Lassila & Tikanoja Oyj (LT5.SG) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
August 7, 2025
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Eero Hautaniemi
executiveGood morning, and welcome to Lassila & Tikanoja earnings release for the first half of 2025. We have a little bit of a special combo here today with me. So I have Joni Sorsanen, our CFO; and then Antti Niitynpää, Head of our Facility Services business here with me today.
Joni Sorsanen
executiveGood morning.
Antti Niitynpaa
executiveGood morning.
Eero Hautaniemi
executiveYes. Well done. Okay. So today, we have 2 sections in our presentation. First, we will go through normal earnings release, and we will have our first Q&A session after that. And then the second section or second half of the presentation will be focused on the partial demerger process and a little bit of the description of the new companies. And then there will be another Q&A session after that section. So 2 sessions. So -- and I will stop then after the normal earnings release. Good. But let's go and then Joni and Antti will join me for their sections of the presentation. So a few highlights from the first half of 2025. We had very solid performance in Circular Economy and very nice improvement in Facility Services, Finland. Strong sustainability performance. Our customer satisfaction reached all-time high NPS, so very good performance there. And then obviously, the big news of today that our Board of Directors approved the demerger plan to separate the Circular Economy Business operations into new publicly listed company. But I will get back to all of this later in the presentation. Net sales. Overall, our net sales declined still in second quarter, but less than in Q1. And after the first 6 months, we are some 3% behind previous year. Reasons are more or less the same as they were in the first quarter. In Circular Economy, the depressed general economic situation in Finland affected us, especially in construction sector. In Facility Services Finland, lower contract portfolio due to discontinuation of the loss-making contracts. And in Facility Services Sweden, we actually did see sales growth, and that was due to the new customer contracts we got at the end of last year and also a slight support from a stronger Swedish krone, but mainly the growth really came from -- through these new customer contracts. When it comes to adjusted operating profit, overall, a very strong performance for the whole company. Our adjusted operating profit was EUR 17.6 million this year compared to EUR 12.7 million a year ago. So almost a EUR 5 million improvement meaning close to 40% improvement on the comparison period. As I said, a very stable performance in Circular Economy and main improvement came from Facility Services Finland, but also Sweden improved even though it still was loss-making in the first half of this year. If we take a little longer perspective and look at the development from the past 5 years, we can see that the performance in Circular Economy has been very stable, whereas in Facility Services, we can now see that the turnaround is actually taking place as we have indicated earlier. Last 12 months end of June already shows that the adjusted EBIT was EUR 8 million, which is 2.3% in the Facility Services and clearly looking much better than in the past years. Then I'll move on to the segment information. And in Circular Economy business, as I said, solid performance despite the challenging conditions and the relative profitability remained stable year-on-year. Our efficiency improvement measures were visible in the profitability. This also means that we were able to defend our margins, and this is obviously very important because hopefully, we will see some growth in the market also in the future, and it is important to be able to sort of maintain the price level. Annual maintenance breaks in industrial sector were carried out as planned and resourcing was successful. In hazardous waste business, the performance was very much in line with the comparison period. The weak economic situation did affect our environmental construction business. We got less land masses than earlier. But I'm really happy to see that we have been quite successful with our project sales. We also mentioned in our interim report that there is a very large project that we are doing for Boliden Harjavalta that will continue quite some while from here on, but also in for -- or in other projects, we have been quite successful. So our project portfolio in environmental construction looks very promising. In Facility Services Finland, strong profitability improvement in January-June. And the revenue decrease came in the first quarter because of the mild winter, but also in the -- because of the planned optimization of our contract portfolio. The demand for our digital services has remained strong, and we expect that to remain strong in the future. It obviously brings growth by itself. But then more importantly, it also increases our customer loyalty and helps us to sell also the basic services. So we're very happy with the development of our new digital services. Our efficiency measures continued successfully, as you can see from the numbers. And especially this was the case in property maintenance. Obviously, these are sort of long-term programs, and we will continue to execute these programs. And I'm optimistic that we can see even better profitability in Facility Services in the future. Already, the improvement is almost a little over EUR 4 million, which is more than 200% over the previous year. And our adjusted operating margin now after the first 6 months of this year was 5.4%, which is on a good level