Menon Bearings Limited (MENONBE.NS) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
January 16, 2026
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Vinay Pandit
attendeeLadies and gentlemen, on behalf of Kaptify Consulting Investor Relations team, I welcome you all to the Q3 and 9 months FY '26 post earnings conference call of Menon Bearings Limited. Today on the call from the management, we have with us Mr. Arun Aradhye, Whole-time Director and CFO; Mr. Aditya Menon, part of the promoter group. As a disclaimer, I would like to inform all of you that this call may contain forward-looking statements, which may involve risks and uncertainties. Also, this is a reminder that this call is being recorded. I would now request the management to detail us about the business performance highlights for the period ended December 2025, the growth perspective and the vision for the coming years. Post which, we will open the floor for Q&A. Over to the management team.
Arun Aradhye
executiveOkay. Thank you. So good afternoon, everyone. Wish you all a very happy and prosperous new year. And also thank you for post earnings call to discuss our performance for the third quarter and 9 months ended on December 2025. I'm pleased to share Q3 FY '26 has been a strong quarter for the company, reflecting healthy demand across key segments and continued improvement in profitability. On a consolidated basis, revenue for the quarter stood at INR 76.9 crores, representing a 32% year-on-year growth. Total income was INR 78.5 crores, also up by 32%. Profitability saw a sharp improvement with profit before tax at INR 12.4 crores, up 69% and PAT at INR 9.3 crores also up 69%. Earnings per share for the quarter increased to INR 1.65 compared to INR 0.98 last year. For the 9 months period, consolidated revenue reached INR 206.6, an increase of 18% year-on-year. PAT grew by 34% to INR 24.5 crores, reflecting sustained operating leverage and improved efficiency across our business. Looking at the business mix, OEM continues to be our largest segment, contributing about 48% of Q3 revenues. Exports accounted for over 36%, underscoring the strength of our international customer base and diversification benefits. The replacement market contributed around 8%, and we continue to see steady improvement in this segment as well. At the business unit level, Menon Bearings benefited from healthy OEM demand, stable export orders and improved capacity utilization, which supported margin expansion. Menon Alkop delivered stable performance during the quarter with continued focus on higher volume alloy products and customer qualification initiatives. Menon Brakes, while still at an early stage, is progressing as planned, and we expect a gradual ramp-up as customer approvals and volumes increases. On the cost front, raw material prices, volatility remains an area of close monitoring. However, a combination of partial price pass-through, better product mix and operational efficiencies helped us to protect and improve margins during the quarter. Apart from that, we have completed installation of 3.8 megawatt solar -- rooftop solar installations, covering all plants, which will curtail electricity expenses by about INR 2.25 crores per year. As we move forward, we see a stable demand environment across OEM and export markets. With major CapEx behind us, our focus remains on sweating assets, improving return ratios and driving profitable growth. Our subsidiaries continue to add long-term strategies and value and optionality to the business. With that, we will now be happy to take your questions. Thank you.
Vinay Pandit
attendeeThank you, sir. We will start the question and answer session. [Operator Instructions] We'll take the first question from Mr. Bhargav Buddhadev.
Bhargav Buddhadev
analystSir, my first question is that, obviously, we've seen a very strong growth in exports. So the share of exports has also now improved to about 36% versus 33%. So if you can spend some time in terms of despite this tariff scenario, how are we managing such a strong growth in exports? If you can just explain that, that would be my first question.
Arun Aradhye
executiveOkay. As I told you last time also in the earnings call, we have already started additional business with one of the major customers from U.S.A., that is Allison Transmission. And that alone business has added value of around 2 point -- more than INR 2.5 crores a month. Apart from that DRiV -- Federal-Mogul DRiV is also there. And other customers also added in the fold of our company so far as exports are concerned. So we hardly have any impact due to the tariffs imposed by the U.S.A. On the contrary, our exports are poised to grow further in future as well.
Bhargav Buddhadev
analystSir, the second question is that, obviously, in the last 1 month, we have seen a significant increase in copper prices and also steel prices undergoing some inflation. So in this scenario, how are we poised to basically pass on these to our customers because copper, in particular, has seen a significant rally. So is it fair to say that despite such an inflation, we will continue to maintain our gross margins or EBITDA margins going forward as well?
Arun Aradhye
executiveYes, very right question. As you know, there is a tremendous volatility so far as nonferrous materials are concerned. The prices are increasing like anything, and it will definitely have adverse impact on the margins. But at the same time, what we have done that our contracts typically allow for partial pass-through. We are in the process of passing the increased raw material cost to the customers, and that is a process maybe depending upon 3 months contract, 6 months contract for revision of rates. So that is a continuous process that we are following. Apart from that, we focus on product mix improvement, yield, then yield optimization and then cost efficiency to mitigate impact. And we are constantly having a vision on the raw material prices and to ensure that through the process improvement and yield improvement our margins will not be affected to the greater extent. Maybe some dent can be there, but it will not have a major impact due to passing off the burden on the customers as well as reduction in the raw material consumption and process improvements.
