Maravai LifeSciences Holdings, Inc. (MRVI) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

June 1, 2021

NASDAQ US Health Care Life Sciences Tools and Services conference_presentation 31 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Matthew Larew

analyst
#1

Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us today and at William Blair's Virtual Growth Stock Conference. My name is Matt Larew. I cover life sciences tools here at William Blair. And I'm here today with Kevin Herde, the CFO of Maravai LifeSciences, the company I co-cover with my colleague, Brian Weinstein. A quick compliance note before we jump into things, is that for a complete list of disclosures, you can visit our website at williamblair.com.

Matthew Larew

analyst
#2

So Kevin, while you're not going to walk -- formally walk through a deck today, given that this is a generalist growth stock conference, I do think it would be helpful if you could maybe just provide a brief overview of Maravai, maybe a history of your work in the company, the markets you participate in and how those markets and your participation in them has evolved over time.

Kevin Herde

executive
#3

Yes, certainly happy to do that. Thanks, Matt. And it's nice to be with you guys here at the conference here today. So Maravai LifeSciences, we are a life science company, primarily life science reagents. We help provide products to customers that they incorporate them into their own end products or use them in their manufacturing process or use them to quality-test their manufacturing process. So we don't necessarily have our own products to go out to the end market other than supporting our customers. We like to target high-growth markets in cell and gene therapy and vaccines and biologic drug manufacturing. We do so across 3 separate segments. Our smallest segment is Protein Detection, which is the historical immunohistochemistry assets that we have. We sell primarily to academic and research. Our next largest segment is in Biologic Safety Testing. So that is host-cell protein detection gets to test for impurities in biologic, primarily consumed in the development and manufacturing processes. They test for those impurities as not in a quality-control perspective. Our last and largest segment is Nucleic Acid Production. And that's where we're making all of the nucleotides and highly modified mRNAs, which are used by our various life science partners in diagnostics and nucleic acid-based vaccines and therapeutics. Our largest product in that segment is our proprietary messenger RNA technology called CleanCap. And our CleanCap, it's literally a capping reagent to help cap messenger RNA. It's used in vaccine programs and RNA therapeutics. And one of the largest drivers for the company at this point in time is the incorporation of the CleanCap product into several of the COVID-19 vaccines. So that includes the Pfizer-BioNTech collaboration as well as CureVac as well as others. So that sort of puts into perspective the 3 segments in which we operate. Our primary facility is here in San Diego, California, where I am today. We have about 140,000 square feet across our various facilities. We have over 460 people. In our last quarter, we recently completed first quarter of 2021, we did $148 million in revenue. That was 191% growth from the prior first quarter of [ 2021 ]. We also have very high EBITDA margins. Our EBITDA margin in the first quarter on an adjusted EBITDA basis was 69%, which yielded adjusted EBITDA of $102 million. We have very strong free cash flow, very low CapEx model, which gives us great flexibility, a really strong balance sheet. We've done a lot of M&A over the years. That's how we built Maravai [ LifeSciences initiation ] about 7 years ago. But all the assets we have acquired over the time have been in the given markets for a very long period of time. And so we've been public for just over 6 months now, having done our IPO in the middle of November of 2020. So just a short recap there. We have provided our full year guidance, just to give you a sense of the size of the company. Our midpoint of our guidance is roughly $700 million of total revenue for 2021, EBITDA between $440 million and $470 million and adjusted EPS between $1.04 and $1.12 per share. So a high-growing, good-sized company with nice profitability margins and certainly in an exciting space with our largest segment participating in all the excitement and interest in messenger RNA.

Matthew Larew

analyst
#4

Well, that's a great setup here. And maybe just as a follow-up to that, a high-level question we often get from investors is just trying to understand how everything fits together in what is really a rapidly evolving life sciences space. So maybe just help us understand your product portfolio, how you get inserted into various drug development or various lab workflows. And maybe as part of that, you could discuss the RUO to GMP capability and how important that is to your customers.

