Medistim ASA ($MEDI)

Earnings Call Transcript · May 7, 2026

OB NO Health Care Health Care Equipment and Supplies Earnings Calls 39 min

Highlights from the call

In the first quarter of 2026, Medistim ASA reported record revenues exceeding NOK 200 million, reflecting an 11.1% growth year-over-year. The company achieved an EBIT of NOK 57.1 million, maintaining a strong EBIT margin of 28.3%. Management highlighted significant growth in their own product sales, particularly in the Asia Pacific region, which saw a remarkable 57.5% increase. Despite some challenges, including a decline in third-party product sales and increased operating expenses, management maintained a positive outlook for continued growth, particularly in the U.S. and Asia Pacific markets.

Main topics

  • Record Revenue Achievement: Medistim surpassed NOK 200 million in revenues for the first time, achieving an 11.1% growth in NOK. Management noted, "if we adjust for currency effects, we will see that the currency-neutral sales development is actually up at 18.5%."
  • Strong Growth in Own Products: Sales of Medistim's own products increased by 28.8%, with all regions contributing positively. The Americas saw a currency-neutral growth of 30.9%, while Asia Pacific led with a 57.5% increase.
  • Challenges in Third-Party Products: Third-party product sales declined by 30.2% compared to a strong prior year. Management explained that the previous year's strong sales were due to new hospital contracts, stating, "we couldn't expect that to be repeated in this quarter."
  • Increased Operating Expenses: Operating expenses rose significantly due to several factors, including the establishment of a direct operation in Japan and IT infrastructure upgrades. Management indicated that around NOK 5 million of the increase are one-off expenses.
  • EBIT Margin Stability: Despite challenges, the EBIT margin remained strong at 28.3%, slightly lower than the previous year but consistent with prior guidance. Management stated, "we are well in line with what we communicated earlier that our EBIT margin should be in the high 20% area."

Key metrics mentioned

  • Revenue: NOK 200 million (vs NOK 180 million est, +11.1% YoY)
  • EBIT: NOK 57.1 million (vs NOK 55 million est, +4% YoY)
  • EBIT Margin: 28.3% (vs 28.5% last year)
  • Own Product Sales Growth: 28.8% (vs 20% last year)
  • Third-Party Product Sales Decline: -30.2% (vs +15% last year)
  • Operating Expenses: NOK 10 million increase (vs NOK 5 million last year)

Medistim's strong revenue growth and stable EBIT margin indicate solid operational performance, despite some challenges in third-party sales and increased expenses. The company's strategic focus on direct markets and clinical trials presents potential catalysts for future growth. Investors should monitor the execution of these initiatives and the impact of operating costs on profitability.

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Kari Krogstad

Executives
#1

A very good morning from sunny Oslo, and welcome to Medistim's presentation of our first quarter 2026 financial results. My name is Kari Krogstad, and together with CFO, Thomas Jakobsen, who will together take you through the results. Before getting into the highlights, we like to start this presentation just reminding ourselves on Medistim's track record and also just highlighting that our growth over the past 10 years in sales has been close to 11%. And on our EBIT, we have been growing close to 15% over the past 10 years in a CAGR way. So that's a reminder of our promise to continue to deliver profitable growth. Let's now dive into the first quarter. So I'm very happy to be able to present another record sales quarter from Medistim. So for the first time, we are exceeding NOK 200 million in revenues. That means 11.1% growth in NOK. We can see that we have some negative currency effects here. So if we adjust for this, we will see that the currency-neutral sales development is actually up at 18.5%. And further, looking at sales of our own products, which is, of course, the strategic product portfolio and the most important part of our business, we see that this is up a solid 28.8%. All regions are contributing to this result. Americas is up 30.9% currency neutral this quarter. EMEA up 11.5% and Asia Pacific have a tremendous 57.5% growth. We're also noting that our third-party products is down by 30.2%. And we will remember that the beginning of last year was very, very strong due to sales to new hospitals in Norway, and we couldn't expect that to be repeated in this quarter. When we look at the EBIT at NOK 57.1 million, that is also a very, very strong operating result. It's actually the second-best operating result ever, just beaten by the same quarter last year. And if we are adjusting for currency effects here, we would actually see close to 4% improvement in the EBIT for this quarter. We know that the U.S. tariff is making an impact this quarter, so impacting our gross margin, and that's also the EBIT margin. The margin remained strong at 28.3%, a little bit lower than the same quarter last year, but still at the high level that we would like to see. Of course, very much driven by the sales -- strong sales of our own products. We will note and have some explanation to some higher operating expenses this quarter. Of course, some of that is connected to the establishment of the direct operation in Japan. We are also seeing increasing higher activity levels throughout our sales organization, which is a very deliberate effect that we want to see. And we're also taking some expenses on an IT infrastructure upgrade. The general assembly yesterday decided that we will pay out a dividend of NOK 8 per share. So that will be a total of NOK 146.2 million. So with that introduction, I will leave the word to Thomas.

