Mayur Uniquoters Limited (522249) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

February 13, 2020

BSE Limited IN Materials Chemicals earnings 38 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to the Mayur Uniquoters Limited Q3 FY '20 Earnings Conference Call hosted by Monarch Networth Capital Limited. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Anubhav Rawat from Monarch Networth Capital Limited. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Anubhav Rawat;Monarch Networth Capital Ltd.;Equity Research Analyst

analyst
#2

Thank you. Good evening, everyone. On behalf of Monarch Networth Capital, I welcome you all to Quarter 3 FY '20 Earnings Conference Call of Mayur Uniquoters Limited. We are pleased to host the senior management team of the company. Today, we have with us, Mr. Suresh Kumar Poddar, Chairman and Managing Director of the company; and Mr. Vinod Kumar Sharma, CFO of the company. He will start the call with initial comments about the results and outlook of the company, and then we will open the floor for question and answers. Now I would request Mr. Suresh Kumar Poddar, Managing Director of the company, to give his opening comments. Over to you, sir.

Suresh Poddar

executive
#3

Good evening, everybody, and good luck to all of you. Now we'll start reading the results. My CFO will read it. Yes, go ahead.

Vinod Sharma

executive
#4

Yes. Thank you, sir. Good evening, dear investors and analysts. Ladies and gentlemen, it's a great pleasure to be here to share with you the performance of Mayur. Thanks for giving your precious time to join Mayur Uniquoters Limited Q3 FY '20 Conference Call. Mayur Uniquoters Limited being a leader in the synthetic leather industry and an organized player has been able to leverage the emerging opportunities and deliver exemplary performance in past years, both in national and international business markets. The current market scenario of automotive industry has affected our Q3 performance also and sales revenue decreased by 22.52% as compared to previous year's quarter, mainly because of the ever-worst fall in India's car market in last 8 years and sluggish demand in our footwear market. However, we observed a small rise in the automotive market from December month and in other segments also. And we are now expecting a good sales volume due to increased demand in automotive market and its impact can also be seen from the industry performance in current quarter of FY '20, that is in Q4. And your company has been with a very good track record of being an investor-friendly company, and it is committed to drive value creation for all the shareholders. Now I'm glad to tell you that the Board of Directors of your company have declared interim dividend of INR 1.5, that is 30% for Q3 of financial year 2019/20. Now I would like to start with financial highlights for Q3 FY '20 under review. We will reply your queries after our review on the financial results. Your company has achieved revenue from operations on a stand-alone basis, amounting to INR 124.61 crores. This is a little increase by a 33.33% as compared to last quarter. And net profit after tax, PAT, amounting to INR 18.19 crore, which is -- from the figures, it's showing a decline of 9.13%, but in fact, if we consider the absolute figures of tax provision in last quarter then it's an increase of 13% over the last quarter. Also, the revenue from operations on consolidated basis is INR 138.61 crores, which is 5.88% increase as compared to last quarter and PAT amounting to INR 23.29 crores, which has increased by 6.28% over the last quarter. Further, the endeavor of Mayur is to be preferred supplier for the leading OEM, especially in U.S. and European regions, and we are glad to update that your company is already approved by Mercedes-Benz for supply to their South Africa plant and further supply is expected to start for their new models from Q4 of next financial year 2021. Moreover, our product approvals from BMW is also under progress. Also in FY '21, we are expecting very good and higher sales volume in both OEM export markets and domestic markets. And export markets, we expect 20% to -- 20% increase and domestic market, we expect 10% to 15% in the coming quarters for automotive. Now I update on our CapEx plan. PU Plant, most of the project construction activities are completed with the commissioning of wet and dry lines of PU Plant. Trial line -- we have done trial run of PU Plant in December month and also we started commercial operations in last month. Small supply orders also started from the plant. Now expecting production stabilization at the plant within the next 2 months for regular and large quantity of supply orders. While pursuing our business interest, Mayur Uniquoters has also been endeavoring to fulfill our responsibilities to assist society and our corporate social responsibility program, the company has adopted many HE schools for education of children. Your company has worked on education, especially for the girls and underprivileged child education, various health care initiatives, especially child skill development, water for all, sanitation at school area, distribution of books, bed, clothes, blankets and, most importantly, family planning and family welfare schemes. The Government of Rajasthan has recognized these initiatives on various platforms and appreciated our activities done on CSR front. I'm thankful to all the investors for their valuable time, to those who became the part of this conference call. And with this positive note, I would like to conclude and request you all to open the form for request. And before that, I would request that due to time constraints, we need to end this call by 6 or 6:10 p.m. sharp. We, therefore, request you to kindly avoid the repeated questions during the call and considering competition, we will not discuss volume data. Please avoid volume-related query. If anyone wants, they can send us mail, we will reply all mails. Thank you. Now open for questions and answers.

