Melexis NV (MELE) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
February 1, 2023
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorGood day, and welcome to the Melexis Full Year 2022 Results Conference Call. This meeting is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to hand the call over to Mr. Marc Biron, CEO. Please go ahead, sir.
Marc Biron
executiveThank you. Hello, everyone. Welcome to the earnings call related to our Q4 and full year results. Today, we have 2 speakers: Karen Van Griensven, our CFO; and myself. Let's cover some top line and financial background first, after which Karen and myself will be happy to answer any questions you may have. Our revenue in 2022 has increased by 30% compared to 2021. This increase was supported by the dollar effect, the price inflation, the improved product mix, the cap sales increase and the content growth. Our growth in '22 was heavily constrained by the supply, but it was also clearly driven by the car electrification as well as by a significant increase in both the chassis and safety applications. Those trends are also visible in the outperforming product line. First of all, the revenue of the current sensor product line has doubled in '22, thanks to high demand in inverter, on-board charging, DC/DC converter applications. The sales for the embedded drivers, which are supporting thermal management in electric vehicle, has also increased by almost 50% in '22. And the increase of the sensor content in safety application has contributed to the highest growth in absolute value of our magnetic sensors. We have launched 16 new products in '22, and those launch also confirm those trends. Just as an example, we have launched embedded drivers, which are used to position the activator of the thermal valve. And therefore, those embedded drivers are key elements to increase the range of electric vehicles. We have also launched a current sensor, which is used for the battery monitoring of the electric vehicle. And we have launched multiple magnetic position sensors that are used in steer-by-wire system, but also in the thermal valve of the electric vehicle. For 2023, we anticipate the continuation of supply chain constraints for the innovative applications that are used in electric cars and also high-end cars, while for the other application, demand and supply are moving to a healthier balance. I'm now giving the floor to Karen for more financial results.
Karen Van Griensven
executiveThank you, Marc. So hello, everybody, a bit on the financials. So the sales was already mentioned, a 30% increase. We reached EUR 836 million. Then there was an impact of 5%, a positive impact because of the strength of the U.S. dollar. The growth result was EUR 374.7 million or 44.8% of sales, which is an increase of 37% compared to 2021. R&D expenses were 10.8% of sales, G&A was at 4.9% of sales and selling was at 2% of sales. The operating margin, our results was EUR 226.5 million or 27.1% of sales, an increase of 53% compared to EUR 148.4 million in 2021. The net result was EUR 197.2 million or EUR 4.88 per share, an increase of 50% compared to EUR 131.1 million or EUR 3.25 per share in 2021. The Board of Directors also approved a proposal to the Annual Shareholders' Meeting to pay out over the result of 2022, a total dividend of EUR 3.50 gross per share. This amount contains an interim dividend of EUR 1.3 per share, which was paid in October '22, and the final dividend of EUR 2.2 per share, which will be payable after approval of the Annual Shareholders' Meeting. We'll go to the outlook. So Melexis expects sales in the first quarter of '23 to be in the range of EUR 225 million to EUR 230 million. For the full year '23, Melexis expects a sales increase between 11% and 16% with a gross profit margin around 45% and an operating margin around 26% at the midpoint of the sales guidance, all taking into account a euro/U.S. dollar exchange rate of 1.08. For the full year 2023, Melexis expects CapEx to be around EUR 70 million. So I would like to now open the Q&A session. So operator, please go ahead.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Francois-Xavier Bouvignies from UBS.
Francois-Xavier Bouvignies
analystI have a couple of questions, if I may. The first one is maybe coming back to your outlook. I mean, if we look at your Q1 guidance, it implies 24% growth year-over-year. And I mean, your full year is on 11% to 16% year-over-year. So I was wondering it would imply significant slowdown or even no growth in the second half of the year. So I mean, are you being conservative here or in light of the macro environment? Or is it something that you see and the slowdown? And any drivers you could provide for this implied slowdown would be helpful.