even compared to our peers. In Facility Services Sweden, the turnaround is happening. We are on the right path, but the operations were still loss-making in the first 6 months. We will continue our efforts. And based on these new customer contracts and the sort of ongoing efficiency programs, I am optimistic that we will see improvement in the Facility Services Sweden in the second half of this year. One thing that is behind in the good performance, especially in the Circular Economy is the fact that our fixed cost base has decreased due to the active efforts that we have done. And the pace is approximately EUR 1 million per quarter. And this was despite the fact that we had about EUR 0.5 million extra cost in Circular Economy due to the rollout of our ERP system. We expect that there will be about the same amount in the second half of this year. We have rolled out about 2/3 of our sites into the ERP system, so 1/3 left. But obviously, there is still some bug fixing and other things to do. So -- that's why we expect there will be still some extra cost and extra personnel in the second half of this year. Our sustainability work has also been successful and perhaps a couple of highlights from the first 6 months. Our own carbon footprint decreased by 22% compared to 2024, similar period, and this is excellent achievement, and it is because of the very sort of systematic development we have done now for several years. We have replaced some of our diesel fleet with biogas trucks. We have further increased our use of biodiesel. And also, we have trained our personnel to drive more economically. And all of this is supporting in us in achieving this target. Also, the customer satisfaction reached all-time high, as I said in the beginning already, and our NPS was 41 this spring, which is really good. Now I think it is Joni's turn to go through the financials.
Joni Sorsanen
executiveThank you, Eero. Yes, as Eero already mentioned, the company had a strong first half of 2025. And as a result of strengthening profitability and improved cash flow, we can report improving key financial metrics almost across the board. Also, we can see at the end of the second quarter, strong financial position and decrease in net interest-bearing debt compared to June 2024. In June, we also refinanced part of our long-term debt, and I will provide details later in the presentation. We also prepared ourselves for the demerger that was announced today as part of this refinancing process. All right. Starting with net working capital. We fell short of previous year's level in net working capital amounting to minus EUR 29 million at the end of second quarter. That is a EUR 4 million change year-on-year. And if we look at the performance in the first half of '25, we can see that net working capital has been tied up by EUR 17 million compared to EUR 14 million in previous year. And looking at our segments, we can see that Facility Services in total, so combining Finland and Sweden performed in a stable manner compared to previous year. While in Circular Economy, we can see net working capital tying up as a result of normal seasonal variation. And as you can see from the graph, we expect net working capital to follow the annual pattern or quarterly pattern we have seen in previous years. So we expect net working capital to be released towards the end of the year. Capital expenditure was somewhat below previous year. However, the composition of capital expenditure was somewhat different compared to previous year. In June 2025, we completed the acquisition of Stena Recycling's pallet business, which was investment of approximately EUR 8 million. Looking at organic investments, we can see a decrease of more than EUR 7 million year-on-year. And here, we can clearly see the decrease in ICT-related investments. And related to this ERP rollout, it's good to note just like Eero already mentioned that now we are booking the rollout costs as operating costs instead of capitalizing them. And we have also, during the quarter, started the amortization of this ERP investment. So that's why our depreciation and amortization expected to increase going forward. Cash flow-wise, free cash flow improved by EUR 6 million compared to H1 '24. We can see that operating cash flow was somewhat below previous year in the first 6 months, mainly as a result of change in net working capital explained previously. However, investments were on a lower level compared to previous year, and that's why, as already noted, January-June cash flow somewhat above previous year. On a rolling 12-month basis, we can see that free cash flow at the end of June '25 was around EUR 47 million compared to EUR 41 million at the end of 2024. Financial position remained strong at the end of the second quarter. Looking at gearing development, we can see that the paid out dividends in April and also the acquisition of this pallet business affected gearing at the end of the second quarter. However, we can see a slight improvement compared to end of Q2 '24. Net interest-bearing debt amounted to EUR 178 million, at the end of the second quarter. That is a decrease of almost EUR 17 million year-on-year. And today, we have announced the demerger plan according to which this EUR 178 million would be divided between Luotea, which is the facility services company and New Lassila & Tikanoja company so that Luotea would be almost net debt free, while the Circular Economy Company, i.e., New Lassila & Tikanoja would carry EUR 174 million out of this net interest-bearing debt of EUR 178 million. But more information on the balance sheet split can be found from the demerger plan announced today. As I already noted, we