Med Life S.A. (M) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
November 13, 2020
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorDear, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the conference call of Med Life S.A. At our customer's request, this conference will be recorded. [Operator Instructions] Q3 2020 financial results will be presented by Mihail.
Mihail Marcu
executiveGood evening, everybody. This is Mihail over here. I'm here with my colleagues. We have together with us on the phone. We have Dorin Preda, who is the Head of Treasury and Finance; and member of the Board. Also, we are having our CFO, Mr. Adrian Lungu; and our Assistant CFO and IR manager; Alina Irinoiu. Actually, she is going to make the presentation today. And after that, of course, we will be with you for the Q&A session. And I will have also a statement about the future and what we are expecting during this time. Thank you, Alina, please take over.
Alina Irinoiu
executiveThank you, Mihail. Good afternoon, everyone, and warm welcome from my side. We want to thank you for joining the conference call. And we hope that you and your families are healthy and safe during this period. I'll start the presentation by presenting the key messages of the 9 months 2020, followed by our financial overview. Here, we are going to take to the consolidated statement of profit and loss, the consolidated statement of financial position and the consolidated statement of cash flow. Regarding the [ financial ] piece of this period, Med Life Group put focus on helping patients and safe institutions during the pandemic and has changed its business model to address the new business and dynamic environment, while still focusing on providing new medical services requested by patients during this period. The top priority of Med Life Group throughout this pandemic period was to support the Department of Public Health by contributing to the growing number of [ PCS ] tests performed and relieving the public hospitals by treating the chronic patients. The preventive measures taken from the beginning facilitated control over the situation and help us to protect our patients and personnel, leading to both support from the population and for the population and financial performance. We have also worked on back with several research studies on the evolution of COVID-19 in Romania, allocating own resources in this regard, and there are more to come. Regarding sales, so there was a significant advance in the third quarter of the current year versus the second quarter with a 47% increase in consolidated sales, meaning it was a full year of recovery of sales lost during the period of strict restrictions on preventive medical activities and traffic. This translated in 8.4% increase year-on-year in sales, reaching RON 770 million on IFRS figures and a 5.1% increase in sales year-on-year leading to RON 747 million on a pro forma basis. What I want to highlight is a quick adaptability to new services, the repositioning on labs and the mix of medical activities in the area of hospitals clinics corporate, pharmacies and dentistry, all help to meet the patient demand and this offer a solid perspective for the group for the period post-COVID. In terms of some figures on this quarter-on-quarter evolution, you will see 85% increase in sales in the third quarter of this year compared to the second quarter and 1.3 million analysis performed during this 3-months period. Another important increase is noted in hospitals with a 64% increase in sales and 24,000 patients in the third (sic) [ 3 ] Month period, followed by somatology. This different line was completely interrupted in April with a 63% increase in sales and 23,000 visits in the 3-month period. Clinics have also increased with 43% and almost 500,000 visits in the third quarter. Regarding the Corporate division, there was a 9% increase in sales and the total number of subscriptions of 715,000. Last but not least, so the pharmacy business line with a 6% increase in sales and 45,000 clients in the third quarter. The development of 4 COVID-19 laboratories in a record time, was one of the important achievements of the group in this period. To this, the company was able to keep to Med Life adjoint space to periodically test medical and axillary staff and patients and -- so very functional as well as supporting the Department of Public Health by conducting the COVID test, as already mentioned. In terms of hospitals, we contributed to reliving the crowded state hospitals by treating chronic patients. We also provided Romanian alternatives for monitoring and treating existing pathologies in conditions of maximum safety. We managed to have hundreds of thousands of domains to evaluate their existing diseases and to come under control with over 1.9 million total digits in clinics and over 6.1 million lab analysis reports. Dynamic activity was also registered in the area of the corporate segment. The company has developed new products to meet the news in this biological context has also designed special projects tailored to support employees of former companies and increase the segment of the medical services and investigations that were a priority. Moving to operating profit and EBITDA. During this period, the group tailored its services to meet the new demand and to optimize the business dynamic. The group managed to increase operating profit and EBITDA as a result of cost-cutting measures that