Marks and Spencer Group plc (MKS) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
July 3, 2020
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Archie Norman
executiveGood morning, everyone. I'm Archie Norman, and I want to welcome you to the Marks & Spencer 2020 AGM. Obviously this is going to be quite unlike any other AGM we've ever held. I'm sitting here in Waterside House, our support center, where normally there would be 2,000 people buzzing, around hammering away at the computer, buying, selling, arguing, debating. But today, the building is silent. And behind me, you can see the edifice of St. Mary's Hospital, a hospital where during the height of the COVID crisis, the intensive care unit was full of patients and where our colleagues were delivering daily food parcels to support the NHS workers. I'm wearing my Marks & Spencer suit, in case you're wondering. I'm probably one of the very few people in the country wearing a suit today, and I've got my AGM tie. It's a flamingo tie obviously one of ours. I've checked back and we haven't sold very many ties in the last 3 months and even fewer with flamingos on them. But -- so here we are. And instead of the usual ruckus, AGM we've had at Wembley Stadium with lots of wonderful shareholders, old friends, alumni of the company, pensioners joining us, this is going to be an e-AGM. And of course, I regret the fact that we can't see you all. I hope we'll be able to catch up again in the future. But there's an opportunity in this, too, which is because of this format, anybody in the country, any shareholder, can dial in to the AGM and participate from wherever they are. So we're going to try and make it an exciting and entertaining event, and I hope you're going to enjoy it. In a moment, I'm going to ask Steve Rowe, our Chief Executive, to talk a bit about the performance of the business. I'm then going to introduce the Board. We've got a few changes that I'd like to tell you about. We're going to take questions, probably the highlight of the AGM. We've had some questions already, but we're going to take some live questions, too. And I know that some of you are already limbering up with your ideas. And then finally, we'll do the resolutions and the formal part of the meeting. I'm afraid this year, there's no sandwiches for AGM attendees, but I hope you all got a good lunch in the fridge anyway. First, a few words from me. It's been a tough time for the business, but also, of course, for our shareholders, too. And for us, it's been a huge frustration because we felt with our transformation program, we were starting to show some real progress before the COVID crisis struck. Our Food business was outperforming most other food retailers, and we were seeing some really exciting new products, new stores developing. In Clothing & Home, Womenswear was, for the first time for years, just about holding market share. There's a lot of progress on the ranges, some really stylish product. Menswear is coming through, Lingerie was growing market share to record levels, and we're seeing growth back in Kidswear, too. But that all feels like ancient history now. It's come and gone. And of course, in the last 14 -- 12, 14 weeks, most of our clothing stores, most of the time have been closed. Food, too, has been quite challenged because we're not like the major grocers. Most of our Food business is fresh, sandwiches, ready meals. And so when people are stocking up for the crisis, they were less likely to shop with M&S. And some of our travel locations in stations and airports have obviously been closed. Nonetheless, food has traded quite well and increasingly strongly as we've gone through. But overall, that does mean that the business had been very challenged. And financially, this is a bit of a loss year for shareholders and for the business. For shareholders, there's no dividend this year, and we've said there's not likely going to be a dividend next year either. For colleagues, there's no pay increase, there would be no bonus for management throughout the year, last year or this. And people, with all, that have been working flat out to secure our future and make sure that we do come out of this, stronger than we came in. And behind the scenes, I want you to know that there has been tremendous progress. We've been making a lot of changes. It's alleged that Winston Churchill said never lose the opportunity of a good crisis. And we certainly try to take advantage of the opportunity this gives us. People have been working so differently, working from home, working in a more efficient way, making decisions faster, delegating decisions to the front line and supporting our stores and store colleagues. And that's why we've launched this program that Steve will tell you about called "never the same again" because we want to come back from the crisis a changed business, a business that's moving faster in a sense to move 3 years in one. And with that, too, I want you to know that the Board has been putting in a shift, working hard because we've had to secure the liquidity of the business. To make sure we have the debt facilities to see it through. And of course, we've furloughed 30,000 colleagues and taken advantage of the government debt facilities. The Board has been meeting every single week to discuss progress. We've got 2 new board members, whom I'll introduce in a moment, Tamara and Sapna, and I wanted just to say a huge thank you to Alison Brittain. Alison has been on the Board for the last 6 and a bit years. She's the Chief Executive of Whitbread. She's been a terrific contributor. We'll miss her enormously, but we wish her luck for the future. Finally, a few words about our colleagues. Roughly 50,000 colleagues have been working throughout the crisis, working to keep people fed, working to support the vulnerable, working to minimize the queuing in our stores and to keep them safe. Three of that colleagues have passed away as a result of coronavirus, and our thoughts and prayers are with them and with their families. But overall, we think that the instance of virus amongst our colleagues have been no higher than the national average. So it feels like we've managed to achieve safe working and a safe environment for our customers as well. And to put it in perspective, I decided I'd look up what we've done in the past in similar times of crisis. And I got hold of this book, it's called the Chairman's Reviews at Annual Meetings since the incorporation of the company. And I thought I'd just read to a short passage. This comes from Simon Mark's review, one of my predecessors, on the 10th of June 1943. I won't read it all out. But he says on staff, "Over 1,500 of our men have joined HM forces. It is with deep regret that I have to report that 37 have been killed, 25 are reported missing and 37 are prisoners of war. To the families of the bereaved, we extend our condolences in their sad loss." And he goes on to say of our pre-War staff of 20,000, only 3,000 are still with us, the majority having left to take up other work of national importance in the war effort. So this is tough, but there've been -- it was even tougher then. And that was the time when the business traded throughout the war despite having stores destroyed by bombs and came out much stronger. And our objective is to do the same again. So I want to conclude by thanking you all, thanking the shareholders, particularly for their patience but thanking our colleagues for their incredible sport for the business. This business was founded in 1884. In the last century, we built a great business. And in the next century, our plan is to build an even greater business for the future. That's all from me. In a moment, I'm going to introduce Steve Rowe. But before doing that, just a little bit of fun. We wanted to find out how all our shareholders are feeling, both before our meeting and after. So we're going to conduct a mood poll, and you'll see it on your screen around now. And the question is, "How confident do you feel about the future of Marks & Spencer?" The voting instructions are on the screen, and you have to choose on a scale of 1 to 10. We'd love to know how you're feeling. Now while you do that, I'm going to hand over to Steve Rowe, our Chief Executive.