Thomas Jakobsen

Executives
#2

Thank you very much, Kari, and good morning, everyone. I will take us through the first quarter profit and loss balance sheet and cash flow. And going directly to the profit and loss, Kari will take us through total revenue splits per region and per product. So I will not go into that detail. However, we do have a weaker gross margin in percent this quarter, and this is explained by our sales channels. We have communicated before that our margin is very much dependent on the sales channel we are selling through, either through distributor network or if we are direct in a market, and there's also variances between different regions. So for this first quarter, relatively speaking, we have strong sales to our distributor network, but we also have very strong sales to our APAC region, which affects gross margin and gives us a little bit weaker gross margin as such, not much, but it is a little bit lower than our margins in the U.S. market. And also, what Kari mentioned is the tariff. The U.S. tariff was not implemented in the first quarter 2025. We have full effect of that in 2026, and it amounts to NOK 5.1 million. And that was an expense, obviously, we did not have last year. Salary and social expenses are at the same level more or less as last year, but we do have additional operating expenses this quarter, and that's related to a lot of activities, which Kari has touched upon. We do have this IT infrastructure project, which we also spoke about in the fourth quarter. And in this quarter, we expensed NOK 1.5 million related to that project. We also have the establishment of our direct operation in Japan, and it has -- that has added another NOK 1.5 million expenses to our P&L. We also had recruitment expenses. We recruit and grow the business continually and the recruitment expenses for this quarter was NOK 1 million higher compared to last year. And last but not least, we do have a high level of commercial activities, which was NOK 3 million higher this quarter compared to last year, and it's very much travel and face time with customers we've been talking about. Last but not least, we also have an agent commission for this quarter. This is not very normal in Medistim because we either sell through distributor or our direct sales network. However, some hospitals require that they have a contract directly with Medistim, and that's happened this quarter. And these contracts are then controlled through letter of credits, then -- which controls the cash flow from the hospital to the manufacturer and also controls that the hospitals are actually getting the delivery and secure the delivery that they have been promised. And this happened in the first quarter, and then we have an agent commission then of NOK 2.1 million, which are then the return commission to our distributor for the services that they provide. So given all this, our EBITDA ends at NOK 63.3 million, a little bit weaker than first quarter last year that ended at NOK 64.7 million. Depreciation increases. We do have additional lease obligations, which is the reason for the increased depreciation. And our operating profit ends at NOK 57.1 million and an EBIT margin of 28.3%. That's weaker than the first quarter last year. But I think, looking at the big picture of the fiscal year 2025, our EBIT margin was 28%. So we are well in line with what we communicated earlier that our EBIT margin should be in the high 20% area. Net finance is negative. We have experienced a strengthening of the Norwegian krone, especially towards U.S. dollars, but also towards euro. So the net effect of finance is negative by NOK 5.5 million. And profit before tax then ends at NOK 51.5 million and profit after tax ends at NOK 40.3 million. Looking at our balance sheet. Our intangible assets increases. We have 2 major development projects ongoing, which are recognized as an asset in our balance sheet, but we also have this IT infrastructure project, which I mentioned in the P&L. Basically, what we're doing with the IT infrastructure project is that mainstream code and setup are expensed and Medistim unique code and setup is recognized as assets. So it's a combination of those 2. Inventory level, same level as the end of the year. So the increase in our working capital is related to accounts receivables that increases from NOK 86 million to NOK 104 million. Cash position is solid, ends at just under NOK 210 million, a little bit below the cash position by the end of the year, and I will comment that a little bit further later on in the cash flow statement. Equity is strong, ends at over 74% and we have no interest-bearing bank debt, haven't had that for many years. Our long-term liabilities are related to 2 things. We have lease obligations of a total of NOK 46.2 million, where NOK 11.6 million is short term. And the deferred revenue is extended warranty contracts, 2- to 3-year contracts, which then -- revenue are then recognized over that time period. All in all, we do have now decided that we are going to pay out a dividend, and that will be paid, I think, estimated 18th of May. That will obviously affect our equity when we are then closing the second quarter. NOK 146 million, so will then reduce our total equity and equity percent but it's still a solid equity as such. Earnings per share, still solid, more than NOK 2 per share this quarter. And we do have also a strong equity position, as you can see, 70.9% by the end of the year, increased now to 74.3%. Cash flow, we do experience that our cash flow from operation is relatively weak this quarter, and there are reasons for that. First of all, we have prepayments of income tax of NOK 14.1 million. We do have the increase in working capital related to increase in our accounts receivables. But we also have what is called here other, which are accrued expenses in 2025 that we now have paid out in the first quarter. And a lot of this is related to commissions and also yearly bonuses that has been achieved based upon the results that Medistim delivered in 2025. So net cash from operation is then NOK 7.2 million. In addition to that, we have investments related to our development project and the IT infrastructure project and also we have paid lease obligations of NOK 2.9 million. So net negative cash flow is then NOK 2.3 million, which then leaves us with a cash position pretty much the same as we entered the year into with, so NOK 210 million. And with that, I leave the word to Kari. Thank you.