refinanced part of our long-term debt in June. And first part of the refinancing was this term loan of EUR 40 million, which was set to mature in Q2 '26. And now according to this new agreement, which is 3 years plus 2-year extension option, we are moving the EUR 40 million term loan to mature in 2030, assuming that the 2-year extension option will be utilized. Secondly, we agreed revolving credit facilities for both companies. And if the demerger takes place, New Lassila & Tikanoja would have a revolving credit facility of EUR 40 million, while Luotea would have similar type of facility, but the amount would be EUR 10 million. Also, we have today announced the consent solicitation process for our outstanding notes amounting to EUR 75 million. And in the demerger process, we have prepared ourselves through a bridge facility of EUR 80 million if the note holders wish to exercise their right to redeem their bond-holding through demerger put option. And finally, if we use this bridge facility of EUR 80 million, that will be automatically converted into this EUR 35 million term loan. And also want to highlight here that as we stated in Q1 result disclosure, our aim is to move these outstanding notes to New Lassila & Tikanoja, which is the Circular Economy Company. More information on the consent solicitation process can be found from the separate stock exchange release. Return on capital employed continued to improve and amounting to 4.9% at the end of the second quarter. It's good to note that in the reported return on capital employed, the outcome is affected by year-end '24 goodwill impairment, for example. So here, we have also calculated the adjusted return on capital employed, assuming that these items affecting comparative would have not taken place. And there, we can see that adjusted return on capital employed amounted to 11.9% at the end of the second quarter. Segment-wise, both Circular Economy business and especially Facility Services Finland business can report improving return on capital, especially Facility Services Finland, reporting strong return on capital employed development in June, amounting to 78% already. And finally, we can report strong earnings per share growth, EUR 0.30 in January-June compared to EUR 0.16 in January-June last year, almost doubling year-on-year. And net free cash flow per share in the first half, EUR 0.06 compared to minus EUR 0.10 at the end of -- or in H1 '25. Okay. This was the financing section, and then Eero will continue with guidance.
Eero Hautaniemi
executiveYes. Don't run away Joni, if there is the Q&A session. So...
Joni Sorsanen
executiveCorrect.
Eero Hautaniemi
executiveYes. Our outlook for 2025 remains unchanged. So the net sales 2025 are estimated to be at the same level as in previous year and adjusted operating profit is estimated to be at the same level or better compared to the previous year. But -- as I said, we stop here now and open the lines for your questions regarding the first half report of 2025. And after this session, then we will focus on the demerger.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] The next question comes from Nikko Ruokangas from SEB.
Nikko Ruokangas
analystThis is Nikko Ruokangas from SEB. I have 4 questions in this part of the presentation, and I'll go one by one. But I'll start with the guidance. So you keep the guidance unchanged despite being EUR 5 million ahead of '24 in adjusted EBIT in H1. So what is the reason for not raising the lower end of the guidance range and still keeping the possibility of flat EBIT this year?
Eero Hautaniemi
executiveGood question. And obviously, there was quite some consideration that we put into this outlook. As you said, the first half performance was clearly better than a year ago. The main reason is that we have a strong seasonality in our business. And typically, the third quarter is by far the largest. And in general, around 2/3 of the profit comes in the second half of the year. And this fact, combined with the, let's say, recent turbulence and uncertainty in the market led us to keep the outlook unchanged for now. But obviously, as we get into the third quarter, if there are indications as we hope that the good development continues remainder of 2025, we will then reconsider and revisit the outlook.
Nikko Ruokangas
analystOkay. So that we don't need to read this as that you would have seen a negative development in your kind of outlook, but more than H1 -- H2 is just a bit in terms of seasonality?
Eero Hautaniemi
executiveYes, that is the main reason.
Nikko Ruokangas
analystYes. Okay. Then on Circular Economy development in Q2, and then also maybe referring back to last year a bit. So last year, in Q2, you had several projects normally taking place in Q3 and then they took place in Q2. So how does the seasonal pattern in Q2 and Q3 this year look compared to last year?
Eero Hautaniemi
executiveYes. Let's say that there has been more changes in the planned maintenance breaks this year than last year. And as I'm sure you have seen, there are some difficult times when it comes, especially the pulp and paper industry and in general, the sort of the process industry. But also in mining sector, there has been, on one hand, the demand for gold has been extremely high. And then on the other hand, there are perhaps other kind of development in other raw materials. So there has been uncertainty in the market that has led into changes of the scope and timing of some of the maintenance breaks. So this is a long answer. But the conclusion is that in big picture, it is not very different, but there is perhaps a little bit more uncertainty regarding the timing of these maintenance breaks.
