Isgec Heavy Engineering Limited (533033) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to Isgec Heavy Engineering Limited Q2 FY '26 Earnings Conference Call hosted by ICICI Securities Limited. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Abhinav Nalawade from ICICI Securities Limited. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Yes. Good evening. On behalf of ICICI Securities, I would like to welcome you all to the Q2 FY '26 Earnings Conference of Isgec Heavy Engineering Limited. From the management today, we have with us Mr. Aditya Puri, Managing Director; Mr. Kishore Chatnani, Whole-Time Director and CFO; Mr. Sanjay Gulati, Whole-Time Director and Head of Manufacturing Units. Without further delay, I will hand over the call to management for the brief opening remarks, which will be followed by Q&A. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our earnings call today. I hope this message finds you and your loved ones well and safe. We look forward to engaging in a constructive discussion with you. Our quarterly financial results were published yesterday. We've uploaded our presentation on BSE, NSE and our website, www.isgec.com. For regular updates about the company, please visit our website, and you may also follow us on social media platforms like Instagram, LinkedIn and Facebook. Quarterly financials. The total income for the quarter ended September 2025 increased by 3% to INR 1,293 crores. The stand-alone profit before tax for the quarter ended September 2025 increased by 2% to INR 111 crores. The consolidated total income for the quarter ended September 2025 increased by 3% to INR 1,725 crores. The increase in revenue was mainly due to increase in Isgec's stand-alone revenue and increase in revenue of Saraswati Sugar Mills Ltd. The consolidated profit before tax for the quarter ended September 2025 from continuing operations increased by 16% to INR 136 crores compared to INR 1,667 crores for the quarter ending September 2024. The improvement in the consolidated profit for the continuing operations is largely due to better profits in Isgec Hitachi Zosen Limited. As you know, our wholly owned subsidiary company, Isgec Investments PTE Limited, Singapore, had entered into a transaction for sale of its wholly owned subsidiary, Bioeq Energy Holdings One, Cayman Islands, along with its subsidiary companies and associated company, including Cavite Biofuel Producers Inc. in Philippines. The sale transaction, however, could not be completed as the buyer failed to make the required payments. We presently continue to work to sell these subsidiary companies along with the assets. The financial results of the subsidiary companies of Isgec Investment PTE Limited are classified as discontinued operations and the related assets are classified as held for sale. The consolidated profit after tax for the quarter ended September 30, 2025, including the discontinued operations is INR 56 crores against INR 96 crores for the quarter ended September 2024. The lower profit is mainly due to the loss in the discontinued operations. Order booking. The stand-alone orders booked during September 2025 quarter are INR 1,208 crores compared to INR 831 crores in the quarter ended September 2024. The orders in hand as on 30th September 2025 are substantially higher at INR 7,754 crores compared to INR 6,160 crores as on 30th September 2024. This includes export orders in hand of INR 1,644 crores. The order book remains comfortable. The consolidated orders booked during September 2025 quarter are INR 1,461 crores against INR 889 crores in the quarter ended September 2024. The orders in hand as on 30th September 2025 on a consolidated basis are INR 8,789 crores against INR 7,066 crores as on 30th September 2024. The orders in hand position is strong. The order book is well diversified across various sectors and customers. Market demand. The overall demand trends continue to be encouraging, and the inquiry position continues to be robust. Export inquiries have also picked up. Capacity expansion. Expansion of manufacturing capacity for many of our product lines is in progress. As informed earlier, a new manufacturing facility is being set up at Bhatauli, which is about 25 kilometers from our existing facility at Yamunanagar. Presently, the shops being set up at Bhatauli are for expanding manufacturing capacity in the Machine Building division. This is expected to be completed by July 2026. And when completed, we expect an additional annual revenue of INR 225 crores. We have identified skids and modules, which are presently being manufactured at our boiler tubing and piping facility at Ratangarh as a potential high-growth area. Our Board has yesterday approved an investment of INR 87 crores in setting up a new facility for manufacturing of skids and modules at our existing land within the plot at SEZ in Dahej. The investment will be done in 2 phases, involving investment of INR 65 crores in the first phase and INR 22 crores in the second phase. The expansion when completed is expected to give an annual revenue of INR 160 crores once the first phase is completed, which will increase to INR 275 crores when the second phase is completed. We are also making further expansion plans for all the manufactured products and are in the process of finalizing further investments required, and we will be informing you about these in due course. Borrowings. On a stand-alone basis, we closed the September 2025 quarter with a total borrowing of INR 590 crores and net borrowings after deducting investments and funds in banks of INR 429 crores compared to a net borrowing of INR 96 crores as on 31st March 2025. The higher borrowings are mainly due to INR 462 crores borrowed as ECB loan for on lending to our wholly owned subsidiary company, Isgec Investments PTE Limited, Singapore, who has in turn lend it to a subsidiary company, Cavite Biofuel Producers Inc. Philippines, enabling it to repay all its lenders. Consequently, Cavite Biofuel Producers Inc. has no bank borrowings. On a consolidated basis, the net external borrowing is INR 656 crores as on 30th September 2025 compared to INR 836 crores as on 31st March 2025. The consolidated net external borrowings have reduced by about INR 180 crores over the last 6 months. Cavite Biofuel Producers Inc. CBPI Philippines. As mentioned earlier, we continue to look for buyers for sale of the plant. Meanwhile, the plant will start manufacturing operations for the season on sugarcane feedstock when sugarcane season starts there in the middle of December 2025. My colleagues and I will be happy to answer any questions. Thank you.

