Medpace Holdings, Inc. (MEDP) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
July 23, 2026
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Operator
operatorGood day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Medpace Second Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this call is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference call, David Re, Medpace's Director of Investor Relations. You may begin.
Unknown Executive
executiveGood morning, and thank you for joining Medpace's Second Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call. Also on the call today is our CEO, August Troendle; and our CFO, Kevin Brady. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that our remarks and responses to your questions during this teleconference may include forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements involve inherent assumptions with known and unknown risks and uncertainties as well as other important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from our current expectations. These factors are discussed in our Form 10-K and other filings with the SEC. Please note that we assume no obligation to update forward-looking statements even if estimates change. Accordingly, you should not rely on any of today's forward-looking statements as representing our views as of any date after today. During this call, we will also be referring to certain non-GAAP financial measures. These non-GAAP measures are not superior to or a replacement for the comparable GAAP measures, but we believe these measures help investors gain a more complete understanding of results. A reconciliation of such non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures is available in the earnings press release and earnings call presentation slides provided in connection with today's call. The slides are available in the Investor Relations section of our website at investor.medpace.com. With that, I would now like to turn the call over to August Troendle.
Unknown Analyst
analystGood day, everyone. The business environment is strong in Q2 2026. Cancellations were well behaved and supported a record quarter for net bookings. RFPs were up sequentially and year-over-year generating high-quality opportunities. Initial award notifications remained solid although they declined sequentially from a very strong Q1. Overall, the environment remains constructive into July, and we are making good progress in positioning the business for 2027. Kevin will now review our financial results from Q2.
Kevin Brady
executiveThank you, and good morning to everyone listening in. Revenue was $707.3 million in the second quarter of 2026. This represented a year-over-year increase of 17.2%. Revenue for the 6 months ended June 30, 2026, was $1.41 billion and increased 21.7%. EBITDA of $153.4 million increased 17.6% compared to $130.5 million in the second quarter of 2025. The year-to-date EBITDA was $302.8 million and increased 21.5% from the comparable prior year period. EBITDA margin for the second quarter was 21.7%, compared to 21.6% in the prior year period. Year-to-date EBITDA margin of 21.4% was flat compared to the prior year period as the impact of higher reimbursable costs was offset primarily by lower employee-related costs. . In the second quarter of 2026, net income of $121.4 million increased 34.5% and compared to net income of $90.3 million in the second quarter of 2025. Net income growth above EBITDA growth was primarily driven by a lower effective tax rate and higher interest income compared to the prior year period. Year-to-date net income was $245.2 million compared to $204.9 million in the comparable prior year period, which represents a 19.7% increase. Net income per diluted share for the quarter was $4.25 compared to $3.10 in the prior year period. Year-to-date net income per diluted share was $8.53 compared to net income per diluted share of $6.79 in the comparable prior year period. Net new business awards entering backlog in the second quarter increased 28.2% from the prior year to $795.7 million, resulting in a 1.13 net book-to-bill. Ending backlog as of June 30, 2026, is approximately $3 billion an increase of 4.9% from the prior year. We project that approximately $1.96 billion of backlog will convert to revenue in the next 12 months. Backlog conversion in the second quarter was 24.1% of beginning backlog. Regarding customer concentration, our top 5 and top 10 customers represent roughly 31% and 40%, respectively, of our last 12 months' revenue. In the second quarter, we generated $162 million in cash flow from operating activities and our net day sales outstanding was negative 59.6 days. During the second quarter, we repurchased approximately 706,000 shares for $294.7 million. At June 30, 2026, we had $527 million remaining under our share repurchase authorization program. Cash ended the quarter at $502.7 million. Moving now to our updated guidance for 2026. I Full year 2026 total revenue is now expected in the range of $2.805 billion to $2.885 billion, representing growth of 10.9% to 14% over 2025 total revenue of $2.53 billion. Our 2026 EBITDA is now expected in the range of $618 million to $642 million, representing growth of 10.8% to 15.1% and compared to EBITDA of $557.7 million in 2025. We forecast 2026 net income in the range of $494 million to $514 million. This guidance assumes a full year 2026 effective tax rate of 19% to 19.5%. Interest income of $21.1 million and additional share repurchases assumed in our guidance. Earnings per diluted share is now expected to be in the range of $17.25 to $17.95. Guidance is based on foreign exchange rates as of June 30, 2026. With that, I will turn the call back over to the operator so we can take your questions.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Charles Rhyee of TD Cowen.