Kevin Herde

executive
#5

Yes. So a lot of our customers will get certainly Nucleic Acid Production, which is our largest segment. We will be working with -- very early on in their development processes. So most of what we do in that space is going to be related to highly modified messenger RNA. So we really do a lot of custom work. You'll see we have a really low R&D spend as a percentage of revenue. That's because a lot of those people are embedded up in our cost of revenue line since they're providing custom products. So we would like to get with them in very early stages, initial research, helping with their constructs, look at what they're trying to do. Some of those products will include our CleanCap proprietary IP-protected capping reagent, and some of them will not. And some of them will be just other products or use other capping technologies. And so we work with them very [ early on ]. So there's a class of customers there, that we have [ work with ] about 40 customers or so across gene cell therapy and other applications. They work within our clean rooms, and we have GMP capabilities there to help with the manufacturing process. So that sort of moves them upstream through the initial development, all the way through potentially working under GMP conditions for what they need to get accomplished. And that's really been a growing part of our business. Certainly, that we kind of consider that the core, if you will, and then certainly, the applications of CleanCap and the CleanCap scale we have really being the next biggest and largest item for us. We were very fortunate. So we built a purposeful facility that when it came online at the end of 2019 here in San Diego to really support what we thought was going to be an explosion of growth in mRNA over the next decade, that's come a lot faster than we anticipated. And we brought that up again at the end of 2019, had a record first quarter of 2020, pre-COVID, and then COVID hit. BioNTech and CureVac were 2 of the very first adopters of the CleanCap technology. And this goes back several years when they were first evaluating different methodologies. So we knew them. We had a great relationship with them. We're really expecting great things from them [ this year, in 2020 prior to COVID ]. And then as COVID came on, they both came to us and said, "Hey, we're going to go forward." And then BioNTech and Pfizer obviously came forward and applied the technology. And we've been really happy certainly with that relationship and their commercial success, and that's been a lot of why we've been so successful and had the growth rates that we've had in the current year. But all that comes back to our ability to have capacity. And really, that just came ahead of what has happened. The facility we have in San Diego can support north of $1 billion in Nucleic Acid Production output. We're probably about 60% capacity there. So we have the ability to make CleanCap at high volumes under really strong conditions as well as support that whole growth of gene and cell therapy customers in clean rooms for advancing their individual products, which are more on the therapeutic applications of the technology.

Matthew Larew

analyst
#6

That's really helpful. I want to ask a few questions around COVID, and maybe we'll spend a little more time here [ and with the other companies ] I'm hosting this week. But starting with CleanCap, you alluded to the new guidance range, which is about $100 million higher than the initial guidance range, with about $70 million of that coming from that CleanCap. So maybe just help folks understand what kind of visibility you have into the orders from your CleanCap customers and really what the drivers were for that guidance increase.

Kevin Herde

executive
#7

Yes. So we work with our customers and their supply chain teams. The manufacturing of a vaccine is a very complicated [ process as Pfizer says publicly ]. They work with 86 different suppliers over 19 countries for something over 250 different components that go into it. We're one of those suppliers, certainly and we believe a key one since the key technology is very important. So with our customers on the vaccine side, we have a rolling 12-month forecast. So we work with them to make sure that we have the ability to source what we need to make product and the capacity to deliver. And that has not been an issue for us whatsoever. So we have good visibility, forward-looking, for about 12 months, so basically through the second quarter of next year. And then from there, we lock in purchase orders, basically looking 6 -- about 2 quarters, about 6 months out, and then they're certainly scheduled to ship over the next 3 months. So very strong visibility in the 3- to 6-month time frame, absolutely, and good visibility [ with Pfizer as ] we're working with them on what they anticipate after that, going up to about 12 months. So because of that, we feel very strongly about -- and very confident in certainly our guidance range for this year. Now when we go all the way back to October, that process has been in place. So we continue to have these meetings. They come often [ as weekly in ] working with our customers. And since that period of time, basically every month and certainly every time we've had earnings or given updated guidance, those ranges have been increasing. And they've been increasing pretty consistently with the commercial wins they've been having as far as signing up new customer commitments for their vaccines and for the various programs as well as their capacity. And that certainly, Pfizer and others have made very large projections about potential capacity here and expanding into 2022, which also has us very excited as well. So as they line up all of that supply chain, of which we're one of those many, many customers, they can then build up into and support those increases in production and increases in doses. So we have seen a steady increase in their demand, not only for this year but for next year as well. So we're very excited about that and continue to build out our capabilities to make sure we can supply that, that what we see as increasing demand next year over this year as well as supporting non-COVID applications for a long time going forward.