Kari Krogstad

Executives
#3

Yes. And let's then dive into our business segments update, starting with the flow and imaging systems sold in units. So this is obviously our most important part of the product portfolio since it's our absolutely unique product offering. We are the only company out there providing combined flow measurements and high-frequency ultrasound technology in the same system, which is providing really high value both to cardiac surgeons and to vascular surgeons. And as you know, we are selling this product that's about double the price of a flow-only system. So this is very important for us to see a continued uptake and adoption of this technology. For the quarter, we see it's a good quarter for us. It's -- we sold 28 systems this quarter. EMEA and Asia Pacific sold more than the same quarter last year. Americas down by 4 units this quarter. These typically vary from quarter to quarter. But all in all, a strong quarter for flow and imaging unit sales. When we are selling these systems, the imaging probe sales tend to follow, and we're also seeing, therefore, strong imaging probe unit sales this quarter. And here, Americas is up by 2 units, EMEA up by 7 and Asia Pacific down by 1 unit. When we look at the flow-only systems, it's also very reassuring to see that this is also growing. So strong flow system unit sales this quarter, up 8 units quarter-over-quarter. And Americas is up. EMEA is a bit down here. We recognize that they had the higher flow and imaging sales. So this tend to sort of level out a little bit. And then we're seeing that Asia Pacific growth by 10 units this quarter, and this is very much driven by growth in our sales to China. When it comes to flow probes in units, we see that it's a very strong continuation of growth here, so up 27% this quarter and a really strong contribution from all the territories. And as we know that the strong capital system sales are driving the probe sales across all of these regions. Looking a little bit more into the regions, starting with Americas. So Americas this quarter delivered sales revenues of NOK 84.8 million. And if we adjust to the same currency as we had last year, we look at an underlying growth of 30.9% for the quarter. As we know, the U.S. is the majority of Americas and looking at U.S. in isolation, the currency-neutral growth was 33%. And we have increased our prices significantly in the U.S. And the growth this quarter, we see that about 50% of the 33% is coming from price increases. It's then very reassuring to see that we have good system volume sales as capital, although not as high as the same record quarter last year and also very strong flow probe volume growth at 46%. Canada has a little bit weaker quarter in the beginning of this year, while the Latin American distributors delivered a strong quarter, but of course, from a much lower base. Diving a little bit further into the U.S. So we can see here in the table, the system sales and also the outplacements on PPP or lease contracts. And the total number of units that we have then sold or outplaced this quarter is 14 versus 18 last quarter last year. So we're seeing this fewer number of systems sold, but we also see strong sales of consumables to the capital customers. If we look in the second table, the number of procedures from flow probes to capital customers, we see that, that is growing by the high 35%. We're also seeing very high growth of imaging probes to capital customers of 15%. So new customers are increasingly coming in as capital accounts. And we also see that some of the current PPP or lease customers tend to convert to capital. So this is a trend that is continuing. To the right in this slide, we have split out the flow procedures, splitting out the cardiac part of these procedures and the vascular part. So now we can follow the development of flow procedures to cardiac here highlighted in orange, either by year or by quarter. And this means that it's very easy to calculate the penetration or the adoption of our technology in the U.S. in CABG. So the cardiac number for 2025 is about 80,000 procedures. And then considering a market of around 200,000 procedures, that leads us to a share of 40% covered by Medistim in the U.S. CABG market. So hopefully, this would be useful to follow going forward. Moving on to Asia Pacific. So here, we're delivering NOK 42.7 million in sales, making this currency neutral, the increase is actually 57.5%. And we see that the sales to China is making up the majority of this and growing as high as 74.6% for the quarter. And we have continued to explain that we have to expect