Charles Rhyee
analystI wanted to ask, obviously, a lot of the growth that we've seen over the last year has been really driven by metabolic mix. And at the same time, it looks like our concentration of top customers, particularly top 5 has increased. Can you give us a sense on -- are the 2 related in such that maybe a lot of the metabolic work you're doing is coming from a couple of large clients? And can you give us a sense on sort of what visibility you have of that going forward? And I guess the question is, does the mix within your bookings and backlog look similar to what your current revenue mix? Just trying to get a sense how long you could expect this kind of mix persistent, particularly on the metabolic side? Or does that kind of roll off at some point? And maybe any sense on timing of would that be?
August Troendle
executiveSure. This is August. The top 5 growth has been driven quite a bit by the metabolically. So the answer to that is yes. There are some large programs among that top 5 that are a good part of that growth in the group. And as to timing of that more recently, this year, the last couple of quarters, I think that oncology has come back quite a bit in terms of our -- both our award notifications. So the earliest part of kind of the pipeline for awards and the backlog recognition. So our bookings in -- particularly in this last quarter, we're very strong in oncology represented over half of our overall bookings and our award notifications. So that's -- and metabolic, cardiometabolic has kind of dropped off quite a bit in terms of new award notifications. . So I think we are seeing kind of a shift back towards more historical averages. I don't know if we'll get back to where we were 2 years ago in terms of percent of -- but I think oncology will we take its position move up a few percent in our mix, et cetera. I would expect for the next year or so that the kind of head back toward that kind of prior mix. So yes, the metabolic is kind of some of the very large programs are kind of reducing and sort of the new opportunities are not as great as a year ago.
Charles Rhyee
analystGreat. And maybe just a follow-up then, maybe, Kevin, just from a mom perspective then, should we think back to maybe 2 years ago, we the backlog conversion rate? And I would assume that conversion rate would just fall naturally because of the mix because the oncology trials are longer in duration?
Kevin Brady
executiveYes. I mean, Charles, as you know, we don't guide to the burn rate. And so we've got to kind of see how those programs where we -- we've been awarded the work from a notification standpoint, how those progress into awards the rest of this year, and we'll have more color on what 2027 will look like, possibly next quarter, but certainly in the February call.
August Troendle
executiveBut I would challenge a very premise that the metabolic programs are driving the conversion rate up. I don't think that is necessarily the dynamic. If I have had an influence, but that is not the primary driver of the increased conversion rate. Remember, we do block backlog greater than 3 years. And in fact, the average duration of backlog across programs is much lower based upon interim analyses or steps that we limit backlog recognition until we get certainty around that, and that is very prevalent among many of the non-metabolic programs that in oncology. So the fact that you think that metabolic has a faster burn rate that can be true, but it's not overwhelmingly apparent. I don't think that's the biggest driver of the -- that's going to cause a normalization of our conversion.
Charles Rhyee
analystI'm sorry, can you just clarify the ages, like what is the change that allows other -- but my understanding of duration was the way backlog converts is length of trials and where recognition happens, but you're saying that with interim analysis even in, let's say, an oncology trial that...
August Troendle
executiveWe might only have 1 year of backlog for that. The program might be 5 years plan to go, but we only have 1 year of backlog in there because -- there is another stage looking at before they do the expansion before there's some increase in the program, and we won't put any of the backlog beyond that point until we get to it and there's a favorable decision.
Charles Rhyee
analystI see. Okay. That's really helpful. I appreciate the comments.
Operator
operatorAnd our next question comes from Michael Cherny of Leerink Partners.
Michael Cherny
analystVery nice job on the bookings. As you think about the mix that you saw, anything to call out relative to stability of the bookings in terms of pricing, in terms of competition? And what are you seeing in terms of any potential changes, adjustments for your system competition relative to the overall market health with your pro biotech customers?