Matthew Larew

analyst
#8

And that's a good segue to my next question here, which is, again, you've talked about Clean CapEx generating more revenue from COVID in '22 than '21 and continuing to be present in '23 and beyond. And again, that's consistent with commentary from other vaccine developers. And we've also heard commentary from Pfizer around their plan to put 2 mRNA approaches to a flu vaccine into clinic each year for the next 2 years. A number of your other customers are making progress with their vaccine candidates and frankly had non-COVID platforms and programs existing before the pandemic. So maybe just with all those factors in mind, how should we think about the long-term run rate or growth opportunity for CleanCap?

Kevin Herde

executive
#9

Yes. That's what we're really excited about, certainly. It's been great to be part of the solution here, with what we've been dealing with the pandemic and working with our customers. But we've seen probably the adoption and commercialization acceptance, standardization of mRNA practices, accelerated probably 3 to 5 years. And then you look at the amount of investment that people like Pfizer plan on making into mRNA technologies for other applications and the doors that we believe this technology opens for other conditions is very exciting for us. So we've always been excited about that. I think it's now just getting more into the spotlight and certainly has been amplified because of what's happened with the pandemic. It's just showing the strong capabilities, how effective mRNA technologies can be, how safe they can be, in a wide range of things that they can offer and how they can be scalable. So we're really excited about that. Certainly, we're already starting to see that demand. There was a pause certainly in the early part of 2020, and a lot of people pivoted to other programs or pivoted to COVID programs that they didn't have, obviously, before. Now they're getting back to their core missions. Several of our customers are doing that. So we see that as a nice complement to where we're going and certainly excited about these other applications and the investments that are being made in the space, which, again, has really accelerated our trajectory from where we thought it was going to be.

Matthew Larew

analyst
#10

Yes. And so I think you mentioned sort of a pull-forward, maybe 3 to 5 years of interest and investment in this space, maybe a piece of that from the performance of the vaccines. We saw Sanofi's recent purchase of Tidal. Maybe that was another indicator. Just curious if there's anything internally you're seeing, maybe it's even anecdotal evidence, whether that might be customers indicating to you that they're going to spend a greater portion of their R&D on mRNA, maybe it's CleanCap inquiries for non-COVID projects. Just curious if there's anything that you are seeing internally?

Kevin Herde

executive
#11

Yes, I think it's a little bit of all of that, Matt. I think we're certainly seeing interest in traditional large pharma companies that maybe didn't have an mRNA-based program thinking they now need to have one and certainly need to look at that technology. Certainly, existing customers, Pfizer being a great example, very excited about moving things forward. You look at what they're doing with their seasonal flu. I think that will be in Stage 3, I think, this year, if not this next quarter, moving that forward. And then again, the nice thing about mRNA technologies, again, versus traditional methodologies is just because of the natural science, you cover more variants naturally and which leads [ to solve ] great things like seasonal flu vaccines or other indications for large-spread vaccines or therapeutic uses, which we're also very excited about. So it's been a little bit of everything. Existing customers, really the dollar inflow into the space has increased. They're very excited. They want to move forward. It's the customers that are adopting this platform for the first time saying this is the platform of the future. So we're going to start porting all of our things onto it. And that's people that maybe didn't have this technology before saying, "We need to start a program. We need to find the right partners." And we've certainly seen a lot of that as well. So it's a good inbound flow and certainly good trajectory for Maravai as a whole.

Matthew Larew

analyst
#12

Is there any potential competition? And I say potential because maybe there isn't really any current competition, but any potential competition to CleanCap that's worth calling out? Or is it mainly just competing against enzymatic approaches, would be part one. Part two is we've heard from some companies working on ways to improve capping efficiency so that potentially, in the future, maybe less capping reagent would be needed. So I would just be curious to get your thoughts both on competition for CleanCap and potentials for improving the efficiency.

Kevin Herde

executive
#13

Yes. So certainly, at high scale, there's really chemical capping like CleanCap or enzymatic capping. Again, we're fortunate that we have the capacity to scale and the intellectual property locked in around our approach, which we think is pretty solid and gives us the ability to meet all the demand that's out there. So I think we haven't seen much as far as other methods that can have all of those attributes, which is important, certainly available due to its scale and then the performance and the cost profile and the efficiencies you see in the manufacturing process since Our CleanCap is applied during the co-transcriptional phase in manufacturing. It's not a separate step, but separate reagents introduced into it like enzymatic capping, which -- because it's preferable. So that's very helpful for us, certainly long term, having that in place. And the second part of your question, Matt?

Matthew Larew

analyst
#14

Well, just we've heard of some companies working on approaches to improve the capping efficiency...