Operator

operator
#5

[Operator Instructions] The first question is from the line of Niteen Dharmawat from Aurum Capital.

Niteen Dharmawat

analyst
#6

My question is related with raw material. So is there any dependency that we have on Chinese market for any of our raw materials? Just wanted to know that first.

Suresh Poddar

executive
#7

So far our PVC leather cloth is concerned, we are not dependent. Because all PVC, resin, plasticizer all we are buying from western countries and fabric, we are manufacturing ourselves. We are not dependent at all.

Niteen Dharmawat

analyst
#8

Got it. And you mentioned about some green shoot that you saw in demand in the month of December. So how is January going right now? And especially the export market, how is it happening now? And within domestic, how is the footwear market is going for us?

Suresh Poddar

executive
#9

You see, as I told you, that December is good. January is -- also looks good. And hopefully, this quarter should be better and the demand is picking up. More so over automotive demand is picking up, not because they are producing -- started producing big quantity, but because of our approval of 3, 4 new supply -- buyers. That's why our sale is increasing. And hopefully, the market has started reviving, and that will also help us. And we hope for a good result in the future.

Operator

operator
#10

The next question is from the line of Chintan Sheth from Sameeksha Capital.

Chintan Sheth;Sameeksha Capital;Analyst

analyst
#11

Happy to see that we are maintaining our margins and revenue as well in tough times. Sir, if I look at your commentary, you are more focused on exports in auto and footwear continued to see pressures, as you have rightly mentioned in the previous calls as well. Now if I look at historically, we are currently at -- 30% of our volume is coming from footwear, and we are trying hard in exploring other segments, like exports, OEM and replacement. Still this is a very large chunk, which is not growing. How do you see -- how incremental revenue or demand from auto and exports will replace this footwear volumes?

Suresh Poddar

executive
#12

You see, if you go back 5 years back, and you will find that footwear business was about more than 45%, which has come down to 30% and still the sales are increasing and profits are increasing. Now whenever you sell anyone, it is very important to have a good margin as well as security of the money. After demonetization, the market position is not very good. So we are very strict to supply those who are good paymaster. And we are getting good results from them. December and January, we had improvement in footwear segment also. And now we hope that including footwear, automotive will also increase. And now today's scenario, automotive sales is expected to grow more than footwear. That's the reason I've told you. But still in automotive, we are dealing with the models, which has got high quality and high price. So our endeavor is now to start making good quality, which we have been doing and technical products. That's why I've started this PU plant, which will smooth from, maybe, middle of March. And there also, we are planning to go for good material, which is technically strong, and we want to create an impression that you don't need to go to China. We are here to support you and our OEM manufacturers of footwear, they are not in PU, because they have worried that if there is any quality complaint, whom they will get caught. So with our this thing -- because there was -- just recently there was exhibition -- footwear exhibition in China. We have displayed our PU material and everybody liked, and I'm very particular about quality, I've said not a single meter should go bad because I want to create a good name of Mayur in the beginning. No matter if the sales is less, but actually, it will pick up. Because there is a huge import from China. So I'm not worried about sales that much. Now main thing is how we are able to make a good profit. And in PVC also, the sales has started to increase in footwear.

