InMode Ltd. (INMD) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
August 12, 2021
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Matthew Taylor
analystAll right. Thanks for joining us for this next session. So we're going to have a 45-minute Q&A chat with management from InMode. Really pleased that you guys can join us here in person. Thanks a lot for coming, and welcome to the stage. So for those of you who don't know going in order here, we've got Moshe Mizrahy, who's the CEO and Founder; Spero Theodorou, the CMO; Yair Malca, CFO; and Alon Yaari, who's the COO. So all the Cs are here, except for Shak. But I hope he's out selling boxes. Anyway so guys, if you want to ask any questions, as always, just throw them up through the iPad here. And let me get started with a big picture question. Moshe, maybe you can just talk about your vision for InMode and touch on some of the founding principles that now allowed you to carve out such a strong position in the aesthetic market.
Moshe Mizrahy
executiveOkay. Basically, you asked 2 questions. Currently, InMode is the biggest company in the medical aesthetic, aesthetic surgical market. Probably this year, we will be over $300 million. We are growing this year by at least $100 million, 50% growth, and we're maintaining very nice gross margin and also net profit. Our vision basically in the aesthetic market and the reason why we grew that fast is because we came up with the new technology to the market. For more than 20 years, the aesthetic market was starving for new technology. Everybody was tired from IPL, laser, et cetera. And when we came up with a new technology, which is based on bipolar RF energy, minimally invasive and ablative, we basically replaced some of the operations which used to be in the hospital and brought them into the clinic instead of face lift people are doing Face Time; instead of tummy tuck, people are doing BodyTite. And that was a huge advantage to the doctor and to the patients as well. Our vision for the future that was part 2 of the question is to take this technology and this approach of taking operation from the hospital to the clinic of the doctor and implement that in gynecology, ENT, ophthalmology, urology and others. Whenever we can use the technology that we have developed, we will continue to develop solution for an unmet need and bring them to the doctor office, which make it easier for the doctors and for the patient.
Matthew Taylor
analystFantastic. Okay. Yes, I wanted to ask another one to follow up on that. Why don't we just talk about some of the core platforms and the things that really make them special. Because you mentioned the market had been starving for something new. So what really makes these core platforms so special?
Moshe Mizrahy
executiveOkay. Well, the core platforms that we have are doing minimal invasive. What that means? That means that we apply energy inside and outside the body. We can penetrate just because we're using RF technology, we can penetrate any depth we want. So we also can control the temperature inside and outside. And by doing so, for example, we can melt the fat if we apply 65 degrees centigrade inside subdermal fat and keeping 43%, 44% on the skin. So on one hand, we melt the fat either take it out, reposition it. On the other hand, we contract the collagen in the skin. And that's basically what plastic surgeon are doing. But instead of doing it with energy, they do it with knife. That's the basic technology of the platforms. Of course, we developed from that one platform for the face, one platform for the body, one platform only for fractional RF, one platform which are hand free for noninvasive using the same bipolar technology. We also make all kinds of laser equipment as a complementary product and as a complementary platform. But our base and the most important technology is based on bipolar RF technology.
Matthew Taylor
analystFantastic. Okay. Well, let's talk about your progress so far and how penetrated you currently are with some of the core physicians like the plastics and the derm. Spero, do you want to take that?
Spero Theodorou
executiveYes, sure, Matt. First of all, thank you for inviting us. Certainly appreciate being here. Traditionally, the plastic surgeons have been sort of the most resistant energy-based devices in general and the penetration has been a little under 10% traditionally over the years. I'd say we're at 20% currently. So we have a lot of runway still to go. It's becoming evident that this is not one of those things that just not becomes another coat hanger, so to speak. That's the way most plastic surgeons look at these devices. And our goal from the very beginning was to have a paradigm shift where every single plastic surgery office has this as a tool. And so in that respect, we have a long way to go. Same thing with the dermatologists, which have not been our main focus, but this -- it's starting over the last couple of years. We went for the plastic surgeons first because they're the most toughest market to get into. They're the most skeptical but they also have a lot of purchasing power. So we took the hard way and it's paid off dividends. We learned a lot from mistakes in the past with other companies. Shak and I were with Cynosure. So we saw that reverse happening which was problematic. So the fact that we're well published, we're well established in this sector, we have the best opinion leaders in this sector allows us to create unprecedented adoption for an energy-based device company, and that's sort of where we are right now.
Matthew Taylor
analystGreat. And as a follow-up to that, I get a lot of questions about penetration and how much room you have left to go. How do you think about that from a platform perspective? Maybe you could talk about some of the different platforms. Kind of what inning they're in, how penetrated they are and how much runway you have?
