Kiniksa Pharmaceuticals International, plc (KNSA) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

May 14, 2024

NASDAQ US Health Care Biotechnology conference_presentation 25 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Geoffrey Meacham

analyst
#1

[Audio Gap] Conference. My name is Geoff Meacham. I'm the senior biopharma analyst here and we're thrilled today to have the Kiniksa team with us. So speaking on behalf of Kiniksa, we have CEO, Sanj Patel. Head of Commercial, Ross Moat; and then John Paolini, Chief Medical Officer. Guys, thanks for coming.

Sanj Patel

executive
#2

Good to see you. Thanks for having us.

Geoffrey Meacham

analyst
#3

Yes. So I guess just for the folks that aren't as familiar with the story, just give us kind of the quick elevated picture we'll get to some questions, probably spend a little bit of time on ARCALYST?

Sanj Patel

executive
#4

Yes. Happy to do it. So obviously first of all, as usual, please note I will be making forward-looking statements today that are subject to risks and uncertainties. You can refer to those in the SEC filings. So happy to be here. Kiniksa is very much a growth-orientated well-capitalized company. Company was formed just around 8 years ago. And since that time, as Geoff knows well, we collated some very interesting and compelling assets. We are now a commercial company. And in fact, cash flow positive on an annual basis. The launch of ARCALYST is now 3 years since launch has gone incredibly well. In fact, we've just announced that in our first quarter, we had a quarter of $78.9 million for the quarter and in fact, increased our guidance for the year to $370 million to $390 million. And that, at the midpoint, represents roughly 63% year-over-year growth since last year. So obviously, I am quite pleased with the commercial execution with ARCALYST. We attempt to continue that growth and continue to nearly commercially. But on top of that, we're also looking at growth, obviously, from the rest of the pipeline, we have announced that we're moving our abiprubart molecule, which is a CD40-CD154 molecule into Phase II. We're going to be starting a Sjögren's study in the second half of this year. That's on the heels now of positive data in terms of proof of concept that we had in our array and obviously, very keen to see how that molecule moves forward. A lot of the external proof of concept for interrupting the CD40-CD154 mechanism. So exciting movements there. As Geoff knows, we are always keen to do business development, both for the in-licensing on the adolescent side. We've had some successful deals done with vixarelimab was a IL-31 and oncostatin M molecule that we out-licensed in Roche/Genentech and that was around $125 million plus royalties and milestones. And so obviously, we're looking forward to that. And we are looking to monetize our mavrilimumab molecule. This is an anti-GM-CSF molecule that we took through Phase II in a number of positive indication. So a lot going on at the company. Needless to say, execution both on the commercial front and on the clinical development front is top of mind.

Geoffrey Meacham

analyst
#5

Yes. So let's talk a little bit about ARCALYST and the sort of the recent commercial dynamics. Would you say Sanj, and maybe Ross too, looking forward, what's the -- been the primary driver? Is it persistent rates of patients that seems to be growing quite nicely. Is it the awareness and finding patients, I'm sure it's probably all of the above. But what would you just characterize kind of is the bigger driver of late.

Sanj Patel

executive
#6

Yes. Maybe I'll start, Ross, then feel free to jump in. I mean, I think, again, it's all about penetration. So we've often said that there's around 14,000 patients in the U.S. that suffer from 2 or more recurrences. And those have been the sort of target patient population that we've been focus on penetrating into. Last reported, we said we penetrated around 9% into that 14,000. On the one hand, it tells you, they've got a lot more work to do. It also tells you there's a lot more opportunity. So really, it's all of the things that you mentioned. I mean certainly, duration of therapy is very important. Last reported, we said that the duration is roughly around 23 months. When we first launched in April of 2021, we figured it maybe around 6 to 9 months, that increased to 9 to 12 months and then prior penultimately was around 18 months. So that duration certainly helped. But on top of that, it's things like educating the physicians, we've now got around 2,000 prescribers that we've recently announced. And that -- and 24% of those are repeat prescribers. So it really educating on, not the duration, but also the importance of compliance. We've got a very high approval rate within the payer network. And so we're working very hard. That's been around 90% quarter-on-quarter. So those all go towards that increasing growth and certainly, our expectations for the future. I'm sure Ross will cover the recently expanded sales force to around 85 sales reps, up from around 50. That's quite nascent. That happened at the end of last year. Hopefully, in the middle of this year, we'll see that really come to fruition. So Ross, anything to add?

