Lady of Leisure InvestCo Limited (WWW) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

August 3, 2021

New York Stock Exchange US Consumer Discretionary Textiles, Apparel and Luxury Goods m_and_a 37 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Greetings and welcome to the Wolverine Worldwide call to discuss the acquisition of women's apparel brand, Sweaty Betty. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce Brett Parent, Vice President, Strategy and Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin.

Brett Parent

executive
#2

Good morning and welcome to the call today to discuss Wolverine Worldwide's acquisition of the Sweaty Betty brand. On the call today are Blake Krueger, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Brendan Hoffman, our President; and Mike Stornant, our Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Earlier this morning, we issued a release announcing the company's acquisition of Sweaty Betty. The release is available on many news sites and can be viewed on our corporate website at wolverineworldwide.com. If you would prefer to have a copy of the news release sent to you directly, please call Allison Malkin at (203) 682-8225. In addition to the release, we also posted a presentation deck on our website for your reference supporting much of this morning's comments. Comments made during today's call include non-GAAP disclosures, which adjusts, for example, for the impacts of environmental and other related costs, net of cost recoveries, acquisition-related costs and costs related to the COVID-19 pandemic. These disclosures were reconciled in tables at the end of the presentation deck. I'd also remind you that statements describing the company's expectations, plans, predictions and projections, such as those regarding the company's outlook for fiscal year 2021 and beyond, growth opportunities and trends expected to affect the company's future performance, made during today's conference call are forward-looking statements under U.S. securities laws. As a result, we must caution you that there are a number of factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those described in the forward-looking statements. These important risk factors are identified in the company's SEC filings and in our press releases. With that being said, I'd now like to turn the call over to Blake Krueger.

Blake Krueger

executive
#3

Thanks, Brett. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us on short notice this morning. We're very excited to share that Wolverine Worldwide has completed the acquisition of Sweaty Betty, an incredible high-growth women's active and lifestyle apparel brand that will further boost the company's growth potential, bring a host of strategic competencies to our combined organization and deliver financial accretion in the first 12 months. As you know, we take a very disciplined approach to acquisitions, and Sweaty Betty checks off all of our strategic criteria. The brand offers a spectrum of growth opportunities in line with the tailwinds of prevailing consumer trends, especially in performance product category. Sweaty Betty's strength in direct-to-consumer channel also aligns perfectly with our focus here. Sweaty Betty is a unique opportunity and a wonderful strategic fit for our company. I'm especially excited about the global potential as Sweaty Betty is a vertically integrated brand and brings what I call a complete package that will quickly provide market leadership in a key segment for many of our global partners. The brand comes with a proven store design and concept, a tremendous online business with a wealth of digital assets and a DTC retail product flow. The fact that Sweaty Betty is located in London only a few minutes from our European and EMEA headquarters is an additional plus. Mike Stornant will provide additional detail on the transaction and its impact on our financial expectations in a few minutes. But first, Brendan Hoffman will share further insight on Sweaty Betty and the valuable strategic advantages resulting from its addition to our portfolio. Brendan?