[Operator Instructions] We have our first question from the line of Palash Jain from ICICI Securities.

Firstly, congratulations on a great set of numbers, sir. The question I'd like to ask is regarding your guidance for the year FY '26, if any, for FY '27 regarding CapEx as well as your margins and revenue?

Yes. So you've seen the half year past. And for the full year, we do expect an increase in revenue and profits in the range of about 7% to 8%. The order book has gone up, if you've noticed, Mr. Puri mentioned in his remarks that the order book has gone up. You have also heard that we are making investments in the manufacturing facilities for multiple product lines. A new facility is being set up at Bhatauli near Yamunanagar. That will help increase the manufacturing revenue once it comes into operation from July 2026. The Board has -- as you mentioned, the Board has approved another investment yesterday, which is for skids and modules. So that factory will come up at our existing location in Dahej in the SEZ area, and that's meant largely for servicing export customers. So that will also help in terms of revenue increase. Both of these will obviously come into play in the next financial year. The order book that we have increased now, particularly for the project business, so this order book will be executed over a period of time. And you can see a substantial increase in revenue -- a significant, I won't say substantial, it is a significant increase in revenue in the next financial year.

Okay. That helps. So -- but can I get a broad range of the quantum of CapEx, like just a broad number.

The CapEx that is happening in the next -- so is about INR 230 crores. That is now already under implementation.

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Amber Singhania from Nippon India Mutual Fund.

Just a couple of things from my side. First is the current order book is pretty healthy at INR 8,800-odd crores. What is the execution time line in this? Secondly is if you can just give some breakup, how much is the legacy projects in this which were containing pretty low margin and which was related to FGD and others?

Right. So the order book at INR 8,000 crores, whatever number, that is the consolidated order book. And let me repeat the number for you.

INR 8,789 crores.

Yes. So the consolidated order book is INR 8,789 crores. Now obviously, that order book is divided between the engineering companies. As you know, there is no order book for the sugar company. Sugar company producing itself and so also the ethanol. So now as far as -- I'll try and give you a sense of what is the time line for executing orders. You know that orders vary in execution time line between, let's say, the shortest time frame is about 3 months. There are, of course, some orders that we also execute in, let's say, a month, some particular kind of castings. But typically 3 months and the manufactured items can go as far as 12 months for process plant equipment or presses. And for the projects business, you start with the typical sugar plant or a distillery, which is executed over 14 months, whereas a boiler is executed over 20, 21 months. And in some cases, the boiler -- if there is a number of boilers at one location, it can go up to something like 27 months or so. So there is -- for different products, there is a different time line. Isgec Hitachi Zosen, which has about INR 937 crores of orders out of this INR 8,789 crores. So it has about -- INR 900 crore orders are for Isgec Hitachi Zosen. So their typical execution time is 12 to 15 months, 12 to 18 months sometimes for particularly complex equipment that they make. But I guess you are trying to understand how the revenue is going to play out. I think I've already answered that about the revenue that firstly, for the current year, I've already given a guidance. For the next year, order book is increasing. The manufacturing capacity is increasing. So we are expecting a good growth in revenue and profitability for the next year.