August Troendle
executiveNo, I don't think the market has changed and it's gotten stronger over the last few quarters. You had a we had a pretty strong, and I would say, pretty strong because I didn't want to say just got qualified strong business environment in the prior quarter, because these cancellations. Still, we continue to see clients that are -- we're looking for funding or having problems, et cetera. And a high level of cancellations this quarter this very last quarter, Q2 cancellations came down quite a bit. The business environment continued strong. New opportunities look good. And I don't really see a competitive dynamics or anything like I said, that the profiles moved more back towards oncology programs being the largest -- in fact, the majority of opportunities as opposed to sort of a metabolic drivers of a year or so ago. But otherwise, I think things are pretty stable. .
Michael Cherny
analystAnd just quickly on the cancellation side. I know you don't guide to cancellations, but -- and I know they can be volatile quarter-to-quarter, but do you feel going forward like cancellations should be at least in a better place versus what seemingly could have been an outlier in 1 quarter, in 1Q?
August Troendle
executiveCancellations are completely beyond my capability to even -- it's not like we have any of these past year have a situation where we had a very high risk programs. And we thought, oh, there could be guide cancellations and so enough they were -- we just have no idea. I mean, there's not been that kind of insight into future cancellations. And I don't anticipate that there will be going forward. I mean, cancellations just come up. I say we are very careful about gating our backlog by having any sort of interim look or analysis or thing that might -- a regulatory decision that might influence the remainder of the program we won't put in backlog beyond that point. We'll wait for that to happen. And so the cancellations that we have are completely unanticipated and out of the blue sky. So I can't say it. But what I can say is that the business environment is good. Our pipeline of stuff, including in the kind of pre-backlog that have been awarded programs is very strong. And I would anticipate that our gross bookings, which we do have reasonable insight into, are going to scale in the next second half are going to ramp up. And I think that independent of where cancellations are, that should be scaling in our ramping up in our net bookings. But I say that if cancellations are in any kind of reasonable range, but there's always possible cancellation spiked to unusual level.
Operator
operatorThank you. And our next question comes from Ann Hynes of Mizuho.
Ann Hynes
analystI know your business, you do a little bit of Phase 1, but Phase II and III. And there's been some increased investor concern that may be phased to is hitting a wall, maybe some things moving to China. I don't know if that's the case for you, just given your biotech mix. But maybe if you can just discuss gross bookings trends in Phase I versus Phase -- I mean, I'm sorry, Phase II versus Phase III, that would be great.
August Troendle
executiveYes. I think if we look at kind of the numbers, maybe Phase I has increased some relative to Phase II, Phase III has been pretty stable. But -- and of course, that Phase I is driven largely by oncology programs. And so I don't know that, that's not just kind of move towards a very heavy oncology. I haven't tried to analyze that too greatly in terms of where that's going, but I don't really see a shift of things to China greatly for at least the programs we're chasing. So I don't know that I see that dynamic. But...
Ann Hynes
analystGreat. And I know the past couple of quarters, I believe you said gross margins was good, but maybe a little bit below your expectations. Was this quarter was gross working is actually in line or better than what you expected heading into the quarter?
August Troendle
executiveYes. I mean that kind of is set up, gross bookings are going to be determined by pre-backlog cancellations from the past. We did have high cancellations, but we've had an improving business environment. And as I said, 4 weeks had been saying the last few quarters -- 3 quarters or so the business environment is pretty good. It looks actually, I would say, very good except that we keep having cancellations and that is part of the business environment. And it's -- and there has been still a number of clients that were challenged financially. So I don't know.
Operator
operatorThank you. And our next question comes from Jailendra Singh of Truth Securities.
Jailendra Singh
analystCongrats on a good quarter. Just want to go back to cancellation comment, , I was wondering if you can put Q2 trends in some perspective. Is it fair to say that cancellations have improved back levels seen in Q3 of last year or even better or worse, just to confirm that. And also to confirm that cancellations improving both backlog and fee backlog.