Kevin Herde

executive
#15

Oh, efficiencies, sure...

Matthew Larew

analyst
#16

Efficiency, yes, [ just if you had to take on ]...

Kevin Herde

executive
#17

Yes. I mean -- and we work on that as well. I mean we're certainly looking at all the different ways to have CleanCap even be better than it is today. As you adopt new technologies, one of the exciting things for us is we hope there are efficiencies. And we're seeing efficiencies in our own manufacturing process. We're seeing efficiencies from our suppliers, and we hope our customers see efficiencies in the manufacturing process. I think that's a good part of adopting new technologies on a broad basis as you want everyone to feel good about what they're doing, realizing process improvement, standardize the development, standardize the operations, get better at it such that it can be really the accepted investment method out there. So there are -- we're hopeful, again, across the whole supply chain, including ourselves, that everyone is getting more effective and getting more efficient in what they're doing. Certainly, we believe CleanCap has tremendous technological advances [ that -- for ] previous methods that give us a better yield [ and at the end ], with a more effective ingredient. But we're going to continue to improve that and work with our customers to make sure they're getting what they need. And we're excited to -- we're going to plan on having an R&D Day [ in the summer or by ] late third quarter just to really lay a lot of this out. We've been doing some white paper internal studies, so we get that question a lot. We just want to have all the data and science [ in this ] so people can understand the different methods and how CleanCap is unique versus some of the other methods out there and some of the potential improvements to address some of the things you noted.

Matthew Larew

analyst
#18

That's great. Given the success of CleanCap in the COVID vaccines, just curious, is there an opportunity for you to get something like a master file with the FDA that potentially could increase your competitive moat?

Kevin Herde

executive
#19

Well, so CleanCap is incorporated in our customers' filings with the FDA. So you cannot flip out your capping [ region ] without doing another study. So that locks us in there. And we think, again, the templates that some of our customers have created for what they're doing today are things that are working, and they're working very well. I mean they're going to be able to take that template and port them over to other indications. And therefore, because of that being locked in at the early stage, having a technology that works great, having the capacity and the quality that really is what our customers want, I think that sets us up well for existing and future programs.

Matthew Larew

analyst
#20

And then more generally, but still on COVID, COVID has obviously created a great deal of turmoil here in the last year-plus, but it's also led us to meaningful opportunities for companies that were able to act quickly to meet changing end-market demand. So beyond our discussion of CleanCap, just curious if there are things you could point to in terms of sustainable changes at the end-market dynamics, maybe customer behaviors or preferences or your own competitive position.

Kevin Herde

executive
#21

Yes. I think there was a few things that we saw along the edges. Certainly, the CleanCap demand has been a large one. So they're not as obvious. But we did see some onshoring and securing of supply chain. So certainly, all of our facilities are located in the United States. I think the concerns about logistics, the concerns about trade, tariffs, nationalistic views and other areas certainly gave us, I think, some tailwinds throughout the back half of 2020. And I think some of that stuck. Again, we have very high customer retention across our portfolio just because of the quality of the product and how we deliver. So once we obtain customers, whether it be through something like that, [ we've sent a new tent to keep them ], and that's been good for the businesses. It's been the hallmark of our franchises for a very long period of time now. So I think that was certainly part of what we saw. I think the other thing that was just good for the industry is people understanding where capacity lays and where quality is and where alternative vendors might be. And we certainly do that for our own supply chain, but certainly is supporting our customer base. I think we've been a good partner in that regard. It's been, and again, very important for us to have always invested in a lot of our facilities, all our capacity and really look forward to be able to meet demand. And we're very excited of the fact that we have that today. We're chewing through that demand faster than we originally had planned when we built our facility. So we're looking at other options to make sure we have that going forward. I think, as you talked about earlier, certainly, we don't see this as a trend line that's going to be slowing. We think mRNA is a platform, generally is going to continue to get more and more interest, and therefore, we're continuing to look at how we can make sure either, in our existing plant by continued process improvements, which we continue to strive for, or partnerships or acquisitions or organic investments given our strong cash flow and balance sheet. We have a lot of optionality with regards to making sure we continue to stay ahead of demand with our capacity. And we've done a really good job with that so far.

Matthew Larew

analyst
#22

And then final one on COVID here. With strong vaccination deployment progress here in the U.S., recent changes in CDC guidance for behaviors of vaccinated people, emerging from COVID now, and I say that tentatively, I guess, what do you see as the biggest drivers of growth for your business and the balance of 2021? We walked through CleanCap already. What are the other most important growth drivers of the financial model in the back half of the year?