Steve Rowe
executiveThank you, Archie. Good morning to all of you, and thank you for joining us today. Before we move on to the business of today's AGM, there are 3 things I want to cover with you. Firstly, a brief summary of our progress last year. Secondly, our response to COVID-19 and how that is shown as what M&S is capable of. I will cover the decisive action taken to secure the future of your business and the lessons we have learned in our response to this crisis. And finally, as we face into a future of which none of us can be certain, we have drawn up our "never the same again" program. This morning, I want to show you virtually our Stratford store, how we're using the lessons of this crisis to accelerate the parts of the transformation necessary for M&S to succeed in this new consumer landscape and to ensure M&S is changed for good. To start, a brief overview of our performance last year. We reported an adjusted profit of GBP 403 million, which included an estimated adverse impact on trading of around GBP 52 million for the pandemic in March. Prior to this, 2019/'20 was a year of good progress against our transformation. We completed our acquisition of 50% of Ocado Retail, which will accelerate growth in food and is now more relevant and strategically valuable than ever. Our Food business consistently outperformed the market. And in Clothing, we began to see the green shoots of resetting the business in the second half. The work we have done to reengineer the basic infrastructure of the business has helped us to respond to the crisis in a more agile way. Reflecting the accountable business model, we've shifted to segmental reporting of Food, Clothing & Home and International, and our performance illustrates the strength and flexibility of having combined operations under 1 M&S brand, which has never been more important. From the outset, we recognize that we are facing a crisis whose effects and aftershocks will last for the coming year and beyond. Despite the trauma of the crisis for everyone, I have never been more proud to lead M&S. The way our people have rallied to support our customers and communities has been nothing short of awe-inspiring. As a business, it has galvanized us to take decisive action to secure the future of the business. Our first priority was to ensure we have substantial liquidity for the next 18 months. We've done this under a proven COVID-19 scenario, which was formulated in the early days of lockdown and has been stress-tested to even greater downside, should that be required. Relative to the original budget, the scenario assumes very substantial declines in Clothing & Home sales in the U.K. and International with volatile trading in Food. This does not represent a forecast but is a means against which we have planned over 1 billion of steps to reduce costs and manage cash flow. Turning to the cost and cash actions. We've had to take some difficult decisions to secure the business for the long term, which have affected you, our shareholders. This includes the cancellation of the final dividend for last year. We appreciate your patience. There have been 3 major sources of cost reductions. First, we have deferred all nonessential spending. These include freezing pay all levels in our business, pausing recruitment activity as well as marketing and some technology spend. Second is saving in areas related to volumes, such as logistics. And finally, under the scenario where we received over 170 million of very welcome business rates of relief and 50 million of furlough receipts as reported at our full year results. The balance sheet will also be supported by substantial reductions in CapEx, where we are focused solely on high-return, short payback activity. As the U.K.'s leading clothing retailer, one of the biggest challenges has been to manage the backlog of unsold stock and the forward pipeline of stock, too. In the graphic, you can see, as part of our cash management, we canceled around GBP 100 million worth of summer orders. We drastically reduced our future commitment and are holding as much more open to buy. However, in support of our long-standing supplier partners, we have paid for all garments in production and fabric, which was already committed to prior to the crisis. In addition to this activity, we've undertaken a detailed exercise to manage the flow of our stock. This will see us carryover year-round products, an area of strength for M&S, into the autumn/winter season, as well as hibernating our seasonal stock until spring/summer '21. As you can see on this graphic, we expect the group to experience an adverse movement in cash flow under our scenario, with a peak drawdown of facilities in the early autumn. However, as I said, one of our first priorities was to secure our liquidity position. And relative to the GBP 1.4 billion of combined credit facilities, we will retain very substantial headroom even at the peak. While the scenario assumes we end the year with drawings of GBP 300 to GBP 350 million, we shared our full results that in the first 6 weeks, we'd outperformed this by over GBP 150 million. In addition, the balance sheet will benefit from the saving of our final dividend. This leaves the possibility of the group being close to structurally undrawn on its facilities by the end of the year and able to invest in additional high-return opportunities as we better understand the trading patterns. While some customer habits will return to normal, others have changed forever. The trend towards digital has accelerated and changes to the shape of the High Street, bulk forward. Most importantly, working habits have been transformed, and we have discovered we can work in a faster, leaner and more effective way. We are determined to act now to capture this and deliver a renewed, more agile business in a world that will never be the same again. On the screen now, you can see the valuable lessons we've learned during this crisis. We are committed to making these positives permanent through our "never the same again" program. And to bring this to life, I paid a visit to our Stratford store. [Presentation]
Archie Norman
executiveWell, thank you, Steve. A terrific presentation. Here we are. This stage of our AGM is going to be a bit more like breakfast television than Wembley Stadium. Although we can't share some for social distancing purposes. I hope you'll forgive me, I've taken off my flamingo tie for the occasion, and I hope that all the viewers don't think I'm improperly dressed. Normally, I know that some of our AGM attenders buy a special outfit each year for the AGM. So I hope you're all sitting at home in your finery. We can't see you, but I'm sure you're all looking magnificent. This session is going to take about 45 minutes and maybe a little longer. We'll see how the questions go. I'm going to start off by giving you the results of the mood poll that you all participated in. I'm going to talk through the -- introduce the Board and the new Board members, and then we're going to come on to questions. And we got hundreds of questions literally come in ahead of the AGM. And Nick, I'm hearing that there's dozens and dozens of questions coming in as we speak online.
Nick Folland
executiveAbsolutely. I've got them in front of me, so I'll ask a few as well.
Archie Norman
executiveSo if you see Nick kicking me as we go along, it's not because I've said the wrong thing. It's because it's time to take a live question. You'll see as we go. Now so let's come on to the mood poll. So what -- the exciting news is we have had a tremendous participation. 1,415 people have voted in the mood poll. And we have incidentally, literally hundreds of shareholders online watching this session. So the results of the mood poll, remember, is 1 to 10, "How do you feel, how confident do you feel about the future of M&S", and the result -- average result is 6 out of 10, which actually, it's not bad, Steve, is it? I mean in the circumstances, it could have been a lot lower.
Steve Rowe
executiveVery good considering [indiscernible].
Archie Norman
executiveNow we're going to take another mood poll at the end of the meeting to see if we've moved on from 6 or gone down to 5 as a result of what we said. So we'll see how that goes. You're the scorekeepers. Okay. Let's move on from there now to introduce the Board. In the room here, I have on my right, Nick Folland. Nick is our company Secretary and Corporate Counsel, and he's the guy who keeps us all on the straight and narrow.
Nick Folland
executiveYes.
Archie Norman
executiveSo welcome, Nick.
Nick Folland
executiveThank you.
Archie Norman
executiveThere's myself; Steve Rowe, you all know as our illustrious Chief Executive.
Steve Rowe
executiveMorning.
Archie Norman
executiveAnd Owen Tong is joining us for his first AGM. He's just joined us. Steve -- Eoin, you've been with us...
Eoin Tonge
executiveThis is the end of my fourth week.