Spero Theodorou
executiveRight. So BodyTite, the foundation of what we made is radio-frequency-assisted liposuction. So anybody who does liposuction off the bat has -- now has a tool that the limitations of liposuction have been how much skin can be retracted or not and how the quality of the skin is what the limitations are. That's 350,000 to 380,000 procedures a year, according to American Society of Plastic Surgery. So it's #1 or #2 most popular procedure out there. And if you're looking at the obesity wave across the country, United States, we're partners with McDonald's, right? So we suck out the fat. So we're following that trend. So that's very, very positive. But that's been our flagship. As we move along, we found that that's not the only thing we can modulate. And having the ability to modulate the tissues like Moshe has said because the RF goes deeper and be able to do that, whether it's minimally invasively or noninvasively, such as Evoke and Evolve are noninvasive platforms. We're starting to push the limits on that. So the nice thing is that we're the only company that can say, look, you bring your patient in a noninvasive. We have these modalities. Traditionally, noninvasive gives you a result of 25% according to the past numbers, with Coolsculpting and so forth. We're seeing a lot higher changes in that. And then if you want to go. That's the gateway sort of drug. But if you want to do more, we have minimally invasive, and that's where we're kings. So being able to control from the very beginning of the patient experience that patient walks through the door all the way to the end and not having to send them to other companies or other products or other doctors, that gives our physicians a distinct advantage. So noninvasive, minimally invasive. And then the fully invasive procedures, you still use our technology as an adjunct in the operating room. So it's not just minimally invasive. You can use it just like you use a bovie cautery, but now you have controlled a situation where people are doing faces and they're combining our technology with it. So it's an energy. We've harnessed this energy, which has been around forever. It's not new, but we've harnessed it in such a way where we've applied to aesthetic, right? You look at Medtronic, you look at all the RF companies out there. We just did it for aesthetics. So that's why it's -- the sky is the limit because you keep on applying new operations and new applications for it.
Matthew Taylor
analystAnd that you're able to get into the plastics is they are tough customers. Maybe you can talk about how you're starting to expand beyond the core markets and leverage that position to get into some new adjacencies from the physician perspective.
Spero Theodorou
executiveRight. The plastic surgeons are a tough customer. I know I am one. But here is a thing. And for Moshe, when he found me, he had to convince me that this was something, and he did a good job, obviously, today, right? So if you look at the noncore, the noncore has been traditionally with other companies in the past, have been to major place to go because of the lack of acceptance because of a lot of the pushback, right? And with Cynosure and Smartlipo, the plastic surgeons did not buy that at all. And they went to the noncore immediately. And if you go to the noncore, it's okay, but you have to have the proper training. And -- but that wasn't in place either, right? You buy a laser, you're trained. So our training program is probably the most robust training program out there. So when we approach a noncore, we have a hands-on training program. We have a physician guidance. We have InMode University of all these tools where the noncores can actually learn a lot and not have complications. And how do we say that? We could just say that, right? But the proof is in the pudding. Complication rates across the board for liposuction, for example, are about 1%. Energy-based devices are around 2%. And we're seeing that those numbers -- that's exactly where we are. We're less than 2%. And considering at this point that we do more than 100,000 procedures a year, that was the numbers almost 2 years ago, right? We should expect a high number of complications. And yet, are there complications out there? Of course. Are we perfect? We try to do whatever we can. But just because you have a machine does not mean that they'll teach you how to operate, right? So -- but I'm proud of the fact that we do our best, and no one devotes more training to this segment than us. And that makes them successful because when they don't have complications, when they got happy patients, then they buy more stuff from us, right? They buy another machine. And Moshe will tell you about the disposables because I think that's the proof of everything, right, Moshe? What's the number for the disposables?
Moshe Mizrahy
executiveYes. Well, from the second quarter of 2020 until the second quarter of 2021, we tripled the numbers of disposable that we're selling. Now these disposable are onetime use because they penetrate the skin. You cannot reuse them, either minimally invasive or ablative when you go even with the Morpheus today, you go 7-millimeter deep into the body, to the subdermal fat. So the numbers of disposable that we are selling that tell us that the doctors are using the system more and more. And this is on those platforms that need disposable because we have another portfolio of platforms, the hand-free and others that don't use disposable, but the feedback that we get from the doctor all over the world is that they are using them a lot as a complementary technology for minimally invasive or as a separate technology, not just in the United States, in the ROW by the way, ROW right now for us grow faster than the growth in the United States. We grew -- ROW today is 35% of our business, dollar-wise. System wise, it's more like 65% -- 60%, 40% because we do not recognize all the value of the system when we sell to distributors. So we are growing on disposable. We are growing on platforms, but we're growing faster on disposable. That means that the system are being used even faster than the original plan that we had.