were previously announced that aims to generate sustainable performance improvement in all business lines, but also to lead to a long-term positive effect on group profitability. If we are to look on like-to-like base, if COVID-related press numbers excluded, the margin is preserved and on an upward trend despite the decreased sales in the second quarter. EBITDA increased year-on-year by 36.7%, reaching RON 155 million on IFRS figures and by 38% year-on-year, reaching RON 156 million on a pro forma presentation. Last but not least, for the [ finance-specifics ] is the outlook for end of year and 2021. The strategy is to be prepared for post-COVID period when we expect an increase in traffic in all medical units and a closer relation between general practitioner, small clinics and pharmacies. We will continue development and expansion plans having already-assured financing from creditors, along with significant liquidity generated by the business cash flows. The current net debt to pro forma EBITDA ratio is up to 2.5%. As you know historically, it was around an EBIT of 3%, which we think is a comfortable level, given that the high demand for medical services is expected. We continue to support acute and chronic patients to post-COVID recovery projects and to the expansion of radiotherapy and oncology services. There are also additional projects related to the area of prevention, research and digitalization that are on our table. Here, I think it's important to mention, for example, self [ for treatment ] and self-payments that were implemented long before this period, and they took to pay off or another example is the online consultations that could be rapidly implemented given that we have the proper infrastructure. We will also continue gradually the development of Med Life Medical Park project, which has the potential to become the most complex medical project in Romania in the last 30 years. Moving on the M&A side. We show interest in several opportunities in the market, including Pharma segment, expected to have an important contribution to economic recovery and to maintain the health of the population in the years to come. In this respect, the group is focusing on relevant add-ons to the business line to further capture value and providing closure for the medical experience of our patients. More precisely, such acquisition is meant to complete the medical uptick we see. Of course, also important to mention that the new investment and acquisitions will be carefully calibrated according to the evolution of the pandemic. Now I'm moving to the second part of the presentation regarding the financial overview, and I will present the consolidated statement of profit and loss. In terms of the variances on a pro forma basis as compared to the same period last year, sales have increased by 5.1%, reaching to RON 747 million. Operating expenses remained flat at RON 672 million levels. Operating profit increased as a consequence by 78%, reaching to RON 78 million, translated at 10.4% margin as opposed to 6.2% in the same period last year. In terms of EBITDA, it increased by 38% translating in a 21% margin as compared to 16% prior year. In terms of EBITDA before IFRS, as we keep presenting figures also before IFRS increased by 47.4%, reaching RON 126 million, and this is translated in a 17% margin as compared to 12.1% last year. Moving to financial results. There was a 17% increase in financial results, which is mainly due to increased unrealized foreign exchange losses as compared to prior period coming from the FX rate. Net result has also increased by 133%, reaching RON 45 million. In terms of the split domestic bonds, 88% is pertaining to group owners and 12% to NCI. And regarding the usual pro forma adjustments that we include, I will mention them again. It's a reclassification of the subsidies in amount of RON 23 million in relation to the National Health program. The financial results of the acquired company in this period for the period of January and March. And COVID one-off expenses in amount of RON 1.5 million. Moving to the operational key performance indicators. You will see that the increase in sales. So as compared to the same period last year can be presented as follows. So on one hand, there was the acquisitions made subsequent to 9 months 2019. There was a strong operational performance in January and February. There was a drop in sales starting with March due to the military ordinance that were restructuring the healthcare system during the state of emergency that led to a 22% drop in sales in the second quarter. And after that, the rebound of sales that I presented in more detail in the previous part, which was 47% higher in the third quarter as compared to the second quarter. But also by 24% higher as compared to the third quarter of 2019. Here is because increased traffic in all business lines, increased traffic in hospitals and PCR testing and translated into the ability to recover the sales that we second quarter. Regarding operating expense evolution, I think it's important to refer to the percentage of operating expenses out of total sales. And here, we can see a reduction of 4 percentage points in margin. The dynamics is coming mostly from salaries and related expenses, where, on one hand, the companies have benefited from the subsidy from the state regarding the technical and employment for the state of emergency period. But on the other hand, there were some measures