Marc Biron
executiveYes, thank you for the question. I think the -- yes, we are more cautious by the supply aspect because, I mean, all the -- or the vast majority of the growth is coming for innovative products or for innovative application, electrification, ADAS and also premiumization. And yes, those new products needs to ramp up, and it's why we are a bit cautious on the supply aspect for the full year.
Francois-Xavier Bouvignies
analystHow much supply do you have in volume term? I mean do you get from your foundry partners? Supply incremental...
Marc Biron
executiveCan you repeat the question?
Francois-Xavier Bouvignies
analystWhat is your supply incremental that you get from your partners? How much you can increase your capacity in '23 versus 2022?
Marc Biron
executiveOut of the -- from 11% to 16% increase that we have guided, it's mainly constrained by the supply.
Francois-Xavier Bouvignies
analystSo it's mainly volume here...
Karen Van Griensven
executiveYes, it's difficult because any hiccup in the supply will have immediate effect on Melexis. It's very difficult, therefore, to predict already now what the supply will be.
Marc Biron
executiveYes. And I repeat, we are ramping up those new applications, those new products. And we know that the ramp-up is always a bit sensitive. That's why we want to be cautious.
Francois-Xavier Bouvignies
analystSo you don't see any inventory impact or demand-driven impact in the second half of the year. So it's really only supply that would justify the H2 implied outlook, if you know what I mean.
Marc Biron
executiveYes, we don't see indeed -- for those innovative applications, we don't see demand reduction.
Francois-Xavier Bouvignies
analystOkay. The second question is on current sensors. I mean you have been talking about that for a while now. Can you help us understand how much is it as a percentage of your revenues, current sensors at the moment?
Marc Biron
executiveYes, as I mentioned verbally, it has doubled if we compare '21 and '22. And it was indeed a small product line at the beginning, and now the product line is growing. And it's, I would say, in the average of other product lines, but we don't give exact number, but it's for sure not a small product line anymore.
Francois-Xavier Bouvignies
analystSo is it like mid-single-digit percentage, high single-digit percentage of revenues, low single-digit still? Just trying to understand because it's obviously a very important driver for your growth. So I understand how big it is. So that's where we can have more visibility on this new product line.
Karen Van Griensven
executiveWell, again, we don't give exact numbers on this. But yes, actually, overall, the -- yes, the electrification products is a substantial part, but then that's more than current alone. So there, we speak of a very important portion already of Melexis. But again, we don't want to give -- and then I'm talking of the motor drivers and other application like X, Y, Y-ish type of applications. If you take this into account, you come at least 30% of our sales.
Francois-Xavier Bouvignies
analystOkay. Great. And maybe last one for me, if I may. On the OpEx, OpEx has been quite high this quarter. I mean is it a new run rate or any one-off in this OpEx? Just trying to model for the year.
Karen Van Griensven
executiveYes, there are -- yes, there is the wage inflation that is -- or inflation in general, but certainly wage inflation that had the full impact for the first time in Q4. There is also a bit -- there are a few exceptional items as well. So it could be that Q1 is again a bit lower. But on the other hand, yes, we want to do -- we plan to do volume hiring for R&D. So yes, in that respect, throughout the year, we expect R&D as we managed to execute. So it's indeed to further go up versus Q4 as a percentage of sales. And -- but at the beginning of the year, it might still be a bit lower.
Operator
operatorAnd our next question comes from Marc Hesselink from ING.
Marc Hesselink
analystYes. First question, the ICs per car for Melexis, stable at 18. Can you maybe explain a little bit what's behind there? Is that the shift in maybe a little bit less premium cars? The shift was -- maybe linked to that, how many ICs does Melexis have in electrical vehicle?
Marc Biron
executiveYes. In fact, last year, it was a bit less than 18. It has been rounded up to 18. This year is a bit more than 18, and we keep it why we mentioned 18 plus because we have almost 1 IC per car more versus last year. In fact, indeed, our revenue has grown by -- a growth by 30%. But those 30% were due to some dollar effects on price inflation. We have improved the product mix, thanks to the allocation. And then in terms of volume, the cash sales volume has increased and our content growth has increased. It's why out of those 30%, only part of it is really a volume growth or content growth, and this is corresponding to a bit less than IC per car.