Matthew Taylor
analystGreat. All good signs. Okay. So I did want to cover some questions about the market itself. So you all know during COVID, a lot of people focused on health, we saw kind of a mini boom for aesthetics. It seems like we're still seeing very strong demand. So I wanted you to comment on the underlying demand that you're still seeing. I think there had been some concern by people that once people start traveling and spending money on other things that, that might deflate the balloon, so to speak, but it doesn't seem that way. So can you comment on the trends in the aesthetic market? And maybe Spero can talk about his practice.
Moshe Mizrahy
executiveI will start and then Spero will continue. 2020 -- typically, the third quarter is the slowest quarter. The fourth quarter is the strongest quarter because during the summertime, people don't do aesthetic surgical or any elective surgical procedure. 2020 was not a typical year because of the COVID. The second quarter was very slow and the third quarter was very, very high. This year, in 2021, I can judge -- we can judge only by 1 month, July, because the third quarter just started. And I can tell you that we see similar effect that -- like we had in Q2 -- in 2020. We don't see a big growth in the third quarter, which was in the typical seasonality of the year. Do you want to add something Spero?
Spero Theodorou
executiveYes. I mean it's -- our practice in New York City, we're busy like we would be in the spring. And that hasn't stopped. And we thought it would stop, to be honest. I think what's driving that is people are still not traveling the way they used to. Considering the new variants and everything that's going on, they're staying home. And that's the majority of people. And -- so what are they doing? They're doing self-improvement and home improvement and all those things are still going. And all that income has to go somewhere. So that continues to drive it. But what's interesting is that 1/3 of patients coming in nowadays are new patients that would never consider anything. And I think that's what's driving a lot of this. While you sit around you know, you're like, well, I guess ever I was thinking about it. I could have died this year, I'm going to go ahead and do it, right? So it's not an impulse buy. But in a way, it is an impulse buy, right? It's a luxury product, but a lot of the luxury products where are you going to wear them, where are you going to go and show them off, where are you going to get together, you can't. But your face on Zoom is a huge deal. So that Zoom itself should be our partner because it's created a lot of volume for us because especially the way the cameras are, they're looking right under at you and everyone is just freaking out. So that drives a lot of the call it, Zoom-face, Zoom phenomenon, but all those things really help us. And what we've seen right now is that virtual consultations have increased. About in 2008, my partner and I were the first to use a platform at that time to use Face Time just to do consultations like virtually and see an inroad about it. We're all excited. But all the people doing it where people next door. They're still in their office, taking off their shirts in New York, right? They're too lazy to walk 2 blocks over. So what we found is now this has become mainstream. So out of, say, 10 consults per half a day or 20 consults coming in, it's almost at least 1/3, if not more, are virtual. So it's so easy. It's become so seamless. That's accelerated the process and the people that tend to do virtual consultations tend to be more motivated and are higher booking rate. But even the people that used to walk in and say, why? Because these are first-timers. So all those things have accelerated the volume out. Is this going to stop? We have no idea. It hasn't abated at all. And that's, I think, the influx of the new people coming in. And I'm pretty confident they'll continue at least for the next year.
Matthew Taylor
analystAnd you talked about, I guess, 30% or 1/3 of the patients are new. What did that used to be 5 years ago typically?
Spero Theodorou
executiveLook, your traditional plastic surgery practice anywhere between 10% and so 20% if you're super aggressive. But usually, it's patients who already had something done or know someone that has something done. That's how traditionally practices grow, unless you have technology. If you have technology, and when Smartlipo came out, it taught us a lot of things. The majority of the patients, 50% of your consults, 60% of your consults never had anything done because it was lipo and it was smart. It had a great name and it was technology. So everyone got excited about it. And then it slowly die down and everything went back to where it is again. With BodyTite and new technology, yes, that continues to be helping it. So if you have a combination of people staying at home, thinking they'll go, I almost die this year, who knows what happened and there are practices that have technology they can deliver it in the office in a minimally invasive fashion. Those are the 2 combinations that work. Because if you're sticking to your guns and doing hospital-based surgery for aesthetics, you're done because everyone and their mothers at this point knows what a ventilator is. No one wants to go to hospital before. There was a healthy fear of it. But nowadays, it's a paranoia. So that really helped us because they're like, okay, office space. And that's become run into our hands. So our practices have done great, and it's spilled over to general procedures as well, right? It's not just someone who comes in for FaceTite end up having a real tongue tug, for example. So like anything else, people look for the latest thing. And if you don't have it, they go somewhere else to find it, just like an iPhone. Everyone's got an iPhone. And the old-fashioned doctors say, "Well, why don't you use a BlackBerry, it looks great. And they blew in the face until you tell them, and then people is like you're crazy. I don't care if it's the same thing here. Everything you search online is a niche search. And that's where we are at.