Archie Norman
executiveFourth week and still here as Finance Director, and Eoin is going to say a few words in a moment. The Board. I think most of you will know members of the Board. We're not all in the room because we couldn't all fit in the room, but all Board members are online, a part is basing in the meeting. I just want to run through them very quickly and then ask the new members of the Board to introduce themselves. Andy Halford is our senior independent Director, and he also admirably chairs the Audit Committee. Andy is Finance Director of Standard & Chartered. He's been on the Board for about 7 years, and he's an absolute pillar for me and I think for all members of the Board and a terrific contributor. Andrew Fisher was one of the -- was a digital entrepreneur, built up Shazam, which was successfully sold to Apple, is now Chairman of Rightmove and does a number of other things. He is also Chairman of the Remuneration Committee, and enormously important to us on a variety of fronts. Justin King, you may say Justin didn't need any introduction. I think he might say that. He was Chief Executive of Sainsbury's for around about 10 years. Immensely well known, formally worked at Asda. And of course, formally, is actually himself, an alumni of M&S. And one of the people who developed Simply Food and the Food business into the form it is today. Pip McCrostie has been, again, a terrific contributor for us. She was formerly Head of Corporate Finance and build up the corporate finance globally for Ernst & Young. She now does a variety of board work and other things, and she's been with us for about 2 years on the Board now and been a terrific addition. Now we've got 2 new Board members, and we thought because you haven't met them and can't meet them physically, we asked them to introduce themselves. First, start with Tamara Ingram.
Tamara Ingram
executiveHello. My name is Tamara Ingram. Just to give you a little insight into myself, I'm passionate about people, consumers, brand and marketing. I've been Chief Executive of many advertising agencies and the global Chief Executive of J. Walter Thompson. Not only do I have a passion for driving business forward, I also, in my private life, love the theater and sat on many theater Boards, and I'm a fan of the Arsenal Football Club. Sad for many, sometimes joys for me. I have 2 fantastic children, Max and Anya. I'm so thrilled and honored to be sitting on the Board of M&S now because we're at an extraordinary turning point. As a transformation, so digitalization to [indiscernible] to what is happening in Food, to what is happening in Clothing. And it will be a privilege to be part of taking this extraordinary British brand forward.
Sapna Sood
executiveHello, I'm Sapna Sood. So I was born in the U.K. but grew up in Australia. And. since then, I've really had a global career. Spending 18 years living in 8 countries and working in industries like cement to gases and now in food services. During that time, I've spent time in operations and also large transformational roles as well. I've spent the last 4 years or so being a non-Executive Director at the Kering Group, the French luxury group, where I was Head of Sustainability, a subject that I'm very passionate about, along with diversity and inclusion. For me, when I was first approached about the role at M&S, I was incredibly excited. M&S for me stands for quality of product, great customer service and a strong tradition as well. Looking forward, I see the transformation takes all of these into account, looks at the products and where they're going and the supply chain. And this is encompassed by having a robust technology and digital framework. And that's really about the transformation of Marks & Spencer's, which is so exciting to be a part of.
Archie Norman
executiveWell, thank you, Tamara and Sapna, absolutely amazing to have you on board and terrific introductions. And now I'm now going to turn to Eoin. Eoin, you are 4 weeks in. Tell us a bit about yourself.
Eoin Tonge
executiveThank you, Archie, and I'm delighted to be here for my first AGM as the new Chief Financial Officer, and good morning, everybody. I spent the last 26 years working in a variety of financial roles. Most recently, at Greencore Group plc, where I served as CFO and they are a key supplier to Marks & Spencer. And it was really there that I spent a lot of time getting to know the company and the culture. And it's a brand that I've always long-admired. So it's a real privilege for me now to join and to be part of the team to drive the transformation. It's obviously an interesting time to join. The COVID crisis presented a lot of challenges to everyone across the world. But I think it really does present a real opportunity for change for us as a company. And I'm personally committed to bringing capital discipline and strategic challenge to that change. As you might hear, I'm from Ireland. I was born in Dublin. I currently now live in Leeds actually with my family, and of course, that's the home of Marks and Spencer. So thank you, and great to be here.
Archie Norman
executiveWell, thank you, Eoin and it's absolutely terrific to have Eoin on board. Now we're going to come to the really exciting part of the AGM, which is the questions. Just as you are clear, I'm going to read out the questions, the questions we've already received. And I'm going to turn to Nick to read out the live questions as they come in and we'll alternate between the 2. Just in case you're wondering, we're going to take the fast bowling and the slow. So you'll see, we've got some ripping questions and some really fascinating points. I'm going to try and take the questions where there's a lot of interest. We've got multiple questions on things like Ocado and so on. So we'll make sure we take those.
Archie Norman
executiveI'm going to start with a question from one of our original small shareholder panel members and somebody who's been a loyal attender of M&S AGMs. It's Mr. Chander Hingorani, and Chander's asked, "Many of the big groups are having to close shops due to the growth of online. How will this affect M&S? And what do you plan to do with stock you've been unable to sell in the lockdown? Will you have a huge sale?" So I'm going to ask Steve to talk about what we do with the surplus stock, which obviously is a big issue because of the lockdown. First of all, on are we closing stores, I think it's well known as part of the transformation program, we are closing stores, and we're not at the end of that process. But it's important to understand that really, what we're trying to do is rotate our store portfolio because we've inherited -- this management team has inherited a legacy of some very old and some quite out-of-date stores. And some of them are terrific, but some of them do need upgrading. And as a result, we are progressively closing down underperforming stores and then opening new stores, which can be very, very profitable for us. And we do see opportunities on both sides as a result of the crisis. Now let's us talk about the surplus stock because obviously with the crisis, demand's being well down, our clothing stores have closed, are being closed for a large part. So we haven't been seeing a lot of clothing and all the spring and summer ranges have been here. Steve, what are we going to do about it?
Steve Rowe
executiveWell, Archie, this crisis hit retail almost the worst possible time. We were at the end of a spring season, we were just introducing summer merchandise. And of course, we're producing autumn/winter merchandise at the same time. We had 3 seasons worth of stock. We've talked about the downside scenario facing the business. And that looked like we had probably about GBP 1.5 billion worth of merchandise too much in the system. And it really was the absolute focus of the Clothing & Home team. The first thing we had to do is work with our suppliers. The relationship with the suppliers are very strong, as you know. We made sure we paid in full for any merchandise that was on the production lines, and we've agreed to take that at the right time. Additionally, we've picked up the commitments from the fabric that we had ordered and make sure we've got payment terms for those in place. So I think we've done the right thing and better than most of the retailers. However, there was a lot of stock on the way and a lot of stock in the U.K. and demand, as you said, really is subdued. The first week after lockdown, we were 85% behind last year's sales on clothing. We've had to take some deep storage. And we're going to hibernate some merchandise. And the advantage is that much of the merchandising clothing home is flow, great wardrobe essential product. Cash may jump out actually.
Archie Norman
executiveSo hibernate means we're going to put it away until this time next year or spring next year?
