Maravai LifeSciences Holdings, Inc. (MRVI) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
June 2, 2021
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
S. Brandon Couillard
analystAll right. Great. Thanks. Good afternoon, everybody. Thank you for joining us. Welcome to the Jefferies 2021 Virtual Global Healthcare Conference. I'm Brandon Couillard. I cover the life science tools and diagnostics sector here at the firm. Very pleased to have Maravai LifeSciences with us at the conference for the first time this year. And joining us for this fireside conversation, CFO, Kevin Herde. For those of you who are listening to the webcast through the online portal, please feel free to submit a question in the question box or e-mail me directly, and we'll do our best to work it into the conversation. So Kevin, thanks for being here.
Kevin Herde
executiveYes, you bet. Happy to be here, Brandon.
S. Brandon Couillard
analystBefore we sort of dive into the business, I first want to start with President and Co-Founder, Eric Tardif's announced retirement a few weeks ago, which caught me by surprise. You've obviously known Eric a long time, go way back to the Gen-Probe days. Had this been in the works for some time? I mean, he's relatively young. I hope I can retire when I'm 51. Yes, I also view him as pretty instrumental in terms of leading M&A and corporate strategy, building a portfolio. You, Eric, and Carl has certainly been kind of a team for a long time. What can you -- help tell us about that?
Kevin Herde
executiveSure. Yes. Certainly, nothing in the works for a long time, and 100% Eric's personal decision. He's -- we've had a lot of success together, not at -- just Maravai, but when we worked together at Hologic and then obviously at Gen-Probe as well, where we all met for the first time and worked together. He's -- just the time in his life where he has the opportunity to literally get out of what he's been doing for his whole life. And he's relocating and building a home and wants to get into philanthropy and other interests. And it's 100% on his own terms, and that's the way he wants it. And it's been great working with him. I think also, just trying to get inside of his head a little bit. And what we've done here is, a lot of things he was responsible for, we've really built up over the last 6 months to a year. So we have a great new COO of our Protein Detection business, which he was responsible for. We've brought in additional resources in corporate and business development. We brought in a Vice President of Marketing, which he was also overseeing. So a lot of the functions that he was doing on a day-to-day basis really have brought -- he had brought in some really good leaders and done that knowledge transfer. And I don't know if that was part of his plan or what have you, but he's leaving us here at the end of this month certainly in great shape. And we certainly obviously thank him, not only for the efforts he did to help start Maravai and get us to where we are today, but also all the work we've done together in the life science industry along with Carl over the past 15 years. So he'll be missed on a day-to-day basis, but he'll certainly always be a friend.
S. Brandon Couillard
analystOkay. Jumping into the business, I'd like to start off with the big topic around CleanCap specifically. For those that may be less familiar with the Maravai story, given you're relatively young in the public markets, just explain what CleanCap is, the value proposition and kind of how it stacks up in terms of other alternative methods for capping mRNA like enzymatic approaches.
Kevin Herde
executiveSo CleanCap is a proprietary product for us. It's a reagent that uses a co-transcriptional capping methodology and adds a natural cap structure to a naked mRNA molecule. So all mRNA molecules need to be capped to stabilize them, preserve the mRNA once it's administered. And at this scale that we're working on with vaccines, you either go down a co-transcriptional chemical approach or an enzymatic approach capping method. For example, Moderna uses an enzymatic capping method. And it's really driven by whatever the mRNA platform was at the time you had when you started working on the COVID-19 vaccine. So we think the CleanCap is ideal, and our customers have loved it just because it eliminates that additional step, an enzymatic capping step. Since it's applied during the co-transcriptional phase of the manufacturing process, that helps to maximize yield, capping efficiency and process improvements and efficiencies overall. Certainly, a very well thought-out IP strategy here, very well IP-protected. And again, our customers love it. It's just got -- it's received great results and just part of it -- it's part of the product. So you can't flip it out without having to resubmit and go through the additional clinical trials to validate it. So it's an incremental -- instrumental part of the Pfizer vaccine, the BioNTech vaccine, or CureVac and other mRNA customers that are driving our revenue and demand for this product.