Matthew Taylor
analystSo I wanted to ask about one other thing related to this that you brought up, that is concept of recurring revenue. So I don't think people necessarily think of a lot of your revenue is recurring. But it is, in some ways, right? Because you've mentioned people come in, they get one thing done. Then either they get touch-ups or they get something else done. So could you talk about that aspect of recurring revenue, recurring patients?
Spero Theodorou
executiveThat's an excellent question, Matt. So BOTOX is recurring revenue, right? Surgical specialties never really had it locked down like that. We looked at it when Smartlipo days back in the day, and we -- study of 1,000 patients. So the female body has 11 areas, right? And I know this sounds a little salesy, but has 11 areas you can bill for a procedure, right? And in Smartlipo, the average person was getting 3.8 areas done a year, which means they do love handles come in, do another area come in, and you're starting at $4,500 down to $3,500 on average. That's recurring revenue. So for surgeons, lipo under local anesthesia, with technology is -- would be an equivalent of a BOTOX recurring revenue coming in. We look at it with BodyTite, it's the same thing, anywhere between 3 to 4 procedures a year coming in for a little here and a little there, because it's no longer an operation, it's -- now it's a procedure. So that has really, really helped us. Now you look at Morpheus, look at all our minimally invasive stuff like microneedling, right off the bat, you have 3 treatments for that, right, a space to month apart. Then a year later, you'll have a maintenance. So what's changed is people are accustomed to it. They're used to it nowadays. The whole aesthetic market is set up for that. And in our case, yes, the recurring revenue and the synergy of these things whether it's noninvasive or minimal invasive talking to each other is what's given a really big advantage. Everything is set up for 3 treatments, but you still can't combat aging and you're going to age year after year, so you'll come in for something more. So that's the same thing for our stuff.
Matthew Taylor
analystGreat. Okay. Let's start transition and talk about another topic, it's somewhat related, but it's capital versus disposables. And so today, majority of your business is capital, although the disposable has been growing. I guess maybe just talk about that strategy that you have to make it really easy on the doctor. And then also where do you see the disposables going over time as a percentage of rate?
Moshe Mizrahy
executiveOkay. Today, it's about 90% platforms between capital equipment and 10% disposable. But this is only because our total installed base worldwide is about 10,000 systems out of which maybe 5,000 systems or 6,000 systems need disposable and the others without disposable. But the disposable numbers, we see always growing. Since we grow in platforms as well, then we don't see the ratio changing. But once we will have 30,000 installed base of surgical and ablative platforms, I believe disposable will be in the neighborhood of 20%, 25% versus 75% the platform itself. So it will become 75-25. And that will happen, I will say, sometime in 2025 or something like that. Now one thing I want to say, we're not a razor and razor blade company. We don't give the system for free in order to sell high price disposable. We decided that we want to sell the system and to sell disposable as well. By the way, the disposable prices are reasonable to the doctors because we want doctor hate to buy disposable for very high price even if you got the system for very low price. So we sell disposable in a very reasonable price to encourage the doctor to do more and more treatment. And the fact that we're selling and growing fast, the ratio is still 90-10. But I would say, once we get into the I would say, 25,000, 30,000 systems installed, which will happen in the next few years, then the ratio will be more 20-80, 75-25.
Matthew Taylor
analystGreat. And then on this part about recurring as well, you can also argue that the capital is quasi recurring. So I wanted to talk about that theme too, because if I'm a doctor and I buy a box, you both have opportunities to upgrade that box or over time, I want to get the latest and greatest so I want to turn mine in. So maybe talk about the quasi recurring nature of the capital and how you're able to manage that capital cycle?
Moshe Mizrahy
executiveOkay. Well, each one of our platforms has more than one modality. So doctor can use it not for one application or one indication. He can use it for several indications. Now once we come up with something which can fit on the platform that the doctor already bought, we came up with what we call an upgrade package, which is the hand piece that it can perform the new indication and a software plug. And that's something that -- plus training, that's something that we can buy from us in order to grow with the platforms. Now I think it's important also to mention here, Matt, is the mathematic, it's the math. Because when doctors buy in the United States system from us, he properly pay around $130,000. Usually, they buy it with a 5-year lease package, which is about $3,000 a month, okay? Now if it does only 5 treatment a month, he pay additional $2,000 for disposable. So altogether, $5,000. Today, they charge how much between $5,000 to $7,000 per treatment. So if 5 treatment, even $5,000 per treatment, that's $25,000. So he left over with $20,000. The payback on the system, it's 6, 7 months. In addition to that, as you said, if he buy an upgrade and now he can perform another indication, it will enable him to do more treatment per month. So from the return on investment point of view, the proposition that we bring to the doctor is very high ROI, return on investment. That's something that's important. He cannot get it with any other laser equipment or IPL equipment. So basically, the new technology that we have invented enable the doctor to have a very nice return on the investment.