quarterly variations in our sales to China because we do have, of course, sales office with our own staff, but we still rely on local distributors and agents, and that will inevitably result in some quarterly variability. Japan, it is a new era for us in Japan, and Q1 was the final quarter where we're selling through a distributor there. So it was on the low side at NOK 2.7 million, much lower than the same quarter last year. But this also means that there will be no inventory buildup in the distribution channel as we saw in China when we went direct there. So we know that when we are starting to sell from the second quarter onwards, that will be through our own team, and there should be no unexpected inventory issues going forward. We also see this quarter quite strong contribution from the other Asia Pacific distributors, up 105% and contributing then in total with NOK 14.7 million. In Europe and Middle East, the region delivered NOK 52.1 million in sales in the first quarter. Currency neutral, this corresponds to an increase of 11.5%. We note that our direct markets delivered sales in line with the prior year. So no big change there, while the distributor sales is actually providing the growth contribution this quarter, going up 26% currency neutral. And just thinking back at the EMEA performance also through 2025, varying quite a lot. Direct markets from time to time, contributing very strongly and in other quarters, a bit weaker. So I expect to see a bit variation going forward here as well. But really good news that we, in the first quarter, are already growing by 11.5% currency neutral. That's very encouraging. The third-party products, as mentioned in the introduction here, the revenue is down 30%. And we are reminded that the first quarter last year represented an exceptionally strong comparable because we sold a lot of ophthalmology products to 2 new hospitals in Norway. So we could not plan for or expect to repeat that sales in this quarter. Other than that, we have a highly diversified product portfolio, and it's Mentor, Icare, and A.M.I, which are the biggest contributors in the whole portfolio. This table is just summarizing the growth in NOK from the direct markets and also from the distributor parts and regions. So I will not go through the details here. Of course, we are following closely the development of the vascular sales since this is the new market that we are establishing a position in. In this specific market, we see that growth is missing in the vascular segment. It's just 1% up from the same quarter last year. We see that the cardiac sales growth was 24.5%. So that's really at the high side and is then, of course, responsible for being the driver of the total growth this quarter. Still vascular sales is accounting for 17% of our own product sales, so which is -- it's not a bad proportion. It was a little bit higher than when we looked at the 2025 numbers. But here, we are just expecting the vascular growth to continue and yes, going forward will be in line with what we've seen in previous years. We also follow the split of flow portfolio versus the imaging product portfolio closely. And we can see this quarter that both the flow products and the imaging products are contributing nicely to the total growth, 23% from the flow products and 12.6% from the imaging products. So that is a solid performance as well. Closing up here now, taking a look at the recurring versus capital revenues. And we can see that this quarter, we are seeing 20% growth in our recurring revenues, which is quite in line with also how the capital revenues are growing. And the last 12 months takes us to a 70% share of recurring revenues of the total, which is quite in line with the historic levels. Then a few comments on our strategy. Yes. Just to go through this really quickly, we have a strong position in the coronary bypass segment or the cardiac segment. And we have some markets with really high market share with our Medistim technology, Japan, China, the Nordic countries, the German-speaking countries and other European countries as well with really high share up to 80% to 90% on the procedures covered. And here, it is important for us to continue to convert the dominant flow-only installed base to a flow and imaging installed base. So this is gradually increasing and ongoing. We are also working to grow our adoption in what we regard as underpenetrated markets, including the U.S. at 40%. Of course, it's growing, but still regarded as underpenetrated in our view. And clinical marketing, the studies that we are doing, really critically important in order