Ross Moat

executive
#7

No, I think that's all great and well summarized. I guess the only thing I would add is that we're just very focused on the awareness of recurrent pericarditis how to distinguish recurrent pericarditis from an initial acute pericarditis or the index episode of pericarditis. So patients get diagnosed accurately and quickly and treated early. So we focus on that very much with our field team execution and other kind of awareness activities that we have around ARCALYST around recurrent pericarditis. So that's key to us. And we're seeing the awareness grow substantially since the time of our launch year-on-year and quarter-on-quarter, the awareness, the knowledge around ARCALYST has growing significantly. As Sanj outlined, the number of prescribers has grown pretty rapidly. And in fact, in the last quarter, Q1 versus Q4, we had the biggest growth in prescriber base that we've had so far since launch. I think all that indicates that the awareness and knowledge is growing. And we are very focused on making sure that when physicians identify an appropriate patient and prescribe ARCALYST that they have a good prescribing experience. They know how to prescribe the drug, how to get it reimbursed, how to go through the approval process and to start their patients off and hopefully hear great feedback from their patients on how they feel once they're initiated on ARCALYST. And if we do all that well and help physicians and help patients, that will encourage them to identify and prescribe for more patients down the line.

Geoffrey Meacham

analyst
#8

I guess the question is, is there a way to leverage the experience even further to not just enhance kind of the risk benefit, but the cost benefit in another words. Can you follow patients and sort of present new data on longer-term follow-up and see the resulting kind of benefit on the cost side as well as the -- obviously, the clinical side?

Sanj Patel

executive
#9

Yes. I mean, John, maybe you can talk about the long-term extension of the data we've seen there. And obviously, what we're trying to obviously move forward in terms of publications as well. But there's an awful lot of education around the long term extension data, the resonance registry, which is I think is a very important part of the education piece.

John Paolini

executive
#10

Sure. Happy to cover that. Yes. So in the main RHAPSODY study, which is the pivotal study that supported registration, the median duration of treatment was 9 months. And so that showed a 96% reduction in risk of pericarditis recurrence. What we showed in the long-term extension is then following those patients for further. And so in fact, at 18 months of treatment, then there was a trial of suspension of therapy. And what it showed was that there was a 75% recurrence rate in those that suspended therapy versus those that continued therapy. So that was 98% relative risk reduction was consistent with the primary endpoint. What that showed is that the disease duration is long. And so therefore, if premature cessation of therapy, unmasks the underlying disease process and leads to recurrence of disease. But the good news there is that while you see that recurrence and it tells you the disease is present, you can reinitiate therapy, and that brings the disease back under control. And so that becomes a core of the educational piece, which is to treat to the duration of the disease, which as Ross has mentioned in the past, can be for those with multiple recurrent -- 2 or more recurrences be like 3 years. And so that's kind of the focus of the educational piece.

Geoffrey Meacham

analyst
#11

Got you. Yes. And then I guess last question on the payer dynamics. Sanj, you mentioned more and more wins and for the sort of a more accelerated time on patient sort of onboarding. Help us with kind of what are the gaps still to fill yet on the payer side and maybe how the step edits with sort of frontline therapies have sort of evolve over time.

Sanj Patel

executive
#12

Yes. I mean maybe I'll have some comments and Ross, feel free to join. We haven't seen that much pushback to balance not to say that in any ways we're complacent. I think half of the reason why we have such a high rate of compliance from the payer side or the reimbursement side is that we have proactively reached out. You have to remember, ARCALYST was an approved therapy prior to recurrent pericarditis albeit for CAPS and now for DIRA, incredibly rare syndromes. But I think that has sort of helped people understand but the data that John described, RHAPSODY has phenomenal data from the Phase III pivotal study, 92% reduction the p-values that were very strong. I think has helped us educate not just the physicians but also the payers in terms of the value that this therapy brings. And so we haven't had to date, again, not being complacent, a lot of pushback at all from the therapy. Ross, anything to add?