Nikko Ruokangas
analystAll right. So kind of that did not at least too much support your earnings year-on-year compared to last year?
Eero Hautaniemi
executiveCan you repeat the question?
Nikko Ruokangas
analystSo kind of the timing in Q2 this year wasn't significant explaining factor in supporting the earnings this year versus last year?
Eero Hautaniemi
executiveNo, I think the -- how it sort of played out this year was that maybe we did get a little bit more maintenance breaks in Q2 this year than we originally expected. But this year wasn't significantly different compared to last year is perhaps what you are after.
Nikko Ruokangas
analystYes. That explains. Then the Facility Services Finland, where you have had very strong profitability improvement, as you indicated. And you are now at 6% rolling adjusted EBIT margin already. So you explained several factors there supporting the development. But do you kind of still think that there is room to improve? Or was there something specifically good in this Q2?
Eero Hautaniemi
executiveNo, there wasn't anything specifically good in this Q2. This is a result of the systematic work we have done now for several years. And it just takes long time before we kind of get everything implemented and working as we have planned. And I see that there is still potential even though performance has improved in property maintenance, but there is still room for further improvement in property maintenance. So it looks quite good right now.
Nikko Ruokangas
analystAll right. Then last question from me in this part of the Q&A. So you said that the fixed costs have decreased EUR 2 million in H1 compared to last year and that similar amount will be also expected in H2. So do you mean that the run rate improvement in '25 should be EUR 2 million or EUR 4 million?
Eero Hautaniemi
executiveNo. What I was referring to, and I apologize being unclear. What I referred to was that we expect to have EUR 0.5 million extra costs because of the rollout of ERP systems also in the second half. Our efficiency measures have resulted in a reduction of our fixed costs by approximately EUR 2 million in the first 6 months, but that didn't say that it would continue in the same way in the second half. But now that you brought up the question, I'd say that there is still a good chance that we will see a reduction in our fixed costs. But at the same time, we have to remember that the comparison period second half of last year, we already had some of these measures in place. So perhaps it is not quite that much, but we will see.
Operator
operatorThere are no more questions at this time. So I hand the conference back to the speakers for any closing comments.
Eero Hautaniemi
executiveDid we have any questions online?
Unknown Executive
executiveYes, we have. Rauli Juva from Inderes has sent 2 questions. First one, out of Facility Services Sweden improved year-on-year. The losses have been steadily around EUR 1.5 million for several quarters. Why hasn't there been more improvement? And what makes you confident H2 will be better?
Eero Hautaniemi
executiveYes. Well, the main reason is that I have visibility to the things that we have done. And we have done a lot of different measures, and I can see from other indicators than sort of looking at the financials that forward-looking indicators that we are on the right track, but also the fact that there is similar seasonality in Sweden as we have in Finland that third quarter is typically better than other quarters. So I am confident that we will see improvement. But also in the first half, we did have EUR 1.5 million improvement year-on-year, which is obviously not enough, but the direction is right.
Unknown Executive
executiveAnd then second question, you are clearly ahead of last year in adjusted EBIT for H1. And comments regarding Facility Services suggests rather improving than weakening H2. Given this, what would need to happen that the full year adjusted EBIT would be only in line with 2024, which is the low end of your guidance?
Eero Hautaniemi
executiveYes. I think I already answered this question when Nikko asked the same question. So I probably won't repeat the answer in sake of saving some time. And if probably you want to get back to this, please feel free to give us a call. But thank you for the questions.
