Jefferson Capital, Inc. (JCAP) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

November 12, 2026

NASDAQ US Financials Consumer Finance earnings 49 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

David Burton

executive
#1

Thank you, Operator, and I appreciate everyone being on our investor call today. Let's jump into the highlights of our financial performance for the third quarter. We produced yet another quarter of outstanding results for shareholders. Our company achieved robust growth in collections, which rose 35% year-over-year to $319 million, and we keep performing favorably relative to our underwriting expectations. The market backdrop is still attractive, and our deployments reached a third quarter record of $318 million, an increase of 111% versus the prior year period. That growth was broad-based throughout our geographic footprint, and within the U.S., it gained from the expanding opportunity in auto finance. Our projected remaining collections rose 23%, reaching $3.6 billion, driven by our sustained deployment results and appealing expected returns. We recorded a Cash Efficiency Ratio of 72.9%, which leads the sector, partly because of robust collections from our performing portfolio purchases. The company also generated solid cash flow in the quarter, producing a leverage ratio of 1.73x — a level that sets us up well for future growth and gives us considerable strategic optionality. Adjusted EPS for the quarter was $0.83. I'm happy to report that following the quarter's end, we closed our acquisition of Phin Solutions, a top provider of bankruptcy data services and technology solutions. Founded in 2000, Phin is a Minnesota-based firm built around a proprietary database with U.S. We now have bankruptcy data going back to 1995, spanning consumer and business filings in every bankruptcy chapter. Financially, this deal isn't material, yet it brings several strategic advantages to our U.S. operations. Chief among them, it bolsters our capacity to give originators a fuller bankruptcy recovery solution, merging Phin's distinctive bankruptcy information and technology strengths with Jefferson Capital's servicing know-how and debt purchasing capabilities. Next, I want to offer a quick market update and walk through a few macroeconomic indicators, so you have better context on why our confidence in the investment opportunity for our business remains strong. The fundamental backdrop has not changed. Consumer credit balances are close to an all-time high, and charge-offs along with delinquencies are elevated in every asset class—together these conditions give us a long runway of strong portfolio supply. A low unemployment rate also underlies the environment, propping up the liquidation rates we expect from the portfolio we already hold and making us confident as we underwrite new purchases. Let me turn to auto finance, an asset class offering a meaningful opportunity for our business. It is a big and expanding piece of consumer credit, yet it is also highly fragmented and facing considerable headwinds. Auto finance receivables have climbed consistently, reaching a record $1.71 trillion. Larger loan sizes for new and used cars alike have risen because vehicle prices are up, and also because borrowers often need to carry over negative equity from prior loans—almost one in three used-car trade-ins involves negative equity. Consequently, monthly loan payments, pushed up further by high interest rates, have increased substantially and put strain on household finances. At present, the standard monthly payment for a new vehicle loan is $765, a figure 38% above its pre-pandemic level. When it comes to used vehicles, the average monthly loan payment has risen to $542, which likewise represents a 38% increase since the pandemic. In addition, loans with terms of 72 months or more account for nearly one-third of all financed new vehicle sales. When it comes to smaller auto finance originators or dealership networks, weakening credit quality often comes hand in hand with financing difficulties, and in those cases selling a portfolio may become the best way to maximize value for the business going forward. All these trends are setting the stage for growing portfolio supply in an asset class where considerable complexity keeps the pool of interested buyers limited. We are uniquely positioned to provide solutions spanning performing, charged-off, and insolvency auto finance portfolios, covering both secured and unsecured accounts, and to take advantage of this expanding opportunity. Turning now to a closer look at some key performance trends for the quarter. Collections reached $319 million, which is 35% higher than a year earlier, driven by robust deployments during 