Medacta Group SA (MOVE) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
March 13, 2024
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorGood afternoon. This is the Chorus Call conference operator. Welcome, and thank you for joining the Medacta Full Year 2023 Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Francesco Siccardi, CEO of Medacta. Please go ahead, sir.
Francesco Siccardi
executiveThank you, and good morning or good afternoon. I'm going to present full year 2023 results. I'm here with Corrado Farsetta, CFO of Medacta. We have already presented our revenues, and we did quote again very good growth in terms of top line, close to 20% in constant currency and basically 17% reported. This growth was coupled with a very good margin production in terms of EBITDA. In fact, we managed to slightly beat our guidance in terms of constant currency EBITDA. And we, I think, clarified better with the graph in this slide how the FX effect have impacted EBITDA margin evolution, and we will go much more in detail in the next slides in details. In terms of non-prob employees, we added close to 200 new jobs in 2023, both in terms of headquarter and in terms of subsidiaries. If we go to the next slide, we have proposed to the Board of Directors that we propose to the AGM a distribution of CHF 0.55 per share. And in terms of outlook for this year 2024, we are targeting revenue growth at constant currency in the range of 13% to 15% and an adjusted EBITDA margin again at constant currency improving around 50 basis points from 2023. The revenue bridge by geographic area in the next slide showed once again a very, very strong performance in the EMEA region with a growth of 22.6%. Still very strong in the U.S., close to 16% and in Asia Pacific with both Australia and Japan performing extremely well and close to 20%. Latin America, a significantly smaller market, good growth around 12%. This geographic mix change has an impact as well on both gross profit and a little bit on the EBITDA as well, and we will discuss it later on. In terms of product mix, we have been pleased with our core business line, Hip and Knees, with 15.5% growth on the Hip side and over 23% on the Knee side. The Shoulder and Sports Medicine market increased close to 34%. So again, a very, very strong performance, and it's above 15%. So this is something that, in my opinion, is definitely significantly faster than the market growth across all the product line. It didn't have a positive impact from a tailwind in terms of overall backlog recovery, especially in the first half of 2023. Still see some positive effect. I'm sure there will be some questions about it. But overall, a very, very, very strong performance in terms of top line. The reason behind this growth remain very solid, and we expect to continue to grow above market in 2024 because of the products we have in our product range. So in terms of [ IPA ] what are offering on interior minimal invasive surgery. The knee with the newly launched and newly introduced new KA or kinematically aligned knee, the SpheriKA, is really driving a lot of attention. On the shoulder side and on the spine side, both in terms of products and in terms of technology, we see a very stronger driver for our future growth as well. I would like now to ask Corrado Farsetta to step in and drive us through the P&L performance of 2023.
Corrado Farsetta
executiveThank you, Francesco, and good morning and good afternoon, everybody. So if we look at our 2023 profit and loss, we see that with the revenue of EUR 511 million, we registered a gross profit of roughly EUR 348 million or 68.1% of revenue. This gross profit margin shows a reduction of roughly 1.7% compared to the previous year. But this 1.7% is 1.5%, so almost entirely explained by FX headwind coming from the FX evolution and translation effects into our currency, euro, which is the currency we presented the numbers. This reduction also includes some pressure on our GP coming from, as Francesco said, the geographic mix evolution, and also some price cuts and erosion in our key markets, which was almost entirely -- were almost entirely offset by a higher leverage on D&A sustained by the expansion in the top line that we registered in 2023 and some industrial efficiency that we registered also in our production cycle. Moving down to the fixed cost. We see that the operating expenses on revenue passed from 54.1% of last year to 53.3%, with the reduction of 0.3%, which is almost entirely attributable to the, let's say, higher leverage on G&A. The rest of the other lines remain more or less stable as a percentage of revenue compared to the previous year and which is, of course, explained by the expansion in basically top line and research and development structure. D&A, the total cost was EUR 58.4 million, showing also at this level a reduction as a percentage of revenue of roughly 0.4% compared to the previous year. And all these effects generated an EBITDA in 2023 of EUR 134.2 million to 26.3% at reported currency or 27.9% at constant currency, representing an increase in improvement compared to previous year of 0.3%. Moving down to the EBIT line. We see that it was 74.4% or 14.6% at reported currency. If you compare the previous year EBIT of EUR 61 million, the increase at reported currency is equal to 21%. If we net this amount from the FX effects, negative this year. And adjustments, we see that the growth of the EBIT was 28%, which represent the increase attributable to the top line growth of 19% at constant currency this year. Moving down to the financial result line, we see it was EUR 18.7 million