Steve Rowe
executiveAbsolutely. So we've got some merchandise, which is core and great value product, which we'll sell this year and next year. And we've made sure that's hibernating.
Archie Norman
executiveAbout how much are we going to hide given the...
Steve Rowe
executiveWell, there's about GBP 500 million worth of selling value, Archie, of that merchandise. Really, things we know and love, best M&S products, leggings, fresh feet socks, cashmere jumpers, and that's great. So we've got that planned. We have, of course, got too much surplus spring and summer merchandise. And what we have done is had a series of sales rather than 1 huge one. And what we've done with that is given 10% of the proceeds to the National Households Trust, which is about us playing our part in the community.
Archie Norman
executiveThis is the rainbow sale.
Steve Rowe
executiveAbsolutely, the rainbow sale, and the customers have thoroughly loved what we're doing. So I think we've done the right thing for the shareholder. But also the right thing for the consumer and for the communities working. And we are looking forward to a rebound in the autumn. And as a back to work, back-to-school.
Archie Norman
executiveYes. Back-to-school would be very big, wouldn't it?
Steve Rowe
executiveBack-to-school should be very big. We're the market leaders in school where as you know, there can't be a kid in the country who's got a school uniform that fits at the moment.
Archie Norman
executiveSo to Chander's point, in a sense, we are having a big sale. There's a limit to what we could do because the demand at the moment isn't really there. But the whole industry is in the same place.
Steve Rowe
executiveThe whole industry is in the same place. We have been trading our stores, and our colleagues have done a fantastic job getting ready for opening. We've created what we think is a very, very safe environment and customers are responding well. And we're starting to see them come back, but this is a problem we've got to deal with.
Archie Norman
executiveAll right. Thank you, Steven. And to Chander, thank you for that question. Now we've had a lot of questions about Ocado. You'll all know that the Ocado switchover from Waitrose supply to M&S supply is due in September. So it's quite a big moment for us, a huge amount of plan has gone into that. But I wanted to take one now and then Steve, ask you to say a few words on how you see it going. Michael Kelly says, "When our joint venture with Ocado starts in September, will shareholders get priority delivery slots?" Now this is quite a tricky question because I mean tricky in the sense, it's a good question because Ocado, during the crisis, of course, been in huge demand. Any number of existing Ocado customers increasing their orders and additional people trying to get on to the Ocado delivery circuit. And as a result, because they distribute out of these big CFCs, these robotic warehouses, they're operating at capacity. Right now, they're at capacity. So we can't say how much scope there will be for new M&S customers or shareholders after switchover. It's likely to be very limited. Of course, as a result of this, Ocado doing extremely well, and we expect in the next year or so to hugely increase the capacity. So there should be in time, room for everybody. But it is going to take time, isn't it, Steve?
Steve Rowe
executiveYes. I mean, we really had plans in place to extend the capacity of Ocado and Ocado Retail with M&A. About 1/3 of the Ocado business has an M&S customer involved in that transaction. And of course, we want many more, but it is limited by the location of those CFCs, customer fulfillment centers, and there are 4 in progress at the moment, Bristol, Purfleet, Andover and extensions to areas. Now I've been to see those and progress is good, but it really is the start of New Year where we get extra capacity within the Ocado system.
Archie Norman
executiveSo a huge capacity expansion in Ocado coming. So this could be very exciting. But we should see this as a 3-year process, not just as a September process.
Steve Rowe
executiveAbsolutely. There are still areas of the country where Ocado aren't represented. We know Scotland and Northern Ireland currently aren't represented and it's going to take us some 3 to 5 years to extend the reach of Ocado in total. But I think this does show you why it was absolutely the right investment to become a joint venture. This is where the food business is going.
Archie Norman
executiveIt's an interesting point. When we did the Ocado acquisition, and we had to have a rights issue to finance it. I think it's fair to say that shareholders were pretty divided. There was some who were enthusiastic but quite a number who are pretty skeptical. We're not hearing any skepticism now?
Steve Rowe
executiveNo. None at all actually.
Archie Norman
executiveYes. So we're delighted with the progress we're making in Ocado, but it is going to be a big program, and it will take 2 or 3 years to get the delivery slots in place. Thank you, Michael, for that question. I'm glad to be able to get that all on the table. Now no AGM would be complete without John Farmer. And John, you've been a great supporter and a great critic and dialogue partner for the company. You've come to a lot of our small shareholder lunches and we're sorry we can't have you in the room. But you sent in characteristically a question. And of course, it's not 1 question. It's about 3 questions because that's what you always do. I'm going to read it out, and then we'll have a go at answering it, all right? So John asks, he makes a statement, really, it's not even a question. But what he's asking is total shareholder return to March was minus some 50%. A decline starting well before coronavirus -- the coronavirus pandemic, below even the FTSE 100, especially disappointing as 2019/'20 final dividend and next year's dividend are canceled. He puts in brackets, proportionately all or partly at bank consistent is not quite true. What saliently will the Board be doing to rectify a decade of incompetence and when? And he goes on to say, "Why does Marks & Spencer underperform the competition and what is being done to rectify it?" Revenue is GBP 10.2 billion and profitable for tax is only GBP 67.2 million. Actually, John, the profitable tax is GBP 403 million before adjusting items, you've taken adjusting items off, which is what it gets to GBP 67.2 million. But that's sort of -- is the glass half full, glass-half-empty way of looking, isn't it? So John, we can tell you we're on cracking form. Steve, I'm going to ask you to talk a little bit about this. But what I'd say is we completely recognize what John is saying, I mean we're all here to drive shareholder value and to build a great business for the future. But what we inherited and started with 2.5 years ago when we started the transformation program was a company that's in decline. And we've been taking all the steps we've been doing, the transformation, big changes in management team, in culture in the way we're organized in the ranges in Clothing & Home, which Steve has already been talking about. We're going to talk about more in food, where we're now prior to COVID move back into a position where we're leading the market and outperform most of our competitors. So this is what the transformation program is all about. None of us want to be in a position where we see the share price go down. We're all shareholders in this one. None of us want to be in a position where we have to cut the dividend. And it's just a painful consequence of where we are. Steve, do you want to talk quickly, without recapping your entire presentation, about what we're doing to remedy the Board's incompetence?
Steve Rowe
executiveWell, the first thing I'd say, Archie, and finish to the question, we should point out the GBP 235 million of the difference between that PBIT and the adjusted profit actually relates to stock write-off for COVID-19 and that's the Clothing & Home stock, and we had to take an adjustment there. I had thought at the end of February when we did our presentation, I'd be saying something rather different to that which I did in the video. Our Food business had outperformed the market for 51 out of 52 weeks. We've seen volume growth, value growth and new customers in every area of foods, which was fantastic. And even in Clothing, at the end of February, we were 0.3 like-for-like on the year. Something we hadn't been for a long time. Now clearly, there's so much more to do. And COVID has changed the world. But we -- because of the work we've done on some of the foundational system development, we're able to course through the first phase of this in good shape. And I do believe we're going to come out of this a stronger, better business.