Brendan Hoffman

executive
#4

Thanks, Blake. Our leadership team could not be more excited about adding the Sweaty Betty brand and its extremely talented team led by Julia Straus to the Wolverine Worldwide family. Sweaty Betty is a disruptive, fast-growing brand in the enviable premium women's activewear market. The total addressable global activewear market represents over $200 billion in revenue and is currently growing mid to high single digits, with accelerated growth in key international markets. Sweaty Betty's core market, focused on the premium women's activewear segment, is growing even faster, approaching double digit. This market segment is benefiting from several established macro trends, including consumer focus on health and wellness and casualization, which have helped spur accelerated growth for Merrell, Saucony and several of our other brands and are expected to continue. There is also an ongoing trend towards more premium product, incorporating higher-quality materials, cutting-edge innovation and design and sustainability. The confluence of all these powerful trends is contributing to Sweaty Betty's accelerated growth. And Sweaty Betty is taking market share within its competitive set, growing much faster than its core market. Since it was founded just over 20 years ago in London, Sweaty Betty has grown through a differentiated brand position and distinctive product offering. The brand designs and develops high-quality and innovative women's activewear, incorporating exceptional fit and fashion-forward patterns and colors. Sweaty Betty is an authentic, purpose-led brand focused on empowering women through fitness and beyond through its social media channels, in-store experiences, classes and events, charitable causes and more. Importantly, Sweaty Betty has brought this compelling combination of brand and product directly to consumers, fueling much of its growth through DTC with over 80% of its business in DTC channels, a significant majority of this in e-commerce. The team has invested in its digital capabilities and is driving impressive engagement online with its consumers, further strengthening our portfolio of digital competencies. The brand has developed a thoughtful and influential footprint of wholesale distribution as well with select partners like Nordstrom here in the U.S. This game plan has produced a highly relevant brand with strong brand equity and an aspirational, passionate consumer. Sweaty Betty's Net Promoter Score with consumers is well above market average in applicable markets. In addition, the Sweaty Betty consumer skews more affluent, spends considerably more on activewear than competitors' consumers and has a higher intent to purchase the brand in the future. Sweaty Betty has incredibly strong foothold in its home U.K. market and has only begun to accelerate its growth in key markets like the U.S. and China. This gives us the opportunity to leverage our robust U.S. presence and infrastructure to support Sweaty Betty's growth here and, as Blake stated, to utilize our global network of regional teams and partners to support expansion around the world. We also believe several of our brands will leverage the team's apparel expertise. Sweaty Betty has now design, fit and materialization in one of the fastest-growing apparel categories in the market. And we believe many of our brands, Merrell and Saucony in particular, will benefit from these capabilities. With this acquisition, we have simultaneously strengthened our brand's portfolio growth -- our brand's portfolio's growth profile, improved Sweaty Betty's already robust prospects for growth and significantly bolstered our strategic competencies, all while adding a tremendously talented team to the organization. Today, we have an even bigger performance business and a bigger DTC and e-commerce business. With that, I will hand it over to Mike to provide some of the financial details of the transaction and its impact. Mike?

Michael Stornant

executive
#5

Thanks, Brendan. First, I would like to echo Blake and Brendan's excitement. Our team has been diligent in our review of this opportunity for several months, and we are incredibly impressed with the Sweaty Betty team and the business' bright future. As Brendan mentioned, Sweaty Betty has recently generated considerable sales growth and EBITDA margin expansion. Revenue for the stub period of August through September is expected to be approximately $100 million. The transaction is expected to be accretive in earnings in year 1. To update the company's fiscal year 2021 outlook, including the impact of the acquisition, we now expect consolidated net sales in the range of $2.44 billion to $2.5 billion compared to the $2.34 billion to $2.4 billion pre-acquisition outlook shared last week during our earnings call. We now expect adjusted earnings per share of $2.24 to $2.34, an increase of $0.04 compared to last week's outlook. We believe the enterprise value of approximately $410 million is attractive with an implied multiple of approximately 16x estimated 2021 adjusted EBITDA. Due to our very healthy balance sheet, our strong cash flow generation and the incremental EBITDA contribution during the stub period, we now expect year-end net leverage, as defined by the company's credit facility, to be less than 2.2x. I will now turn the call back over to the operator to open it up for questions. Operator?

Operator

operator
#6

[Operator Instructions] Our first questions come from the line of Jim Duffy with Stifel.

Jim Duffy

analyst
#7

Congratulations to the team on this deal. Congratulations to the Sweaty Betty team as well. Can you guys help us some with the revenue history here? It's difficult to tell historical growth rates from the slides. What did the growth trajectory look like pre-COVID? How does the assumed $250 million run rate for '21 compare to '19 as a baseline? And then what regions have been driving the growth? Is the U.K. business still growing? Just give us a feel for the growth composition.