Matthew Taylor
analystGreat. Fantastic. Okay. So I want to talk a little bit about some of the really exciting pipeline products that you have coming up. I know we're coming up on the Empower launch. It's something you've been working on for a long time. So maybe we could just a...
Moshe Mizrahy
executiveNext week.
Matthew Taylor
analystThere you go. Next week. Tell people what Empower is for some of those who don't know. How it's different than some of the other systems or approaches that have been around in the past and some of the early data that you're excited about.
Spero Theodorou
executiveSo Matt, as you know, just a little historical point here, back where the FDA clamped down on the whole market regarding the energy-based devices for vaginal rejuvenation, we did not flee and thank God for Moshe saying we're doubling down on the...
Moshe Mizrahy
executiveWhich was exactly 3 years ago.
Spero Theodorou
executiveExactly 3 years ago, actually, yes. And Moshe said, let's double down. This is not going away. And we doubled down the research and this is the outcome after those 3 years of what we looked at. We had our Votiva platform, which was great. And at that point, it was 25% of our sales, and then the whole market went south because people got scared as you know. So having that, we knew that Votiva did well was non-ablative never had a complication or a letter that came to us was for marketing reasons. So based on our Votiva, which we know that helped out with some mild SUI cases, certainly helped with that element and some of those other different things that we know, but we wanted to take a step further. So when we started looking at SUI seriously looking at it. And the first device that we came to is basically our Morpheus platform for microneedling. And now we have an intravaginal RF microneedling device, which is the first ever in the industry. And that's sort of a core -- the core of our platform that we've developed. And that took some time. I'm really excited about it because it does a couple of things. The studies have shown -- that are studies that we have done in our group of patients with a single -- with 1 to 3 treatments patients that are perimenopausal or premenopausal under a BMI of 30 are dry in 8 to 12 months. So completely dry. So that was very exciting. And that I can say with confidence, we can go into a doctor's office and say, you know that if you use on that group, you're going to do really good. Now the groups that are above a BMI of 35 or had multiple lot more babies and it's not that it doesn't work, but it might require more treatment. So at the end of the day, they're improving as well. But segmenting and diagnosing the problem in a segment of patients and basing everything off of that first is critical. Otherwise, you lose all. If you say you have a hammer and your hole was a nail, you lose all credibility in the medical space, right? So we've identified that category and we know we can push off confidently. Our KOLs have taken it, are doing very well. They're asking us for more tips, and it's all word of mouth. However, what we saw during this process is, as you know, only 50% of patients had pure SUI. And the majority have overactive bladder or mixed. So what we saw that the basic symptom of overactive bladder is urgency and frequency. If you have urgency and frequency chances are, you have overactive bladder. We saw that even though within our study group, some of the patients might re-leak a little bit or come back, but we saw that the symptoms of urgency and frequency are gone, and they're holding up for a year. And that is a huge deal because we're not saying we have the solution for OAB, but we're saying that the symptoms of OAB based on what we've seen so far are actually going away. And that sets up the foundation to push off into that market. And as you know, that's a $5 billion market. And you know there's not a really good solution out there. It's BOTOX, mesh. BOTOX only shows maybe a 50% improvement, right? Then you have the mesh, which is -- lot of in-gland and people are pulling out right and left, still using it, but not what it was before. Then you have the simulators, Medtronic and Axonics, right? So again, that's only 25% of patients who qualify for that, and that's an operation. So you're looking at all these things, you're like, where are you at? Now the good news is it's not just the Morpheus intravaginal radio frequency that we have, which is novel, right? It's also our EMS or vTone where we are using the vTone for pelvic floor rehabilitation. And we have an FDA indication for SUI. And that allows us to advertise and push our platform because of that indication, which is a real indication. So having that is a huge advantage as well for the doctors, gives us credibility that we've did all that effort to get that approval, right? So for that device, it's intravaginal, right? And here's the interesting part. Most of pelvic floor rehabilitation is done in the hospital, and that's insurance reimbursable, right? We can -- now can say with confidence to a doctor, yes, you'll pay for this machine. It will do all these things for you, but it will also do pelvic floor rehab. Now if you want to bill for it, you'll make a couple of hundred dollars off of it, right? It's not our ROI. You're not buying the machine because of that, but that is gravy and now you're pushing all the pelvic floor rehab, which every woman gets after pregnancy into the office. So here we have. We have our Votiva, which we know that 1 single treatment of Votiva, it helps you 80% strength, regaining strength within 4 weeks versus 10 weeks. So it accelerates the process after pregnancy. Second, we