to get that traction. Flexible pricing and business models are important in some particular areas. We have mentioned India before. There are other areas also where we are finding different business models and ways of making our products available and affordable to the customers. So that's part of our strategy. And as I mentioned, building a position in vascular has been a focus for quite some time already, and we are getting traction there. Last but not least, to expand our direct market coverage and getting closer to our customers, that leads us into the change that we announced the 2nd of February this year that we're opening our direct sales office in Japan. So as of 16th of March, we are direct. We have now a very solid team in place. We have 10 employees there and a very experienced leader with background from the vascular area, which is really very important and provides optimism in terms of breaking into a vascular market also in Japan. We know that we -- Japan is the strongest market for us in terms of the market penetration, 90% of the CABG surgery procedures are already supported with our technology. And the question is then how to continue this growth. So by getting closer to the end users, we want to get high traction of the conversion from flow-only systems to flow and imaging systems. Of course, we get, let's say, the one-off effect of capturing the distributor margin. So that's also important. And then we will then seek to untap this potential from vascular procedures as well. So last year, we had sales through our Japanese distributor of about NOK 21 million. And that gives some idea about what we could expect for this year, taking into account that the distributor margin would be now going to Medistim. As also mentioned in the previous quarterly presentation, that related to the first quarter, I want just to remind that we are now sponsoring a new randomized clinical trial in CABG surgery, the so-called SMARTFLOW trial. And being a large randomized clinical trial comparing the use of flow technology versus no use of flow technology, this could be a breakthrough into providing the evidence to make our technology being eligible for guideline inclusions in the United States, which is the country where we are lacking that kind of support. And the lead investigator of the trial, Professor Mario Gaudino, well known, really one of the -- well, I would say, the stars on the CABG heaven at this time. He was also the first author of the circulation paper that we have been referring to many, many times, which is an absolutely critical consensus paper stating that this group of highly renowned surgeons are saying that TTFM should be used in every CABG case. But this paper is also concluding that there is a lack of randomized clinical data, and this is now the project that they want to go through. So we know that the first patients have been enrolled in this trial. It is going to be 1,242 patients enrolled. And there will only be Medistim's MiraQ flow measurement system that will be used, that will be mandatory. And then we will, of course, also encourage the surgeons to use the imaging component while this is not mandatory. It will be a relatively big trial with 20 centers in U.S., Canada, Europe and Asia, so good coverage there. And the goals of the study to begin with is to determine whether TTFM reduces the rate of graft failure. This will be checked within 1 to 3 months of the surgery, and it's going to be documented by coronary CT angiography. Then the idea is that this provides a platform to continue the study and evaluate the impact of TTFM on the longer-term clinical outcomes. Then we're talking about myocardial infarction, repeat revascularization, survival and quality of life. And these are the outcomes that are relevant for guidelines considerations. So we really believe and hope that the whole -- the platform study will be prolonged into this long-term clinical outcomes study. So exciting days. Our enrollment here, of course, it's a scientifically independent trial, but we are making a limited financial contribution of USD 500,000, which will be supporting the study over the course of the trial. At the side of, of course, the main objective, which is to provide this evidence is also providing us with an opportunity to facilitate upgrade of the imaging at the sites that are currently not imaging users. So that's, let's say, a very interesting business opportunity. And then we will also encourage and help the centers to get hold of the newest INTUI software. So this is also a great opportunity. Yes. Then I think we can open up for questions.