August Troendle
executiveYes. I guess cancellations were actually in a pretty good range this quarter. In fact, if you look at the book -- net bookings, a bigger driver of the net bookings increase from last quarter was due to reduced cancellations rather than kind of gross book okay? So you could you look at it that way. I think second half, we're going to see more just gross bookings ramping up quite a bit. So this quarter was helped along quite a bit by well, substantial drop from what had been a kind of elevated cancellation rate. So it's come down nicely, not to unusually low level, but a very good level, let's say. And even in this quarter, cancellations and AIS were very well behaved also. So that also helps towards ramping in gross bookings going forward in the second half. So across the board, as cancellations were down, they were in a nice range. And we're -- more than half of the driver of, I would say, of the net bookings growth from the prior quarter from Q1. Is that the answer?
Jailendra Singh
analystYes, it helps. And then my follow-up, last quarter, you did call out implementing initiatives to improve win rates. Can you provide any update on that you started to see the impact of those initiatives? And if any color, they can file around what are these initiatives related to? Is it commercial execution, positioning quality? Just give us more color like if that's having an impact on your wins here. Yes. I brought that up to say that we had recognized our win rate last year. largely was less than it had been in prior years. We were making some changes. We did make changes. In fact, around -- and late last year, and maybe a little bit in the first quarter, but they were really done last year. And so they've been implemented and are in place. And I think we're possible influence on our very strong win rate in Q1. And so has come back. I don't want to go into the details. I just wanted to acknowledge -- recognize that we hadn't won same percentage of programs that we had historically in 2025, and we're implementing some changes, but I don't want to go into just how those competitive changes we're rolling out.
Operator
operatorAnd our next question comes from Jared Haase from William Blair.
Christine Rains
analystIt's Christine Rains on for Jared. So we realized the majority of the work that you booked today will not burn until at least 2 -- given the volatility of recent hoping you can give some color on what you're expecting for bookings growth cadence in the back half of the year. And really, if you expect 2Q net bookings to be a higher watermark or if we could see sequential acceleration as we move throughout the year.
August Troendle
executiveI'm sorry, a little bit shrink there. it sounds like you're asking about how the bookings are going to go in the second half towards 2016?
Christine Rains
analystYes. No, I apologize. Just hoping to get some color on really if 2Q is expected to be the high watermark for bookings here if we really to see an acceleration as we move throughout the year in terms of not booking.
August Troendle
executiveNo, no. In response to the last few questions, I said that we expect a ramp in bookings I expect a ramp in gross bookings. I would expect that to translate into a ramp in net bookings, but cancellations are always a wild guard, but that was my commentary on second half.
Christine Rains
analystPerfect. And then hoping you can give a little bit more color on RFPs in terms of magnitude of sequential and year-over-year growth? And on bookings quality as well? And then a similar question on magnitude of initial awards declined sequentially and obvious stock it was up year-over-year.
August Troendle
executiveYes. So booking -- so were up meaningfully. Certainly, on a sequential basis, RFPs were up substantially. -- and the quality has been good and improved. We see a lot of clients that have had recent funding. I think the big thing is funding has been a lot broader rather than just a few companies getting quite a bit more money. It's quite a bit of broader -- we're seeing more opportunities with recent funding and moving forward with the program. So I think the business environment is in good shape. And I think the numbers have increased. I don't like paying a lot of attention to the numbers. They are substantially year-over-year. They were up also sequentially by a reasonable amount. But again, quality is more important and I think the quality has been there and is good. Another question was?
Christine Rains
analystNo, it was just on initial awards in terms of -- they seemed strong, but declined sequentially in the commentary. So just curious, one, if this bucket was up on a year-over-year basis? And then just any commentary on the magnitude sequentially?
August Troendle
executiveYes. Sorry, I don't have any other comments on it. Really, there were -- we had a very strong Q1. We had a Q2 that they were down. They were on a lower side of kind of it but not unusually low. I don't know what to say about that. These are things that do bounce around. We look at it over a longer period of time because single large programs often drive actual number there, whether you win or miss that 1 or 2 very large programs. So it's not like a metric that can be looked on an individual quarter. But overall, the overall new awards were in a good range, because the business environment was very strong. And even though maybe there were some very margins that we lost and made the actual percent fantastic, overall awards were good. .