Chintan Sheth;Sameeksha Capital;Analyst

analyst
#13

The initial trials in samples you created, you are satisfied with the product output, right, from the plant?

Suresh Poddar

executive
#14

Of course, I've got 4, 5 Chinese working, and they are the best people from China, that's why my cost is more. I don't want to take any chance. But I want to make a perfect material.

Chintan Sheth;Sameeksha Capital;Analyst

analyst
#15

You mentioned, sir, that initial small orders, we've already started -- sample orders you've started supplying. So any ballpark number you can guide in terms of how do you see FY '21 for PU in terms of either volumes or revenue, or utilization will also help?

Suresh Poddar

executive
#16

You see this is very difficult to predict, but I can tell you for sure that within 1.5-year time, I will try my best to -- within 2 years' time, I will try my best to use all the 3 shifts of first machine. And if the things move, and I'm sure it will move, you may order next line within a year's time. And in fact, we are working hard to introduce in automotive industry also, the PU material. And if that happens, the price is unimaginable.

Operator

operator
#17

The next question is from the line of Raj Desai from Prospero Tree. Mr. Raj, your line in talk mode, please go ahead.

Raj Desai;Prospero Tree;Analyst

analyst
#18

Hello?

Operator

operator
#19

Mr. Raj, we are not able to hear you.

Raj Desai;Prospero Tree;Analyst

analyst
#20

Hello? Can you hear me now?

Operator

operator
#21

Now, we can hear you.

Raj Desai;Prospero Tree;Analyst

analyst
#22

So, sir, can you tell me what will be the cost per quarter for the new plant?

Suresh Poddar

executive
#23

It is not possible to tell you right now. I don't remember, I have not everything in fingers. Whatever you are asking me, please send me a note. I'll send you by mail. How can I remember that what is the cost of the quarter? Although, but it is much cheaper than Rajasthan. This much I can tell you.

Raj Desai;Prospero Tree;Analyst

analyst
#24

Okay. And sir, the technical staff who were going to come from China to -- for the machine training, so what is the status on that?

Suresh Poddar

executive
#25

That I have already spoken, 4, 5 Chinese are here already from last 2 months, and they will be here for another 2 years to train my people and to understand the technology, to understand the recipes, all those.

Raj Desai;Prospero Tree;Analyst

analyst
#26

Okay. And any particular impact that we will be getting on this coronavirus. Any good impact? Anything which we can take an opportunity in this?

Suresh Poddar

executive
#27

No. How will it be opportunity? This coronavirus, I think, even Mr. Modi or Mr. Trump do not know what is going to happen. It is all guessing and let's pray God that everything happens good because I've heard in TV that they are saying by April, this should go off. So let us hope so. And in the meantime, I have started getting -- ordering my material in west also, so as not to stop my production. I'm taking that extra care.

Raj Desai;Prospero Tree;Analyst

analyst
#28

Okay. And sir, can you please provide me the segmental revenue mix for this current quarter?

Suresh Poddar

executive
#29

Next coming quarter?

Raj Desai;Prospero Tree;Analyst

analyst
#30

[Foreign Language] This current quarter, segmental mix.

Suresh Poddar

executive
#31

This fourth quarter?

Vinod Sharma

executive
#32

Q3.

Suresh Poddar

executive
#33

Which one, please? You want Q3?

Raj Desai;Prospero Tree;Analyst

analyst
#34

Yes, sir, Q3, Q3, Q3.

Suresh Poddar

executive
#35

Yes. Mr. CFO will explain.

Vinod Sharma

executive
#36

Yes. Segment-wise, you want segment-wise, no?

Raj Desai;Prospero Tree;Analyst

analyst
#37

Yes, sir. Segment-wise.