Marc Hesselink
analystAnd the element of -- looking forward on electric vehicles, are you above that 18-plus level? Or is it probably similar?
Marc Biron
executiveI would say in general, yes, because in the electric vehicle, there is the electrification aspect of the vehicle, but also those vehicles come with a much modern platform. And the much modern platform also contain much more comfort and safety application with a lot of electronic. Then I would say, in total, the electric vehicle is much more than 18 IC per car. If you remember last year or the year before, we mentioned some IC per car for some modern car like the Tesla or the EQS, and we were, yes, 40 plus in such a car. And it is because the electrification is coming with a more modern platform than -- overall, the car is much more modern, meaning with much more electronic.
Marc Hesselink
analystOkay. Then the second question I have is on the long-term agreements of the forecasted revenue growth. How much of that is on those long-term agreements?
Marc Biron
executiveI think we mentioned last time that the long-term agreement was for half of the volume.
Marc Hesselink
analystAnd that's still the case.
Marc Biron
executiveIt's still the case, yes. We -- yes, we still have some -- we have added some long-term agreements recently, but it does not change really the needle. I think, overall, it's 50%.
Marc Hesselink
analystAnd final question. In the growth guidance, sorry to miss this, how much of that is a price component? How much is for raw mat price?
Marc Biron
executiveI would say it's very low double digit.
Operator
operatorWe will now move to our next question from Guy Sips from KBC Securities.
Guy Sips
analystYes, a few questions from my side. First on nonautomotive. Can you give some color on that segment?
Marc Biron
executiveYes, I would say that the situation is similar to the previous quarter. We have 10% of the revenue, which is related to the nonautomotive. And yes, I would say there are 2 reasons why it does not increase. The first reason is linked to the allocation. We have -- during the full '22 , we have always given clarity to the automotive business, meaning that we have, let's say, derived some wafers from nonautomotive to automotive customers. This is one aspect. And the second aspect, which came throughout the end of the year, is indeed we have also seen some reduction of demand for the nonautomotive, which was healthier for us because we have been able to derive even more wafers to the automotive business. And then all in all, the 10% remains stable throughout the year.
Guy Sips
analystAnd as automotive is stable or still growing in a quite difficult climate for other semiconductor segments, do you see new kids on the block are still the usual suspects in the competitive landscape?
Marc Biron
executiveI would say the usual suspect, yes.
Karen Van Griensven
executiveDesign win was very strong in '22, so...
Marc Biron
executiveYes. We have -- already in '21, the design win was very strong, and we were wondering can we beat '21, but we have beat in '21 largely in '22. But it was a very strong design win.
Guy Sips
analystAnd last question is on this trend, like you benefit from electrification at a user experience. Which of these trends do you expect to be more important in the shorter run and which will be more, let's say, for 3 to 5 years out?
Marc Biron
executiveIf we look, let's say, the projection of the growth from -- for the next 5 years, let's say, clearly, the highest growth is coming from the electrification of the car. I think yes, to IHS, for example, expect that between 2022 and 2027, the CAGR will be 28% for the electric vehicle, and this is for sure the highest contributor and then the premiumization is the second one in terms of contribution. And the ADAS, I would say, 5 years ago, the goal was to reach Level 5 in ADAS. But now I think everybody is much more modest. Level 5 is not for the near future, but we see that more and more cars are moving to Level 2 and to Level 3, which is also good for Melexis because to reach Level 2 or Level 3, you need much accurate products. You need also a product with more safety. Sometimes to create the safety, you need also 2 projects in parallel. Then I would say this is the third in terms of contribution.
Operator
operatorAnd our next question comes from Robert Sanders from Deutsche Bank.