that we took regarding the restructuring and reshaping the structure of the personnel to better address the needs of the business and that will have the long-term positive effect on profitability that we mentioned before. Another increase so for example, a 0.7% increase in consumable materials and these, then materials is associated to the reagent use in the laboratory business. Regarding the consolidated statement of financial position, there are no significant variances on the balance sheet. The increase in total assets and corresponding liabilities is coming from the consolidation of Micromedica and [ that is mostly ], that was not included on the balance sheet at the end of 2019. And also a remarkable increase in cash and cash equivalents, so that more than doubled since the end of the year. That will be better reflected in our cash flow statement. Before cash flow statement, there is also some short of illustration of our debt position, but Slide 16. You can find the net liability position that followed the 18.4% decrease, which is coming mainly from the repayments made under the IFRS 16 rent contracts. And the financial debt that increased by 19.6%. Here is mainly -- these 2 main investments made this period and the largest one was the one that we also mentioned to the prior call regarding the acquisition of the plot of land here in Grivita and the building, the former outpatient unit. And also, the withdraw of the EUR 5 million facility that was taken or the COVID working capital support in case we may need it. So moving to net debt. You will see a flat position of net debt, which is still translated into a better net debt to pro forma EBITDA ratio for this period. Last but not least. Regarding the statement of cash flow. Cash flow for this period was characterized by a good operating performance and was reinforced by controls and saving measures. You will see a 61% increase in net cash from operating activities or 80% increase in cash used in investing activities. And also an increase in cash with RON 22.9 million on the financing activities. I think that will basically be it so this is the presentation for today. But of course, we are now ready to take your questions, and thank you very much for listening.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] I receive first question. It is from Laura Simion of BRD.
Laura Simion
analystI can work 2 short questions about this quarterly results. I noticed that the average price per patient in the hospital business increased by 15%. If you could detail how much of this increase is due to price increase? And how much do you book the complexity of the intervention? And the second question is regarding the business in Hungary. If you saw there the same part as in Romania, I mean, a drop in the second quarter and the strong rebound in the third quarter. And is overall the plans for this business from now on? And if you tell us something about your view as the medical experts on 2021 pandemic evolution? How do you see the evolution of the pandemic, there will be, I don't know, first wave of the virus, how do you see the vaccine approval and implementation and so on?
Alina Irinoiu
executiveOkay. Thank you. I will take your 2 questions. And being the second one. And after that, we will address also your first question. So regarding the increase in the average stay in hospitals. As Ari mentioned, the in-vitro increase as compared to the third quarter of 2019 and it's linked to the complexity of the cases handled during this period. You will also see an increase in the number of patients. So we had 25,000 patients in the first quarter this year versus 20,000 last year -- the same period last year. And if you also compare to the second quarter of this current year, you will see that basically, we recovered the number of patients that we couldn't address during the state of emergency. And yes, once again, it's related to the complexity of cases because we now address more sophisticated interventions related also to chronic patients and their pathology because many patients that couldn't pursue their interventions of the public hospitals, now will move to the private hospitals.
Adrian Lungu
executiveI will take the second question, if you allow me. Regarding the project of medical centers which is the company that we own the majority stake in Hungary. Now as Alina was explaining the evolution of the Romanian, let's say, market, until now. I would just say that the evolution in Hungary is pretty similar. They were under lockdown in the second quarter, and they succeeded to remain open those during that period. And also, they were able to provide COVID tests for their patients. We were able to take their stock, they were able to test most patients they are obviously also supposed to do more complicated procedures. As we know, by now, the project -- the company is looking well. They recover completely after the lockdown. Even if right now, the number of cities in Hungary are still high. So they are back in business. That is something that we tried to do in the third quarter in Hungary, we tried to do an expectation. But unfortunately, we couldn't finalize it for various reasons. So if you ask us, which is our plan in Hungary, it is to expand our branch and are there. And it seems that the thought is to acquire businesses in locations where we found a good position for [ Micromedica ] when we think about various -- the business lines that we have.