Archie Norman
executiveI mean this Board is here to turn around the business. That is what we're all here for and be working incredibly hard to doing that. And one of the really frustrating things about COVID is that before it struck in the first quarter of this year, we thought we were really showing some progress. I mean I think we referred to green shoots. I mean, yes. But the Food business were performing strongly. In Womenswear, we thought we were just about holding market share for the first time for some time, pretty close to flat sales in stores, growth online. Menswear was becoming more contemporary, more relevant. We were growing market share in Lingerie.
Steve Rowe
executiveYes. It's the biggest ever market share in Lingerie, and 37.6% share of the bra market in the U.K.
Archie Norman
executiveWe accept there's much more to do, but we thought we're going to be able to show a bit of leg and then the crisis came in and so closed it all down.
Steve Rowe
executiveAbsolutely. And the change at the end of March was severe, both in terms of -- it was traumatic for the business as it was for the nation.
Archie Norman
executiveSo thank you, John, for the question. We could talk a lot longer, but thank you for the question, and we hope you are well. Now we've got questions pinging in live, and Nick here has got -- I'm seeing him scrolling through the computer. Nick, pick a live question for us and let's see what we can do.
Nick Folland
executiveYes. Okay, thank you, Archie, I'll do that. This one is from Ms. Jennifer [ DeYoung ]. So thank you for the question. She says, "Why has M&S not managed to put together a delivery service like Sainsbury's Chop Chop and Waitrose' Rapid during lockdown? A huge opportunity lost while waiting for Ocado in September.
Archie Norman
executiveYes. Very relevant question. And of course, we've seen this huge switchover to online. And food delivery is not just us, but everybody's. There is absolute record levels. And it's true that some of our competitors because they're not with Ocado being able to expand capacity faster than us. But why haven't we done a Chop Chop, Steve?
Steve Rowe
executiveWell, Archie, I have to tell you the food team did a fantastic job in responding. Not only did they make sure we had supply of the essential merchandise. This fundamentally had to change our offer. We have a food offer, which is based around convenience and sandwiches, which, of course, all declined immediately and moved very much more to scratch cooking. They reacted instantly. And where we were behind the food business in the U.K. and the deliveries, we're now ahead.
Archie Norman
executiveWhat about Chop Chop?
Steve Rowe
executiveWell, secondly, we don't have the facilities or the structure to do in-store pick. That's why we partnered with Ocado.
Archie Norman
executiveIn-store pick, it means you pick it out of the store to...
Steve Rowe
executiveAbsolutely, absolutely. So the first thing the team did was put together food boxes. And we've sold over 100,000 of these. And they did that within 2 weeks, making sure we gave them to the shielded customers [indiscernible].
Archie Norman
executiveAnd these are the fruit boxes, the ready meal boxes?
Steve Rowe
executiveWe've got ready meals, fruit, we've got groceries one, we've got a [indiscernible] prepared meals one. It's actually a fantastic range. And the customers have been really quite grateful about our response here. And then more recently, we've had a limited partnership with ourselves and BP and Deliveroo. And that is really a short stop until we get into Ocado. So I think we have...
Archie Norman
executiveYou order an M&S product through Deliveroo? [indiscernible].
Steve Rowe
executiveAbsolutely. At the moment, you can. And they will deliver it to you within the timeframe they suggested, half an hour. So I think we have responded as we can. But again, it shows the importance of that Ocado transformation. The other thing I would say, we did try and make sure that those customers that are vulnerable and shielded could access our foods. We were the first retailer to introduce a volunteered gift card. So those helping people assured you could come into our stores and get food and do the grocery shop.
Archie Norman
executiveSo Jennifer, I hope that answers part of your question. We have responded. We can't do exactly what Sainsbury's and other people are doing. But I think the team has done a great job, and you'll see more of that in the future. Okay. So back to the pre questions, I think we'll move to Womenswear. Womenswear in a sense is the heart of the heart of M&S. And quite rightly, we've got some -- a lot of questions around the womenswear range. What are we doing? Is it making progress. So I'm going to take one from Margaret Taylor. Margaret asks, "Please consider cutting the number of your womenswear fashion lines and concentrate on what sells best. It's too confusing in-store." I love this question, Steve, because it's actually on the nail. It's very much what I've -- and I think you've been saying for some time. And we think we are making some progress. Tell us a bit about it.
Steve Rowe
executiveWell, it's unfortunate that Margaret couldn't actually come into the stores because we've been rather shut to see the progress we've made. We have talked about this over a number of AGMs, and it's something that we've been really focused on. [ Jill ] [indiscernible] and the team, I think, have made really good progress. And you will have seen, if you came in today, a substantial reduction in the number of lines, about 12%. But we said things will never be the same again. And the absolute focus on core merchandise that team has got. As women -- when we get to the autumn of this year, we'll have done exactly what Margaret says. There'll be 30% less Womenswear lines than there were 2 years ago, no duplication. And what's important, it means we'll be buying in bigger volumes, greater depth. And it means we've been able to improve the values because of that.
Archie Norman
executiveSo our 30% less lines is a big shift, and we hope that, that means when you come into the shops, hopefully you will in the autumn. You'll be able to see those choices much more clearly, and it will make shopping easier for everybody, and we'll be concentrating on the fast selling lines.
Steve Rowe
executiveAnd that's exactly right. We're famous for our wardrobe essentials. Fantastic products, great quality, great fit. And that's exactly what you're going to see this autumn.
Archie Norman
executiveNow let's continue on the theme of Womenswear because we've got another great question, one of my favorites, from James [indiscernible] , who's asking on -- he wants to emphasize on behalf of his wife, "Why is there never enough of the popular sizes, 14 to 16 or short sizes in the shops?" And this has been a -- it has been a theme, hasn't it, Steve, there's been a lot of frustration around this. We -- in -- for whatever reason, when we started 2.5 years ago on the transformation program, we hadn't got what we call the ratio packs right. And all too often, you go into stores, and you found the mid-sizes, the fast-moving ones that sold out, and there were only the large and very small sizes left, so frustrating for customers. Steve, what are we doing about it?
Steve Rowe
executiveWell, Archie, it's frustrating for customers, it's frustrating for me, and this has been a common theme at this meeting. I think, as Margaret suggested, the number of lines was one of the key issues. We had too many lines, we were buying too shallow. And that meant we couldn't get those ratios right and the availability that we were seeing in stores reflected that. Now as we've brought down the number of lines, we'll be buying in more depth, better ratios. But alongside that, the transformational foundational plans we've been talking about, we have changed the warehouse management systems in every warehouse. We've managed to get to a single tier network and improve the rate of delivery out of Castle Donington, which means availability in the autumn will again take a step forward.