Robert Sanders
analystI guess my first question would just be around the Malaysia fab issues that X-FAB experienced. Did that affect you in Q4 or Q1? And would your revenue have been significantly higher? Or was it not that material? And I have a few follow-ups.
Marc Biron
executiveYes. In fact, indeed, you are right. I have -- our supply in Q1 is affected by this problem. And this problem happens, something in October. And given the supply chain lead time, in Q1, we have some supply limitation due to this problem.
Robert Sanders
analystDoes that mean your lead time has got longer?
Marc Biron
executiveNo, no, no, it's not a problem of lead time. It's really a problem of lack of supply.
Robert Sanders
analystI mean lead time for your products in the market, in the channel.
Marc Biron
executiveYes. In a way, yes, because we have received last -- I mean the supply chain was a bit empty at one point in time, then it creates some delay in the overall supply chain.
Robert Sanders
analystOkay. Can you -- just coming back to a previous question regarding the contribution of price to the growth in 2023. I just want to clarify what you meant by -- did you say low double digit? So pricing is up low double digit, very low double digit. Is that what you meant or something else?
Marc Biron
executiveYes, it's indeed around 10%, I meant.
Robert Sanders
analystOkay. So if you're guiding for -- in the teens, then 2/3 is driven by price. Am I interpreting that the correct way, yes?
Marc Biron
executiveYes.
Robert Sanders
analystOkay. So more than half. Okay. And then in terms of LTA enforcement, obviously, there's going to be a challenge going forward when we have this correction in 2024. So X-FAB has been very clear that they will strictly enforce LTAs. How does it feel for you guys in terms of strictly enforcing take-or-pay type terms? Is it a bit more tricky for you guys given that some of your competitors will have better supply than you and will likely start undercutting you? Or is this something that -- and will you enforce these LTAs strictly in 2024?
Marc Biron
executiveYou mean we enforce to our customers or to our...
Robert Sanders
analystYes. With your customers, will you insist on pre-agreed pricing under contract? Or do you think that given that, that's a repeated negotiation that you may have to give ground on some of these pre-agreed terms?
Marc Biron
executiveI think that the LTA is the new reference, meaning that we have indeed LTA with our suppliers. We have LTA with our customers, and this will be the reference in any discussion, I would say, for the next 2 years. And yes, the LTA that we have agreed with our customers are fully synchronized with the LTA that we have agreed with our suppliers, meaning that we have a good balance in between. And we feel comfortable, let's say, on this side.
Robert Sanders
analystLast question, just on current sensors. Who was driving the decision to choose your sensors over another? Is it typically the OEM? Or is it typically Tier 1s like, I don't know, Vitesco or something like that? What is the typical situation that gets you designed in the OEM-led or Tier 1-led?
Marc Biron
executiveI would say we have a mixed situation because, indeed, some OEM want to control directly the IC supplier. Then for some of the OEM, we have a direct contact with them, and they define themselves the current sensors that they need because they want to control the overall electric [ porting ]. We have other case, which is more the traditional case where indeed it's the Tier 1 who designed the current sensor. The modern OEM has a direct contact with Melexis.
Robert Sanders
analystGot it. And there's no role for reference designs from other companies like larger semiconductor companies like ADI or NXP in terms of... .
Marc Biron
executiveNo.
Robert Sanders
analystIt's a separate decision point. Okay.
Operator
operatorOur next question comes from Sandeep Deshpande from JPMorgan.
Sandeep Deshpande
analystI am just trying to understand. I mean you've had 2 consecutive years of 25%, approximately 30% growth. And you're guiding to this year where 2/3 of the growth is coming from price. How was the pricing in the last 2 years? And can this kind of pricing trajectory be sustained?
Marc Biron
executiveYes, for sure, a good and important question. Yes, indeed, we said last year, the price increase was high single digit. This year, it's a bit similar. Yes, I think as a matter of fact, those price increases are linked to investment. I mean the volume -- the overall volume needed for the electronic of the car is increasing. And in order to finance those volume increase, we need to increase the price. And this is -- the main reason of the price increase, there is indeed the inflation, as Karen mentioned. But most important is the need for investment in order to be able to cope with the volume required by the automotive industry.