S. Brandon Couillard
analystIn terms of the outlook for COVID-related CleanCap revenues, can you just kind of walk us through your assumptions? We've walked this number up several times, okay, like in recent periods. I think for this year, you're talking something like $440 million, $470 million of just COVID-related CleanCap revenues. Just kind of help us understand what's embedded in terms of your assumptions for that.
Kevin Herde
executiveSure. Yes, sure. Looking back, and we've been public for a little over 6 months now. And when we first went public and when we were developing our -- the initial views on the company back in the late third quarter, early fourth quarter of last year, we had demand from our customers. And that's really what informs our capacity planning as well as our guidance. And that demand basically takes the form of a forward-looking 12-month forecast that we work with them on the contracts that we have to make sure we can plan effectively. It's locked in for basically the next 6 months and is supported then by POs and shipment schedules over the next quarter. And what we had at that time was the demand from our major vaccine customers, primarily the 3-way agreement we have with Pfizer and BioNTech for the COVID-19 rollout, certainly CureVac being the next-largest customer of ours as it relates to the COVID-19 vaccine we had. That demand in hand looking forward roughly a year and used that to inform sort of our views. Since that time, both after our fourth quarter and then after our first quarter, the demand we had, using that same process, in hand was substantially higher than we had at those other points and it has led us to increase our guidance in line with that. And it's really been driven by the commercial success that they've had, certainly, in rolling out the vaccine and certainly the continued opportunities they have. And their bullishness as far as the total capacity they're going to have and the doses they're going to be able to create, not only here in 2021, but if you certainly look at the investments they're making on capacity and their statements, they see more output next year, in 2022. And what we've seen historically is that the demand for CleanCap will follow that as well.
S. Brandon Couillard
analystSticking with that theme, I think definitely, Carl gave a pretty upbeat, I would say, assessment as far as the durability of vaccine-related demand as you look out to next year. As the -- as COVID becomes endemic, capacity of your biggest customers is going up dramatically. And you've also got more vaccines that are directly come to market, including CureVac. Can you just talk about -- so that's kind of the anecdotal, right, piece of the equation. But to what degree do you have sort of firm orders in place that may stretch out into the first half of '22? And is that visibility stretched out even into the second half of next year at all?
Kevin Herde
executiveYes. We're working with our customers. Again, we work -- they provide rolling 12-month forecasts. So yes, we have visibility into the first half of next year. And we're working with them to try and say, "Hey, can you give us a -- peg that full year for us so we can make sure we're planning appropriately?" We're lucky in that we built this facility, think, back 2018, got online at the end of 2019. Spent a substantial amount of money creating kind of a state of the art, modern, highly automated facility for mRNA and related products like CleanCap, thinking that we were going to grow into that over a decade. And we've certainly accelerated that. We're probably at 60% capacity or so of this plant that can do just north of $1 billion, and rapidly chewing into that. And so we're looking at those options for our own capacity now going forward. I think the nice thing is, because of how we're working, you're right, we see this as more endemic. We see -- we still have a long way to go. Even in the United States, we're at 50%, depending on what demographic you pick. The rest of the world, there's still over 5.5 billion people that are eligible and have access to get the vaccine that haven't been vaccinated yet. So there's a lot of work to go to get the first -- the vaccine administered in the first 2-dose regimen for what we're offering -- our customers are offering. And that's going to take a while. And because of that, I think you see our customers making sure they have the capacity to deal with all of that initially. And that will stretch through 2022, probably well into 2023. And then be at a certain steady state, we do believe. And then be complemented by boosters or variants or, what we believe, is we're already starting to see this, stacking of additional mRNA vaccines as we really think mRNA is really -- will be the technology of choice for the future of vaccines. And you'll see that stacking and also adding to this additional capacity that's being created. So it won't be just be for COVID vaccines, we believe. There are already -- quickly advancing their seasonal flu vaccine program as well and have committed substantial dollars into the investment of other mRNA technologies going forward. So that's really exciting for us as one of their key suppliers.
S. Brandon Couillard
analystDo you think that mRNA will sustainably remain the dominantly used modality for COVID vaccines?