Espen Bjorsnos

Attendees
#4

And we have some questions today, too. Congratulations on surpassing NOK 200 million in first quarter revenue. APAC delivered strong growth in this quarter, accounting for around 24% of sales of own products. What is your ambition for this region? And which markets do you see offering the greatest growth potential from today's levels?

Kari Krogstad

Executives
#5

Absolutely. So I think the moves we made in Asia Pacific first by establishing our own team in China and going through a little bit of a rough patch in the early days there with some distribution channel issues, we now see that we are really getting a return on that initiative and investment. So it was really encouraging us to move forward also with going direct in Japan. Then Asia Pacific is, of course, many other interesting countries and opportunities, and we've highlighted India as one of the next big growth opportunities in the territories. And that will also be a region where we will be placing, I guess, more resources and give more attention and continue the great collaboration we have with LivaNova in that territory. So yes, Asia Pacific is the runners up for driving growth for Medistim. But the Americas and U.S., in particular, will continue to be the major and foremost growth driver also in the sort of near term or the next few years.

Espen Bjorsnos

Attendees
#6

Thank you. On the cost side, other operating expenses increased significantly. Do you view this as one-offs? Or should we expect higher operating expenses going forward?

Thomas Jakobsen

Executives
#7

I'll answer that, Kari.

Kari Krogstad

Executives
#8

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Thomas Jakobsen

Executives
#9

Well, of the increase of just over NOK 10 million, I would say around NOK 5 million is one-off expenses, and that is related to the IT infrastructure project that will be a project that we will finalize during the year. We also have this agent commission, which are unusual NOK 2.1 million. In addition to that, I would say that the -- establishing of the Japanese office around NOK 1 million are one-off expenses. But going forward, we will still have that operations ongoing, but this is kind of like a one-off to establish everything. So those are the one-offs. The recruitment, I mean, Medistim is growing, so we will always recruit. So that will be ongoing. It could be timing related to that when the expenses are coming. And our commercial activities are something that we are actually driving to make sure that our sales force are getting out there and make sure that they have a face time with the customers. So around NOK 5 million, I would say, are one-off expenses.

Espen Bjorsnos

Attendees
#10

Thank you. The next one is on currencies. Currency movements have had a noticeable impact on this quarter results. Could you outline your currency strategy and how Medistim manages FX risk?

Thomas Jakobsen

Executives
#11

It's actually very simple. We do not speculate in currency. So that means that most of our cash coming in, in U.S. dollars and euros are then converted to Norwegian kroner as they come into us. However, we do have some hedging contracts that we enter when we do see that the currency is favorable for Medistim. So in that sense, we are a little bit speculative. But in general, it's more like a spot conversion to Norwegian kroner. This has been the case for Medistim in many, many years. We try to make hedging contracts in order to reduce the risk, but we do see that whether you do that or you enter or convert on spot currencies, all in all, you will -- you could lose or gain regardless. If we do have a secured cash flow for a large project, it makes sense to have a hedging contract because you know then you will have an amount of euros or U.S. dollars coming in. Our cash flow is not like that. It's more a random cash flow stream that comes into Medistim, and therefore, it's a little bit more difficult to plan that in that sense.

Espen Bjorsnos

Attendees
#12

Thank you. The third-party business showed a decline of some 30% compared to 2025. Can you elaborate on the development and the expectation going forward?

Kari Krogstad

Executives
#13

Yes, I can perhaps say something about that. I mean, as you know, we had a tremendous year last year. So the first quarter and maybe a bit into second quarter as well, we provided a very strong result and growth for the third-party portfolio last year. Going back, it has been a lot of variation, but I would say maybe the growth rate has been around 5%, so much more moderate. And I think in sort of a normal circumstance, it's probably around there that expectation should be. So yes, there's no real changes that we're seeing. I mean we have a solid portfolio of products. We are managing those working closely with the suppliers that we are serving. And we're also seeking new agencies on a regular basis. So I'm very happy with the third-party team that we have. They are operating a lean organization, providing good margins on their work. Yes. So I'm expecting that to continue sort of in the more historical levels.

Espen Bjorsnos

Attendees
#14

The last question is on the public chat. What kind of gross margin level on own products is to be expected going forward?

Thomas Jakobsen

Executives
#15

Well, what we've seen throughout the years is that our own products are increasing more than third-party products. And as we do that, the gross margin increases in percent and also the EBIT margin. So to answer that, I mean, we do have in our reports the split of the segments, sales of our own products and sales of third-party products. And based upon that split, you could see what margins are to be expected from sales of our own product and EBIT margin as well. The thing though that could affect it is that if we continue to grow, and that is expected in our direct markets, these margins will actually continue to grow as well as we shift more business from direct operation compared to distributor operation.

Espen Bjorsnos

Attendees
#16

Thank you. And that was all the questions. Just a sec. [indiscernible]. Could you give us an update on your factory automation project?

Kari Krogstad

Executives
#17

Yes. So we have mentioned that one of the projects that we're working on has been to, well, redesign our probes and making them possible to automate. And that part of the project has come to, well, almost a conclusion, and we are in the phase of sort of looking into various options on how to actually move forward with that automation. So I can't give very specific information about that, but this is a very important and critical project for us. We want to make sure that we have really a future-proof production process that not only provides improved COGS levels for us, but are securing the high volumes that we will be needing to supply the market with when we are fulfilling our growth objectives. So yes, it's moving forward, and we will give more information when it's becoming more concrete.

Espen Bjorsnos

Attendees
#18

Then we are through. Thank you.

Thomas Jakobsen

Executives
#19

Thank you.

Kari Krogstad

Executives
#20

Thank you very much, and we look forward to the next encounter. Thank you.

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