have the vaginal microneedling, intravaginal microneedling, SUI, OAB, we don't know, but we're very promising. Pelvic floor rehab Tone, right? And then we have the M8, the Morpheus that we use on the face. People will use that for external beautification of vulva, labia. So that we're used to -- that's also included on the device. And then going forward, right? We have our EMS for diastasis which we did a study. We know that 1/3 of women, they're diastasis, the muscles that open up during pregnancy don't close. So we did a study with 2 groups, a controlled group and a group which we treated, and we found that the ones that we treated statistically significant difference between the untreated group and 6 months. So they closed faster, we document this with ultrasound MRI. They closed faster and they get back to where they wanted before. So now you have a whole postpartum protocol that you can do pelvic floor rehab, you can take care of SUI. You can do Aviva, which we already had from before it's called as labiaplasty and you can increase the core strength of the women after pregnancy. All this together is unique. You have a Swiss Army Knife of unprecedented. There's nothing out there in the market and nothing that has that kind of variability. So it allows multiple revenue streams for the doctor. But most importantly, we have publications that are backing everything up. As you know, we have a reputation that InMode everyone will tell you. And if I had to say our mission statement, it says, "Oh, it works." Imagine what kind of industry we're in, where we have to actually say it works and everyone is surprised. So we backed that up with clinical studies and our publications have come out and we're ready to launch probably the best launch will ever -- or is organized will ever be. So we're excited about it. And we're excited because this is just the beginning of the women's health market. It's the beginning of actually giving a solution to all those women out there who up to now don't have a solution. You know the pharma and the anticholinergic pills are 50% compliance. People hate it. They don't take them. That's a huge market right there. And then again, all the anticholinergic data coming out with Alzheimer's and early dementia. So this whole thing, we made our name in plastic surgery with a word treatment gap, right? We found where we belonged and we would write down that gap and we provide a solution. Here, it's not a gap. It's more like a major highway, they're begging for a solution. So we're very excited about it. And as you can see, you know me a long time, Matt, you don't hear me be this excited usually. And there's a reason behind it. So being able to help.
Moshe Mizrahy
executiveJust to add on what Spero said, when the FDA published the letter in the middle of 2018, it was because of 2 reasons. Because he saw many adverse effect because of laser equipment, ablate the vaginal wall. And on the FDA side, there were several adverse effects that they didn't like. And second, because the laser company used to say vaginal rejuvenation. And the FDA doesn't like the word rejuvenation. You cannot use rejuvenation on facial rejuvenation, body rejuvenation. There is no such indication. The only company that the FDA allow us to continue to sell, it was the Votiva because the RF was not ablative and it was a continuous to contract the vaginal wall. So he allow us to continue to sell the Votiva and we continue to sell the Votiva about 50 platforms per quarter. But the vacuum that the FDA created when he went public with this letter, by the way, he sent the letter to the press before he send that to the companies created a huge problem for this. And for 3 years, it was the big vacuum on the market. Now this time, when we started the process or we started the development, we understood that we have to have clearances from the FDA. So nobody can come back to us and say, this is not cleared for that. For them, power right now with the 4 modalities, we have clearance for treatment of SUI, pelvic floor restoration, blood circulation, pain relief and some others. And of course, the more studies and calculation on the labiaplasty with there today. So we covered ourselves from the platform's point of view. We covered ourselves from the regulation point of view. And we're ready to grow and the product will be launched next Tuesday on the 15 in Miami during our sales meeting. And we believe that the potential is huge and we wanted to be a gold standard like we did in the plastic surgery to be as well with these platforms as a gold standard in the gyno wellness and medical market.
Spero Theodorou
executiveI think, Matt, just to add, there have been companies that have been in this space before us. But again, just like in plastic surgery, they've been unipolar. We're bipolar. And we did -- one of our studies we released compared to that exact even with Votiva, retrospective study showed there's a surgical difference in the efficacy between bipolar and unipolar in this world. So you look at the Viveves and the Thermis and all that, that's unipolar technology. So again, we're just making our mark just like that in plastic surgery, like Moshe said, but that distinction is important because that doesn't leave any competition on the floor with us currently.
Matthew Taylor
analystSo this is a very exciting suite of -- Swiss Army Knife suite of products. It seems like medically the SUI, OAB results may be some of the most significant. And I just wanted to ask, have you thought more about doing medical indications, doing studies to get claims. And Spero, you mentioned that people can bill for pelvic floor. So just explain how that works?