with an increase of EUR 9 million compared to the previous year. I'd say this increase is entirely explained by an unrealized loss registered in 2023. And the biggest part of this unrealized loss was generated in the last 3 months of the year, where we have observed a very quick and big reduction, devaluation of U.S. dollars against the Swiss francs. Profit before tax resulted equal to EUR 58.7 million after having -- sorry, even as discounted, yes, the FX effect on the financial results. So the income tax was EUR 11.4 million with a slight increase compared to the previous year, generated by a change in profit mix associated to one-off effects attributable to the creation of the logistics hub in the United States. And this generated the EUR 47.4 million in 2023 as profit for the period. Moving to the CapEx chart. We see that in 2023, the total CapEx expense was EUR 80.6 million, out of which more than 60% of this amount is attributable to new instruments required by the expansion of our customer base and revenue increase. But I wanted to drive your attention to the table below, where you see the highlighted percentage of revenues on CC growth, the last line of the table. Where you see in 2022, for every EUR 100 of additional revenue, we have to invest EUR 119 invest in CapEx, instruments and other investments. This ratio in 2023 reduced by 25%, down to 94%. Means that for every EUR 100, we needed only EUR 94, and this represented a big saving in terms of cash needed to sustain our strong growth. Moving down to the cash flow slide. You see here the free cash flow generated in 2023 was negative for EUR 5.5 million, after having an investing activities for more than EUR 80 million, as we said. And now the last of my slides, which shows the evolution of our net financial position with an increase of EUR 24 million compared to last year, up to EUR 135 million. This is representing, in any case, a very low leverage, which passed from 0.93x the EBITDA last year to 1.01x the EBITDA of this year. This was the last slide for the 2023 results. I go back to Francesco.
Francesco Siccardi
executiveYes. I would just go back to the 2024 outlook. As I said before, we remain very confident in our ability to sustain significantly above market growth across all our business lines and geographies. And that is why we are providing an outlook of top line growth in constant currency of between 13% and 15%. And at the same time, we believe we can further expand our margins and the expected adjusted EBITDA margin for 2024 should improve by 50 basis points from 2023 reported. I think we can move to the Q&A session. And I would like to thank everybody for this year's performance, both our customers, our suppliers and our employees across the world. If the operator can manage the Q&A, we are ready. Thank you.
Operator
operatorThis is the Chorus Call conference operator, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] The first question is from Thando Skosana with UBS.
Thando Skosana
analystI've got 2, please. The first one is just on the 2024 guidance. Would it be great to get a sort of margin bridge there, Corrado, in terms of how you get to the 50 basis points this year. So I'm thinking your investment plans, price erosion, geographic mix, it would be great. And then just in particular, FX. Given the current rates now, what do you expect for the end of the year? And then my second question is just on free cash flow. Would love some sort of guidance for free cash flow this year, just going through your net working capital and then CapEx. And then just based on net inventory investment that you guys have made this year and also selling and marketing that you've made, do you think you're pretty much conservative on your 2024 revenue guidance?
Corrado Farsetta
executiveOkay. Thank you, Thando. So the first question is a bridge between this year marginality and next year marginality. We believe the gross profit margin should stay more or less at the same level like this year. We should see an increased inflationary effects of that level that should be offset by some improvements in our industrial processes, efficiencies. So basically, we expect that to stay at the same level of this year. We will continue to see a negative effect coming from geographic mix evolution because in our plan, Europe, the EMEA area is not expected to reduce, which is a good news, but that line should also put some pressure. On the other side, the positive effect should come from higher leverage on fixed costs, which will be sustained by the expansion of the top line that we forecast to be in the region of 13%, 15% compared to this year. Those are the main trends that we see in our numbers. If you speak about CapEx. As we have seen this year, we registered an improvement. The ratio is significantly lower than last year. We do not expect a similar significant reduction in 2024. But it's reasonable to expect a ratio in the region of the same percentage of this year, including some extraordinary, let's say, long term, better long-term investments that we have in our plan to sustain the expansion of the company in the next years. Free cash flow, we see an improvement, not a dramatic change. We should see a positive result next year because again, don't forget that the expansion of our top line requires always a big investment in terms of new inventory, accounts receivable, we charge new customers, and investments. So we expect to have some positive cash next year, not a dramatic change compared to this year because we still have some long-term growth in our pipeline to support the growth of next year.