2024, 2025, and 2026. Within that quarterly collections number, $32 million came from the Bluestem portfolio acquisition. Beyond that, results across the full portfolio keep showing how precise our underwriting models are; we posted record third-quarter purchases of $318 million, a 111% year-over-year rise. Returns stay appealing, and our confidence in the deployment environment remains intact. Deployment growth was widespread geographically, with the United States rising 123%, the United Kingdom rising 127%, and Latin America rising 312%. U.S. growth benefited from a widening opportunity in auto finance, including distressed, insolvency, and performing portfolios. Auto finance is now the third asset class segment in our performing portfolio purchasing capability, after credit cards with Bluestem and installment loans with Conn's. As we previously reported, Jefferson Capital moved into the debt purchasing market in Mexico after a thorough evaluation, and in August we completed a second purchase there. In line with how we have approached new geographies in the past, we commit a comparatively small amount of capital at the outset while we develop our servicing capabilities and confirm our forecast model; we see Mexico as a sizable market that provides appealing U.S. dollar risk-adjusted returns and constitutes one more growth pillar for our Latin American strategy. Beyond that, several meaningful competitive edges underpin this expansion — among them worldwide ties with major sellers, stronger modeling and servicer management skills, and a cost of capital that is far lower than what local players face. We look forward to sharing more about how this is going in upcoming quarters as we build familiarity with the market. By September 30th, $384 million in deployments were secured via forward flows, a key component of how we plan to deploy capital over the next few quarters. Moving to estimated remaining collections, the figure reached $3.6 billion on September 30th, a 23% increase from a year earlier, and ERC tied to Bluestem accounted for $186 million within our U.S. distressed business. Our ERC runs for a relatively brief period, in part since average account balances throughout our portfolio are smaller, and we anticipate 40% will be collected through 2027. From the ERC as of September 30th, we expect to collect $1.1 billion over the coming 12 months. Based on the average purchase price multiples booked in the third quarter, to replace that runoff and hold ERC at present levels, we would need to deploy approximately $642 million worldwide during that same stretch. I'd note that as of September 30th, forward flows had already contracted $267.5 million of deployments for the next 12 months. To wrap up, I want to spend a bit more time on another key element of how we make money and an essential piece underpinning the distinctive return profile we have — specifically, our top-tier operating efficiency. Our goal is to hold onto the high-value portions of the purchasing and collection process — things like portfolio and consumer payment performance data, wide-ranging analytical and modeling skills, certain proprietary tech capabilities, and the collection process and techniques that we think provide the company a competitive edge and a meaningful barrier to entry. Conversely, we contract out those portions of the collections value chain we view as commoditized or operationally heavy and that don't produce a competitive advantage, such as operating large domestic call centers. To match portfolio segments with the strongest servicers, we rely on champion-challenger performance comparisons, and our in-house collection platform vies for market share against outside collection service providers. Finally, since most of our cost structure is variable, we can adjust deployment scale as market conditions shift. Our efficiency metrics relative to the rest of the sector reflect the gains from our unceasing drive for operating efficiency. As noted earlier, the Cash Efficiency Ratio came in at 72.9% for the quarter. Collections on the performing portfolios contributed to that result, since a substantial share of paying accounts makes those portfolios cheaper to collect. If you set aside collections and costs from the performing portfolio, the Cash Efficiency Ratio comes in at 68%, a figure that also stands well above what other publicly traded firms in this industry report. That top-tier operating efficiency gives us a real edge in the market, and paired with the solid returns our distinctive investment approach generates, it underpins dependable and appealing payouts to shareholders. On that note, I'll pass the call to Christo, who will walk through our financial results in greater detail.