Ross Moat

executive
#13

Absolutely right. We're very pleased with the payer approval rate. It's more than 90% in all completed cases. That's been the case. In fact, every single quarter since launch. So I think we've got a very strong value proposition and a robust value proposition that's understood well by payers. So we don't suffer from many payer edits, step edits and that type of thing. There are some very small plans that may have something like corticosteroid use prior to ARCALYST. But all of our education is really using ARCALYST as a steroid sparing agent before corticosteroid use. And I think payers are -- that's resonating very well with payers and is well understood. People understand they're using corticosteroids can prolong the disease and certainly, the toxicity effects of patients being on those therapies can be pretty substantial. And by the time patients are suffering from multiple recurrence is very clear that previous therapies have not work in addressing the root cause of the disease. And we know that the root cause is interleukin-1 alpha beta, so providing a targeted therapy to help those patients manage the disease is incredibly important. And I think we're seeing that live out in the pay world.

Geoffrey Meacham

analyst
#14

And you guys commercial success has mostly been U.S., maybe just give us at a high level kind of your thoughts as this opportunity could evolve outside of that.

Sanj Patel

executive
#15

Yes. I mean we are looking at it very carefully. We do have Orphan Drug designation in both the U.S. and Europe. And obviously, both Ross and I having European background or a British background, we're very keen to understand the opportunity ex U.S. without a doubt. So we're looking at it very carefully. At this point, we have not disclosed our plans. But needless to say, it's not lost on us that there is other potential outside of the U.S. and that would obviously include potentially Europe, given the orphan drug status.

Geoffrey Meacham

analyst
#16

Is that a pretty significant financial investment to raise awareness and build the brand? Or is there an opportunity maybe to use -- to partner with somebody?

Sanj Patel

executive
#17

Yes. I mean, I think we'll look at both. I mean we obviously Ross and I in particular, we've got a lot of experience working in Europe and launching drugs in Europe. You can always have a very targeted launch as well. We obviously thinking very carefully about how much investments you make upfront. So you're not going all out. But as you say, we're obviously open to partnerships as well. We do have an existing partnership agreement with Huadong Medicine, which is a very large Asian pharmaceutical company, and that's for the rights for ARCALYST and mavrilimumab actually across the Asia Pacific region, excluding Japan. So obviously, that's another way that we could potentially help monetize the asset in other regions. So we certainly are potentially looking at ex U.S. and certainly keeping the optionality for other regions.

Geoffrey Meacham

analyst
#18

Okay. Makes sense. And then I guess the last question is, as you think about the -- it's come up in a lot of other non-orphan indications, but manufacturing capacity and things of that nature, right? So there are any investments to be made there with respect to supply? Or are you guys pretty much free and clear from that hasn't been any issues thus far, but is that something that you think about down the road when you expand?

Sanj Patel

executive
#19

Yes. I mean we're always looking at the expansion and almost making sure that we have the supply in right now. Obviously, as you're aware, Regeneron manufacturing the drug. They've done that for years when they were supplying for CAPS. I mean that continues. We have publicly stated that there is a tech transfer in process and that will be in place with us. But again, it's something we're very much looking forward to whilst there has been a very strong partnership and there's been no issues to date, certainly, it's nice to be able to control your own destiny. And as we hopefully have significant continued growth ahead of us, we're going to hopefully look forward to controlling that.

Geoffrey Meacham

analyst
#20

Yes. Okay. Makes sense. Let's switch gears to 4 or 4. So maybe for those in the audience, just give us a little bit of a background for the CD40 antagonism and how that could really resonate right with the profile.

John Paolini

executive
#21

Yes. So the CD40-CD154 interaction really sits at the center of many immune mediated diseases. So basically, CD40 is a cell surface molecule. It's on the surface of B cells and antigen-presenting cells, CD154 on T cells and other cells. And it's an important co-stimulatory signal as antigens are presented on B cells or T cells are activated that it kind of drives that activation process. And so it's an attractive target to interrupt that co-stimulation as a way of blocking autoimmune diseases. And so there's a lot of external proof of concept about targeting either side of that interaction as a way of blocking autoimmune diseases. And so we're particularly excited about abiprubart because antagonist, it has many properties that are very attractive, stable pharmacokinetics. We have a high concentration liquid formulation that's enabling subcutaneous dosing. And so we're moving that program forward, and we can talk about it as you like.

Geoffrey Meacham

analyst
#22

Yes. And I guess Sjogren's talk a little bit about how you select the indications that you could allocate capital towards it that you would prioritize? I know obviously, there's a science piece of it, but there's also a bit of an economic...