Operator
operatorHas your question been answered?
Adrian Lungu
executiveI have one more question. I think the first. Yes. The third question was regarding the pandemic situation and how this has evolved next year and the end of this year. It seems that we are -- we have been hit by the second wave in the European countries. What we have found out from the analysis that different -- the vaccines that has put in the market is there is a hope. Pfizer is very near to get all the approval for distributing their vaccines. As you can see, there is European efforts to allocate pretty equilibrated vaccines around the European countries. But if you ask me, the news that there is a vaccine on the market is mainly good for us because it will set up the division that they hope. I mean people will run out of this fear, that says coming together with the funding. So even if we'll have the vaccine in December or whatever, for sure, we will not be able to immunize ourselves in a large-scale until mid-next year. So if you ask our opinion is that the pandemic will continue. The pandemic will continue also next year. But we have the -- we have in front of us a pandemic, which is not so furious.
Laura Simion
analystOkay. This was also my opinion, I think we will see 2021, much like this year, maybe not with the first shock that we had in spring, but we have now the second wave will then probably -- there will be decline in cases. And then after that people start to move about, again we have our third wave and so on. So I think 2021 will be in terms of pandemic evolution with up and downs.
Adrian Lungu
executiveYes.
Mihail Marcu
executiveSorry, I would just interfere Mihail over here for one second. So I don't think that's a subject anyway for this topic today for our results. But very, very short. So Med Life is prepared for the worst scenario, that means even a longer pandemic and this is the reason why we have developed services and we have adapted in the second half of this year to offer services that are needed and also to, let's say, to help the public system to offer fast and high-quality tests for these COVID patients and also for some of them to monitor their health situation, especially for the health problems that together with COVID they do to award, let's say, evolution of the patients usually. But one thing is clear, we are preparing for the COVID even for a longer period but it doesn't mean that we believe it's going to take a longer time or a second, third, fourth wave. We are a medical company. We are also comp -- a vaccination resolution. And as long this vaccine, they work with 90% as announced, and they will be approved by the European medical, let's say, authorities and by FDA, that the solution and most probably will diminish strongly the pandemic. We don't believe into the third wave. And of course, we don't -- let's say, I don't want tone from the conversation from this conference obligated with our results that any kind of the third way is expected. Thank you very much.
Operator
operatorWe'll now go to the next question is from Alex of Fiera Capital.
Alexandre Hocquard
analystCongratulations on the results. I just had one question. You kept saying in the summary of the financials that there was a kind of benefit from COVID, I believe, related to testing. I couldn't work out what the quantity of that was. What was the impact there? What was the positive benefit of COVID in the Q3 results in terms of testing?