Thando Skosana
analystOkay. And then just to follow up on that, were you -- sorry. .
Corrado Farsetta
executiveDid I answer all your questions?
Thando Skosana
analystYes, you did. Just the last one was just on the investments you've made and whether you feel that you are conservative on your 2024 revenue guidance?
Francesco Siccardi
executiveMaybe I can take this. I think we are always conservative in our guidance. But those guidances are, in any case, very challenging because we don't know how much tailwind to expect in 2024. We definitely expect less tailwind than in 2023, potentially tapering down the effect at the end of H1. The market growth for 2023 in terms of data are not really fully available yet, but I do not expect the same kind of tailwind in 2024 that we have seen in 2023. So we have been a little bit more cautious that the beginning of the year is more or less in line with last year in terms of tailwind from the market, but we don't expect this to last for all 2024. So we have -- we are a little bit cautious on this, as you probably have learned from us in the last years.
Operator
operatorThe next question is from Edouard Riva with ZKB.
Edouard Riva
analystActually, I would have 2 of them. Well, 3, if you allow me. The first question would be when one looks at the annual report, one would see that the inventories in the cash flow statement grew by EUR 44 million. This seems a lot compared to last year. And my second question would be the Swiss franc has been going down against euros since the end of January. Could you already see that as well, a good sign for the first half of the year?
Corrado Farsetta
executiveYes. Edouard, thank you for your questions. So back to the first question, inventory. I think that the biggest part of the increase is explained by ordinary growth of our customer base. And we wanted to make sure that there were no disruptions and no, let's say, lack of material in our inventory around the globe. This was also faster, which allowed us to catch new customers in 2023, say, taking some opportunities in the market coming exactly for that same reason, which means basically the inability to some competitors to supply. So we wanted to make sure that it was not the case for Medacta. And second, there was also a more, say, just -- I think it's worth to mention, but it's just an accounting treatment. Because in 2022, 2023, there was a, let's say, delivery, which was delayed from 2022 to 2023 from our supplier, which amounted to roughly EUR 5 million. This is also an increase that you see from an accounting standpoint, but which is not a real increase. So if you wanted to have a normalized effect, you should deduct EUR 5 million from this year and to put back in 2022 numbers. This is more normal. But again, this is just a one-off less accounting treatment effect rather than a real operating effect. What we can say is that the current level of inventory is exactly what we need to sustain the growth. Now the second part is FX. In January, they are -- they were a bit better. If you look at the U.S. dollar evolution against the Swiss francs, there was exactly the opposite trend with similar magnitude compared to the previous -- the last quarter in 2023. But to be honest, it's too early to say what could be the effect in 2024. We all hope that this will stabilize, but it's very difficult to say if and when. If you look at last year performances in second semester, we had a jump in this tax effect, which was not even forecasted at the end of the first semester. So if you compare the first and second semester, we almost doubled, which was not the case in the past. So it was an extraordinary situation. So we all hope that this should not happen again in 2024. And if you speak about the more specific unrealized loss we have measured that we are discussing in order to improve the situation to reduce, say, the fluctuation in our profit loss. Having said again, that is an unrealized loss. It's just the valuation of some intercompany accounts receivable that have been valued at December 31 currency translation.
Operator
operatorThe next question is from Sam England from Berenberg.
Samuel England
analystThe first one, you talked about some pricing erosion in key markets in 2023. Could you just talk a bit about how you're thinking about pricing for '24? And does the guidance assume further erosion in pricing for this year? And then, secondly, can you talk a bit about your COGS inflation expectations for 2024? Are you seeing any additional supply chain challenges given global events at the moment that are perhaps impacting on your assumptions around inflation for this year?
Francesco Siccardi
executiveYes, I might take the price erosion. Thank you for your question. We constantly see some price pressure across all the different geographies. In general, in the last couple of years, we've actually seen less price erosion than what was typically happening in the market. I think the inflation effect gave us, in terms of industry, an overall robust excuse, a reason to hold in terms of prices. But nevertheless, there are some markets where the pricing is fixed by governments. And we have seen Australia, for example, or Japan, in certain instances, that did simply reduce the price of their price list. Not all the price erosion, of course, is directly impacting our EBITDA. But of course, you see it immediately in the gross profit. So there are always quite a lot of activities that you can put in place on the cost side to try to minimize the overall effect of price erosion at EBITDA level. But in terms of gross margin on gross profits, there's very little you can do, and then there is the geo mix, et cetera. I think the price erosion will continue moving forward, in particular, in the U.S. market, the ambulatory surgery centers are much more price sensitive than the hospital pricing. And as we all know, both the market and Medacta is shifting rapidly into this segment of the U.S. market. There are some exceptions to this general rule in other markets, where we managed to only stop the decrease now, but as well have a price increase. Those are smaller markets, and I would say is more the exception to the rule. I will maybe ask Corrado to comment on the inflationary effects on the COGS, which I know in general are slightly less than what we have seen in the past.