Spero Theodorou
executiveWell, so physical -- so after pregnancy, pelvic floor rehabilitation usually goes to the rehab hospital -- the rehab unit in the hospital. So they have a unit basically. And what's up to now, what's really available is you do kegels and there's a biofeedback mechanism, where they teach you how to do kegels and get to where you need to. And if you look at kegels, it's really hard to do. And it's not -- but that's part of your process. It's a 10-week process and the hospital is able to build through their rehab division for this. Now those codes, though, because of the FDA indication we have, we can build right off the bat for those codes in the office. It's not an issue at all. So that makes a big difference in how we position the technology. Now if the doctors can take advantage or not, if they already set up to be building nonstop and you have that place in process, yes, it makes sense. $200, $300 one of these codes depending on how complex or how much time you spend. Lot of these codes are time dependent and all that. So I'm not an expert in gynecology, but the average revenue from that is around $200. Now we're not going to go in and sell a machine and say, "Hey, you can pay this off of $200 because then guess what? We're in the laser world." Where it's $200 for laser hair removal over 3x. But it's a nice little cherry on the cake because it gives us validity, it gives us credibility, and it says, yes, why not? If I'm set up for it, sure. To answer your question, we're looking at going after indications and we're looking at going these things, and that's something that Moshe and I and Mishka and Kreindel, and the team here because that's a long-term plan. I think, considering the clinical foundation, this is still early of what we have that I think that would be a very, very promising way for us to move, but that's something we have to decide as a team to figure out. But there's no reason why we couldn't do it if we don't want to.
Matthew Taylor
analystOkay. Great. So with the time we hope want to make sure we also cover ophthalmology. So another exciting platform that you have launching maybe later this year. So maybe we could talk about the foundations of that technology, the different aspects of that Swiss Army Knife and the prospects of getting into another new market with the ophthalmologists.
Spero Theodorou
executiveSo Moshe, you want to? So again, the group that we started off with developing all our aesthetic devices for the eyes of the ocular plastic surgeons. The ocular plastic surgery is a small group but they are the gatekeepers of a lot of these technologies that ophthalmologists who have also done plastic surgery, so it's a natural progression. Since we started launching AccuTite and Morpheus around the eyes, ophthalmologists are coming on board. And we started training ophthalmologists how to do these small procedures in the office, right? However, when it comes to the next step, which is your dry eye. We know that what's out there so far has -- works okay, but it's not great. And we know them having the ability to go deeper with RF and unclogging those meibomian glands that are responsible for dry eye for getting blocked up. We knew that if we went deep enough, we'd actually make a significant impact on that. How do we know that? Well, just like anything else, you fudged around with our former devices, which are big devices for the body. And we had doctors in Canada and Mishka, of course, playing around with it. And we saw that it was improving patients who were asking for it. This is way stronger than IPL because IPL was the only thing out there that quasi help things, right? And of course, Johnson & Johnson's product. So if we looked at all that, and we -- and Mishka developed a handpiece specifically for that. And the studies have -- our studies have shown the quantitative results are impressive, and the patients are actually responding quite well and asking for it again. Do we have ways to go? Yes, only because a lot of this stuff we've done our pilots, right? We're very cautious in how we work things. We don't jump and head forward. I'd like to jump and head forward, but Mishka holds me back. So somewhere between the 2, we figure out a solution. And we're very confident that this is actually working quite well. Now to sort of bring validity to thing, we need a bigger group and that's what we're working on right now, and we're working with some universities as well. So that's been sort of the delay. Because we don't want to release products, as you know by now, that unless we have some real backup, some real good KOLs and some publications to back off because the sales force needs that. We don't want the sales force going in there and trying to sell things based on something that they cannot get the support from. So our goal is to support them and to bring validity. So we're careful that we're cautiously optimistic, but the market for dry eye and the biggest segment are optometrist. And that's a market that no one's really touched and that's what we're going after because optometrists can easily do this in the office -- in their offices. Will they spend that kind of money, well, chances are, maybe they haven't spent it before, but that hasn't held us back with the sales force that we have and the people that we have. We're pretty confident we can capture a large segment of that market as well. So ocular plastics, ophthalmologists, optometrists, that is sort of the pyramid. And -- but again, we get the credibility up here, and then we move lower as we go and the pyramid increases. Does that answer your question, more or less?
Matthew Taylor
analystYes, yes, as much as...
Moshe Mizrahy
executiveYou told me when we last talked, I think 1.5 weeks ago, you told me about the company that called Sight Sciences that came up with another device for dry eye. Basically, the technology that they are using is some hot plates that they put below and upper. But when you put hot plate, you don't go deep enough because you hit the epidermis and maybe a little bit of a dermis. In order -- actually in order to clean the blockage in the gland and to let and to solve the dry eye issue you need to go about 2.5, 3 millimeters deep. Now what is the advantage of using bipolar RF? We know how to design the hand piece with the distance between the electrode so the heat will go exactly 2.5 to 3-millimeter deep, exactly to those blockage of the gland. And that's the beauty of bipolar RF because in a bipolar RF, we have 2 poles, 2 electrodes. We can control the temperature on each one of them. And we know how much -- exactly how much energy we apply between the 2 electrodes. And that's the technology that we're doing. And that's -- this is the reason why we believe the solution of bipolar RF for dry eye is better. By the way, 3 weeks ago, we got the FDA approval for that.