Operator
operatorAnd our next question comes from David Windley of Jefferies.
David Windley
analystAugust, I wanted to try to understand hearing you on the contingency backlog considerations that you had mentioned to me recently mentioned again this morning and how influential they are. So I guess I'll spin the question to the backlog burn has ramped over a couple of years kind of making new highs. It sounds like you don't -- you would not attribute that to the metabolic mix to what do you attribute, I guess, is my basic question. What are the various factors that contribute to that burn rate being as high as it is?
August Troendle
executiveWell, I think given the environment with high cancellations that we were in, we did -- I think we doubled looking at programs for decision points and what -- and I think they may have not been as broadly implemented what -- there's a lot of gray area in terms of what is a decision point. What is -- is this look for power? Is that something that could influence their continuation of the program? Is this there's a lot of different factors that could -- and we were in a very high cancellation environment. We wanted to be we didn't want large reductions in backlog hitting us. And so I think that was it. I think that just overall, the awards that were slower did cause a change in the average profile of the program. And then metabolic, I'm not denying that it has had some effect. I just don't think it is overwhelming driver that will be if metabolic becomes less that -- because metabolic conversion isn't naturally a lot faster in our systems. I think that it can be if there is a decision point, that's a very large program. I mean I'm not saying there couldn't be situations where metabolic might be driver, but almost any other program also could be. So I just don't think that, that is, oh, yes, metabolic is much faster burning, and therefore, that is the driver of our conversion rate. I don't think it has been.
David Windley
analystDid the -- it sounds like you kind of went through a logically a backlog recheck as a result of what the environment was signaling to you.
August Troendle
executiveI don't want to say that we removed any from backlog, because we didn't take anything out of backlog. We just started looking at, should we put this into backlog when we have this decision point in a year from now that in the past, you might have said, well, it's -- that's just an adjustment and they're not really -- it isn't really an interim look for a decision about continuing the trial.
David Windley
analystDo you have -- on this point, do you have any meaningful amount of revenue where, say, a decision point or some factor would cause value to kind of be added to backlog and go right into revenue in the same quarter like really like a decision point happens and that drops into revenue?
August Troendle
executiveYes. Yes, sure. I mean that's the -- that is kind of the profile of an interim analysis to decide whether it's got the trial -- and if it continues, it might be that next quarter's revenue could be significant -- could be influenced to -- obviously, any 1 program is not going to a big driver of a quarter, but it could be in the next quarter right away.
David Windley
analystYes. Last question for me. On the labor side, your head count growth did tick up a little bit. I wondered how you would assess where you stand on resources relative to the demand that you're seeing matriculate towards bookings. And within that, has the composition of your labor change geographically, you in past years talked about beginning to do some offshoring or between full-time equivalents and contractors as you maybe try to manage costs?
August Troendle
executiveYes. I think we're in a good place. That's been substantially helped by the low turnover that we've had, which has continued through Q2, very low turnover on historical terms. And we do expect high single-digit growth in employees this year. And I suspect we'll continue that next year. So I think we're in a good space. Employee growth has been predominantly U.S. and then also Asia Pac and I've had a chunk of that in India, which does kind of represent a positioning for cost. But the biggest growth has been U.S. And as I think I've mentioned previously, a lot of things have kind of moved back towards U.S. in terms of growth. but there has been some repositioning too.
Operator
operatorThank you. our next question comes from Ryan Halsted of RBC Capital Markets.
Ryan Halsted
analystJust going back to the net new awards growth. My question is, are you able to quantify, I guess, or just size, how much of the new awards growth came from converting your pre-backlog awards from last year into awards this year? And how much of it was from this improvement in the business environment, so kind of organic new awards this year?
August Troendle
executiveYes. So in Q2, most of the backlog recognition would have been from award notifications to prior year. So Q1 would not have influenced greatly to Q2 backlog awards.
Ryan Halsted
analystGot it. Okay. And then in terms of the improving business environment, where are you seeing that? Is that sort of in the pre-award backlog?
August Troendle
executiveYes, and in the cancellations. So -- and even Q4 was I think things have improved quite a bit. It's cancellations that we're driving sort of the backlog bookings decrease and also we are very high in our pre backlog, reducing our potential for future conversions. But that has -- in Q2 was very; was in a very good place.