Corrado Farsetta
executiveYes. Thank you, Francesco. So in 2024, I would say that we should continue seeing pressure on our GP line. And because in addition, what Francesco just discussed, which is the price evolution, we will have the geographic mix effect. As we said, European market will continue growing faster than other countries. And inflation. In 2024, we should see after 2 years an effect on our COGS of inflation from on raw materials. Because now we have almost completed use the old inventory and the level is now, let's say, the utilization is now picking the most recent finished products that have been produced with the updated cost, unfortunately. So this will be all negative pressure on our profitability at that line. On the other side, we expect to have some positive effects coming from industrial projects that we continue to be deployed in 2024. And another potential area of benefit could be an additional increased leverage on our instruments. We are -- we significantly improved in 2023, and we see there is still some more margin for other improvements in 2024. So this should help us to contain the erosion of our GP level.
Operator
operatorThe next question is from Edward Hall, Stifel.
Edward Hall
analystMy first one will be on your CapEx development and more specifically on your investments into your expansion. So with the U.S. operations becoming operational in mid-'25, is it fair to assume that your overall CapEx could somewhat stabilize in absolute amount in around '25, '26? And in terms of this particular facility, what does this do in terms of production volumes? And then my second question would be a question on FX and its impact on EBITDA versus sales. What's driving the difference in FX impact between these 2?
Francesco Siccardi
executiveYes, I will take maybe the first question because I see that there is a little bit of confusion. So the U.S. operational hub is a pure distribution center, a very large distribution center where we basically have split the global product supply in order to both serve the U.S. market and minimize as well the risk of distribution in case of something happens to the past and only central warehouse we had here in Switzerland. I think this was a situation we lead during COVID, and we really didn't want to have all our stock globally in one location. So this is just a pure distribution. The vast majority of our long-term investments in CapEx are in Switzerland. That's where we are basically doubling our production capacity. And this gives you, if you want, an idea of our midterm view in terms of growth potential of the company. These investments in terms of production space and office space in our headquarters should allow the company to minimize long-term investment until probably '26, '27 maximum. But of course, it all depends on our top line growth. So if we continue to grow at an accelerated pace compared to our original plan, which was the case in the last 3 years, we will have to restart investing in production capacity more or less in '27 and then more heavily in '28, '29. But for the next 3 years, I think what we are doing 3, 4 years, what we're doing now is definitely enough. But you can imagine when you have to expand your manufacturing plants, this process requires at least 2 to 3 years in terms of buying land, building the buildings and finish the projects. So hope this address your first question, and I will let Corrado go over the FX effect between top line and EBITDA.
Corrado Farsetta
executiveYes, sure. So just to add some additional information about the FX effect. First of all, I would like to remind that if you take the 2019 results compared to 2023, you see the constant currency, the profitability of the company has increased by 0.5%. So the rest is coming from translation into euro. And going line by line, you see that if we take this year as the last, let's say, one of the biggest chunk of the variance, the tax effect, you see that in the top line, which is 2.6% reduction compared to the constant currency growth. The biggest variation is coming from dollar, U.S. dollar and Japanese yen. Other currency as well. But basically, those 2 are representing the biggest part of our reduction in the top line. Moving down, this is -- the FX effect is generated by other negative evolution. Still against euro, always against euro. But in this case, if we speak about gross profit, we have to take into consideration that the Swiss franc, our production is entirely in Switzerland, which is, let's say, 95% represented by Swiss franc, cost of Swiss franc. Converting this super strong Swiss franc into euro generates the 1.5% FX effect at GP level, which is again entirely explained by the Swiss franc evolution against Europe. If you move down, fixed costs are offset by the evolution of the exchange of the currency against euro. Because if you take the U.S. dollar, you have a reduction in both top line and fixed costs. So the effect at the fixed cost line is much lower that you can see in the gross profit. That's why you see that from 1.5%, you pass to 1.6% at the EBITDA margin level.