Christo Realov

executive
#2

Thank you, David. If we dig into the third quarter numbers a bit more, revenue came in at $186 million, which is a 23% increase year-over-year, and that was powered by sustained strong deployment as well as better yields. Changes in recoveries totaled $7 million during the quarter, partly because of modest ERC increases across certain portfolio segments, and there we anticipate realizing collections that exceed our initial forecast, tied to the legal channel improvements we talked about on earlier calls; we still view changes in recoveries against the company's aggregate ERC of $3.6 billion, and our emphasis stays on accuracy rather than conservatism when it comes to portfolio modeling. Operating expenses came to $98 million, up 23% year-over-year, and that compares with a 35% rise in collections. Expenses continue to be well controlled against collections growth, and our Cash Efficiency Ratio stood at 72.9% for the quarter. Adjusted pre-tax income reached $63 million in the quarter, producing an adjusted pre-tax ROE of 50.9%. We saw a material amount of collections come from portfolios purchased in 2024, 2025, and 2026, including our performing portfolio purchases, and that in turn pushed adjusted cash EBITDA to $241 million for the quarter, 34% higher year-over-year. Lastly, in the third quarter, Jefferson Capital recognized portfolio revenue of $13.4 million and net operating income of $10.3 million tied to the Bluestem portfolio purchase. Our credit profile is still strong and leaves us well positioned for opportunities ahead. As of September 30th, net debt to adjusted cash EBITDA was 1.73x, a level considerably below that of our publicly traded peers. Over the long run, we target a leverage ratio in the 2x-2.5x range on a sustained basis. Our balance sheet is solid, with plenty of liquidity to fund growth, create strategic optionality, and pay our quarterly dividend. Our senior secured revolving credit facility, which has aggregate committed capital of $1.15 billion, had $554 million drawn as of September 30th; on August 20th, 2026, we issued $100 million through an opportunistic reopening of our 2030 Senior Notes. That transaction was done in a highly efficient format, letting us pick a favorable window before market volatility picked up. The notes were issued at 104% of face value with an implied yield of 6.6%, and they carry the same terms as the existing 2030 notes. We applied the offering proceeds to right-size RCF utilization after the record-high deployments in the third quarter. Right now, the company has no debt maturities until 2029. Our capital structure is well-positioned to respond to the seasonally strong portfolio supply we expect in the fourth quarter. Our strong liquidity profile is a critical piece of the value proposition we offer sellers, who prize certainty of close during periods when portfolio activity rises but funding markets could be constrained or unavailable. On capital allocation priorities, our main focus is still on deploying capital to buy portfolios at attractive risk-adjusted returns. We keep growing the portfolio, with ERC up 23% versus the third quarter of 2025. The board has approved a regular quarterly dividend of $0.24 per share, and that works out to a 4.9% annualized yield as of the end of October. This dividend gives shareholders an appealing piece of total return that you won't find from other publicly traded companies in the sector, and it also strengthens our long-term discipline when it comes to investment returns. Alongside the follow-on equity offering in January, we bought back 3 million shares as well, roughly 5% of total legally issued shares, for $59 million. That repurchase was tactical: the company put its capital to work supporting the offering and further trimming the sponsor overhang. Should the share price show significant volatility, we'll consider buying back stock in the open market. All told, for the nine months ended September 30, the company has returned $103 million to shareholders. Last, we have a long track record of successful M&A, and the Phin Solutions acquisition that David mentioned is the latest instance. We kept strict pricing discipline on this deal, paying a purchase price multiple of 4.6x on trailing 12-month earnings. We'd be glad to take any questions you have. Operator, please open the lines.

John Hecht

analyst
#3

Good afternoon, everyone, and thanks for taking my questions. Congratulations on yet another strong quarter. David, I believe you provided quite a lot of detail, and you spent a good deal of time discussing the opportunities you're finding in auto as well as the geography of Mexico. You've been active in both of those markets for quite a while. I'm curious whether this reflects what you might call competitive dynamics, where you've by now established certain advantages in those segments or regions that will lead you to move more aggressively. Or does it reflect the pipeline becoming more active, or the return profile? I'm wondering what the changing elements are that let you place those as a higher priority, so to speak, or devote more time to them.