Kevin Herde
executiveYes, I think it will just because natural -- it's efficacy, its safety and its natural coverage of variants versus other methods. We just get more widespread coverage of variants because of how it's engineered. So I see that being the case going forward, and I see that also applying to a lot of other indications just because of how effective the technology is. And now that it's getting more accepted, it's that we're standardizing the development process. We're standardizing and improving the manufacturing process and the supply chain. It's much more of a known quantity. And given how effective it is and how it could potentially address certain conditions that have been hard to address historically, I think it opens up the door. And you're seeing just a lot of excitement in and around its potential. It's always been there, going back decades. But now I think it's really ready for prime time, and it's going to stick.
S. Brandon Couillard
analystWhat impact, if at all, do you think having official FDA approval, not just Emergency Use Authorization, will have on kind of the category? And as you look out into next year, not necessarily '23, but kind of the next 12, 18 months, is it too soon to be assuming that pricing for the vaccines would come down materially such that it could affect the unit economics of CleanCap?
Kevin Herde
executiveYes. So on the last question, our supply agreements are for bulk CleanCap at the kilogram level to our customers. And they have no end pricing dynamics to them. Meaning if the end unit price goes up 50% or down 50%, our economics don't change. And we have set prices and we're doing this in bulk. It's a key ingredient, but it's -- we're not tied into the economics of the end product at all. So from that perspective, nothing would change from our point of view. And then going back to the first part of that question, Brandon, could you recall what we were talking?
S. Brandon Couillard
analystYes. Just the significance of having a formal FDA approval stamp.
Kevin Herde
executiveI don't think it changes much for us. I think probably, maybe socially or in people's minds, that maybe are on the fence or just waiting for more time to go buy for them to get their first dose of vaccine for whatever reason. It might have an incremental help there on the margins as far as penetration into the population of vaccines. But I think the FDA's process will run its natural course. It will be interesting to see from our perspective on the timing of other indications, seasonal flu and other things, that use the same technology platform or template. Hypothetically, those would follow a more traditional time line just given there's not an Emergency Use Authorization for those other indications. But that will be something we'll also be monitoring really closely with our customers. The good news is we are not capacity constrained. Again, we built this facility well ahead of this, not knowing it was coming. But obviously, we're in a great position to be able to support that demand and all demand across all the different channels and indications for -- that are needed for CleanCap, as well as the work we do in highly modified mRNAs for our gene and cell therapy companies.
S. Brandon Couillard
analystAre you worried at all about potentially bumping up against that capacity ceiling, say, by the end of next year?
Kevin Herde
executiveWe're not at the moment, but we're already active. So we're active on looking at our own processes and process improvements on how we could potentially create even more yield to even increase that slightly more than $1 billion worth of output, right? Like I said, we're about 60% capacity right now. We are looking at other facility options. And that would include both organic and inorganic options, meaning we could build it, we could buy it, or we could buy a company with some or we could partner. And we're also looking at some of the dynamics with regards to geographical distribution of our footprint. Certainly, some of the commercial contracts for certain areas have a nationalistic sense in that, for example, if the EU wants so much of the supply chain to be in the EU, and certainly to help generate jobs and stimulate the economy and support the advances in health care tied to the vaccine more locally for them. And we're aware of that, and we're going to be working with our customers and with the governments to make sure that we have the time to be able to do that effectively. It's not something you can snap your fingers and do, and they understand that as well. So CleanCap, in our view, will continue to be manufactured here and likely elsewhere over time because of some of those factors.
S. Brandon Couillard
analystStill with CleanCap, but in a non-vaccine sense. Can you just talk about the ramp and traction and level of activity in non-COVID programs? Any specifics you can mention and any chance you could size the revenue base for non vaccine-related CleanCap today?
Kevin Herde
executiveYes. I mean I think our business prior to the COVID-19, and we had a record quarter in the first quarter of 2020, and that was related to our new facility and some of our other product lines, like manufacturing NTPs and some of the other key components, to what we do in gene and cell therapy and oligonucleotide manufacturing. And that was for some protein therapy workloads being done by Synthorx, who was subsequently acquired by Sanofi. And they have a great bullpen kind of products that they're working towards in that area. We have about 40 or so different companies that we're working with across a whole bunch of indications. Many of them are private and under confidentiality agreements. But they're really looking to apply mRNA-based technologies, either with or without CleanCap incorporated into the construct. And we work very closely with them to help them with their products. So we do that through core research. We do that through helping with formulation. We do that through manufacturing, both for research-grade as well as in our clean rooms for GMP quality. And what's exciting there is that group of customers is really pretty early stages. I mean, this is probably, on average, in early Stage 1 at this stage, and we're excited about that growth potential. That kind of non-COVID core nucleic acid production business for us has been growing 30% to 35% pretty consistently, and we think there's ability for that to continue to expand as that class moves forward. I think a lot of those companies over the last year have been either a little sidetracked, weren't able to get through their trials or through the work or pivoting to COVID-related applications. They're now back kind of to core mission, and we're seeing that. We're seeing that scheduling. We're seeing that opportunity. I mean, I think we'll see that group advance and even advance faster than they would have before just because of the additional capital that's going into this space right now.