Michael Stornant

executive
#8

Yes. The growth rate on this business has been really strong double digits for the last 4 years or so, Jim. And we're -- in 2021, we're seeing over 35% growth versus the 2019 baseline. So it's been a strong acceleration. And I would say pre COVID, we saw those trends begin. And as far as the regional growth is concerned, it's been really strong as it relates to the -- their home base in the U.K. but also as they started to expand into the U.S. market a little bit. So the opportunity there for that continued double-digit growth potential is quite strong and, obviously, part of the reason we've pursued this opportunity.

Jim Duffy

analyst
#9

And if you guys had to list in terms of your order of excitement the growth opportunities for the business, how would you start that list?

Blake Krueger

executive
#10

Well, I personally give this a 9.37, I guess. So that's high on my excitement list for sure. See -- yes, when you look at the international opportunity and, for example, our own markets and distributor markets around the world, Sweaty Betty really kind of comes with a complete package, right? Vertically integrated, proven store design and financial impact. 70% of their business is e-com and digital, and they have tremendous digital assets. And most importantly, their product flow is on a DTC basis, a continuous flow of product to their store. So this brand grew up dialoguing with their consumers every day, dealing with their -- directly with their consumers every day. So we think the category opportunity is special. And certainly, the management team is terrific. And the growth for this brand around the world, especially with our help, we're very excited about.

Brendan Hoffman

executive
#11

Yes. Jim, just to add on to that. I mean I get excited about this 3 different ways. One, if we were just the financial sponsor of Sweaty Betty, we love the trajectory they're on. They've more than doubled their business since 2019. So to that alone there, we think it's a great value. Then you add, as Blake said, what we can lean in to help them on, whether it's adding footwear to their assortment; whether it's helping them in the U.S. reenter the market from a brick-and-mortar standpoint; and of course, our expertise around the world. And then maybe last but certainly not least, what they're going to do to us in terms of leveraging their apparel expertise on our brands. We mentioned it's Saucony, Merrell. I will tell you my Keds team has already reached out: Can we talk to them about apparel? Likewise, they're digitally native and digitally first mindset and the way they message the customer, flow product, as Blake said, and collect data and utilize that data. So I think all 3 of -- any 1 of those things would make this a great deal. Combined, I think, as Blake said, it's a 10.

Jim Duffy

analyst
#12

Great. That's exciting guys. Last one, Mike. Should we assume, given the direct-to-consumer nature of the model, that it's gross margin accretive?

Michael Stornant

executive
#13

It is, yes, very high gross margin. And I'd add even higher than the strong rates we're seeing in our existing portfolio of brands.

Operator

operator
#14

Our next questions come from the line of Jonathan Komp with Baird.

Jonathan Komp

analyst
#15

I guess, first, if you can maybe just expand a little bit more. When you look at the competitive set of some of the larger global peers, maybe just more on what you view as the key differentiators for Sweaty Betty versus some of those? And then I don't know if you're willing to share or have metrics around brand awareness or market share in the home market versus some of the newer markets like the U.S. or in Asia.

Brendan Hoffman

executive
#16

Yes. I think when you talk about the big competitor in this space, I think Sweaty Betty has distinguished itself. It's -- it uses a lot of color, a lot of patterns. It's a lot more exciting, very feminine. Also, the end users are different. They have ski, they have swim, they have biking. So I think there's a lot of different ways. And then I think the other piece, we're really excited with their whole management team, including their Chief Product Officer, who joins them from -- a couple of years back from the contemporary market. And you can see that in the way they've evolved their product to be beyond just performance activewear but to be more lifestyle, which we think nails the way the trends are moving with everyone going back to work but still wanting to stay very comfortable. So I think there's a lot of ways this brand differentiates itself.

Jonathan Komp

analyst
#17

And any perspective on awareness or market share levels in the U.K. versus globally?