David Burton

executive
#4

Well, thank you for the question, John. I'd like to address the two separately as I respond, beginning with auto. Auto is a U.S. sector that we've operated in for a decade or more, and over time we've built out our capabilities there to cover secured and unsecured alike, along with charge-off and insolvency or bankruptcies. More recently, we moved into the performing portfolio purchasing arena. The opportunities in that space come from a combination of our improved penetration of that sector, thanks to having more offerings for auto originators, which gives us a larger client base. Second, that sector, as we've discussed, is facing real headwinds, with delinquencies and charge-offs rising more rapidly than in other asset classes. And finally, I believe the expertise, analytically and operationally, that we can bring to bear, having a more mature platform across all of these areas, where we can keep driving continuous performance improvement, gives us a growing or increasing competitive advantage in the auto space. All of that is translating into both more opportunities for us and more capital being deployed. Now let me return to the Mexico question, because I think the answer there is quite a bit different. Mexico is a geography we entered very recently, and although we've been examining Mexico for a long time, having studied that marketplace, the participants, the originators, and the regulatory environment, we've purchased only a very few portfolios there. And our plan for Mexico, much like other geographies we've entered, is to deploy a limited amount of capital, build our operating capability and platform, and validate our underwriting models before deploying more significant amounts of capital. So Mexico won't really move the needle for our growth in the very near term, in my view, but I do expect that over time it certainly could become a meaningful contributor, given that Mexico's consumer credit market is substantially larger than, say, Colombia's, where we're the leading debt buyer and where we've already shown continuous growth in deployments and collections. And it's our hope that this becomes an illustration of what Mexico could eventually turn into for us.

John Hecht

analyst
#5

All right. That really is a nice color, and it sounds exciting. I suppose I have one question about OpEx. I'm just wondering whether the legal commissions expense or the Bluestem portfolio expense are temporary or one-time items that you'd flag as not run rate, or whether the $98.4 million of OpEx is generally run rate at this point? Maybe that one's for Christo.

Christo Realov

executive
#6

Yeah. So as for the Bluestem contribution to the financials, we're just calling that out as additional color, and I wouldn't think of it as one time. We've discussed before the idea that this is a relatively short portfolio, and we expect the bulk of the financial impact from that portfolio to kind of occur over 2026, right? And 2027 will be kind of a thin tail. But I wouldn't think of it as one time. On the-

John Hecht

analyst
#7

My apologies, Christo. What I meant was the $3.1 million expense specifically, not the contribution to operating profit.

Christo Realov

executive
#8

Correct, that's right.

John Hecht

analyst
#9

All right.

Christo Realov

executive
#10

As for court costs, I'd say the present level likely gives a fair indication of what we expect going forward. We didn't specifically highlight court costs in the prepared remarks, since we've already gone over those trends on earlier calls, and there isn't much that's different this quarter.

John Hecht

analyst
#11

All right, thanks a lot.

David Burton

executive
#12

Yes. Still, John, I think — and perhaps I'm getting ahead of what you're really after regarding Bluestem. Is your question about Bluestem essentially whether, as that portfolio shrinks in size, we're likely to end up carrying some amount of fixed costs?

John Hecht

analyst
#13

Well, the-

David Burton

executive
#14

And-

John Hecht

analyst
#15

the-

David Burton

executive
#16

-was that the question?

John Hecht

analyst
#17

Yeah, it's really about this: you mention a $3.1 million expense tied to the Bluestem acquisition. I'm wondering whether that's just a temporary one-time $3 million, or whether it will be part of an ongoing cost connected to that as it-

David Burton

executive
#18

Yeah.

John Hecht

analyst
#19

—is everything flowing through your platform?

David Burton

executive
#20

That's a fair question, and I believe I was getting at that point. What matters, I think, is that people recognize our platform costs are built to be mostly variable, and that holds whether we're acquiring a performing portfolio or dealing with charge-offs or insolvencies. Our platform is designed so that even as a portfolio's size declines, the economics stay with us in our underwriting.

John Hecht

analyst
#21

Got it. Thank you, guys.

David Burton

executive
#22

Thank you, John.

David Scharf

analyst
#23

Hi there, good afternoon, and thanks for having me on for these questions. Dave or Christo, I'd like to ask a few things regarding, I suppose, the near-term pipeline for putting capital to work, so that we can get some sense of how to think about forecasting across the coming maybe 12, 18 months. My first question, I guess, is this: I'm aware there was an unusually big amount of deployment during the month of October, toward auto receivables, which you had flagged last quarter. Should we treat that as a very unique one-off purchase event, or, to put it another way, is there something of a pig in the python opportunity in auto, where a great deal of pent-up opportunity exists, meaning we might see additional Octobers down the road?