S. Brandon Couillard
analystWhen do you think we'll see the first commercialized therapeutic non-COVID-related that incorporates CleanCap on the market?
Kevin Herde
executiveYes, that's a great question. I mean, we've had certain sort of special use cases in dealing with some very unique cases, which have just been amazing how this technology can work, save lives or correct some really -- some conditions that were previously seen as uncorrectable very early in people's lives. As far as going through the traditional route of clinical trials with this group, I think it's going to be a couple of years. I mean, I think that's just the natural timing of the clinical trial range and what -- some of these indications, and you need the data to support and get the approval. I think from our perspective, that's probably a comfortable timing in supporting all these customers. Again, we have the capacity today. We continue to work with them. And our sweet spot is really in that early discovery research formulation, supporting probably through Phase I. And then we will have to decide how far down the pipeline we support them. Do we go all the way with those class of customers through to commercialization? Or do we do a handoff now that the formulation is set, and it's more of a CRO, CMO type of model for that company going forward? And how do we do that if it's with CleanCap or without? So those are some things that will approach us here, I think, over the next couple of years and also will inform some of our strategic decisions and some of our capacity and manufacturing facility investments.
S. Brandon Couillard
analystLet's switch gears for a minute over to the plasmid DNA side of the business. A new segment for you, you've built out organically. Realizing it's still early in terms of the rollout, but I feel like there's a gold rush happening there right now. We've done several expert calls that have just reinforced the massive supply and demand imbalance in this market. There's, I feel, like a rush for assets. You've seen Charles River, I think, do at least 2 acquisitions. Catalent. Thermo is scaling up in this space. If you had an extra $30 million, I mean, could you go faster? What's kind of the game...
Kevin Herde
executiveWell, we do have an extra $30 million. That's another topic, but...
S. Brandon Couillard
analystCould you just double down and go even faster? I mean, what is preventing this from being like a $20 million, $30 million business in 12 months?
Kevin Herde
executiveYes, you're absolutely right, and we could, and that very well might happen. I'd say, Brandon, for us, we are very focused on quality. We're very focused on supporting sort of the highly complex side of this business and do not participate more on the commodity side of the business. Another example of that is our base oligo business. We basically deemphasized that and it's probably down 50%. I know there's other companies do that very well that's a lower price point, lower margin, higher volume; not where we're focusing. And with the plasmid DNA capabilities, we really brought that in-house because our customers were demanding it. They were getting gated by the industry and it was slowing down their projects, which sort of directly starts to impact us. Since they're not getting into GMP, they're not moving forward as fast, and we wanted to give them a solution. It's something we have the capabilities to do. We built it out. We're focused now on the early adopters, which are our customers. They adopt our messenger RNA, and we're supplying them as well as ourselves the production out of that suite to help them stay on course. We're not going out and selling it into the broader market against some of the larger competitors in the space. You're right, there has been a supply/demand imbalance and there's a lot of people putting a lot of capital behind it. We're going to do that first, make sure we do it right with our closest customers. Make sure we have the quality, the on-time delivery, they're happy with it. And then we'll start evaluating expansion after we've checked all those boxes. And you're right, there's certainly demand out there today. Again, our business model is to be a little bit on the higher end of complexity and customer touch and customization versus broadly competing on more commoditized products in the marketplace for oligonucleotides. But that's something we will assess once we get through this initial launch phase.
S. Brandon Couillard
analystIs that a '22 scenario in which you kind of accelerate a broader commercial rollout?