Ryan Halsted
analystGot it. Okay. And then last 1 for me. Just -- you had previously guided to direct service costs at, I don't know, 41%, 42% of revenue. which I think implies a sequential decrease. Just curious if that continues to be the case if you are expecting some decline in direct service costs?
Kevin Brady
executiveYes. And that commentary is related to the reimbursable component of direct costs, right? And that's why I do expect some further decline in the back half of the year. And I would say it's a range of 41% to 42% of revenue. Q3, Q4 is kind of what we're modeling right now.
Operator
operatorThank you. And our next question comes from Luke Sergott of Barclays.
Unknown Analyst
analystThis is Jake on for Luke. Thanks for the question. For the last couple of years, you saw a sequential step down in SG&A from 1Q to 2Q. And then this quarter, it ticked up slightly. So I know you called out benefiting from lower employer-related costs through the last couple of quarters. But what are the puts and takes there going forward around the margin step up through the year.
Kevin Brady
executiveYes. I mean you really -- it's -- a lot of the impact that we see from Q1 to Q2 or Q4 to Q1 is related to the annual merit cycles depending on what happens with the company's equity programs that can influence it, both of which have already occurred this year. And so you'll kind of start to see more of an influence on head count increases as we continue in the back half of the year, but at a slower pace than revenue. And so you'll see a little bit of what you're saying in that margin expansion in the back half of this year.
Operator
operatorThank you. and our next question comes from Eric Coldwell of Baird.
Eric Coldwell
analystI just wanted to circle back first to David's questions and on the backlog burn rate. I think I get the gist of what you're saying, just to be very clear, your long-term average backlog burn rate up until the beginning of '25 was about 18%. Now you're at 24%. You're saying metabolic was not the main driver. It sounds like you're saying the main driver was that you tighten the screws, I guess, if you will, tighten the screws on your policies around what you put into backlog, so effectively changed SOPs on what went in there. . And you were more restrictive on gating factors. I just want to clarify that, that was, in fact, the main driver of this increase being 30%, 35% above normal and backlog burn. And if that was the case, is your expectation that backlog burn stays at 24% moving forward? Or now that the environment is improving, are you perhaps going to go back to a more traditional process in terms of where you get or don't get awards when they do or do not become bookings?
August Troendle
executiveYes. So yes, thanks, Eric. Let me clarify. I don't think that metabolic is an overwhelming driver of the difference. And I'm not saying that metabolic programs might have been contributed, but I think it's a bigger part was the policy implementation really enhanced. It was the same policy that was written. So we didn't change the SOP. It's just a matter if we were more maybe attuned to looking for those type of issues. And I don't think it isn't a natural part of metabolic programs. I'm not saying that weren't -- there wasn't a metabolic program that also had a meaningful contribution to that because of the same issue was there of gating rather than faster burn -- metabolic programs are not faster burning, driving our high conversion rate. And to a large extent, they made to some extent, but -- but I really think there's 3 components. Maybe metabolic is a little bit faster burning average. We had the implementation of our policy given the cancellations that were going on. And I think the overall dynamics of awards and size of backlog and AIS and all the rest of it, targeting dynamics in terms of the average age of program. Okay? So I think there was a number of drivers of this. And I don't think that if metabolic goes to 0 or doubles in our backlog, that that's going to have a big influence on our conversion rate, okay? So that's the whether metabolic comes down or not, I don't think that is the driver of reducing conversion rate overwhelming. I don't think that's going to be a big change between 18 and 24. All that said, I would expect that our conversion rate does tend to drop down some over time as we have new awards and more programs and all the rest of it and hopefully get into a lower cancellation environment.
Eric Coldwell
analystOkay. And then on the pass-throughs, the last question. You capsid 41%, 42% of mix in the second half. I think that is perhaps higher, maybe Q1 and Q2 were a little higher than you were thinking. Is that a fair statement that they have run at a slightly faster clip this year than you were anticipating. Is that fair?