Archie Norman
executiveSo James, please tell your wife, we're on to it. I'm not saying it's all going to be solved in the autumn, but we are making progress. And it is absolutely right that we haven't been getting the size ratios, right. And as a result, we've been seeing too many of the sizes that people didn't really want. I'm not saying that people didn't want large and small, but the big selling sizes, they're mid sizes. So we're onto that. Now Nick is still glaring at me because he's got all these questions coming in, and we're not answering them. So Nick, give us another live question.
Nick Folland
executiveCertainly will, and I'll take us back to food, if I may. This is a question from Mr. Robert Warren. And he says, "Food is a great strength and as can be seen -- as can be seen by the recent pandemic. It's a basic need that has to be available despite any emergency. Ocado should add even more strength, but how soon can we expect to see larger food hauls with wider ranges on the High Street?"
Archie Norman
executiveWell, that's a great question, and thank you, Robert, for raising it because we're a little careful about what we say, but we're really excited about our food business. We were outperforming the competition for the crisis. Actually, through the crisis, performance has been good, but we've been impaired by the closedown of travel occasions and the switch away from sandwiches and so on. So we haven't had the advantages, the major growth has had, but we are pleased with our performance. And we've got Ocado coming in. So that's going to give us a big increase in volume as we supply the Ocado volume, and that helps our buying terms. It also means that we'll be able to take advantage of Ocado's ability to buy branded products. So there's lots of good things happening in food. And with that, Stuart Machin and the team have developed a new format, which is larger. We call it the renewal format. You can see it in our Clapham store or Hedgren store, and the results are quite exciting. So we are hoping going forward that we will be able to roll out a new format, which really expresses the freshness and range that Ocado deliver. And we think that it will be capable of trading in larger floor spaces, so larger stores. Steve, how do you feel about it?
Steve Rowe
executiveWell, very excited, Archie. I mean, there are a couple of aspects to this. The first thing, though, in terms of the synergies we promised with Ocado, I can tell you that Stuart and the team have done a great job working through the additional values we can get through volume. And what we're going to see in the business in the autumn is 6,000 M&S products replace 4,000 Waitrose products at better values, some 6% less at the moment than Waitrose or better or the same quality. So that's very exciting in terms of how we've used that moment. But the sales in the stores, those renewal stores you talked about have been phenomenal. And I can actually tell you the Hedgren store has been the #1 store during this COVID crisis since that renewal program. And it's given us the confidence to push out further. And Mr. Warren asked the question about will we see more larger food stores, absolutely. We're going to extend the food stores in another 49 stores this autumn. And indeed extend the range of groceries, as Archie mentioned.
Archie Norman
executiveSo thank you, Robert, and brilliant question. And we'll come on to another live 1 in a moment. But I did want to take this question because people are asking about remuneration. And I don't want to just because we're having this format to look as we're not going to answer that question. It is absolute right. There's the time of national crisis. Our Board believe very strongly that leaders have to lead, and that means that we all have to play our part. And that does mean that at this time, we have to show real restraint on executive pay. So Tom asks, "Why are the directors only deferring and not canceling their bonuses." And he goes on to say, "The dividend is being canceled and is unfair that shareholders bear the brunt of pandemic financial strain. And I completely -- I would completely agree with him. Firstly, let me be clear: The directors are not getting a bonus this year. They're not getting a bonus next year in all probability. So bonuses are canceled. And with that, we've got a -- there's going to be no pay increase for directors of any kind. Actually, probably no pay increase for the whole company because we will have to share in this. But there's no pay increase for the directors. And I would just point out on behalf of Steve. Steve's take-home pay is coming down. And the reason it's coming down is because he has a significant pension allowance at the moment. And in line with the corporate governance guidelines, we're reducing his pension allowance so it comes back. It will revert to the norm for all colleagues. So Steve's pay is actually not only not getting a bonus. His pay is actually reducing this year. I think what Tom may have been referring to is we have something called the PSP, the longer-term incentive plan. We're keeping that in place. We don't know how we're going to adjust the incentives and the criteria for this year yet. So we've deferred that decision. But obviously longer-term incentives are going to be adversely affected as a result of the COVID crisis, as a result for our performance, along with the short-term bonuses. So that is going to be impaired as well. And so Tom, please be assured, we're in the same place on this. We're all agreeing that the leaders have to show the same restraint as everybody else. On the dividend. Clearly, it's a very painful thing for us to be canceling the dividend. None of us are happy about that. But let's be clear, the future value of this business for shareholders is not really about this year now. It's about next year and the shape we come out of it. So Eoin, you've had a good look through the balance sheet. You arrived actually when the dividend already been canceled so people can't blame you for that. Tell us what you -- tell us how do you see it? And how do you see the balance sheet? And how do you see it coming out of this?
Eoin Tonge
executiveWell, I firstly would say, I think it's my job to map out the path to getting back to paying the dividend. I think like every company in the world, we've had to take some tough decisions to reflect the crisis that we're in. And Steve painted out those decisions earlier. We've GBP 1 billion of measures across cost reductions, government actions and cash management initiatives, including the cancellation of dividend. Now obviously, I inherited all of those actions, but having looked at all of them, they're clearly necessary for 2 reasons: one is to protect the business to navigate through this crisis, but secondly, and critically importantly, is to position the business for coming out of the crisis. I think we have got good financial liquidity available to navigate through the crisis. But we now have to start positioning ourselves, as you say, for next year and how we're going to come out stronger out of this crisis.
Archie Norman
executiveAnd let us remember, actually before, you're right, but at the beginning of this crisis, that this business was hemorrhaging about GBP 100 million of cash a month. And we could see this unfolding through the year. So we had some pretty tense times. And that's why we had to cancel our dividend to make sure the business was going to come out of it in good shape for the future. We're now performing better than that and better than our downside scenario. But we're still -- we've got hard yards still to travel.
Eoin Tonge
executiveWe do. But I would be pleased in the first 4 weeks since I've been here that the focus is all around cash and making sure that we can protect the balance sheet for when we do emerge.
Archie Norman
executiveAll right. Thank you, Eoin. Okay, we're eating up the time, and we've had so many good questions. I did want to carry on just because maybe for another 2 or 3 questions. We'll take another one -- another live one in a moment. But there's so many important things to answer. On the environment. We've got a lot of questions in particularly around plastic. And I think despite COVID and everything else, it's still very much on people's minds. So Eric Conroy has asked a really good question, and Steve, I'm going to ask you to respond to this. He says, "I see an awful lot of plastic packaging in supermarkets, including M&S since COVID-19. We had too much plastic before the pandemic but it has got worse since. Will M&S reduce plastic packaging, especially soft plastic that can't be recycled? And can compostable plastic be used instead?"