Brendan Hoffman

executive
#18

Well, it's clearly much higher in the U.K. I mean that's for sure. But I think it just shows the opportunity to grow their brand worldwide. They've already entered China -- or Hong Kong, I should say, and Singapore with some stores. They used to be here in the U.S. in gateway markets. And quite frankly, they took advantage of the pandemic and negotiated out of those leases. So the opportunity to start with a blank slate now with a brand that has established itself here in the U.S. through e-commerce. And also the strategic partnership I mentioned with Nordstrom. And I was in the New York City Nordstrom store yesterday, and they have the best space on the fifth floor. So they're getting great exposure there. So it's one of the things Julia, Blake and I have spoken about, is quickly leaning into U.S. real estate to add brick-and-mortar in gateway markets, then supercharge the overall direct-to-consumer business.

Jonathan Komp

analyst
#19

Okay. Great. And then any thoughts to providing some framework how we should think about longer-term sales opportunity or growth rates and the EBITDA profitability that we should expect for this business?

Michael Stornant

executive
#20

Yes. I think the outlook for the brand is, as I said before, very, very positive. The upside growth rates here that we're -- that we've modeled out are very strong, double-digit growth rates because they -- we see the opportunities that Brendan just mentioned, the new markets that they're entering certainly here in the U.S., where we think there's a tremendous opportunity, and then some of the key markets around the world, including China. Today, the EBITDA margin reflects the investment profile of the business as they've -- in that almost 40% or 40%-plus CAGR over the last several years. And they're investing in these new markets that we referred to, et cetera. So the expansion in EBITDA margin with, I think, the benefit of our centers of excellence and support on the back office side of things is definitely there, John. Our outlook for next year, for instance, would be for that EBITDA margin to improve. We would expect EPS benefit on the accretion side to be at least $0.15, maybe as high as $0.20 next year. So -- and that's still with a very strong investment profile in the overhead structure. But really, really healthy gross margin for this business and great potential for growth and I'm certainly excited about those 2 options.

Jonathan Komp

analyst
#21

And that $0.15 to $0.20 for next year, is that incremental to the $0.04 this year? Or is that in total adding to 2022?

Michael Stornant

executive
#22

That would be in total and factoring in all the other costs related to the deal as well as any integration costs, et cetera.

Operator

operator
#23

Our next questions come from the line of Erinn Murphy with Piper Sandler.

Erinn Murphy

analyst
#24

Just a couple for me. First, just on the genesis of the conversations with Sweaty Betty and L Catterton. Can you just share a little bit more about how competitive the process was? Who else was at the table? And maybe just how long this has been in the works.

Brendan Hoffman

executive
#25

It was a fair -- go ahead, Blake.

Blake Krueger

executive
#26

I mean it's a brand we've been looking at for several years, and it's always had our interest. The new management team starting about 3 years ago really changed the trajectory of the business for the better L Catterton, I assume, ran a robust process, and we felt very fortunate to come out the winner. Certainly, the management team was rooting for us.

Brendan Hoffman

executive
#27

Yes.

Erinn Murphy

analyst
#28

Great. No, that's good to hear. And then -- just on -- I was looking at Slide 15, and it looks like the NPS score in the U.K. is lower than that of the U.S. Could you just share why you think that is just given the dominance that the brand already has in the U.K.?

Brendan Hoffman

executive
#29

Yes. We'll have to get back to you on that. I don't have a quick answer on the comparative there. We just -- overall, we're very impressed with their Net Promoter Scores around the world.

Erinn Murphy

analyst
#30

Okay. Got it. And then maybe just a little bit more. In your prepared remarks, you talked about just leveraging some of their capabilities with Merrell and Saucony if you think about women's in particular. Can you just -- I know it's very early days given that this just closed yesterday. But kind of how you're thinking about integrating this within the portfolio. And anything else we need to be mindful of on the supply chain as well?