Sandeep Deshpande
analystBut is this not different from the -- why is this different from the investments you were making in the last 10 years at such, really? I mean when one looks at your spending over the last 10 years, clearly, at the moment, maybe you're spending, say, EUR 70 million. But you were spending EUR 70 million in some years even in, say, 2018, you spend 50 -- average of EUR 50 million before. So it's not a big change in the spending.
Marc Biron
executiveBut there is -- the big change versus, let's say, 5 years ago or 10 years ago is that there is no available capacity. All the capacity is used by...
Karen Van Griensven
executiveAt the fab.
Marc Biron
executiveYes, all the capacity in the fab is used by the industry. And now we need to...
Sandeep Deshpande
analystSo I mean maybe the question to ask is, as the capacity ramps up, we can see -- I mean in terms of the companies, they're getting very strong orders. As the capacity ramps up, will this pricing change? Because I mean, normally, with cyclicality in the semiconductor industry, I mean the industry has held capacity very tightly over the last decade. And now it's spending a lot of money on capacity. Normally, it goes the other way. And does that has a risk to pricing or it doesn't have a risk to pricing?
Marc Biron
executivePerhaps to finish the answer to the previous question, it's not only our investment. It's really also the investment of the overall supply chain of our suppliers. And there is now really a big shortage at the supplier side. This big shortage did not exist 5 years ago. And it's why the investment is key. I mean we cannot move without those investments, and those investments must be financed.
Operator
operatorAnd our next question comes from [ Ben Suru ] from [indiscernible].
Unknown Analyst
analystI wanted to linger for a second on the R&D expenses. They came slightly higher than expected. I was wondering if you could share some insight on where that money is going, what you are cooking up?
Karen Van Griensven
executiveWhat products we are working on? Or -- is that your question?
Unknown Analyst
analystYes, yes. What products are you investing in right now?
Karen Van Griensven
executiveWe have over 10 product lines. It's spread over the product line, but we did make some -- we put attention relatively speaking more on the electrification, the big growth drivers, like, for instance, current sensors proportionately. There, we plan to increase even more than what we do today. So it's an ongoing process. It's not something that was -- that is just in Q4. This will continue over the next quarters with proportionally more going into the high-growth drivers like the -- what Marc already mentioned.
Marc Biron
executiveYes. I mean the current sensors, embedded drivers for the thermal management because thermal management is really key for the electric car, thermal management of the cabin, but -- what is new is the thermal management of the engine or the battery. And we need to heat up the battery in winter, and we need to cool down the battery in summer. And this thermal management requires specific products for Melexis. This is the position sensors and the embedded drivers. And as Karen mentioned, the investments are also related to those thermal management products for the electric car.
Unknown Analyst
analystOkay. And then maybe second and last question from my side. It's on dividend policy, you're paying out more than last year. I was just wondering if this is like a template for years to come, what your policy is on the dividend side.
Karen Van Griensven
executiveWe don't have a written policy, but we have -- but well, we have history. The dividend as the past has shown, we've always paid out a high percentage of the profit to the shareholders. That's what we did now as well. Yes. So with growth in profits, we also increased the dividend basically.
Unknown Analyst
analystOkay. That's very clear.
Marc Biron
executiveYes. It's in line with the profit growth.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] And our next question comes from Michael Roeg from Degroof Petercam.
Michael Roeg
analystYes. First question I have is on your average selling price. It went up by 16%, and about 5% from that is from currency. So that leaves 11% for price mix. Did I hear it correctly that your price increases last year were about 8%, 9%?
Karen Van Griensven
executiveCorrect. And indeed, there is also another component that influences the average selling price, and that is the product mix. When there is supply constraint, you try to maximize sales and profit per wafer. And that's the effect you see there as well. So supply constraint has made us take decisions to rather favor more -- to have more sales per base basically.