Kevin Herde

executive
#23

Well, yes. I mean still CleanCap is going to continue to be a strong growth driver. I mean in the United States here, we're only about halfway through the vaccination profile and certainly, in the rest of the world, much less than that. So the demand there continues to be a very strong driver. What we're excited about as well is continue to provide the product for other indications. And we're starting to see that again with our current customers as well as new customers, and that will continue to drive what we can kind of consider the core of the base Nucleic Acid Production business. On our second largest segment, Biologic Safety Testing, we had a record quarter this last quarter, continue to see growth. We took up our guidance to nearly 20% of that business. And again, that's supporting biologics and biosimilars and other class of health care investment that continues to do very well, have very good tailwinds. And it's certainly something where our products are seen as really strong, high-quality products and high customer retention. [ That's just ] looking for the overexpression of host-cell proteins to other contaminants [ and end ] biologics and consumed during development and manufacturing. So a really nice business there that we're also seeing growth. So we continue to see both of that. And the core Nucleic Acid Production without the COVID impact is continuing to accelerate. We also have the strength of our GMP clean rooms and the various campaigns we have there as well as strong growth from our Biologic Safety Testing program. And our smallest segment is our Protein Detection program, which has returned to its pre-COVID levels from a quarterly revenue and EBITDA contribution perspective.

Matthew Larew

analyst
#24

Sure. So I would like to follow up on a couple of the items we touched on over the last 15 minutes here. And the first is capital deployment. And so you mentioned, obviously, the cash flow generation from CleanCap. You've previously mentioned, I think, both today and on the quarter, improving capacity, expanding geographical reach, entering verticals that complement Maravai's existing businesses and some potential focus areas. Is there any 1 of those 3 that stands out as more of a near-term opportunity than others? I think it could be helpful to get your perspective on feedback from customers or things you're seeing in the market that maybe represent bottlenecks or problem areas in the workflow.

Kevin Herde

executive
#25

Sure. I think the biggest thing that we hear from our customers is, "Can you do more for us?" Meaning a lot of our customers have to go to so many different of their own suppliers to do a component of their end solution. So whether it's starting at the very end with their plasma DNA creating their template, whether it's their construct in their messenger RNA, whether it's their [ transfection agents, bioactive lipid nanoparticles ], so a lot of the different things they have to do to put together an end solution, they would like to go to fewer people. So that's one of the reasons we created our own plasmid DNA manufacturing capabilities now to offer that to our customers, to be able to help them with those early stage and not be gated by potential broader supply chain issues that are out there today and really help them keep their programs on pace. So that's probably the single thing that we hear is, "Can you offer more?" And so how do we do that? Well, we do it either through organic investment, where we don't have IP constraints such as in the case of plasmid DNA. It's through potential inorganic opportunities by acquiring complementary technologies and products that our customers use. Or it's by partnering or again organic expansion outside of what we already have today and making those investments. And those could be in technology, they could be in capacity or they could be in geographical presence, and those are all the areas that we're looking at. We're very fortunate that we have the balance sheet and cash flow to actually look at all of those and the capacity to look at all those in parallel. So we're doing that today. We have built upon a series of good acquisitions that are very science-based, [ so we continued ] and were all founder-based acquisitions that we've been able to invest in and amplify their growth trajectory. Those sort of attributes still are ideal for Maravai, and we continue to look at those actively today. However, we also have the ability to do a lot of things ourselves, and that's what we did with our San Diego facility. That put us in a good position to be successful. So it's nice to be able to do all of them, and we might actually do all of them over the course of the next year with this additional cash flow that we've generated here with the success that we're currently having.

Matthew Larew

analyst
#26

And just on the notion of sort of bottlenecks, I'm just curious what sort of feedback or things you're hearing in the space. I know, for a period of time, LNPs were discussed as a potential bottleneck. You mentioned Pfizer, 86 suppliers. As you just get ticked through those various areas, what seems the most inefficient from your perspective?