Eero Hautaniemi
executiveGood. Then we move on to the second part of our webcast, and that is the partial demerger. And the background here is that we updated our strategy in end of 2023 when we said that we would focus in Circular Economy business and start a strategic review on the Facility Services business. Now at the end of '24, we concluded that we will focus on partial demerger because the analysis showed that this would, in the best possible way, maximize the shareholder value. And now I'm pleased to share the process from here to the actual demerger if our EGM so decides in early December. So our Board has approved the demerger plan, and it has been published today as we have preferred several times, and I encourage you to look into it because it includes a lot of very useful information. Our plan here today is to go through sort of the highlights of the demerger plan, but it is a pretty long document. So obviously, we can't cover everything. And if the EGM decides favorably on this partial demerger, then the listing of New Lassila & Tikanoja would take place in the beginning of January 2026. So what does this mean to the current shareholders of Lassila & Tikanoja? They would have right after demerger, 100% ownership in both New Lassila & Tikanoja and Luotea Company, which is the name of the new facility services company. And Antti Niitynpää will tell you more about Luotea in just a moment. Our key major shareholders representing 27.6% of the shares have committed to support the demerger in EGM. Then obviously, as I said, the EGM has the final say on this partial demerger. We did announce the CEOs and CFOs or proposed CEOs and CFOs of these new companies already in June. And now as a part of this demerger plan, we have published the composition or proposed composition of the Board of Directors for both of these companies. And when I look at the proposed Boards, I'm happy to say that I see a wealth of relevant experience in both of the Boards, and I'm confident that we will have a very good guidance from Board of Directors in New Lassila & Tikanoja and in Luotea. And the companies will be in good hands should the demerger happen. There has been a substantial amount of work to get us to this point. And I'd like to take this opportunity to thank our people who have put very long hours and a lot of effort to get the demerger plan in place and all the relevant documentation. So very good work, and thank you all. But as you can see, there is still a lot of work that needs to be done. The prospectus will be published in November, and our plan is to have a Capital Markets Day on 26th of November, where we would then present both of these new companies, new Lassila & Tikanoja and Luotea and then completion of the demerger would happen 31st of December this year and then the listing of these new companies would take place 2nd of January on the first Market Day 2026. Okay. And now a few words about New Lassila & Tikanoja. So what is different? We will create a leading Nordic pure-play Circular Economy Company, and this will be a unique opportunity for investors to be part of that journey. The net sales of this new L&T was in the last 12 months, EUR 415 million. And if we look at the past 5 years, the average growth was about 6%. Our EBITDA has constantly been around 21% or adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITA has been around 11% and both of these numbers are amongst the best in Europe in Circular Economy. 100% of our revenue comes from Circular Economy with very synergistic portfolio of services. Our customer base is very balanced, and we operate kind of across the different sectors of society. Waste will be a scarce resource, and it is critical to have a strong position at the source. One of our key strengths is that we have excellent access to waste through our nationwide network in Finland and very big fleet. We cover the whole value chain, starting from advisory services based on our comprehensive data into sorting and treatment and further to recycling and utilization. Our services cover also recycling of hazardous waste, and we have 5 strategically placed landfills with very strong permits. We do not run our businesses as we present here, but this is more to offer investors a sort of more comparable look to what our business looks like. We are clearly a market leader in Finland, as you can see, we are #1 in waste management and recycling. We are #1 to #2 in industrial and water, and we are #2 in hazardous waste and remediation. And even though we are a big player and a clear market leader, the market is still very fragmented, and there are several opportunities for us to grow in these markets in all of these different areas. As you could see sort of from the 5-year development that we showed earlier, our business is very stable because we offer critical services for the society, but also because our customer base is very diversified with some 140,000 individual customers and 87% of our revenue is based -- our revenue base is reoccurring nature with 6 years average contract duration with very good inflation protection. Resilience of our business is also visible when we look at our financials during the past 5 years. And -- if you consider the macro turbulence we have experienced during this period, including COVID and the Russian invasion to Ukraine and subsequent high inflation, et cetera, we have a proven track record with growth and very stable profitability. In our markets, there are a number of growth opportunities for us. We have categorized them in 3 different sort of sections or areas. First, we will seek to further strengthen our position in the Finnish service market, and we will do this organically and inorganically. As I showed earlier, the markets are still very fragmented, and we see a lot of opportunities for further growth. Secondly, we have been present in Sweden in Circular Economy since 2022 or beginning of '22. And during this time, we have almost doubled our business there. Also, Swedish market as such is more than double compared to the Finnish market. So Sweden will be a very important growth market for us going forward. We handle annually about 1 million tonnes of material, and we believe that there will be more value to be had from that material if and when we are able to expand our role in the value chain. And this is an area where we're constantly working. And hopefully, in the future, we can also show what does it mean in practice. But as an example, there are a number of fractions like plastics, wood, et cetera, where our role is still fairly limited, and we believe that we could take a much bigger role in that value chain of these materials that go through our hands. But as I said, a lot of different possibilities for growth for us. So as new L&T as a pure-play Circular Economy Company will have a more ambitious growth target than current Lassila & Tikanoja and with very high profitability. Our target is to continue to be at this level of 11% EBITA. We will also have a very strong balance sheet and stable cash flow, which will allow us to grow, make investments, make acquisitions and at the same time, pay dividend at least 50% of the net income. So this was a glimpse into the Circular Economy and New Lassila & Tikanoja. And now I will hand over to Antti, who will tell you more about Luotea.