John Paolini

executive
#23

Sure. So maybe initially, just the reason for initially studying rheumatoid arthritis with abiprubart as a way of establishing PK/PD relationships. So it's a large population of patients where there were very defined end points defined dose response relationship. And so -- and enabled us to make the transition out of Phase I to test subcutaneous dosing and establish the fact that we have parity or similarity of response with weekly, bi-weekly and monthly dosing. So that was a great place to start to give us a good bench -- establish a benchmark with the asset. But then moving forward and thinking about further development, Sjogren's disease is a very important place for us to go. It's obviously a disease that is a devastating disease for those patients who have it, there are no approved therapies. And to us, as we thought about it, the disease has been fundamentally derisked because of the fact that there's been a lot of proof of -- external proof-of-concept work on both blocking CD40 as well as blocking CD154. However, when we think about the assets that have demonstrated that initial proof of concept, we believe that there's an opportunity for abiprubart to show differentiation advantage over those other assets. And so that allows us to move into that space bolstered by the information that we've learned from our own Phase II experience to go into the Phase II trial that Sanj mentioned, is anticipated to start in the second half of this year. And there, we're testing biweekly and monthly dosing over a 6-month period of time with them in a long-term extension to allow full treatment for the full year. I think that will give us a lot of dose focusing information on the drug, but then importantly, though establishes -- really put a flag in the ground, if you will, in a critically important autoimmune disease.

Sanj Patel

executive
#24

I think it's also important to mention, I'm not sure if you did, but the potential for subcu dosing, I think, is also a potential real differentiator aside from the fact that we are looking to study both biweekly and monthly. So the dosing modality as well as the route of administration, I think, could be an important differentiator, obviously, pending results.

Geoffrey Meacham

analyst
#25

But did you guys intend to go into RA? Or I mean, John, you mentioned that being sort of the proof of concept sort of for the molecule and the mechanism, right? But is there an idea that, that could down the road be an indication I mean it's not trivial in terms of expense.

Sanj Patel

executive
#26

Yes. I'm sure, John, you can comment, but we did see some very compelling RA, rheumatoid factor. Data, very important pharmacodynamic marker in our Phase II study with RA and that was very compelling. And I think certainly, obviously, it's a large indication as you say. We're not excluding the fact that we could consider partnering that, as you said earlier. But the data was compelling in many ways, so as far as RF factor was concerned. But also let's also admit that safety was also very compelling as well in terms of the CD40 molecule. So we're pretty pleased with that. That's right.

Geoffrey Meacham

analyst
#27

And so Sjogren's being very much an unmet need. How would you characterize the mechanism versus other things in the clinic? There's a ton of sort of retrofitted anti, I mean, everything from TNF to IL-13 I mean, that have looked at maybe not as successfully, right? But help us with kind of how you view CD40 as maybe a key player in children.

John Paolini

executive
#28

Right. So certainly, because of the fact that it's a high unmet medical need, there have been a lot of efforts to try different types of immune modulation in that disease space. And unfortunately, for the patients, a lot of those have been unsuccessful. And so -- but when we think about this particular mechanism and why we're really enthusiastic about it, if you will, is because of the fact that when you think about the mechanism of disease really is ideally suited for this type of pathway inhibition. Antigen presentation, T cell activation, B-cell activation, it's a multi-cell response, if you will. And so this particular pathway really sits right at the center. And the fact that there is already external proof of concept that provides that validation of the magnitude of the treatment effect that one can hope to see, certainly gives this mechanism, a lot of promise. There are some other mechanisms that are in development that have also shown some data, and that's also good for patients that there are different options because of the way this disease presents. But I think importantly, the size of the population is also large enough and there's enough disease heterogeneity that is a space that could support multiple assets in the space as clinicians make their choice about what's right for their patients.

Geoffrey Meacham

analyst
#29

Some on to ARCALYST, right? I mean you need to raise awareness first, right, but it all starts with having in fact a drug and beyond Sjogren's so I know in oncology, for example, a single biomarker could be an indicator of 10 tumor types. But here though, is there any sort of literature, any evidence for CD40 being a main player, sort of immune disregulation and other more rare immune conditions.

Sanj Patel

executive
#30

I mean there's a whole host of other conditions, CD40 has potentially been implicated in. I think half of those listed on our website on our deck, and we're certainly looking at many of those. I mean, the nice part about being where we are in terms of the revenue, the cash position we have is that we are as I said, cash flow positive, and we need to have the ability to not only fund Sjogren's through Phase III but also continue all the other activities, including BD and potentially looking at other indications including CD40. So we're looking at them very carefully. There's a whole host of them. I think at this point, we're not going to -- it's quite a competitive area. So we're not going to show the hand as it were. But rest assured, we're looking very, very carefully about how we could apply and create more value.