Mihail Marcu
executiveI'll answer that. I will take it over. So we will not export that that's for sure. What I can tell you is that we -- if this COVID wouldn't happened, that is very clear, Alina, has explained during the presentation, Med Life would still be able without any COVID test performed to keep the margins as strong to the shareholders and even increase it a little bit. So despite the decrease of sales, Med Life was able to increase a little bit the margins despite this decrease. And the measures we have taken to cut down this for -- starting with the second half of March and April, will put us in that situation. That doesn't mean all the risk belongs to the lab test and to the COVID test. It's a long readjustment of the services, which include, if you want, even the fact that we are discussing last year a lot about the informatic and the digital measures that we are taking. And I can tell you that it was interesting, in March, Med Life had in place, just to give you an example, self checking, self check out in most of the clinics and self pay, imagine during pandemic how useful was that. So how much use we got out of them. The second, we knew how to adjust and to come and to welcome our patients because we have already prepared an online medical assistance to the patients, which was ready just in January last year, and we could use it during the pandemic. So of course, it is an important part is the COVID test. But very -- not all. So it doesn't mean that represents, let's say, a very large majority of these COVID thing. The second one, we believe today, if the pandemic we still -- will still stay with us for 1, 2, 3 or 6 months, the demand of services is high. So immediately after the lockdown is raised, or of course, the number of cases encourage people to come then to see the check their [ immunization ]. This is happening. So I believe me, there are hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of Romanians that have stayed mostly at home. They were afraid to go out and to have the checkup, even some -- I will tell you something important. The number of oncologic patients has decreased dramatically, maybe not in Romania, in all throughout Europe. So these patients will need a system immediately after that. And that happened also during the short time when the number of cases decreased during the summer. So we had quite a good summer for usual services. I mean, even we are surprised. We have a very good summer and not from the COVID because in the summer the COVID number in that decreased because there were no demand. Everybody believe that it was only one way. It was a V-shape of the social and economic evolution, and nobody wanted to have COVID tests. So again, the result is not -- the COVID tests are important. We are not going to invest figure. But it's a mixture of services that Med Life had the flexibility and intelligence to adjust and to compensate services that they are usual and before the pandemic happening with other services, which, of course, they were in the mind of the people, especially related with COVID, let's subset associated like I would just give you an example, heart diseases, blood pressure, lung problems or diabetes. So these are services that were largely addressed in the post when the COVID tests were not -- they don't have a big demand and when the number of cases decreased for a while Romania during the summer.
Alexandre Hocquard
analystI see. That's very clear. And so does that mean I appreciate there and losses and the situation is very volatile. But I mean looking ahead 2021 and is this kind of a potential new normal in profitability, if, as you said, the core business has improved fairly organically? And these margins, you're talking about is significantly higher than you've ever already achieved before. And would you expect assuming some form of stability? Would you expect that trend to continue into 2021?
Mihail Marcu
executiveI would not expect this, let's say, margin to stay as it is today. But I do not expect that the margins will collapse. That's for sure. I would expect the big demand in services. And again, what we did in March and April was to adjust the fixed cost, and this we are going to stay with us.
Operator
operatorThe next question is from [ Stephane Bethere ] of Fiera Capital.
Unknown Analyst
analystCan you hear me now?
Operator
operatorYes, we can.
Unknown Analyst
analystFantastic. Well, stunning results. I'm really impressed. In fact, I wanted to ask a similar question to what Alex just asked. But maybe just to clarify, if you don't mind. So I appreciate, of course, it was an unusual quarter. But of course, there were impacts in terms of top line as well as on the margins. But I think really sort of what we're trying to establish here is if we take this quarter, and of course, there will be growth going forward. Is it completely wrong to assume this is the new normal? And hence, if we multiply this by 4, this is broadly what to look at as a normalized P&L going forward after these distortions in the second quarter? And that's my one question. And the other one, I was hoping you can maybe talk a little bit about your plans on the M&A side. You referred to briefly, appreciate you might not be able to go into a lot of detail that perhaps at least we can talk about scale in terms of like what size of investments you have in mind, just thinking really about the balance sheet and in terms of how much you think you might be able to stretch it.