Vinod Sharma

executive
#38

Total, total -- as I already told, due to competition -- concern to competition, we will not discuss the volume data in detail. Only I will tell you the total volume and if anyone wants more details, they can send us a mail, we will reply. Okay?

Raj Desai;Prospero Tree;Analyst

analyst
#39

Okay, sir.

Vinod Sharma

executive
#40

Yes. So total volume is 6,077,000 linear meter. Okay? Out of that, around 73% is domestic and remaining is export.

Raj Desai;Prospero Tree;Analyst

analyst
#41

Okay, sir. And yes, sir, one more thing. Sir, in case of BMW, sir, so any audit status on that?

Suresh Poddar

executive
#42

See, we are working continuously. It may take further some time. Because as I told many times that automotive industry is very critical. Sometimes they say that okay, my -- this new quarter, we'll start and so and so quarter, sometimes it's delayed by 1 quarter or 2 quarter. Sometimes it is advanced by 1 quarter. So we are working continuously and let's hope that as soon as possible, it should come out.

Raj Desai;Prospero Tree;Analyst

analyst
#43

Okay. And we can expect the revenue contribution from Mercedes by, like, Q4 '21, right?

Suresh Poddar

executive
#44

Yes, yes, yes.

Vinod Sharma

executive
#45

Yes. Next quarter.

Operator

operator
#46

The next question is from the line of [ Pankti Shah ], individual investor.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#47

I had a couple of questions. So firstly, where is PU leather mainly used? And how is it different from PVC leather? And will it not cannibalize the PVC sales?

Suresh Poddar

executive
#48

Sorry.

Vinod Sharma

executive
#49

Sorry, can you repeat the question?

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#50

Sir, my question is, where is PU leather mainly used? And like, how is it different from the PVC leather? And will it not cannibalize PVC sales?

Suresh Poddar

executive
#51

No. Yes, one thing. The difference between PVC and PU is PU is less harmful compared to PVC, number one. Number two, it is much lighter compared to PVC. Number three, it looks more closer to leather compared to PVC. And so far as my customers, the customers are same who are using PVC, they are using PU also, except automotive industry, for which also we are trying our hard how to lock them out and make this automotive product. And these automotive industries are also very interested, but it's a very, very complicated and technical product. So we are working hard on this because, there, you can make more money.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#52

Okay, okay. Understood. And sir, my second question is for Vinod, sir. Sir, in the consolidated numbers, I don't see share of associate or any minority interest. So could you please explain that?

Vinod Sharma

executive
#53

It's share -- in MUC, 100% -- MUL is having 100% share and MUC is having around 68% shares in Futura. So 32% is hold by other Indian company. Okay? I think with -- yes, this is the holding pattern of our subsidiaries.

Operator

operator
#54

The next question is from the line of Pavan Ahluwalia from Burnham Capital (sic) [ Laburnum Capital ].

Pavan Ahluwalia

analyst
#55

I had 2 questions. First, in terms of our own competitive position within the domestic market, maybe 5, 10 years ago, we were clearly the only person producing synthetic leather of a certain quality, and that allowed us to get a pricing premium. In the last few years, several of our smaller competitors have significantly improved their processes, quality, et cetera, the Marvels, Polynovas, et cetera, of the world. And I'm just curious in -- from the end customer standpoint, is it possible for us to command the pricing premium over them that we've historically been used to commanding? Are we seeing a situation where we are losing some customers to them where the customer is saying to us, "We'll stay with you if you match that price," but we are declining to match that price? So would just be curious to get your sense of how our market share is evolving and how that relates to the historic premium we used to charge and whether or not you think that is capable of being continued. And second, on PU, who do you think the big initial set of customer will be in PU? Will it be the large traditional footwear customers we have? Who do you expect to get the first set of large orders from -- for the PU Plant?