David Burton

executive
#24

That's a good question, and it's a little bit hard to answer, since we have, of course, seen and continue to see additional auto opportunities. Of course, whether those additional opportunities ultimately become transactable purchases in the future is somewhat difficult to predict, even though, of course, a historical trend rate does exist. What I would caution you about is that, obviously, quarterly deployments can fluctuate, as ours have done. Historically, about half of our deployments have come under forward flow, while the other half are static pool transactions. If you'd like to think about how well positioned we are to deploy additional capital going forward, one data point you could utilize would be our committed forward flow volume at the end of the third quarter this year, which was $384 million. That's up about 20% compared to where it stood at last year.

Christo Realov

executive
#25

Yeah, and perhaps one more point to clarify, David. That outsized deployment activity happened in July, not in October. The quarterly figures — the $319 million we disclosed for this quarter, sorry, the $318 million we disclosed for the quarter — take that activity into account. Nothing has been disclosed by us for the month of October.

David Scharf

analyst
#26

Understood, thanks. And actually, following up on that, I wanted to ask about forward flow. I realize it's up compared with a year ago. My recollection is that it had fallen from roughly $480 million as of June. Did a specific account or seller expire, or ought we to expect that to trend back upward?

David Burton

executive
#27

Yeah, the way I'd describe that drop is just as a natural result of when forward flows are arranged and when they renew, and nothing that worries me about direction. It happened that during the second quarter we started quite a lot of forward flow renewals plus brand new forward flows. Of course, since then we've been drawing down those forward flows. During the third quarter, we started fewer new forward flows, though not for any reason related to a market shift—purely because of how the calendar falls regarding when originators typically run their forward flow programs.

David Scharf

analyst
#28

Understood. Got it. Thanks.

Randy Binner

analyst
#29

Hi, thanks for the questions. I think I have a bit of a follow-up, or I'm looking for more detail based on the prior question set there. Going back to July, when we heard about the $185 million deployment in the month of July in the last call, I think that was largely attributed to auto. I'm taking that number and looking at the $318 million deployed for the quarter that was reported here. Can you break out how much of that was auto versus other categories, just so we can get a sense of sizing this opportunity that is developing in the market?

Christo Realov

executive
#30

Yeah. Well, Randy, to address that — we don't break out deployments by asset class. What we've said is that a big chunk of that $185 million came from opportunities in auto finance, covering performing portfolios, charge-off portfolios, and insolvency portfolios. I'd also point out that in the prepared remarks we highlighted substantial growth everywhere — the U.S., the United Kingdom, and Latin America all posted triple-digit year-over-year growth. So deployments this quarter were much more broad-based rather than concentrated just in auto finance.

Randy Binner

analyst
#31

Right. The auto piece would only be within the United States, is that correct?

Christo Realov

executive
#32

Yes, that's correct.

Randy Binner

analyst
#33

All right, got that. So really, I only had one small item — more of a modeling one, I suppose — regarding the tax rate. Did it come in slightly better than anticipated this quarter, and are we still planning on 26%?

Christo Realov

executive
#34

Yes.

Randy Binner

analyst
#35

Is that a level that's reasonable to plan around, and did it come in stronger this quarter?

Christo Realov

executive
#36

Yes, it certainly came in stronger thanks to some catch-ups. During the first two quarters we were somewhat conservative on certain items, and this quarter we had the chance to more or less rightsize the tax rate. Going forward, I'd view the tax rate as that mid-20s% figure that folks are broadly assuming.

Randy Binner

analyst
#37

Alright, I'll stop there. Thanks.

Bose George

analyst
#38

Hi, everyone. Good afternoon. Could you discuss the collection, the multiples on the purchases made this quarter, and how that roughly compares with year-to-date? Then, given the larger performing piece in auto, just talk about how that affects it too.