Mihail Marcu
executive[ Stephane ], for the question. So again, it is a very unusual facts. We have adjusted our services, and we believe it's not for the short term. It is the first time in the history of the mankind when the people realize, health insurance is not enough for you to survive or to keep you safe. It means that if you are healthy, you will -- you'll face the any new pandemic. So that will stay with us. The masks have been present for all of us traveling to Asia, and we are surprised they're wearing it. We did know that the first SARS was a different animal for that part of the world. So the masks will stay and the checkup, which everybody will say -- we strongly believe will stay with us, and we are readjusting ourselves for the new world that is going to come. So that's the one, the #1. So we believe, yes, there is going to be a very good demand of medical services, and we just had our strategic meeting last week mostly in line with some of us is some improvise TV studios to be able to discuss and to have an interactive discussion how to position ourselves. And we believe, yes, we can position ourselves well in order to capture economically, our position, which is very strong at this point in time. So -- but that is to tell you, yes, [ Stephane ], we are prepared, and we'll do -- we know what is going to happen, that's a bit too much for this point in time. And nobody should be, but I will say, yes, we know that's the formula to win the game. But we believe we are very well positioned. Secondly, the M&A is linked with my first -- with the first answer that I will give you. So we believe the fact that pharmaceutical and subscription were very resilient during the lockdown and the pandemic, it's true. So we intend to consolidate this sector. So if it's going to be M&A, as you could read throughout the lines in our press release today, yes, we wish we were having a bit more pharmaceutical into our model 6 months ago and now. So that would be expected to be a bit more developed and to have an eye on that. Of course, it doesn't mean that the next medical company will not switch to a pharmaceutical or to a network of pharmacy, no way. It means that we believe that GPs, which we said in Romania, [Foreign Language], which they were empowered by the government to keep the contact with most of the COVID patients will have a much bigger role in the future and his linked with pharmaceutical. And with the first aid will be a key point in the years to come. And expect net large, we have moved into these respects and -- but don't believe as scale Med Life will make acquisitions at -- in big scale of -- in this sector, maybe will make gradually some acquisitions and don't expect Med Life -- we are saying during the press release, we have EUR 20 million loans which we haven't used for acquisition. And of course, we have some ammunitions because, obviously, as you can see from our figures, we are very liquid. So we can generality, and we can generate leverage because today, it's the first time a long time, our debt-to-EBITDA ratio, it went down to 2.5%. So we have some room here. We want to develop, and we want to -- we have our strategy. We have discussed our strategy. We have a few points, but we are not going to rush into that. We will expect some pharma business to come soon, some new -- to complete our services, which happens, but not at a large scale. And of course, you should expect also us to be prepared for lab tests, which we are doing very well. And then larger bit and any kind of virus test may come because the people we test themselves for viruses for a long time by now. So I cannot tell you more in long answer, but I hope it covered your question. I'm not going to go into market. Yes because of this...
Unknown Analyst
analystFair enough. But just to clarify that, that suggests that your debt ratio, even the net debt-to-EBITDA might pick up again a little bit since you are seeing such opportunities. And obviously, we have potential medical talk. There's, of course, another, say, slightly larger investment project have a view as well. Is that a fair assumption?
Mihail Marcu
executiveExpect that leverage to, yes, to go up back not to 4 because -- and you get that done. But for sure, it's going to be a bit higher than is today. That's one. In Medical Park, that's the fourth question of this question. Don't expect us to rush. To be honest, we are very comfort, these medical park, which we both the land and this building. For the time being, we succeed to switch very rapidly and to occupy some of the spaces, especially with head office because now we are -- we have been in a cost a lot with this. But -- and we moved a lot of personnel there. And we believe the future, if we speak about margins, is, as we always said, to concentrate the 24/7 costs, which are huge at this point -- at this time in less places than we have to take.
Operator
operatorThe next question is from Bram Buring of Wood & Company.
Bram Buring
analystSo I realize we'll reach the end of the call, but I see we have quite a few questions. May I ask them one by one, please?
Alina Irinoiu
executiveYes, of course.
Bram Buring
analystOkay. Then first, with the volume side in your KPIs generally makes sense to me, there are a few things I want to understand on the pricing side, for instance, in the third quarter, we saw a 45% year-on-year increase in pricing in stomatology. And in laboratories, a 62% year-on-year increase in average fees per analysis. We saw a similar state in pharmacies, but I think in of what's going on there. Can you sort of just explain to me what happened in the third quarter with regards to average fees stomatology and other to please.
Alina Irinoiu
executiveYes. So on the side of oncology, the increase in the average price is influenced by the [ infinology ]. Most of the dentistry units from the Dentistat brand has a focus and an increased day by day, increased focus on this [ infinology ] that are much more sophisticated and with higher fee per basis. And regarding the numbers, the increase is coming from the PCR, the real-time PCR pricing, because that on average higher than others of analysis. So they are taking the average fee higher.
Bram Buring
analystNext set of questions. We're now half with through the fourth quarter. What should I expect in the fourth quarter in terms of patient volumes? Should it look much more like the third quarter? Or is something like an average run rate type of quarter? That's my second question.