Suresh Poddar

executive
#56

See first of all, you have asked about our share. [indiscernible] at the top. Now if you go through -- you have named some companies just now, our competitors, please go through their balance sheet. You will find what kind of a profit they are making. Now you see there was a time, say we talk about 50 years back. If you are the owner of the company, your 2 generations are working. Because there was less technology available, availability of the money was less. Now everything is available and everything is in open. So today, also, like, if you talk about automotive, most of the material is sold by me, which has got a good technical material, which is not possible here to produce by local people, right? And so far, concern is that how do I compete with them. So I'm not going to compete with them. I'm competing with the world, not India. Because if you find in Maruti also, those small cars, which is INR 3 lakh, INR 4 lakh, or INR 5 lakh, they are using very cheap material. One-time I was supplying 70% of the material to Maruti, but they have continuously reduced the quality. So a lot of people entered. But the world is very big. We are very small. I'm very confident that as I'm making technical products, I will keep on making and I will keep on getting the business. Like UAE -- the people are selling $1.5, $1.6. Countries like UAE are selling more than $3. So for getting this kind of business, you have to spend time, right? Like to...

Pavan Ahluwalia

analyst
#57

Right. Sir, I am not concerned actually about the automotive side. As you've articulated our strategy very well, it'll make sense. I'm talking more on the footwear front, right? Is there a risk that over there, we just get competed out of the traditional synthetic leather market because there isn't that much more high-end stuff to be done and gradually, some of the low-end guys learn how to do resin, synthetic leather to the specs people want?

Suresh Poddar

executive
#58

You see, what I tell you, why I went in PU that there is no player, so-called player in India, and there, I want to again make the technical product to assure people that -- and everybody knows PU is better than PVC, but the cost is high. Now even Tata and Mahindra come out with SUV, good quality SUV, they are using 3x more costly material what they are using for their normal cars. So every country upgrade himself gradually, right? Now it is up to the manufacturer, how you teach them, how you make them understand. Now today if you go to the market, a sports shoe, you can get INR 5,000 to INR 10,000. And you get the shoes with maybe INR 1,000, INR 2,000 also. So I am working on that class of things, right? And automotive also, I'm working very hard, and I hope I must achieve that. And once that is achieved, the prices you cannot imagine. Now what is happening, the biggest advantage with artificial leather people is that people are going -- automotive manufacturers are trying to go away from leather, genuine leather. There are 2 reasons for that. Today, you will not believe I'm getting many offers from leather manufacturers who are selling all over the world to automotive industry, to join and have a partnership with us. So why? Because their sales are going down. That is 2 reason. One is the cost, which is very heavy. And the second reason is the environment. You understand? So -- and artificial leather is coming more closer to leather. So this is making a good chance for artificial leather to improve in the future. That's what I'm going to do. So let us forget about these cheap materials. I have to...

Pavan Ahluwalia

analyst
#59

But sir, the risk then is that if you don't succeed in breaking into the high-end stuff over time, but the lower end part...

Suresh Poddar

executive
#60

Why I will not succeed? No, one thing. Why I will not success? Why? Tell me. So long I've done and my endeavor is only to go for the highly technical people. I'm paying from my nose to R&D people. We have just joined a lady from Europe, paying huge money to her, and she is making a lot of new products. For that, you have to invest. Automatically, nothing comes in the life. You have to work hard, you have to be after that, and things will happen. The world is so big that I'm not worried at all. What I am producing today and what I want to produce tomorrow is nothing. The only thing that you have to come to the expectation of the people, of the person, of the company, of the product. That's what I'm trying to do, and I'm doing it. And I'm very much confident that I will do it. So forget about that it doesn't happen, it will happen. I'm not fool that I'm investing so much of money for not getting into it. I don't want to waste my time in these small things, and I'm 100% confident. You will see. Today, my target is to give competition to all 2 or 3 big people -- big companies, who are supplying to automotive industry in a big way. I'm seriously working on that. And you are seeing the result. So I'm not worried at all. I'm very, very optimistic. The sales will increase, the profitability will increase, but one has to keep the patient -- patience, right?