Got it. Sir, in terms of the current order book, if you can just give color about how much is the legacy order pending and by when we are expecting to get completed?

So legacy orders, you're probably referring to the FGD orders and those kind of things. So we do expect that they will all be completed within June 2026.

June 2026. And how much is the quantum, sir, which is pending execution?

Close to -- I don't have the figure readily, but it is between INR 300 crores to INR 400 crores.

INR 300 crores to INR 400 crores. Fine. And also, sir, if you can give some color about how much is the pending receivables or working capital is stuck in these legacy products -- projects as well as the earlier executed FGD product -- projects on the retention money side?

So the money is coming out as milestones get achieved. I don't want to be answering specific particular customer order-wise, but I do expect the -- what we classify as milestone-based retention payments. We do expect for this particular FGD orders, about INR 400 crores to come out by, let's say, largely within the current year, but maybe INR 40 crores, INR 50 crores will spill into the next financial year. So about INR 400 crores should come out of these.

Got it. Secondly, this Philippine part, which you mentioned that currently, we are still looking out for the new buyer and we have kept this asset as held for sale. So how one should read this in the overall context of things in terms of -- I believe that plant is operational. So will that get accounted in our numbers? Or will that be kept separately? Also, any color you can share on where are we in terms of new potential buyer lookout? Any rough cut guidelines or time line you can suggest on the same?

So the plant is operational, as you said. The season for sugarcane there typically starts in the middle of December and runs till early April, end of March, early April. So the plant will be running on sugarcane as well as molasses, mix of -- our plant is capable of running on both the feedstocks together. So it will be running on that. And after the sugarcane season ends, it will be running on molasses feedstock. How the accounting will be done, obviously, there are accounting standards, which specify how assets and operations, which are held for sale, they need to be accounted. You have to be disclosing separate line items for that. So that's how the accounting will be done. We continue to have -- we have continued to make efforts to arrive at a sale if possible. Of course, we are preparing to run the thing, run the assets and the plant professionally and with full due diligence. And we believe that will also help prospective buyers to see the plant producing the results that we are guaranteeing. But the sale effort is on. We are engaged with a few parties. Obviously, we can't talk about specific names or the discussions or even the time line. So there are some parties who are doing some amount of due diligence on the potential transaction.

I understand, sir. Just wanted to understand in the status quo situation, do we need to account for any losses in the current books towards these operations? And if yes, how much that could be on a quarterly basis?

So that loss is being accounted, as you may have seen in the results. Particularly in our consolidated results, there is a line on discontinued operations. There is a separate breakup for discontinued operations that whatever loss is there's already being accounted. So today, the costs are the running costs or maintaining the salaries, the insurance, the plant maintenance, et cetera, which is roughly about INR 10 crores, INR 11 crores a quarter. There is interest cost. Now that interest is largely to Isgec. And there is foreign exchange fluctuation. So those are the 3 items. The plant, obviously, this quarter's results will show -- next quarter's results -- next quarter January to March will start showing revenue and normal operation. But it will continue to be shown separately in a line item called discontinued operations.

Got it. Secondly, sir, order book-wise, we already have a decent order right now and so was there in the last quarter as well. So just wanted to understand what was the factors which was leading to maybe a slightly muted revenue growth in last quarter as well as last year because I believe the legacy order is also not too much on the books as of now. So is there any concern on the current order book or current clients you are seeing which are going -- moving slow or which is not somehow getting converted into the high execution?

So there are no orders where we have any concerns about the orders. I mean there is nothing which is on hold. In the manufactured items, we do have certain clients and some equipment that are ready for dispatch worth about maybe INR 80 crores or INR 90 crores, which the customer is not able to lift because the site is not ready. So obviously, when we account for those sales, it's only when they are dispatched to the customer, that is the time you can accrue the revenue and the profits. But we have persuaded the customers to pay us 95% of the money, and we are actually holding those goods where the customer is paying us the storage charges as well. But obviously, that INR 80 crores, INR 90 crores is not appearing in revenues. In terms of the project business, we have -- as you can see, order booking, I think the execution is in line with what we were expecting based on the progress for each of the orders. And as I've already said that the revenue next year is going to be good. It's going to improve a bit.