Brendan Hoffman

executive
#31

Well, I think the nice thing here is this was a stand-alone business yesterday, and it's not a carve-out like we've done in the past. So there's the luxury of time to figure out how to do it strategically. And Blake mentioned that there are already collaborations going on between the 2 companies unbeknownst to anyone in this process, which shows the connection and relationship there. And I think, first and foremost, we want to see how they can lean in, as I mentioned, with apparel in the brands I mentioned and how we can help them with footwear. And then there are just some obvious things, Erinn. We're a $2.5 billion, $2.4 billion company this year. We have leverage and economies of scale that they can immediately take advantage of and, in talking to Julia and her team, being able to relate, as you know, my background coming from a mono brand of about that size, the luxury of having a infrastructure like Walgreens is able to bring. They're like kids and candy shop, just looking to see, what can we leverage on to -- within our global operations group. So I'm going over next week to spend time with the team and start that process of the onboarding and the back-and-forth collaboration. Are you a fan of the brand?

Erinn Murphy

analyst
#32

Yes. I have seen it actually. They have really good displays actually in the U.K., at Harrods in particular. So I'd say that's where I've seen it most prominently and well displayed.

Brendan Hoffman

executive
#33

Great.

Operator

operator
#34

Our next questions come from the line of Mitch Kummetz with Pivotal Research.

Mitchel Kummetz

analyst
#35

Could you maybe speak to the seasonality? I guess I'm a little surprised the stub period isn't higher. I would have just thought that Q4 would be an outsized quarter. So is there really no seasonality in this business? Or maybe can you talk about the $100 million over the third and fourth quarters?

Michael Stornant

executive
#36

Actually, the first part of the year is a little stronger period for this particular -- for the brand. I wouldn't say it's highly seasonal business per se. But I think what we've seen here is stronger revenue growth -- or stronger revenue performance in the first 6 or 7 months of the year. And I think that's reflected in the overall mix that we shared.

Mitchel Kummetz

analyst
#37

Okay. That's helpful. And then $250 million. Obviously, they're doing this deal. What are their biggest needs? And what is it that you guys really bring to the table? Is it systems analytics? Kind of how do you see that?

Blake Krueger

executive
#38

Yes. I would say it's all the backroom operations that you listed. But I think it's our U.S. expertise, quite honestly, and how strong our brands are here in the United States and our connections and our business affiliations. And then especially on the international front, it's the global potential here. They can bring kind of a complete package to our international distributors, and that's something that very few brands can with digital assets, a store design and a retail product flow.

Brendan Hoffman

executive
#39

And Blake and I are already getting notes from our partners around the world, how excited they are about this.

Mitchel Kummetz

analyst
#40

Okay. And then I guess lastly, I don't know if it was in the -- I didn't see it in the slides or the press release. But you mentioned the opportunity to add real estate. Can you tell us what the store footprint looks like and kind of what the geographical split is of that? Is it primarily in the U.K.?

Brendan Hoffman

executive
#41

Right now, it's almost exclusively the U.K. They have a couple of stores in Hong Kong and Singapore, but I think there's about 65 stores in the U.K. But the opportunity to do it here in the U.S., again, they were here in the right locations. They just had really high occupancy costs given when they had entered into those stores. So Julia and the team did an amazing job negotiating their ways out and clearing the decks for us and now to be able to go back. And we all know there's lots of vacancy out there. And I've already got hit up from a couple of the big landlords wanting to chat, so I think there'll be no lack of opportunities at great opportunistic pro formas for both us and the landlords.

Operator

operator
#42

Our next questions come from the line of Dana Telsey with Telsey Advisory Group.

Dana Telsey

analyst
#43

Congratulations on the acquisition. As you think about Sweaty Betty and it's a women's offering, obviously, compared to a lot of the men's stuff that you guys have, the apparel merchant expertise, how are they staffed? Any additions or enhancements that you look at making there? When do you see category expansion into footwear coming into play? And then how would you differentiate Sweaty Betty with the -- with lululemon? How do you think of the difference between the 2?

Brendan Hoffman

executive
#44

Well, as I mentioned, we've been really impressed with the team we've met, and we've met -- we've gone pretty deep into the organization. Their head of product, as I mentioned, came from the contemporary world. So she's already skewing them, expanding their elasticity into more of a lifestyle brand, which we think is wonderful. What were the other [indiscernible]?