Kevin Herde

executive
#27

I don't want to identify anything that's I think too specific because from our perspective, we have not had a capacity constraint. We have not had issues with our vendors. And I think just the challenge here again is lining up all of these things. If you have one part of that solution that is behind or doesn't have the capacity, you get gated and you need to make sure you look at all the different variables there. So I think that there's so many different building blocks that go into this. The level of capacity and output that we're looking at is historic. We've never seen anything like this nor moved so fast, and that's why we're excited to see the continued investment that our customers are making on their own capacity globally to expand this. So I think that although there are -- have been certain areas that seem to be pain points, we haven't felt those personally. Our customers have. And that's why I think we continue to make sure that we give them what they need that we can supply and then see what we can do to help them expand even further, and that's where we're at.

Matthew Larew

analyst
#28

And on the Biologic Safety Testing business, maybe if not for COVID, we get a lot more attention because of the tremendous growth and market share it's been taking. And you've talked in the past about one of the biggest competitors in the space being just people bringing it in and keeping it in-house. So I'm just curious, what are you doing to change the value proposition for these customers so they become more willing to work with a third party?

Kevin Herde

executive
#29

I think the biggest thing we've done there, Matt, is offer more services, so whether it's mass-spec services or just other ways to help them evaluate contaminants in their product and how they can bring those down to lower levels. The nice thing we also have is such a breadth of kits, is that if people want to try a different expression system, we typically have a test already developed for that off-the-shelf. Certainly, skilled labor in the lab or in the manufacturing process is in high demand. And it's limited, it's a resource that people are concerned about. They don't want to use those internal resources to develop and process QC testing when you can buy one off-the-shelf that's seen as the gold standard. So that's the reason I think people ultimately make the decision to adopt our technologies for those instances. And once they do that, they know that the quality is there. They know they're not going to get any pushback as far as who is this company they are using. And I think they can redeploy those resources into doing things that have more value for their program versus being a process quality control test that we already have a great product for. So that's really the dynamic we're seeing right there.

Matthew Larew

analyst
#30

Okay. And it's been a little more than a year since the MockV acquisition. Maybe just could you give us an update on how that business is fitting in and what it really adds to the portfolio?

Kevin Herde

executive
#31

Yes. Sure. I think the initial year, and again, this is a development program for us, which has a basically a mock viral particle that will help our customers test for the viral load clearance steps that you need to do at the end of the process and throughout the development process so they're not surprised at the end. So it's very similar to what we're doing in host-cell protein detection. We've done a nice job incorporating all that development process workflow in the actual process to make these available into our Cygnus facility, which is the brand which we were selling that under, and have completed all of that. Now we're really starting to work with some of the initial customers in sort of the market, making sure we understand all the dynamics and how this will fit into their workflow. So very happy with the progress and very excited about the technology. It just makes a lot of sense to kind of be able to mirror what we've been doing with the host-cell protein expression kits, with the viral testing clearance, and put those all together to really make sure our customers, again, have the right product. And by the time they're ready to go to market, they're very comfortable that all of the potential contaminants are below allowable levels.

Matthew Larew

analyst
#32

And then in the final 2 minutes, I would finish with 2 questions. The first, on supply chain, a number of companies have raised a red flag on supply chain bottlenecks in recent weeks, things from microchips to pipettes. Just curious, you alluded to, I think, being okay with all your vendors, but are you seeing anything in terms of sourcing raw materials or other important supplies, elevated shipping costs, long lead times, anything like that?

Kevin Herde

executive
#33

We have seen some things around the edges. But I would say our supply chain is in great shape. We brought in some global supply chain leaders, kind of again, well ahead of this large growth that we've seen, people that we've had good experience with in the past, have great relationships with our customers and our vendors, and have been formalizing that effort. So we haven't seen it ourselves. Again, it's an active dialogue. We have a great communication. We do a lot of things here domestically, which I think was always helpful. It's just the nature of kind of where our infrastructure is. So as we stand here today, it has not directly affected our ability to procure materials, and that might just be because of some of the good long-standing relationships we have with, certainly, with our vendors and the fact that we have a very well-defined amount of inputs that we can source from multiple vendors across a variety of different end applications. So we're in good shape with regards to our supply chain [ personally ].

Matthew Larew

analyst
#34

Okay. I had a final question on ESG. I'm getting a message that our time has elapsed.

Kevin Herde

executive
#35

All right.

Matthew Larew

analyst
#36

And so perhaps, we'll just have to close there and leave that in our next discussion. Kevin, I really appreciate you and Maravai being with us for the conference this year. And then, hopefully, next year, we'll see you in Chicago in person.

Kevin Herde

executive
#37

Sounds great. Thanks, Matt. Thanks for the time today.

Matthew Larew

analyst
#38

Thanks a lot.

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