Alina Irinoiu
executiveI think that it would be very difficult to make a projection, even if we are in November already, but we are not sure how would psychological context will evolve in the next 1.5 months. However, so the guidance, I would say that the context in Q3 should preserve in Q4. But of course, with the seasonality that is specific to a fourth quarter. And also, we rely on the number of cities Romania has, of course, mainly to fluctuations in the structures in all unit.
Bram Buring
analystOkay. And then apologies if I -- for not knowing this, but I noticed that in the third quarter, you had quite a high CapEx, there was roughly RON 35 million increase in fixed assets. What was going on there, specifically, please?
Alina Irinoiu
executiveYes. So looking at the cash flow statement in this net ASUs in investing activity was a bit higher than in prior periods last year. The most significant investment is one that you can also see on the balance sheet position regarding the plot land from Revista that we have already said before. And to the former outpatient unit that is going to be part of the Phase 1 of Medical Park the units in which we are going to move the current Revista hyperclinic. And some other acquisitions are in [ treatment ] and most of them related to the COVID PCR equipment, yes, the PCR equipment.
Bram Buring
analystAnd this was purchased not leased.
Alina Irinoiu
executiveYes.
Bram Buring
analystAll right. That will be me then -- well, final question I would like to have is if you could -- if you could give me a number, what would the annualized decrease in fixed costs look like in the business due to cost-saving measures you took as a result of COVID?
Alina Irinoiu
executiveSo an annualized decrease in the COVID?
Bram Buring
analystYes. I mean, you were able to cut -- you were able to expect your fixed costs, which is admirable. I'm wondering if you give me a figure, let's say, if I'm comparing 2021 with 2019. So between those 2 years to, let's say, normal is years, by how much will you be able to have reduced the fixed cost base?
Alina Irinoiu
executiveYes. Unfortunately, we didn't disclose this information but we can highlight once again, and I think it's very related and health fund -- It's that if we take out to the revenues related to PCR pacing and all COVID-related revenues this period, we are of reserves or even higher margins as compared to last year. And here, it's very important to calibrate the revenue because in second quarter, we had revenues by 22% decrease. So the decrease in revenue comes to that is with a depreciable cost and with a more pressure basically on the margin if the fixed costs are stable. But so given the cost reduction measures, we managed to preserve the margins. Regarding the proper of variance figures, we don't disclose that information.
Bram Buring
analystOkay. May I have one follow-up question, please?
Alina Irinoiu
executiveOf course.
Bram Buring
analystMr. Marcu, when you were discussing entry into the pharma section. I heard several things there, which, to me, could imply that you'd like to own more pharmacies or that you are looking at diagnostic testing as a potential new revenue stream or that you would become a generics pharmaceutical producer, which I rather expect is not the point. But given -- in those 3 areas that want to consider pharma, where are your real interest, please?
Mihail Marcu
executiveSo Med Life today is dealing with health sector. We are not going to switch. But in time, pharma life proved to be a very good instrument because it was a complementary business to us. So I -- you should not expect Med Life to have pharmacies outside the medical units or at least very close with medical units. It doesn't mean that we believe that will be limited to Med Life medical units.
Bram Buring
analystAnd then with regards to producing or buying a company which produces drug?
Mihail Marcu
executiveNo, no. No. I mean, not for the in mean that's not something that we have in mind.
Bram Buring
analystSo diagnostic testing, to me, sounds like the area that you would be most interested in, for instance, rapid antibody?
Mihail Marcu
executiveNo, I'm speaking about retail pharmacy, which are inside or very close to medical units. It could be also this big distribution into this respect, it can be deposits related with this activity. We strongly believe the GPs and the doctors should be closer to the pharmacies, which will both benefit the pharmaceutical sector and incomes and adopters. And that's a point where during the pandemic, we understood that we could grow, we could -- even if in the short term, that will might even affect our margins, but because that sector is not so profitable and some of them in time that will pay back and will make a more sustainable business as a Med Life core, especially on the clinical side.