Antti Niitynpaa
executiveThank you, Eero. Luotea will be and is a leading Nordic facility service platform. I'm really excited to present the story of Luotea. Our name brand communicates reliability, trust and pioneering way of doing things. It's how we lead the way. I have a 30 years career in facility services, from which 12 years from L&T, and I've been responsible of Facility Services Finland since August 2021 and from Facility Services Sweden since June 2024. Luotea is one of the largest players in facility services in Finland and Sweden. The business is significant also stand-alone. In Finland, we are third largest. And in Sweden, we have also a solid position and a strong market presence. Both markets have a lot of room for growth, especially Sweden that is double the size of Finnish market. We have an extensive presence. In both countries, we operate nationwide and in the whole property services value chain, cleaning and support services, property maintenance and technical services. And we want to be the most sustainable partner for the whole lifetime of customer facility. And in cleaning Finland, our profitability and customer satisfaction is best in the Nordic countries. Finland's EBITA is 6% and which is already at a good level, but it can still be improved. And there is still work to be done in Sweden results, but the same playbook that was used to get Finland result in order also works in Sweden. Facility Services is a big EUR 12 billion business in Finland and Sweden that is growing faster than GDP. We have recurring necessity services, which are not highly vulnerable to economic ups and downs. We also have an asset-light business, which means that we can scale without heavy investments. And there are also many drivers that create opportunities for us. For example, tightening energy efficiency legislation, stricter general sustainability requirements, increased digitalization, built environment maintenance backlog, which is quite huge. It's about EUR 77 billion in Finland and also outsourcing of the public sector is starting to happen at an accelerating space, and I will get back to that later on. We have everything it takes to create strong and profitable growth in the market. Firstly, we have extensive portfolio and market presence, which enables cross-sell opportunities. Only 3% of our customers buy all our services. Then secondly, we have unique spearhead service portfolio that also supports growth of our core services. And thirdly, our proven playbook for significant profitability improvement will help us to get the turnaround in Sweden. I start with the center of this slide first. We have strong spearhead services that offer high growth rates and open doors for the growth of our core services. Luotea's spearhead offering creates significant benefits for both customers and the company. Data-driven model enhances service efficiency by identifying high usage areas, mobile app for real-time tracking and streamlined planning. For example, our customer, [indiscernible] is data-driven and cleaned and their data-driven cleaning has helped us to improve the quality and the efficiency of services in changing needs and in demanding environment. We will also publish our data-driven property service concept later this year, which will be quite interesting. Smartti is new generation intelligent energy management system that takes properties directly to the climate smart era. For example, our customer readying shopping center, temperature corrected energy savings in the first heating season was over 2,500 megawatt hours. And this corresponds to electricity consumption of approximately 1,000 apartments in apartment blocks per year. And we have several other similar references. And then sustainability services. We team up with clients to create sustainability road maps and secure energy savings with the commitment to deliver planned outcomes. And -- for example, one large pension insurance company we prepared a sustainability road map that supported the customer in achieving their sustainability goals in facilities. And trust for us increased significantly after which we have been able to grow in the core services significantly better than before. And this applies to all our spearhead services. We have a clear reprintable playbook that's going to provide successful turnaround also in Sweden. As you have seen, we have been able to significantly improve the profitability of our business in Finland. But what you haven't seen is time line and improvement in different services, 6.7 percentage points improvement in cleaning from 2019 to this year and almost 9 percent points improvement in property maintenance services from 2022 today. And on this slide, you can see our playbook on how we have done this in different services. The same playbook will also work in Sweden, where the first results can already be seen. And we have also a clear path for organic growth. Our goal is to grow faster than the market by leveraging our spearhead services that also boost the growth for our -- of our core businesses. This is in our own hands and our most important source of growth. In our core services, cross-selling has also significant potential, as I told you earlier. Outsourcing will also increase significantly due to the situation in municipalities and well-being service areas. For example, there is ongoing outsourcing case of property services in [ Hus ] area with the value of EUR 20 million per year. And in my opinion, this proves that outsourcing is starting to realize. We have shown that Finland result has been fixed, and therefore, the EBITA target is realistic. We have a playbook to get Sweden in order, and we will put all our efforts in making a turnaround. On the other hand, growth has been a challenge for us in the last couple of years as we have cleaned out unprofitable customers from the portfolio. However, now in Finland, we are in a situation where we have great potential to grow. In Sweden, the focus is on putting the result in order. Our cash flow target is currently challenging as the result in Sweden is still poor and the margin as a whole is still too low. But when we get Sweden in order, this goal will also be realistic. And our dividend payout policy will be to pay at least 50% of the net profit. Thank you.