Kevin Brady
executiveYes, that's fair. I did anticipate it coming down a little bit more in the first and second quarter. But -- and as I mentioned in the second quarter, I thought it would be for the year. On the higher end, closer to 42% and might be just north of even that watermark.
Eric Coldwell
analystAnd then the current generation of bookings, the $800 million here in Q2, any sense on what the profile of that looks like with pass-through mix? If you just took that bucket individually, I'm thinking that perhaps with mix shifting back towards oncology, the pass-through mix of that bucket, maybe the newer generation buckets of awards could be lower. So we would see a reduction in pass-through mix in '27 if that were the case, but maybe -- maybe that's not the right thought process.
Kevin Brady
executiveYes. I mean it certainly can be. I mean I would say that the mix of programs going into backlog -- is it significantly different on a percentage basis, maybe it's a little bit lower, but I think what's more indicative of what happens in 2027 is just the programs that end up burning revenue and where they are in their lifecycles. We've said before that studies that are later in their life cycle have a tendency to even burn a bit more reimbursable pass-throughs. And so it's just a combination of all the portfolio and how things are going to progress across that portfolio. It's just -- it's not just what you're putting in the backlog.
Eric Coldwell
analystGot you. And then -- last 1 for me. I was hoping -- sorry if I missed this, but did you provide an update on pre-backlog -- was it down flat quarter-over-quarter. I think last quarter, you said it was around the size of backlog, but maybe you could provide some more color on where that stands exiting Q2?
August Troendle
executiveYes. I don't want to get into doing that. It is larger than backlog, yes it is growing. It has gone faster than backlog over the last year. But I don't want to get into like percent and how much larger or what kind of stuff. .
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] And our next question comes from Justin Bowers of Deutsche Bank.
Justin Bowers
analystI have a few questions, but I just wanted to continue with Eric's line of questioning and just to clarify a couple of things on the burn rate. So August, it sounds like your statement on the burn rate is using coming down in the future would be driven more by fewer cancellations -- and I guess that would mean greater bookings showing up in the quarter versus a change in how you're running the business or study mix. Is that the takeaway that you want us to have.
August Troendle
executiveI think the average age of projects and the booking characteristics, what was more recently put into backlog does have an influence on the conversion rate. And I think that will change over time. I think that -- and that would put pressure downward on the conversion rate. Again, I don't want to try to project the conversion rate. I don't know that it's going to come down. I don't know how fast it would come down as it did, but I just think that a lot of the increase over time has been related to the average age of projects and kind of the dynamics of what's coming in and off of backlog and that, that would -- I would expect a more -- I would do at least revert towards our historical norms. That is -- 24% is kind of high relative to historical values. And so I would think that, that is going to come down. But not making a statement on -- we've projected a decrease through any kind of formal analysis. Okay.
Justin Bowers
analystUnderstood. And then just on the environment. This is a question that's been asked amongst some of your peers as well. You probably have line of sight into this better than anymore, just given the customers that you serve. But with the increase in funding that we're seeing now and the wider dispersion out there, when -- how should we be thinking about the timeline of when that actually shows up either as awards and/or in your backlog? Is there a time frame that you can help us think about? And then also just in general, how is the cadence of decision-making right now versus maybe 12 months ago?
August Troendle
executiveYes. The timing of when biotech spend their money, look, I'm not the person to talk to, but I don't know. I don't have a good feeling. A lot of our clients are raising money while they're getting bids from us. So it's an immediate kind of -- but I just -- I don't know, overall. So I don't really have a good insight into that.
Justin Bowers
analystOkay. And any change in the trajectory of decision-making time lines or competitive landscape?
August Troendle
executiveYes, sorry. No. I mean we're seeing more clients that come with recent funding and able to move forward in programs. We have seen better funding for things. So yes, the trajectory has been better and the opportunities moving along nicely. There's been it isn't like a lot of things are hung up now or things -- so I think trajectory has improved with the funding environment.
Operator
operatorI'm showing no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn it back to David Grue for closing remarks.
Unknown Executive
executiveThank you for joining us on today's call and for your interest in Medpace. We look forward to speaking with you again on our third quarter 2026 earnings call.
Operator
operatorThis concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating, and you may now disconnect.
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