sitting in your inventory. So that is why you see your -- there's a improved EBITDA margin. So that will get normalized going forward. So once your sales get normalized, part of your operating cost will move into your cost of goods sold. So in the second quarter, because your production -- every production has not moved into cost of goods sold, part of your fixed cost, part of your production costs have not moved into inventory. So you see a hike in your EBITDA margin. So that is why you see lower operating cost or higher profitability in Steel. So that will get normalized and you will see historical profitability in the Steel. Coming into Fertilizer. Fertilizer, what had happened, in the second quarter, we had unplanned shutdowns. So when you have unplanned shutdowns, the unplanned cost, the cost associated with unplanned shutdowns are not capitalized, and they moved into your profit and loss accounts. So therefore, obviously, your OpEx increases and your margins generally goes down compared to a normalized margin. So that's why you see fertilizer margins are lower than the previous quarter.

Alex Comer

analyst
#9

Just on the unplanned shutdown, am I right in thinking that actual production levels were up on the quarter if sales were down a little bit? So I mean how much did you lose from a production perspective? And also, could you just talk us through how you expect fertilizer volumes to play out in the second half?

Unknown Executive

executive
#10

In the second half -- the second quarter, we had a little bit of planned shutdown and unplanned shutdown. The production was very marginally down around 3%. Now as per our expectations, we don't expect -- other than unless there is unplanned shutdown, we don't materially expect any production losses or any production to be lost in the second half of the year. So we expect operations to be pretty much normal unless here and there few operating days to be for normal shutdowns. But other than that, we don't expect any major shutdowns like we had for the major [ GST ] for QAFCO on the fourth quarter of last year. So we are not going to have -- we are not expecting any of those major shutdowns. So operation is going to be normal.

Operator

operator
#11

We now move on to our next question from Sashank Lanka of Bank of America.

Sashank Lanka

analyst
#12

I have 3 questions. The first one is on the Fertilizer segment. We do see that your EBITDA margins fell from 50% to 46% in Q2, and you did highlight that this was due to the OpEx increase due to the unplanned shutdown. I'm just wondering how the feedstock costs played out in Q2. Because if I look at your presentation, prices of urea were up slightly quarter-on-quarter on the realized prices you had. So is it fair to assume that most of the margin drop was mainly because of the OpEx cost increase due to the shutdown and feedstock prices kind of remained constant? That's the first question.

Unknown Executive

executive
#13

Sashank, you are right. Basically, what happens usually with the feedstock supplier, generally, you have a take-or-pay agreement. So in case even if you don't -- you have a committed arrangement to take your feedstock, so what happens if the shutdown is a planned shutdown, as per your accounting policy, you will capitalize it. If it as an unplanned shutdown, you will charge into your P&L. So in this case, this feedstock plus any other costs associated with your shutdown will go through your P&L. So that's what happened here. So it's an accounting adjustment, so it's charged to your P&L.

Sashank Lanka

analyst
#14

So [ Saffan ], it's fair to assume that your feedstock prices for QAFCO are kind of constant or stable Q-on-Q Q2 vs Q1?

Unknown Executive

executive
#15

As long as the prices remain stable, yes, it is.

Sashank Lanka

analyst
#16

Okay. Great. Then my second question is just on this acquisition, the melamine business, right, where you acquired 100%, can you talk about what impact that will have on your profitability going forward?

Unknown Executive

executive
#17

So technically, there were no acquisition. Acquisition was concluded in August 2020. It was just integration. The acquisition was concluded when we acquired QAFCO's 25% was done. This is only an operational integration. So here, this will bring some operational and financial synergies. So this acquisition, if you recall, when we acquired the 25% of -- QAFCO's 25% in July-August 2020, along with that, QAFCO acquired the 40% of QatarEnergy's share in Qatar Melamine Company. So at that time itself, the shareholding in QMC was 100% owned by QAFCO. Now what had happened, the integration -- now the integration is completed. So meaning to say the operational integration now more or less is the management control, the operational -- it's more or less fully operated by QAFCO. That's what it's meant to say.

Sashank Lanka

analyst
#18

And the last question is, is there any guidance you can give us on shutdowns across all your segments for the second half of the year?

Unknown Executive

executive
#19

I have already answered for Alex Comer's question. It's basically in the second half of the year, there won't be any major shutdowns as we know, unless otherwise, we have any unplanned shutdown, which we cannot predict anything. The year is -- the second half of the year expected to be stable as we at this moment of the time as we know.

Operator

operator
#20

[Operator Instructions] We now move on to Dalal Darwich of Goldman Sachs with our next question.

Dalal Darwich

analyst
#21

This is Dalal from Goldman Sachs. I'll be asking questions on behalf of Faisal Azmeh because he unfortunately could not attend the call. So just a couple of questions from our end. So first on dividend. It is increasingly the case that most companies in the region are now have semi-annual dividend policies. The company has a very strong cash position and limited CapEx requirements. So why not instate a semi-annual dividend policy in line with the peers in the region? That's the first one. And the second one is on growth. So how should we think about the potential opportunity for Qatar expanding gas production, and how can this impact IQCD? What are the likely areas of growth where potentially you might see or you can see new allocations? Is it more on the Fertilizer segment or on the Steel segment? And with valuations in the sector now coming off the recent times, are you thinking about M&A?