Blake Krueger

executive
#45

Yes. I mean the differentiation point, I would say, Dana, that it always comes down to product, product, product, right? And if you look at their fit, their graphics, their design, their colors, their expansion, they're not -- they started out, obviously, in bottoms, but that's been expanded over the years to mid-layers and outerwear and bras and tops, a pretty spectacular product line and a great product team.

Brendan Hoffman

executive
#46

That they think is multi-sport, not just yoga. That -- as we've gone through with them, they have run, they have cycling, they have ski, they have swim. So I think it's more robust than lulu's.

Dana Telsey

analyst
#47

Got it. And as you think about the geographic expansion, what are you most excited about? I saw they launched on Tmall this past year. How do you see their geographic expansion growing?

Brendan Hoffman

executive
#48

Again, I mentioned the U.S. is an obvious one because of their e-commerce strength and the opportunity, as I just mentioned, to expand brick-and-mortar, which we know will supercharge their e-commerce business. Excited that they've put their toe into China. And we were a few years ahead of them with our Saucony and Merrell JV, so we will look there to see how we can help accelerate that. And then again, around the world, Blake has mentioned our history with partners around the world and our expertise there. And as I just mentioned, we're already starting to get notes from our partners around the world with their enthusiasm for what Sweaty Betty can mean.

Dana Telsey

analyst
#49

Terrific. And just lastly, where do they source most of their product?

Brendan Hoffman

executive
#50

Asia. Southeast Asia.

Operator

operator
#51

Our next questions come from the line of Susan Anderson with B. Riley.

Susan Anderson

analyst
#52

Congratulations on the acquisition. I wanted to maybe follow up on the margins. I think you said the gross margin was accretive. I think just based on the math, maybe the EBITDA is a little bit lower than what you're forecasting for your core this year. So I'm assuming SG&A is a bit higher percent. So I'm curious if maybe that can come down closer towards your average. Or are you expecting to spend a little bit more as you ramp the brand and maybe ramp up marketing there?

Michael Stornant

executive
#53

Yes. I think it's absolutely in an investment mode right now, Susan. But you characterized it correctly. The gross margins are very strong. Yes, it's an affluent, higher-priced product, which is helpful to the gross margin in a digital -- or a direct vertical model. And the SG&A investments right now are around these emerging markets and driving brand awareness in those new markets as well as just adding the team and resources necessary to catch up to the growth that's happening in the business. So yes, we would expect over time that, that would normalize closer to our normal op margin rates. But right now, given the growth profile of the business, we like the investment efforts that we're making there.

Susan Anderson

analyst
#54

Great. And then just on the product offerings, it sounds like Sweaty Betty already has kind of a whole host of product offerings, but maybe there's opportunity. I think footwear was highlighted in your presentation. Maybe if you could talk about just a time line potentially of rolling out some more product offerings. And then also, I'm not sure if I missed this, but your thoughts around the mix of digital to retail to wholesale longer term.

Blake Krueger

executive
#55

Yes. I would say on the product offerings, I think some of that will occur fairly quickly next year, probably more on the collaboration front versus a stand-alone Sweaty Betty footwear line, for example. So the collaboration opportunities across Merrell, Saucony and a few of our other brands are pretty dramatic. And what was the second part? The mix. I think the mix in the direct-to-consumer and digital components of that.

Brendan Hoffman

executive
#56

Yes. [indiscernible] that.

Blake Krueger

executive
#57

Yes. I think we're thrilled that they're the -- sort of dominant in DTC and led by e-commerce. But as I've said a few times, the opportunity to open up brick-and-mortar strategically will only supercharge that. And then here in the U.S., we're thrilled with the strategic partnership they have with Nordstrom. And I just got a text from a senior executive in Nordstrom saying how they're thrilled they are with the partnership. So I think they are very well situated in the multiple channels.

Operator

operator
#58

Our next questions come from the line of Laurent Vasilescu with Exane BNP.