Operator
operatorThere are no further questions at this time. So I would like to hand back to you.
Alina Irinoiu
executiveSo if there are no further questions. Shall we conclude our presentation. Mihail, if you would like to make a conclusion for the presentation.
Mihail Marcu
executiveYes. Thank you very much, Alina. So I will end the conversation today. So I'd like to just to take 3 minutes, very short, but I think I will -- I'm trying to conclude some of the things that we discussed today. Number one, we were not in a bad position if we can say that starting the pandemic, mostly because we have prepared some of the, as I said, online medical assistance as self-base, self check in, self check out in most of the clinics. And rapidly, we could introduce any kind of data, thermometers. We had most of the large things happening pandemic had terminals in airports. So with your own idea, you just scan it, scan the passport, you can take your marking your ticket in an airplane. And just with that, we are going to take the ticket to go into the doctor, and that was starting with 15th of March. That was very important to us. The second one an idea was that we are now depending for the people which were seeing not in the hospital. Not only my parents, but I know so many people, including younger, which they -- today, they want to take their sugar in blood, blood pressure, to monitor their hard to measure their lungs. And this is going to happen on a large scale. And we are preparing for that, and we intend to do that in the coming period. And we hope after the pandemic will ended, which we hope that will happen after the vaccine will come on the large-scale in maybe the third or the second or the first quarter next year in Romania to be prepared for these clients, for customers and patients, which we are going to work in our teams. We also -- we have to into view some development. Of course, we are -- on short term, we are enlarging the labs. You'll hear us soon enlarging even the COVID capacity because that will be needed for at least 6 to 8 months, and we would like to offer these services to the government and to our patients. And we will prepare that in the next period. Pharmaceutical business, we had lot of demand during the pandemic and still will stay. And the people would like to have nutrient, that people would like to have a healthier life. And I think that's a sector, including online, don't forget that we have launched last year this treatment and deform to platforms, which we'd like to enlarge, and we hope, especially the sales online, why not in pharma could be one of the ways. We have also a new hub, which is Medical Park, where we will not rush, and we will closely stay in touch with our main investor to have the feedback, but we believe sooner, we had a question from our investors. And we -- the question was if our leverage debt-to-EBITDA will grow. I would say is something interesting. So as another reporter today was asking, he noticed that we had a larger CapEx investment this year. So that means we had some more CapEx. And despite that, our leverage improved. That means -- so despite the fact we have made some investment due to an increase in EBITDA, we succeed to improve this ratio. It means that there is some room for that. It doesn't mean we'll do tomorrow, but still the main hub, which is going to be this hospital, which will take years and time to do. Now we have 3 new clinics, we have both at the end of last year. We bought the land and this medical part when we moved the head office, and we decreased a lot of the rent. And this will continue in the next years, and we have lots of space to develop a medical unit, which can adjust from the beginning to the new demand of the clients due to this funding. So that's the message we are saying, we are prepared -- we are very well prepared for that. We believe our ideas and our plans are well -- will fit into the new demand. It doesn't mean we'll take reads and invest over the night, we will closely monitor the pandemic. We are prepared to take the benefits of any kind of services throughout this period and will have the offer on the table. On the other hand, we'll prepare slowly for the new era for a new patient. Keep in mind the patients of 2021 in the second half and 2022 will ever look like the patients, which stand for many years before this pandemic pick up. Thank you very much for being with us today. I am very proud of the results and got judgment by the team, which was very, very difficult. And I'm very proud of the doctors of Med Life, the thousands of doctors of mandate stay with lots of masks and lots of all the things and lots of tests we have done to the patients, to the doctors, to the nurses, to the receptionist to the filters we have made, and we have led 1.5 million patients visiting our 4,000 medical staff during this period. And I can tell you we don't have cases of infection in between, which means we have protected our staff, and we have protected our patients, and that brings us a very good image and a very good, let's say, position to serve them in the future and to be ready for the years to come. Thank you very much, and have a good evening.
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