Got it. Also, sir, in terms of order pipeline or order outlook, inflow outlook, if you can give some color about which sectors are looking very promising, which geographies are looking promising for us, for [ moving ] business towards us as such, and how do we see the sustainability of that same?

So basically, we are seeing a growth in all our product lines, except for air pollution control equipment because the recent government guidelines have curtailed the demand for FGDs very significantly. But otherwise, we are seeing a healthy pipeline across most industries. We expect that sugar may be a little muted now because sugar is -- as you know, the sugar is probably in a little bit of a downturn right now. But otherwise, we are getting orders from metals, including steel, oil and gas, automobiles, cement, the core infrastructure sectors are healthy. And because we supply to a diverse group of industries and sectors, we are pretty well insulated. But yes, air pollution control is one area where the order book is a bit muted. We have other technologies in air pollution control equipment, and we are looking at some other things to do over there, and we will inform you as and when it matures.

Got it. And sir, the current capacity which we have, along with the new CapEx we are doing, all put together, what kind of revenue we can sustain with this kind of gross block along with the new CapEx which has been planned? And by when we can see that capacity getting utilized fully?

So the expansions that we have announced and which I just spoke about, they should be completed by -- in another 12 months, all the expansion that I've spoken about. And we have said that those expansions are in the manufacturing area, and we are talking potentially of about INR 400 crores increase in revenue from manufacturing because of that, a little more than that, that's after second...

Actually, a little more than that. So if you notice from our consolidated results, our manufacturing revenue for the past year, 31st March '25 year end is about INR 2,500 crores. So I would expect that once all these expansions and the capacity is done, so we should be reaching close to INR 3,200 crores, INR 3,300 crores a year. And there are others that we are also evaluating.

Sir, any impact of the ongoing tariff issue with the U.S.? How big is the U.S. for us? And is there any slowdown or cancellation of any order or book or margins impact because of this ongoing tariff issue?

Not as yet. Not as yet. If these tariffs have a general impact on the Indian economy, it might impact us. But as of now, we have no significant exposure to the U.S.

Okay. And any thoughts -- apart from the CapEx, any thoughts on the inorganic growth or inorganic route to fill any gap in terms of geography or clientele or segment, anything as such which is there in the mind?

We are always evaluating. And if something comes to mind, we'll get back to you. Something fructify, we'll get back to you.

Okay. And sir, in terms of product basket as well as our presence, do you think there is any gap in terms of be it geography or be it clientele or be it sectors, which you will be happy to fill in whenever the opportunity comes in?

There are certainly gaps there are. We are evaluating, but I don't think we can disclose them...

Until something is...

Until something is concrete.

Our next question comes from the line of Dikshit Mittal from LIC Mutual Fund.

Sir, can you give a breakup of the order book in terms of EPC as well as the manufacturing?

Yes, we can give that to you. Give me a second. So we are looking at a consolidated order book of INR 8,789 crores, right? So in that, the projects business is INR 6,004 crores and manufacturing is INR 2,785 crores.

Okay. Okay. And sir, like in the project business, still we are making low single-digit kind of margins, 4%, 5%. So in the past, we have aspired that we'll be at least hitting high single digits. So can we expect that whatever order book that we have currently, the margin profile will be better than what we are reporting today?

It will be better. That's something we are -- I mean, we have -- when we budget, when we bid for orders, we are trying to build in certainly a higher margin profile. And as we have been saying earlier that we are no longer taking orders with any significant amount of site work. We obviously have to erect the equipment that we supply. We are not taking any significant amount of civil construction or anything, and we are not taking orders which are really long duration. So we're restricting to something like 27 months or so at max, sometimes 30 months. So the impact is going -- if you look at our past few years, the profitability has been improving, even though the revenue has improved only a bit, but the profitability has improved substantially. So I was looking at 4, 5 years data, and what I remember is that profitability has certainly improved.