Laurent Vasilescu

analyst
#59

Congrats on the acquisition. Mike, I have a couple of questions here on the guidance for EPS, $0.04, which I think would imply about $4 million of EBIT on $100 million of revenues. I think that would obviously imply 4% operating margin. Is that the right way to think about it? And why does the transaction multiple apply a 10% EBITDA margin? Is there that much D&A that we should consider for this business?

Michael Stornant

executive
#60

No. There's some additional costs in that $0.04 guidance, including the interest costs and some of the integration costs that we're going to incur this year. But no, your assumption about operating margin -- or EBITDA margin at that 10% range-plus is accurate, Laurent. But of course, they include some of those incremental costs that we're incurring as part of the deal.

Laurent Vasilescu

analyst
#61

Okay. That's helpful. And then slide -- I appreciate the slides. Slides 8 and 13 would imply that your stores represent about 10% of revenues. So the simple math, right, $25 million across 65 stores. Can you talk about the sales density of these stores? I mean are they small format? Are there -- is there an opportunity to improve the margin in that business because maybe it's because of COVID. Any thoughts on the store productivity?

Brendan Hoffman

executive
#62

Yes. I mean, Laurent, I mean, that -- I think the last thing. I mean COVID has obviously reduced the productivity of these stores. But I think the square footage, they've done a great job being very efficient with the square footage. Having seen the ones in the U.S. and pictures of the ones in the U.K., I think they're -- they've nailed the format. And as people start getting back out into the stores, we'll see that number dramatically increase. So very comfortable and very impressed with how they are rolling out their store footprint.

Laurent Vasilescu

analyst
#63

Very helpful. And then last question. I think going back to last week's call, I think it was talked about that next year, we should anticipate double-digit growth. I think you've called out during the Q&A session that, that's organic. Is that still the right way to think about it, that the Sweaty Betty acquisition would be added to that?

Michael Stornant

executive
#64

That's correct. That's correct.

Brendan Hoffman

executive
#65

Yes.

Michael Stornant

executive
#66

Yes.

Operator

operator
#67

Our next questions come from the line of Jay Sole with UBS.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#68

This is [ Maurice ] [indiscernible] on behalf of Jay Sole. The first thing I just wanted to understand, if you could provide a little bit of context on the sales growth implied given this year's forecast versus 2019 and 2020. I just wanted to confirm those numbers. And just thinking about the way you're going to roll out the brand in the U.S. and abroad, will that continue to be very focused on direct-to-consumer? And if that is the case, would that mean like more through stores or e-commerce? Just trying to understand that.

Michael Stornant

executive
#69

Yes. On the growth rate, again, against the 2019 base, growth is over 120% in that 2-year stack. So really healthy growth.

Blake Krueger

executive
#70

I think on the international front, virtually all of our international distributors, for example, operate a DTC business. They may have some very solid wholesale businesses in their countries and markets. But fundamentally, they're a store and digital DTC-driven operation. So an opportunity like Sweaty Betty is really exciting for them.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#71

Okay. And then in terms of -- very quickly on operating margin opportunities. I mean is there like a target that you guys have in mind? I mean I know you didn't disclose the operating margin. But even on an EBITDA margin basis, any thoughts on that?

Michael Stornant

executive
#72

Really, we haven't stated a target. I mean, again, we're continuing -- we see the investment kind of profile of this business right now to be where it should be. We're going to continue to fuel that and support that. And we would expect over time that just like with the rest of our portfolio, the benefits of our operating model and our back office support structure will benefit the contribution that the Sweaty Betty business can make to the portfolio. It's well positioned to do that. It's a stand-alone business that's not going to require a high degree of integration effort or cost over the next 12 to 18 months. There's just a lot of opportunities for that team now to be able to focus on growing the business and for us here at the company to support them in doing that.

Operator

operator
#73

There are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the call back over to management for any closing remarks.

Brett Parent

executive
#74

On behalf of Wolverine Worldwide, I'd like to thank you for joining us today. As a reminder, our conference call replay is available on our website at wolverineworldwide.com. The replay will be available until September 3, 2021. Thank you and have a good day.

Operator

operator
#75

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