Geoffrey Meacham

analyst
#31

Well, is there a scenario where you could run, for example, like a basket study, if you will, of a number of different immune conditions that -- you'll get the best probability or do you have to have sort of an intended approach, like a single indication and go forward.

Sanj Patel

executive
#32

I mean that's the strategy we've used before, actually, it's quite interesting. I mean we did it with vixarelimab, the IL-31 and oncostatin M molecule and that generated some very interesting data. And certainly, I'm sure it helps to get the value we got when we partner that with Roche/Genentech. So that was a very compelling area. That's one option. The other option is obviously just doing another Phase II potentially in an area where we believe has a high rate of success, especially potentially a subcu dosing modality and the type of frequency of dosing that John mentioned. So we're looking at both of those areas, but that's only something we've done before to quite to some success.

Geoffrey Meacham

analyst
#33

Yes. Yes. And Sanj, you mentioned that cash flow positive, and you guys have been profitable for the past few quarters. Help us with kind of how you balance the -- maybe the bottom line and the cash flow with how you could grow for CD40. I'm just trying to get a sense for -- is there still a priority to retain the bottom line kind of performance?

Sanj Patel

executive
#34

Well, we think about that all very carefully and very thoughtfully. But I think the focus would be more upon growth and value creation. So while, yes, we are cash flow positive on an annual basis. And obviously, we look at the bottom line very carefully. Ultimately, our bias is going to be on creating the most value in the mid and the long term and also in the short term. So for us, I think that will take precedence. We've often said that even when it comes to business development, we've got an incredibly high bar but we will look at an asset externally that potentially if it has more value than something I've internally, we'll be open to that. We are clearly pragmatic. We don't get over emotionally tied to a single molecule. At the same time, having the cash position, it means that we don't have to do a deal that we shouldn't do. So many people did deals just for the sake of doing deals, are they aren't that good. And we're not doing that. So we'll consider all that. So I think that's how we think about it. It's really based on value as opposed to maintaining a certain position on our bottom line.

Geoffrey Meacham

analyst
#35

Got you. And just with respect to the in-house sort of capabilities, maybe just highlight, is there any particular platform or differentiation that you guys see from internal candidates for that?

Sanj Patel

executive
#36

I mean, we've got a bloody great team and a good, good team can pretty much do anything. I mean, we've had a phenomenal launch with ARCALYST. We've executed along our clinical development plans and enrolled on time, if not before time. I think as far as treatment modalities, I mean, we're open. This is a team that's had success now in launching these rare diseases. We've done it with specialty. We've had a long track record in clinical development. We're open to the therapeutic areas. Clearly, we'd like to leverage the large commercial infrastructure we have already now, which is around now [indiscernible] Sjogren's. There is some synergies potentially. Obviously, the majority of our prescribing base is cardiologists, but about 1/3 is actually rheumatologists would have a nice overlap with Sjorgren's. But beyond that, as far as business development is concerned, we're looking at neurology, we're looking obviously cardiology, orphan drug diseases anything where we believe that strong scientific rationale and a real commercial potential where we can drive value. You can't look at one half without looking at the other.

Geoffrey Meacham

analyst
#37

Yes. And even among the larger CAPS, right, you see big companies like Amgen going after more orphan-ish indications that are one click beyond, like, say, RA or psoriasis right? They're looking at orphan inflammatory conditions. Would you say that's a core skill though for you guys, cardiology and immunology. But I mean, the hurdle it must be a little higher if you expand in BD to go into another therapeutic area.

Sanj Patel

executive
#38

I mean, again, I think a good team can adapt really quickly. Yes, certainly, there's a lot of muscle memory around I&I, cardiology and rheumatology. We've done a lot of neurology in our past to have all said on genetic disease and nimble noninvasive metabolism, we can do those. But I think it's also a team that can expand and move into areas that we're not so familiar with. I wouldn't put oncology as one of those top things, but certainly, other areas whether it be we've done obviously dermatology in the past with vixarelimab and certainly looking at cardiology, neurology and I&I assets.

Geoffrey Meacham

analyst
#39

Okay. Makes sense. All right, guys. Thank you very much.

Sanj Patel

executive
#40

Thank you.

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