Operator
operatorThe next question is from Anja Pomrehn from Mirabaud Securities.
Anja Pomrehn
analystOne question on CapEx has just been answered. But I'd like to add another couple. Francesco, you mentioned during your presentation that H1 '23 was impact -- positively impacted on backlog recovery. Now if I look at the distribution between the 2 semesters of '23, the sales are roughly equal. So my question is, you expect a slowing in the first half of '24 with a strong recovery than in the second half of '24 as such? And what would be the prime driver then in the second half for an additional boost? That would be 1 question. And the second question would be also regarding your margin guidance. Just to clarify, again, I mean, you're guiding an increase basically of around 50 bps above the reported '23 EBITDA margin, which was 26.3%. So we are now basically no more comparing then the adjusted EBITDA at constant currency, but now at the record level. Is that correct?
Francesco Siccardi
executiveAbsolutely. It is correct. So every year, we restart from the reported, and that's the new constant currency rate line. So if you want the 50 basis point improvement in terms of EBITDA are compared to 26.3%. So we're basically talking about 26.8% expected in terms of EBITDA for 2024.
Anja Pomrehn
analystOkay. Okay. And in terms of the backlog?
Francesco Siccardi
executiveYes. The backlog is something that I would say in the H1, we were -- the industry was probably surprised by the wave and at the speed of the wave. You remember last year, basically, everybody updated their guidance at the end of Q1. We did it at the end of H1 simply because we report in July. But this is -- was more or less a surprise. We have seen a very big effect in [indiscernible] especially U.S. in the first half and in Australia in the first half. We have then continued to see a good positive effect in the second half as well. A little bit less in Australia because it was linked to the specific government-driven public-to-private program, which stopped. And we don't know if and when, for example, in Australia, this will restart. That's why I don't like to bet on things I cannot control. If it comes, we will be ready in terms of supply chain, as we have been in 2023, to grab those opportunities. But until we don't see it, I would not bet on that. We still continue to see a good demand both in Europe and in U.S.. I think in the U.S., there is still a little bit. While in Europe, the only significant market that we know there is a backlog is the U.K. But to be able to recover this backlog, it does require a significant focus under political point of view, and we don't see it happening at the moment. And you know that the U.K. market is, at the moment, marginally impacting our performance. So the European performance is mainly driven by a very solid demand from the market and our ability to take market share, especially linked to the inability of our main competitors to supply probably because of the extra demand they had in the U.S. So they prioritized the U.S. market versus Europe, and this created a lot of extra opportunities. If we go back to our own expected source of growth, I think what we are seeing on the Knee side, on the Shoulder side is really driven by our product offering. So kinematic alignment, after almost 10 years of collecting data and preaching the market about how good this technique was is finally breaking through. And I believe our offering is very, very big, very robust with very solid data and very good key opinion leaders supporting the concept. So this is maybe something that we will collect in terms of ability in market share in the second half of 2024. In the first half, we have a lot of marketing events, celebrations around our 25th anniversary. We have symposium in the U.S., in Europe, in Lugano next month, in Japan and in Australia in the second half of the year. So there will be quite a lot of marketing push from our side to sustain Knee sales, which are typically then pulling some Hip sales as well. It was exactly the opposite in the past. And then we have the other line, Shoulder and Spine, which have a relatively smaller base. And that's why we expect significantly higher than market growth, very much in line with what we have seen in the past.
Operator
operatorThe next question is a follow-up from Edouard Riva, ZKB.
Edouard Riva
analystYes. I would have a follow-up question regarding the Sports Med segment. Because this year, you have separated it from what used to be -- sorry, Shoulder and Sports Med. And we can see that it grew almost by 100%. Is this due to new products? Or is it simply a reshaping of the segment?
Francesco Siccardi
executiveSo the Sports Medicine is still reported under the Extremities. And yes, it did grow very, very high in percentage, but it's still a small portion of our overall revenue. So we are simply finalizing the product portfolio and starting to create dedicated salesforce, other selling Sports Medicine only or combined with our Shoulder team. And that is why, at the moment, it's still combined under the Extremities. I don't see where the Sports Medicine is reported separately.
Edouard Riva
analystSorry, Page 165 of the annual report, analysis of revenues.
Francesco Siccardi
executiveMaybe. But again, percentage-wise, it might be explosive. But the overall numbers are really, really small to begin with in a market that, as you know, is between EUR 6 billion and EUR 7 billion. So it's a percentage of a small number, and this is not something significantly moving the line in terms of overall group sales.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] The next question is from Robert Davies with Morgan Stanley.