Operator

operator
#61

The next question is from the line of Awanish Chandra from East India Securities.

Awanish Chandra

analyst
#62

Congratulations, Poddar sir, and Vinod sir, for improved performance. My first question, sir, is on the margin side. This time, we hit more than 20% margin. Is it purely on raw material? Or is it some product mix we have got advantage during the quarter?

Suresh Poddar

executive
#63

You see, please keep it in mind in the last 6 months, previously resin price has increased by 20%, we still are maintaining. How you make money? You make, #1, the good product, technical product, where the value addition is more. So if your value addition is more, then actually your raw material prices come down. This has not come down because of the price has reduced in the market, rather it has increased. Of course, in fabric, there was no increase, mainly increase was in PVC resin, which is 40% of our raw material. So we are continuously working on reduction in the cost by making good technical product, where your technology works. The price -- compared to the price, the cost of materials is not that high, right?

Awanish Chandra

analyst
#64

Okay. And sir, you talked about commercial production start at PU Plant. So how was the initial customer response for the product?

Suresh Poddar

executive
#65

Please, please remember, I'm not worried about customer response. I'm working on highly technical products. But in the beginning you have to start with the normal product, which I have started, and we have started selling. You see today, if Mayur goes to any supplier, nobody will say no. They will just close their eyes and buy it. But of course, I think, that's the best price also. So again same thing. You have to go out of way and make different products, which has got good value addition. That's what we are trying to do here also. We are working very hard on automotive segment also, which nobody is doing. Only Korean companies are doing. Even we are talking to the Korean companies that if we can have some kind of tie-up. I'm working on that also. You see, don't think that Mayur is making -- going to make just ordinary product for PU. Of course, in the beginning, to stand in the market, to get people used to Mayur material, we have to start with the cheaper quality also. But one thing I can tell you, my endeavor is that in PU also, I will work internationally as I have done in PVC leather cloth.

Operator

operator
#66

The next question from the line of Nisarg Vakharia from Lucky Investment Managers.

Vinod Sharma

executive
#67

Yes, Anubhav. Anubhav, is this last question?

Operator

operator
#68

Sir, we have a couple of questions more.

Vinod Sharma

executive
#69

No. But looking to the time constraints, we have to restrict by 6:10.

Suresh Poddar

executive
#70

[Foreign Language]

Vinod Sharma

executive
#71

[Foreign Language] They can send us a mail, we will reply.

Operator

operator
#72

Okay. So shall we go for closing comments?

Suresh Poddar

executive
#73

[Foreign Language]

Vinod Sharma

executive
#74

You can allow one or 2 persons. They can raise their questions. We will reply up to 6:10. Yes, Anubhav?

Operator

operator
#75

Mr. Anubhav, your line is in talk mode, please go ahead.

Anubhav Rawat;Monarch Networth Capital Ltd.;Equity Research Analyst

analyst
#76

Yes, yes, yes. So you can now close the call since there is time constraint. That's fine.

Operator

operator
#77

Due to time constraints, I would now like to hand the conference over to the management for closing comments.

Suresh Poddar

executive
#78

Yes. What I can tell to my investors that their future is good, and Mayur is in the safe hands and the technical hand, and as usual, I will keep on doing whatever best is possible, and I'm not a giver, you see. When I think something, and I do it. In the past also, I've gone my out of way, did the things and result came. The only thing is when you boast and make something different, it takes some time. But the ultimate result is there, which you can see that all the automotive plants, which are coming, like MG Motor, we are 100% supplier, the price is INR 600. So what I'm trying to say that if you make the position in a higher range, the people will come to you automatically. And we will continue on doing this. And remember, I'm fighting not with the Indian manufacturers, my fight is with the top-most manufacturer of the world for artificial leather. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#79

Thank you. On behalf of Monarch Networth Capital Limited, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.

Suresh Poddar

executive
#80

Thank you.

Vinod Sharma

executive
#81

Thank you.

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