Matthew Taylor
analystAll right. Fantastic. We only have a couple of minutes left. I did want to ask one about margins is if there's something that's maybe more impressive than the growth that you're showing it's your margin. So maybe just talk about why you have such high gross margins and then some of the philosophy that you have around sustaining that plus being frugal and dropping a lot of that nice gross margin through to the bottom line.
Spero Theodorou
executiveMoshe is staying at the Courtyard, Marriott, Matt. It's a beautiful hotel that this is about it.
Moshe Mizrahy
executiveWell, for us, 85% gross margin net, it's a must. It's not nice to have. And the reason I said that is because I will not approve any development of a new system, a new platform, a new indication, a new hand piece unless on the drawing board, we will measure the 85% gross margin. Because gross margin -- how gross margin is determined? First, the price. The price of the system, okay? We have very strong IP protected. We have very good economics as far as the doctor return on investment. We can charge higher than anybody else in the industry. So this is one factor. Second, we know how to manufacture, we know how to design all the way from the component to the service cost to make sure that we will be able to exercise, we're able to maintain 85% gross margin. Now during the years, of course, component cost and subassembly costs, especially now during the COVID time are going higher and higher. And we need to make sure that we will maintain the 85% gross margin. But once we get bigger, and this year, we had more than $300 million company, we have more purchasing power. We have better negotiation power to buy component and to buy subassembly. I can tell you on every component that we're using and we're manufacturing in Israel, we have at least 2, 3 suppliers, and we always negotiate with all of them in order to maintain even in a tough time like we have today when logistic cost is going high and the shipping cost is going high and there was a shortage of component, quarter after quarter, we are maintaining between 84% to 86% gross margin because -- unless we have that kind of number, we will not have enough money to invest in R&D and come up with 2 platforms every year. We will not have enough money to invest on marketing and sales, and we invest much more than anybody else in this industry. And we will not be able to exercise the net profit that we want to show to the market. And this is, for us, it's the philosophy, it's the DNA of the company.
Matthew Taylor
analystSo we're about out of time. I do have one audience question. I was hoping to sneak in. It's about SUI. So maybe it's for Spero. The question is around bulking agents. So Bulkamid has efficacy and durability for a few years. Would people that get your treatment for SUI, would they need multiple treatments? And how long does it take versus a bulking agent is 10 or 15 minutes for the procedure.
Spero Theodorou
executiveThat's a great question. So Bulkamid study in England, I believe, showed some long-term results of 65% improvement in 5 years. And now they have entered the U.S. market, and everyone is quite excited about it. But just like BOTOX, it requires and then the endo suite, right, the cameras, the whole setup endoscopic suite, it requires time to do it. The doctor has to do it, right? So you cannot outsource it to the nurse practitioner to do, for example, or an extender. For all those elements, and it's temporary. And it takes part structurally, it only addresses 1 part, 1 part of SUI. And 50% of pure SUI, it's only 50% of pure SUI. That's your market. And I'm not obviously a urologist, but that's based on what I've talked with our doctors about. So all those elements, just like BOTOX, where you have to sort of set up a whole suite, endoscopic suite, you have to do it. The vial cost $600. You have to put the whole vial in and you come to 3 to 6 months to redo it. All those elements are not something that doctors show enthusiastic about. Our treatment, doctor can do it, but the nurse practitioner can do it and the nurse practitioners do do it. So that's a big, big deal. And it requires 15 minutes of the actual procedure. So you're looking at about 30 minutes whole room set up, you can move quite quickly. It's very tolerable to do, and it's actually quite safe. And for those elements and the data shows so far that we have -- we're not at 60% or 50%. We're talking about, yes, granted, we have a small group. It's only about almost a little over 100 patients, but our success rate in the categories that we're picking and how we pick these patients, which is critical, by the way, and very important, just like in plastic surgery. If we don't have a success rate of over 90% in anything that we do, we don't go to market with it. And you know why? Moshe doesn't let us go to market with it. Mishka doesn't let us go to market. Alon doesn't let us go to market. So all of us together, we're like unless we can have that success rate, we can't sell it. Because when the cash-based world, it's a tough world, right? Patients are paying out of pocket. So it takes no prisoners. Eventually, it comes out if it doesn't work and people get frustrated. So for all those elements, we're confident that our current treatment has -- and I'm always cautious because you have to be scientific about these things. But we wouldn't go to market if we didn't have a success rate of well over 90%. And so far, we have that. And contrasting to all the other things out there, including Bulkamid. Could you use it as an adjunct perhaps, of course. But why would you?
Matthew Taylor
analystAll right. Well, I think we should end there, but thanks so much for your time, guys. Thanks for your interest.
Spero Theodorou
executiveThank you very much.
Moshe Mizrahy
executiveThank you, Matt.
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