Steve Rowe
executiveI mean this is something that concerns many customers and many shareholders. And whilst it may not be in the headlines at the moment because of the COVID crisis, it's still a major concern for everybody. And it's a particular focus for the business. I think we made good progress last year. We took over 2,000 tonnes of plastic out of the business, really led by the Food group. And what I think is really good here is the changes we've made to packaging in foods to make sure that we move towards 100% recyclable packaging by 2022. Today, we took out all of the black packaging that was in our ready meals, which is not recyclable by many councils, and we're 77% of our plastic is now recyclable in our food business. We expect that, that will continue, as I said, to 2022. And we are investigating compostable plastic. And we're working with Imperial College to develop that, which really deals with the littering aspects of plastics.
Archie Norman
executiveCombustible means it degrades in landfill or in your compost bin.
Steve Rowe
executiveAbsolutely. So we aim to have a closed-loop on plastic and all of our carrybags, for example, are now closed-loop plastics. But what we need to do is make sure that where there is littering, we can biodegrade that plastic so that it just goes away.
Archie Norman
executiveSo I think one of the things people felt during the COVID crisis is they've been seeing at home, getting their online deliveries from Amazon or Argos or wherever. And it does always feel with them comes on an awful lot of packaging and some of it, plastic packaging. When we switch over to Ocado, we're going to be in quite good shape because Ocado are very environmentally friendly aren't they?
Steve Rowe
executiveReally environmentally friendly. First of all, the way they set their vehicles up and the types of vehicles they use, many of them are electrical hybrid, is -- really leads the way. The density of drop is very efficient from an environmental point of view. And actually, they're delivering carrybags.
Archie Norman
executiveIf you're delivering large drops, not lots of little...
Steve Rowe
executiveLarge drops rather than lots of little packages like Amazon would, but this is a bigger customer orders. They do put it in carrier bags for the convenience of the customer. But again, they take the mood back and recycle them. That's a closed-loop system as well.
Archie Norman
executiveYou'll get your carrier. They arrive in a tray in carrier bags, and then they come and collect the carrier bags and take them back.
Steve Rowe
executiveAbsolutely. Absolutely.
Archie Norman
executiveYes, yes. Thank you, Eric. Really topical question. Something incidentally, we do believe very passionately about it. As you know, with our plan A, Nick's been working on this. It's a really, really important issue for us, and we need to be market-leading. Now I think we should take one more live question. I'm sorry, we can't answer them all. We'd be here all day. Let's take one more live question, and then I'm going to come on -- because we have touched on Womenswear and have touched on Menswear, and we need to do that before we finish. Nick?
Nick Folland
executiveArchie, this is from Ms. Louise Cox, and it's a slightly longer question. I hope I'll do it justice, but thank you for the question. She says, "COVID has created demand shock. But as a brand, we seem to have lost our values being responsive, being empathetic, trusted and innovative. Instead, we're focusing on Sparks and Victoria's Secrets, both of which don't feel a priority in the current climate. M&S used to lead the way in times of national crisis. What we're prioritizing to uphold values and drive business for customers in the current climate?"
Archie Norman
executiveThank you, Nick, and thank you, Louise. You raised a number of important issues, and I'm going to ask Steve to comment on are we focusing on all the wrong things in a moment. But I don't really agree with the thrust of your question, Louise. I think yes, there's been demand shock and coping with the crisis been an absolute priority. And I think the way the organizations have done that have been fantastic, particularly colleagues in stores, improvising, keeping customers safe, keeping the trade going. All credit to them. It's been amazing. And you've never seen more empathy, I think, from our people for looking after elderly people, shielded people, delivering to home. But I think the trust to your question is, are we focusing on the right things and is Sparks all a bit of a distraction and why we're relaunching that now. Sparks has been a big problem for us because over the last 5 years, we've developed this, what appeared to be a loyalty card, and people are accruing these hundreds and hundreds of points. Difference is the points weren't usable for anything. And so customers kept saying to us, "I've got GBP 100,000 or 300,000 points. What do I do with them?" And we didn't have an answer for that. And we are a trusted brand, and we need to have answers. We can't just carry on giving people points and pretending they're useful. So we have said we're going to grasp the nettle, and we're going to relaunch Sparks as a really exciting and new program. We're replacing the points with other programs so people feel that whenever they spend money with M&S, there's money going to good causes. And also, we make sure we enable them to give them surprises, special gifts, talk to them personally about their shopping because we've got there. We know a little bit about them, what they like, what they don't like. Instead of sending everybody the same promotion, when most of our customers are not interested in it, we want to send specific personalized promotions and offers to individual customers. So relaunching it is really, really important. I think it's going to be very exciting. But you'll have to judge it in the months ahead and see how it's working. We already got a huge response, actually, Steve, I think under -- thousands of customers wanting to sign.
Steve Rowe
executiveWe had 3/4 of a million people additive on our new [ approach ]. So I mean, this has really gone down well. And I think as part of our move to being digital first, this is absolutely the right step.
Archie Norman
executiveYes. So remember, is it a distraction? No, this is about moving to a much more modern way of marketing where we have a past relationship with our customers. We're able to serve them better because we know about shopping patterns. They've got the Sparks Card and people feel rewarded and engaged with M&S. So really, really important for us. And I think not a distraction. What about Victoria's Secret, Steve? I mean, I'm not going to try and put you on the spot, but are we focusing on all the wrong things?
Steve Rowe
executiveWell, Archie, you just have put me on the spot, but it's a speculation in the media, and we don't comment on speculation. What I can say though, in [indiscernible] Louise Cox's question, I have -- so I don't agree with the main thrust of it, I've never been prouder to work for this business and the work that our colleagues have done in the community. And I think the business responded well and quickly. Let me just tell you a few things we did for our own colleagues. We were the first retailer to make sure that vulnerable individuals were furloughed as quickly as possible ahead of the government guidelines. We've made sure that our lowest paid individuals in the organization have 100% of salary. And we've actually given a 15% bonus to those people who have worked 40,000 colleagues who have been on the front line, making sure we're supplying food to our customers. And we've worked alongside people like [ Navle ] GBP 2.5 million worth of way food has gone into Navle to help feed those less-privileged. And we continue our support for NHS. And this morning, I can tell you that the sum we've announced this morning ahead of the 75th anniversary is that we've raised GBP 3.3 million for the National Health Service Trust. So I think we are doing everything we can. In terms of innovation, well, innovation in our technology, allowing customers to pay with their mobile phones, has made sure that there is contactless payment. We've made sure that we've innovated with the food boxes and reacted very quickly there. So I think we are focused on the right things and focused on the foundations of the transformation still.