Eero Hautaniemi
executiveThank you, Antti. Good. Now we will have our second Q&A session. So feel free to ask questions regarding the demerger or you can also ask questions regarding the earnings release, if you wish.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] The next question comes from Nikko Ruokangas from SEB.
Nikko Ruokangas
analystThis is Nikko Ruokangas from SEB again. I have one question regarding both of the companies, and I'll go one by one, starting with the Circular Economy businesses or the New L&T. So you target 11% EBITA margin in the midterm. And I guess that the announcement doesn't say exceeding 11%. But you are basically already there on a rolling 12-month basis. So does that mean that you don't see realistic opportunities to clearly improve anymore despite the cost measures you are taking? And does that mean that you don't expect weaker relative profitability gains from the profitability measures you are taking on net basis after this year?
Eero Hautaniemi
executiveWell, it basically or mainly it means that because you have to read it in connection with our growth target that we will seek to grow more than 6% on average going forward. And that is, I'd say, fairly ambitious growth target. So it also means that we will invest some of the profit improvement we will get through these efficiency measures into getting future growth. So these 2 targets have to be read together.
Nikko Ruokangas
analystAll right. I understand. So that basically without new growth investments, you would also expect the profitability actions on net basis despite 2 separate listed companies that they would support you also in '26 or '27?
Eero Hautaniemi
executiveYes. Exactly.
Nikko Ruokangas
analystYes. Okay. Then on Luotea, but I guess that the first part that is also the New L&T. So what do you view in this case as midterm, but -- and then I'll continue on Luotea's sales growth target. I guess that you mentioned in L&T's case, the acquisitions as part of the growth opportunities. But do you think that acquisitions will be seen also in Facility Services to achieve this growth target? Or is this realistic to achieve organically?
Eero Hautaniemi
executiveYes. Well, the first part, midterm means 3 to 5 years in our thinking. And in Luotea's case, and Antti can then complement if he wants. But our focus right now is to make the turnaround and as Antti explained, to make these organic growth steps. But obviously, the Board of Directors, new Board of Directors of Luotea will then decide kind of when they feel Luotea is ready to make also inorganic growth moves, so make acquisitions. And judging kind of from the good pace of improvement we have seen, it may not be that far in the future. But I don't know, Antti, if you want to add.
Antti Niitynpaa
executiveI agree totally.
Eero Hautaniemi
executiveYes. So I cannot really sort of commit on behalf of the Board of the future Luotea, but my thinking is that the focus right now is still fixing the profitability, but it may be also in the near future that there will be acquisitions in Luotea.
Nikko Ruokangas
analystOkay. I understand. So that still the near-term focus is on earnings improvement and maybe the sales growth target to be achieved. So that will be more based on the latter part of this 3 to 5 years period. Is that correctly read?
Eero Hautaniemi
executiveYes. I think that is my thinking as well.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] There are no more questions at this time. So I hand the conference back to the speakers for any closing comments.
Unknown Executive
executiveThere are no more questions in the chat.
Eero Hautaniemi
executiveOkay. In that case, I want to thank Joni and Antti. And obviously, you be on the lines for listening this webcast. And I wish you a nice continuation for the weekend. And if you wish to get more details, feel free to be in touch with Joni or myself or with our IR function. So thank you very much, and bye-bye.
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