David Burton

executive
#39

Once more, I believe we aren't disclosing deployments at the asset class level, and we also aren't specifically discussing deployments for upcoming quarters. All these questions clearly revolve around, like, what do the deployments from last quarter mean for deployments in future quarters? Which is clearly a very fair question. But I want to point out, in the auto sector especially, nearly all of the auto deployments are static pool purchases, meaning they aren't forward flows, and so there's greater volatility in how much they contribute to a given quarter. The logic behind our superior growth strategy, though, is that we have a broader range of asset classes and a broader range of appealing geographies that, taken together, let us generate deployment growth continuously at appealing returns in a manner that depends less on any single asset class or geography. We're very bullish on auto overall for all the reasons we covered in the prepared remarks, and would expect it to keep making up a growing deployment set; we're also seeing substantial growth outside the U.S. Latin America and the U.K. each grew considerably. Latin America was up 300+% versus the prior year, and the U.K. was above 100% versus the prior year. Although we're highlighting auto as an appealing market where we're uniquely positioned to benefit, it isn't on its own the sole driver of this robust deployment growth that we're seeing and that we anticipate being able to take advantage of as we go forward.

Christo Realov

executive
#40

There's another point on that, David, and it's more specifically tied to multiples. To start with, we usually sound a note of caution about the way multiples get interpreted, particularly when the portfolio is very diversified and non-homogeneous, like the one we manage. To be specific, I'd add that purchase price multiples differ quite materially between distressed insolvency purchases and performing purchases, rather than across asset classes. What mainly drives the multiples you're seeing in the 10-Q is how deployments break down between distressed insolvency and performing, not whether the assets are credit cards, personal installment loans, or auto. The last thing I'll mention is that Jefferson Capital, as always, keeps its focus on the net unlevered IRR, right? The insolvency pool carrying a much lower purchase price multiple, along with a lower cost to collect relative to a distressed pool, doesn't really have an impact on the net unlevered IRR, and that's the number we focus on when underwriting portfolios.

Bose George

analyst
#41

All right, that's useful. Thank you; given the acquisition you mentioned, ought we to expect additional investment in insolvency portfolios? Is that where the emphasis lies?

David Burton

executive
#42

We believe that bringing Phin Solutions onto our platform is going to open up more chances for us to deliver a broader range of services to originators, for both purchasing and servicing. As things stand, no other servicer or purchaser offers as complete a set of capabilities as we do, and that should mean additional opportunities for us within the bankruptcy insolvency sector. That is, naturally, among the reasons behind our decision to acquire Phin.

Bose George

analyst
#43

All right, great. Thank you.

Mark Hughes

analyst
#44

Yes, thanks. Good afternoon. This quarter saw the Cash Efficiency Ratio rise. It had fallen lately, mostly owing to mix issues. Looking at the book of business today, should we take it that this efficiency ratio will stay steady or keep improving?

David Burton

executive
#45

Well, first off, I appreciate your flagging that increase. That rise stems mainly from buying the performing portfolio in the quarter, which brought in more performing collections at a lower cost to collect, since the great majority of those accounts are paying. That, I believe, is really the phenomenon you are observing. I think if we were not to buy further performing portfolios, you would expect our overall Cash Efficiency Ratio to ultimately come down and finally reach roughly the 68% level we give information for on the Cash Efficiency Ratio when the performing portfolios are excluded; but naturally, we would also anticipate purchasing more performing portfolios down the road; this is a mix matter, not something fundamental, which is why we aim to be as transparent as possible and disclose the Cash Efficiency Ratio both with and without the performing portfolios.

Mark Hughes

analyst
#46

Very good. To offset the $1.1 billion in collections we expect over the next 12 months, if I have that right, I think this quarter you mentioned $642 million, and last quarter it was $565 million. Is that a matter of price, or is it a mix issue?

Christo Realov

executive
#47

It is a mix issue, and that figure is wholly driven by the year-to-date purchase price multiple, which stood lower at September 30th than at June 30th thanks to this performing portfolio we have been discussing that we bought in July.

Mark Hughes

analyst
#48

And then, last question.

Christo Realov

executive
#49

That is the driver.

Mark Hughes

analyst
#50

Yeah. All right, thanks for that. Final question: in the U.S. credit card market, are there any additional opportunities you've noticed? Supply looks solid, and perhaps competitors aren't pushing as hard there. What's your read on it?