Robert Davies
analystIt's Robert Davies from Morgan Stanley. One question I had is just in terms of competitive position against peers. How much of an issue or kind of, I guess, larger U.S. peers copying your route-to-market, copying products, how do you sort of stay ahead of the curve? And are you sort of noticing that? Or is there not really a sort of push to copy your business model because I know it's sort of quite different to the way they see it?
Francesco Siccardi
executiveI think we've been operating maybe a little bit more under the radar until now. In the last 2, 3 years, our activities, our growth, our visibility has increased a lot. We have been introducing the market 10 years ago, this immediately stabilized bowling [ socket ] concept. After several years, the vast majority of our large competitors did come up with something, let's say, in the same space. Still not as good as in terms of technical features. Now for example, in the last 10 years, we have been pushing kinematic alignment, and everybody was saying it was crazy, not good, criminal, unethical. Now everybody is saying that it was not so stupid. And in the meantime, we have developed a new dedicated implant. So the short answer is that we try to stay ahead through innovation. And so they will continue to look at us, especially if we grow at the pace we grow. I would say they have other strategies as well. We have to look at each other. First, we are still a very, very small player compared to them. Some of them have their own strategy, which works very well for them. And -- but in general, I would say we must continue to stay ahead of the curve with innovative solutions that are able to move the needle in terms of patient satisfaction and at the same time, really maintain an economical value, sustainability in terms of health care cost, which is typical from Medacta. So again, short answer is by innovation.
Robert Davies
analystAnd then maybe just 1 follow-up. Just thinking about the medium-term margin trajectory of the company. How important is the sort of business mix between Hip, Knee, Extremity and Spine, for example, in terms of your kind of optimistic and pessimistic outcomes on the margin? How big of a differential do you have across those businesses? So maybe as Hip and Knee normalizes over time, maybe a little quicker than Extremities and Spine. Is that a headwind or a tailwind to your profitability medium term?
Francesco Siccardi
executiveSo if we talk about profitability in terms of gross profit margins, I would say Hip and Knees are probably lower than Spine and Extremities. But then if you go down in terms of EBITDA, we don't have a segment reporting. But it's clear that today, Hip and Knee profitability is diluted by our investments in the earlier phase of development of Spine and Shoulder and Sports Medicine. That's probably true at the EBITDA level. So short answer is that if we continue to develop the smaller lines, their dilution effect will decrease, and that is why we could expect, if other variables will not change dramatically, an improvement over time of our margins step by step. And we are always talking about constant currency effect. If you look at our constant currency EBITDA, it has been relatively stable, around 30% from 2019 despite the fact that we had a very, very significant top line growth. So this is another factor you consider in the evolution. If we go back to a more reasonable, let's say, top line growth, I think small margin expansion in constant currency and EBITDA level is something I would expect. If on the other side, we can grow much faster, we will sacrifice a little bit of EBITDA, CapEx, et cetera, and I would do it with great pleasure.
Robert Davies
analystThat's great. Maybe if I can just squeeze 1 final 1 in. Just on your outlook statement and your 2024 guidance. Just on the margin. The margin that you've guided to, have you provided any color what the FX headwind would be to that margin? Or is that on the assumption that there isn't currently any FX headwind, but if it moves, then we would need to factor that in?
Francesco Siccardi
executiveYes, the second aspect. So we always provide the guidance at constant currency. And so therefore, it is for you to figure out any FX effect and then we will see it. I think it's very challenging for us to guide reported EBITDA and especially now with the fluctuations we have seen in terms of CapEx.
Corrado Farsetta
executiveYes. And when we say constant currency, we always refer to the previous year as a customer, say, constant currency new baseline.
Operator
operatorMr. Siccardi, there are no more questions registered at this time.
Francesco Siccardi
executiveThen I would like once again to thank everybody for participating to today's call. And I would like especially once again to thank all our customers that have helped support and grow our company over the last years, our suppliers and our employees. Thank you very much.
Operator
operatorLadies and gentlemen, thank you for joining. The conference is now over. You may disconnect your telephones.
For developers and AI pipelines
Programmatic access to Medacta Group SA earnings transcripts and 32,000+ others is available through the
EarningsCalls.dev REST API. Plans from $24.99/month — full transcripts, speaker segments,
full-text search, and the recently-added /api/v1/transcripts/recent polling endpoint for ETL pipelines.