Unknown Executive

executive
#22

Mohammed, do you want to answer this question?

Mohammed Al-Sulaiti

executive
#23

Feel free. I'll fill in with the unanswered questions.

Unknown Executive

executive
#24

Now to answer your question, now yes, we have a fairly large cash balance, as you know, that is -- that's a fact. But the only thing you need to realize that we operate in a very cyclical business, right? As you see this year itself, beginning of the year, urea, ammonia price was $1,000. Now right now it is between $500 to $600. So we operate in a very cyclical business. So therefore, we need to make sure that we reserve cash for a period where there are uncertainties involved. So therefore, all the free cash that we generate, we cannot just pay based on the cash flow that is generated in that year, cannot be paid in that year itself. We will accumulate cash to be paid during a year where the cash flow generations are lower. A good example would be the COVID year. So what we do generally, you assess particularly the current year of -- under consideration together with next 5 years, which is our 5-year business plan. And the Board takes that into consideration when the dividend is paid. And I think you were asking on the gas field expansion also. For that, I think that's completely out of our purview and that is QatarEnergy is completely looking that separately. When it comes to dividend, we look at that year, looking at next 5 years. As I said, the industry which we work in is completely volatile, completely cyclical. So therefore, we look at that year together with our CapEx forecast, which is also a function of so many other variables, including product prices and the feedstock availability on which we will make decisions. So as I said, this year, we might end up in a very strong free cash flow, but that doesn't mean that we will pay everything out as dividend, but -- because next 5 years could be anything because we operate in a very cyclical business environment. Hope I have answered.

Mohammed Al-Sulaiti

executive
#25

Just maybe to fill in, or just to clarify some of the answers related to dividends. So this is a subject that is discussed in pretty much every earning call and every investor meeting. So just to add on to what [ Saffan ] has mentioned around the cyclicality of the business and depending on what we see in the foreseeable future at the time of the declaration of the dividend are I'd say the 2 main drivers of what the absolute dividend distribution would be in any given year. Of course, add to that, any CapEx or exceptional CapEx programs that the group may have. And that turns into maybe a few things that you've also asked about, which is -- one of which was would there be any investments, any projects, any M&A. And there would be, or there is expectation. There are a few projects that could potentially be reaching FYD towards the end or the second part of this year. So that, of course, if any projects are announced, would also have an impact on the free cash flow to be distributed.

Operator

operator
#26

[Operator Instructions] We now received a question from [ Praik Praganaca ] of HSBC.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#27

I could only join the call now. So I'm not sure if you've already covered this, but could you touch upon the progress on the QAFCO 7 project? How is it coming along, and how much is it tracking the CapEx which you guided to? The second question is about the gas costs. Like we have seen gas costs globally increase. In UAE, they would increase by 2027. There were also reports that in Saudi it might happen. Are you having any kind of discussions with QatarEnergy? Obviously, they don't disclose the gas cost, but is there a discussion going on that it might happen in future? These are my 2 questions.

Unknown Executive

executive
#28

In terms of QAFCO 7, discussions are in progress. Shortly an announcement will come on QAFCO 7. And with respect to the gas pricing, as you know, the contracts are always long term, the supply is assured as we always say. In terms of pricing, if I want to put it into a broader prospective, there are 3 basic elements to pricing. So you have a base price on all contracts pretty much. And also, we have an inflation element added to that. So every contract has an inflation element which is based on base year plus every year, you add an inflation, which is pretty much indexed to the U.S. CPI. And the third element, which we call an escalator, which is a function of the end product price on which the segment is producing. For example, if it is fertilizer, it is urea. If it is petrochemicals, if it is -- it's LDPE, for example. We cannot give the nitty-gritty of those. But again, if you look at the EBITDA margins, and if you look at the end product prices, you can work out some numbers. Unfortunately because these are very confidential numbers between QatarEnergy Commercial and the joint venture entities, unfortunately, we cannot go back to details.

Mohammed Al-Sulaiti

executive
#29

Again, just to clarify one point just to ensure there's no misinterpretation. What's happened is that QAFCO 7 FYD is expected in the second half of the year. So an announcement of whether the project is to go ahead or otherwise is expected to happen in the second half of this year.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#30

And then moving apart from that, you will still be interested in buying the remaining stake in QAPCO and QAFCO when the opportunity opens up in '24 and '29, right?

Unknown Executive

executive
#31

So it all -- we have the right of refusal, right? Is that the correct word to use?

Riaz Khan

executive
#32

That goes to the founder.

Unknown Executive

executive
#33

So the first right of refusal go to the founder and at that point in time, we'll evaluate the opportunity. And obviously if the opportunity is right for us, definitely, we'll consider that. So obviously, like what we did for QAFCO's 25%, obviously, we look at the opportunity.

Operator

operator
#34

At the moment, we have no further questions.

Saugata Sarkar

analyst
#35

Yes. This is Bobby Sarkar again. So if we have no further questions, we can end the call for today. I want to thank Mohammed, [ Saffan ], Rashid, and Riaz for taking the time to answer our questions, and we will pick this up next quarter. Thank you very much.

Riaz Khan

executive
#36

Thank you. Thank you for joining, everyone.

Unknown Executive

executive
#37

Thank you very much.

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