Archie Norman
executiveSo Louise, thank you for the question, and although I don't think I agree that we've been focusing on the wrong things, I do agree with your point, which is a time of crisis, our values should come to the fore and we do the right thing, and we should stick to what's good about M&S and the things we really do well, and that is our intention. Now one of the pieces of feedback I get from my fellow non-Executives on the Board is that sometimes, Board meetings run over time. And the AGM is already in danger of running over time. So I'm only going to take one more question. But it doesn't mean there aren't many, many additional questions that we'd love to be able to answer, and we will try and answer. So the idea is that every questioner will get a response. But I did want to touch on Menswear because we haven't talked about Menswear, we're talked about Womenswear...
Steve Rowe
executiveArchie, I'm interrupting, it's very rude of me. But I wonder if you wanted to just check in on the mood poll. Before we go to the...
Archie Norman
executiveBefore we go to the final question.
Steve Rowe
executiveYes. And then, we'll give people a chance to...
Archie Norman
executiveAnd we've got a result, have we?
Steve Rowe
executiveWell, no, we need to ask people to vote again.
Archie Norman
executiveOh, yes, of course.
Steve Rowe
executiveSo I'm sorry, I'm interrupting.
Archie Norman
executiveI'm out of order. We need to run the mood poll. So you've heard the answers. You all gave us your conclusion early on. We got a 6 out of 10 for how confident you feel about the future. We're now going to run the mood poll again. Same question, how confident do you feel about the future for M&S? On a scale of 1 to 10, please fill out your voting online now. You've got a few minutes to do that. I think I'm right. And while you do that, we're going to answer a question about Menswear. So [ James Ameli ], this is really topical, Steve. And I'm going to turn to you. "Why do M&S continue to put men's slim clothing on sale only to see a very high percentage end up in the sale? Why can't you just stock regular sizes with good quality material?" This has been really topical for us because under the leadership of Wes Taylor, our Head of Menswear, we have made huge changes. And the changes to make our Menswear range, more contemporary and stylish and I think we've done a great job with that. But with contemporary and stylish, slimmer fits and different fits are actually more in fashion. So we have moved that way. But in doing that, I think it's fair to say we made a -- we may have overdone it here and there. We've got a few adjustments to make, Steve. What would you say?
Steve Rowe
executiveWell, I think it was fair to say that before Christmas, we had over moved to slim and contemporary fits. Not at the right -- that was the wrong merchandise. Absolutely, the right merchandise, we've got the ratios from Archie and we had too much of those slim fits in small sizes that went in sale. The team worked really hard in the autumn and into Q4. And again, if you came into a store today, you would see a different balance of the range. There are more regular fits in the range. Again, based on those contemporary wearable stylish clothes and wardrobe essentials. So I think that we have course corrected. The most important thing, though, is that our style scores and the Net Promoter Score has increased substantially in Menswear. And so customers are starting to say we've got the right merchandise. And now what we've got to do is make sure we've got the right quantities.
Archie Norman
executiveAnd how confident you are then about the future of Menswear, Steve?
Steve Rowe
executiveIf I said 10, will I be over rigging it?
Archie Norman
executiveI think you probably would. Nobody would believe you.
Steve Rowe
executiveI can say that there have been substantial moves on after -- that difficult quarter 3, substantial moves. I mean if that was a 5 out of 10, we're probably at 7 out of 7.5.
Archie Norman
executiveI do think it's a difficult transition. We're making -- there's a lot of great new product. And -- but we're very confident we're going the right way.
Steve Rowe
executiveAbsolutely. And I think, Archie, in terms of the crisis, we should remember 1 thing. People's dressing habits have changed. And we had to recorrect that. Frankly, we're probably the only people wearing a suit today.
Archie Norman
executiveIn the country.
Steve Rowe
executiveIn the country. I can tell you that we've sold hardly...
Archie Norman
executiveM&S suit.
Steve Rowe
executiveMine's an M&S suit.
Archie Norman
executiveIndeed.
Steve Rowe
executiveGood. Perfect. All wear an M&S?
Eoin Tonge
executiveM&S nonsuit.
Steve Rowe
executiveM&S nonsuit, but the fact is we have had to move, and we'll have to move and pivot our business more away from Formalwear perhaps than we had anticipated, much quicker. So the work that Wes and the team have done to put more contemporary casual clothing in, is actually going to pay dividends for us in the future.
Archie Norman
executiveIt's a very interesting question as to what the new workwear is going to be. People are going to come back to their offices, in the next few months and next year. And they're not going to be wearing suits. Some of them will, maybe I will, but most of them are not going to be wearing suits. We should be -- because it's what we're good at, we should be #1 for the new officewear.
Steve Rowe
executiveAbsolutely. And look, the younger executives will probably come back in jackets and chinos, Archie, but that's exactly where we should be focusing. And I think Wes' positioned Menswear well. And indeed, Jill, in Womenswear, too, to make sure we've got the right merchandise for how people are going to be dressed in the future.
Archie Norman
executiveTerrific. Well, look, I'm going to draw a halt for questions. But as I said, we're going to answer them all. And I just want to thank everybody who’s put in a question, absolutely terrific. I mean, we have had hundreds and hundreds and it's great to see so much participation. Now before I move to the slightly down formal part of the business, which won't take long, I want to declare the result of the second mood poll. So Steve, freight tension. Do you think that as a result of our contribution, there's confidence in the future of M&AS gone up or down?
Steve Rowe
executiveBut I'm rather hoping it has, Archie. I feel I have a separate conversation later. And I'm pleased to tell you that comp has gone up from 6 out of 10 to 7.5 out of 10. So thank you, everybody. Obviously we've done something, right? We all feel very confident about the future. It is tough. We are in a turnaround. As John Farmer said, without paying dividends with the COVID crisis and the uncertainty, it's tough times. And -- but everybody is working flat out here to make this a great business. And the test of that will be -- real test to that will be next year. Okay. So if it's all right, I'll move on to the formal part, and I'm going to read this out just to make sure I get it right. On the resolutions. So moving back to today's formal business, it's over to you, our shareholders. Now is your opportunity to vote on our resolutions, many of you have already done so. Resolutions 1 to 23 are set out in the Notice of Meeting, which was made available to shareholders on the third of June 2020. I propose that the Notice of Meeting be taken as read. And I now give formal notice that voting on each of the revolutions as set out in the Notice of Meeting will be via a poll. I appoint our registrars, Equiniti Limited to act as scrutineers. You can change your vote at any time until the poll closes. So I now declare that open, and it will remain open for about 30 minutes. The final results of the meeting will be announced by the Stock Exchange and posted on our company website as soon as practical. So you can see the results later on if you log in. So that's it, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you very much for joining in for a very, very different AGM. I hope you've enjoyed it. Thank you all for your questions. You've all been terrific. And thank you all for voting in our poll and giving us an increase in your confidence about the future of M&S. Thank you.
Archie Norman
executiveThank you.
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