David Burton

executive
#51

I'd describe it as a slight uptick in opportunities within that sector, though I view it as very stable — extremely stable — and nothing stands out as especially significant that would point to some kind of structural shift.

Mark Hughes

analyst
#52

Understood. Thank you.

David Burton

executive
#53

Of course.

Robert Dodd

analyst
#54

Hey, everyone. I really don't like repeating the same question on portfolio growth. I mean, sure, Latin America and the U.K. both expanded too, but in pure dollar terms the U.S. clearly makes up the huge majority of the year-over-year increase. I mean, was there — and you did tell us it was coming — but I mean, was anything there, I don't want to call it one-time, but lumpy? For instance in auto, where you acquired several kinds of asset class, though clearly you may be able to get several asset classes from one seller. Did one big seller relationship stand out in the quarter, and is that sort of the origin of the volatility? Or was it very diversified, and it just so happened to all come together through a bunch of spot transactions at once in July? I mean, just to get a sense of it — you mentioned purchasing can be volatile. I wouldn't expect this again next quarter, but who knows, or in the current quarter. But I mean, just how lumpy is it? Is it really large deals from a single buyer that happened very episodically, or could you just share some thinking on how you've described it as a fragmented market — but is the selling fragmented within a given quarter as well?

David Burton

executive
#55

That question is difficult to answer because, since auto especially is both fragmented and runs mostly on a static pool basis, you don't get a tremendous sort of window into future purchases. That makes me hesitant to say anything meaningful about any short-term outcomes, or near-term outcomes. What I will say, though, is that broadly speaking, we're seeing more opportunities in auto across all of the insolvencies, charge-offs, and performing. Over medium-term times, I would expect those to lead to more deployments for auto. But they lack the kind of visibility we have in other asset classes where forward flows are actually in place. It's obviously a good and important question, but not one I can truly answer beyond the broader expectation that where historically we've seen more opportunities, those have tended to turn into transactable growth in our deployments. I would expect that to happen in auto as well.

Christo Realov

executive
#56

Yes. David, perhaps I can offer one additional remark that might be useful here. When we discuss buying performing portfolios, there is definitely a built-in element of unevenness, since these transactions usually involve bigger dollar figures, given that we pay a greater percentage of face value for a paying book, correct? So inherently, any purchase of a performing portfolio would exceed our usual average purchase in dollar terms and would introduce a degree of unevenness in purchasing activity during that particular period.

Robert Dodd

analyst
#57

Understood. Yes, thanks. Following up on what you just told Mark: clearly that $642 million you have to replace ERC. Let me try to put this the right way — is that figure becoming less meaningful? Since, in the same way, right, if it's a lower multiple because it was performing, you don't need the same ERC to generate the same IRR, because IRRs differ per dollar, right? Is the $642 million — the fact that it's higher than it was three months ago — just a less meaningful number because, as you say, it's the IRR, and the multiple affects the $642 million, but it doesn't necessarily affect the IRR?

David Burton

executive
#58

Well, frankly, Robert, it has never been a meaningful data point for us at any point, because we're a growth business, and the notion of operating around anything simply being static or replacement runs counter to the company's core strategy. If you look at the CAGR historically around our growth and deployments, I think that's a far more reliable way to think about growth for Jefferson Capital going forward. What a terrible year it would be if all we did was create deployments at replacement value level; so, I think the sector might be inclined to think about that because some of the public company competitors have had years that have, I think, shown low growth. So maybe that was more relevant almost as a kind of leverage metric, if you will; but for us, we only provide it because the sector provides it, and I find it completely meaningless.

Robert Dodd

analyst
#59

Thanks for giving it to me straight — I appreciate that.

David Burton

executive
#60

Sure thing.

David Burton

executive
#61

Thanks, Operator. As we look ahead, the growth prospects for our business over the rest of this year and beyond have us excited. Over the past 24 years, we have built an outstanding platform, and as the market keeps evolving, we are well positioned to capitalize on opportunities. Thank you all for joining us today, and we look forward to giving another update on our fourth quarter earnings call.

Operator

operator
#62

That brings the conference to a close. Thanks for joining today's presentation. You're welcome to disconnect now.

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