Michael Roeg
analystOkay. And you also commented that you shifted some wafer allocation to automotive, which has higher ASPs. What are your plans for 2023 with respect to the wafer allocation, the same mix as last year or will you push even more towards automotive versus the other segments?
Karen Van Griensven
executiveI would say for the moment, we assume more or less the same of the mix.
Marc Biron
executiveYes, yes.
Michael Roeg
analystOkay. Good. And the second question I have is, there's currently a price war going on in electric vehicles in the U.S. and China. And that may be good or bad, it depends on the reason for the price war, if it's because of slowing demand or because of too many factories not being fully utilized, et cetera. But lower prices are generally bad for profits and may give some pushback on pricing. Can you give us your view on what's happening and what kind of feedback you get from your clients in electric vehicles?
Marc Biron
executiveYes. I would say, for the time being and especially for the client with electric vehicle, we discuss much more about allocation and supply than about price. For those kind of products, we still have a supply challenge and not a price challenge.
Michael Roeg
analystOkay. And the reasoning for this price war is this -- the feedback you get on that is that simply to gain market share or to fill idle capacity? Is there anything to say about that?
Marc Biron
executiveNo, I have no proof. I don't have insight.
Michael Roeg
analystOkay. Yes, well, it started only recently. So perhaps next quarter, there will be more insights. Good. That's it from my side.
Operator
operatorAnd we will now take our next question from Robert Sanders from Deutsche Bank.
Robert Sanders
analystSorry, just a quick follow-up. So you're saying you're going to grow 13.5% at the midpoint and pricing is going to grow in the low teens. So your units are not really growing at all despite X-FAB's significant capacity expansion. So what is going on there? That seems -- it doesn't seem to make sense. And given that you've got supply constraint, I mean you're now growing units in line with automotive production. So are you constraining -- I mean, you're basically having to prioritize strategic products over others. I mean to put it another way, what is your unconstrained revenue guide in 2023?
Marc Biron
executiveWe don't -- I mean, yes, it's difficult to disclose this. Yes, for the time being, indeed, we have been a bit cautious, especially on the low end of the guidance because of those supply aspects. But yes, for sure, the order book is much higher than what we have guided.
Karen Van Griensven
executiveYes, we had a mismatch of 20%, 30% in '22. For many of these products, it's still ongoing like that.
Robert Sanders
analystSo sorry, you have a mismatch between demand and supply of 20% to 30% and that continues.
Karen Van Griensven
executiveThat was clearly in '22, the case.
Robert Sanders
analystOkay. So unconstrained demand is 20%, 30% above your ability...
Karen Van Griensven
executiveWell, it's difficult to say because it's -- there is more where it was across the full line in '22. Now some products there, it's very much constrained.
Marc Biron
executiveYes, I think we have some headwinds, and we have some tailwind. The tailwind is what we described, the premiumization, the electrification, the ADAS. Those are all tailwinds. But yes, the headwinds are also what we know in terms of geopolitical aspect, the fact that the world become complex, the fact that the supply is very, very limited and still a big challenge. It's why we believe that the guidance is a good balance between the headwind and the tailwind.
Robert Sanders
analystSo to put it another way, the number of escalation calls you're getting is not less than it was 6 months ago. If anything, it's going up because you are still massively constrained.
Marc Biron
executiveI think for the innovative products, for the innovative application, meaning electrification, comfort and safety, the number of escalation call did not reduce indeed, yes. But as I mentioned verbally, for the other type of application, I think we are moving to a healthier balance between supply and demand.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] As there are no further questions in the queue, I'd like to hand the call back over to Mr. Marc Biron for any additional or closing remarks. Over to you, sir.
Marc Biron
executiveThank you. Thank you for the discussions. I think it's always important to get a good challenging question because it's helped us to stay at the top of the wave. And I'm going to -- or we are going to meet you again in April for the Q1 results. Thank you.
Operator
operatorThank you. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.
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