Kevin Herde
executiveYes. I think it's a decision we'll be making by the end of this year. I think we need to look forward, that 24 to 30 months from a capacity perspective, understand where we're going to really drive high-volume revenues outside of what we have today. That will inform those decisions on what we need from a capacity and manufacturing perspective. So certainly, I think we'll get a lot of good feedback over the course of this second quarter that we had and the third quarter. And by the time we get to the end of the year, I think we'll be able to better inform that strategic direction for plasmid DNAs.
S. Brandon Couillard
analystI want to touch on M&A for a minute. This is a portfolio of businesses obviously been built through acquisitions. What are some of the -- what are the types of business that you're most attracted to? Do you have a preference for established, revenue-generating businesses as opposed to something that's maybe more pre-commercial? And I'd be curious, how many assets have you looked at in the last 12 months? And...
Kevin Herde
executiveYes, quite a few, certainly. It's been a balance. Certainly, the ramping up of our own organic opportunity, the work to go public and then balancing that with access to assets because of the pandemic and other things, it's been a challenging time to really diligence them appropriately. Over the last 3 to 6 months, we've really turned up those efforts. And I'd say we've diligenced quite a few companies and are currently very active as well just because of the flexibility we have with our extremely high cash flow. We're probably at 1x net leverage as we sit here today. We're very interested in bringing in assets that are very close to what we're doing today, primarily in nucleic acid production as well as in biologic safety testing, which is an amazing business for us. And so we're looking up and down our supply chain as well as with complementary technologies that we could not necessarily build, but would be better to buy because of the proprietary processes or intellectual property. And then evaluating the organic investment to do some of those things ourselves, if there's not those hurdles to overcome. So very busy, very active. I think we have a lot of different options, and we may have the opportunity to multiple of them. Again, helping support our customers bring in those complementary technologies and so they don't have to go to so many touch points in their process is what we're hearing from the voice of the customer, and that informs a lot of our decisions.
S. Brandon Couillard
analystWhere would you feel comfortable taking the leverage to? And assuming that number is kind of a 3 handle, is it...
Kevin Herde
executiveYes, yes. It's interesting. You never -- yes, you never want to box yourself in too much. I think when we were a private equity-run company, you had a slightly different number to it. As a public company, I think you want to have a better balance. Like I said, we could easily add a couple of turns for the right asset or even a little bit more if there's something that's truly dynamic and game-changing. We do focus on companies that are profitable or near profitability. We're not looking for long-term science projects. Again, that's just not the type of business we're in. We're in the tools business. We are the picks and shovels into this. We are not introducing new standoff products that are incorporated into end use. So we're supporting our customers. That lends itself to business models that are a little closer to certainly revenue generation, manufacturing, operational excellence and profitability. That's what we've done, and we've been able to accelerate the curves on all the assets we've acquired and feel we have even more scale to do so now. So that's what we're really looking at right now. There might be some nice technology that makes some sense that we're really excited about. We'll take a look. It's going to have to be really compelling to have a change kind of off of the recipe for success that we've had thus far.
S. Brandon Couillard
analystIn the last minute or so we have -- I think one of the most remarkable things about the Maravai business is just the profitability, right, of the company is remarkable. You spend very little in terms of just absolute R&D dollars. Is there room to maybe double that? I mean, are there feasible projects that are attractive enough to [ deserve that money? ]
Kevin Herde
executiveYes, certainly. And we're looking at that. I think one of the exciting things we've been doing over the last couple of quarters is a technical study and white paper in and around CleanCap and how it compares versus other methods, how incremental improvements might look and kind of what the product road map for there -- for that product is. And we look to share that more openly by the end of the third quarter, probably in an R&D Day or Analyst Day type of format. So we're excited about that. And we do need to start to continue to apply more of our internal opportunity organically to drive that as well as our commercial sales and marketing infrastructure, which is also under-indexed versus our competitors. We've historically been highly focused on science and high quality and operations, and I think we've done a great job, and that's generated great cash flows. And we can invest in some of these areas to even drive more growth long term, and that's what we're thinking about.
S. Brandon Couillard
analystSuper. Well unfortunately, we're out of time, so we'll have to leave it there. Kevin, thanks so much for being here and everyone on the line for joining us. Everyone, have a great afternoon.
Kevin Herde
executiveThanks for having us, Brandon.
S. Brandon Couillard
analystThank you.
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