Aditya Menon
executiveAnd like you said, prices are volatile. With some customers, we have 3 months -- like 3 months period of rate increases. As management, we are also sending them every month now because now it's very volatile. Before it used to be like INR 900 to INR 950, but now it's from INR 900 to INR 1,200 a kilo. So that's a lot of cost which we are bearing. So as management, we are also talking to our customers, and we have relation for 20 years. So customers also -- they are also dependent on us. We are also their suppliers. So they are also friendly with us. They have good relation. So they are also what you say, they also try to help us pass the burden like take the burden from us.
Arun Aradhye
executiveAs he said, we are in the process of contracting all the customers to see that instead of looking at whatever contracts we have for 3 months or 6 months of provision. It cannot be like that in future. Considering the volatility in the prices, we cannot avoid by the contract that we have already entered with them. We are already talking with them that it will be on a monthly basis instead of 3 months or 6 months.
Aditya Menon
executiveBecause now even the Iran situation, Venezuela situation, it could be more volatile. So the customers also are understanding because you do high engineering, it's big business. They are also understanding. We have a good relation with them. So far, the talks are positive, but we still have to finalize it. Maybe by next quarter, we get a better picture on this, but customers are helpful. They are ready to help us on this, pass on the burden because for 3 to 6 months, we can't bear the burden of price increase. So they are like we have sent them the e-mails last month, had calls with them in December. Some of them have agreed for in January to pass on the burden. Some are still in chats. But they are reasonable. It's not an unreasonable thing that goes on here.
Bhargav Buddhadev
analystAnd lastly, sir, on the Brakes business, is there any development because that business can actually become a large business maybe in the next 2 to 3 years. So if there are any updates over there? And that would be my final question.
Aditya Nitin Menon
attendeeYes. Actually, now we are almost reaching INR 1 crore every month in Brakes. We are continuously working on our marketing. There are 2 OEMs. I won't take the names now, but we have gone and had very positive discussions with them. Maybe by next meeting, we can give you more -- maybe business also might start or we'll give you more positive news on that. And regarding railway, we're still in the dynamometer like already start -- ordered the dynamometer, maybe 3 to 4 months for the dynamometer. So maybe by next 1 year, we'll see a more huge growth in Brakes business. Because Brakes -- because we had some -- what do you say, some challenges with the dynamometer, we have already entered the 2-wheeler segment market, where we are doing a big pie chart there already. And after our product quality and everything is going smoothly, we've got a big open order, which we currently are not even doing every month. So we're getting a new line for 2-wheeler segment also. So we are not just waiting for HCV, LCV because there is a little bit break on the railway segment, we are going on -- looking at other avenues where we can -- in the friction material where else we can go. So 2-wheeler also has picked up well. Other customers in 2-wheeler also are now approaching us. But our still main focus is railway and HCV, LCV. So as management and team, we are focusing on that also currently.
Arun Aradhye
executiveApart from that, one of the auto giants have already contacted us. So we had a detailed meeting with them. And probably, they will visit to our establishment in the next month by 15th of February, wherein we expect -- we are not very sure, but we may expect that additional business of at least INR 1 crore will start with them per month.
Aditya Menon
executiveEven for the export question you asked for bearings and bush. Now as management, we have taken -- not policy, we have taken a decision. We don't do DDP where we do the delivery to U.S. We are trying to get everything [ ex works ] India because tomorrow, some other war happens or any other external factor should not affect our business. Maybe like we might lose some top line here and there because it won't be billing in dollar rate, it; will be in rupees. But as management, we are trying to do everything ex work. So in the long term, we are not -- tomorrow Trump puts 100% tariff or some other issues happen in the world, which are not in our control, should not affect our supplier. So that also we are doing because you asked how export is increasing. Now we have some customers we don't do [ ex works ] India. We do DDP or their delivery terms. So we are trying to get it changed to our convenience. Maybe top line might come down a little bit. But in the long run, this is a much more sustainable way, a safer way for us to carry on our business ahead.
Bhargav Buddhadev
analystI think your payment cycle will also improve, right?
Arun Aradhye
executiveIf you do prices from 180 days, it will come down to 30 days. There is a great amount of saving on account of interest as well as the total turnover of inventory.
Aditya Menon
executiveSo as management, we are taking big decisions. But in our industry, how it is, our suppliers are bigger than us and our customers are bigger than us. So it's a challenge to get it done. So Mr. Aradhye is on his best to get this done. And probably we are going to conclude in the next week only.
Vinay Pandit
attendeeWe'll take the next question from Raghav Maheshwari.
Raghav Maheshwari
analystCongratulations on a great set of numbers. Sir, my first question would be around the capacity utilization this quarter.
Aditya Menon
executiveIn Menon Bearings, bushing and washers, we are around 90% and in aluminum, aluminum castings, we are around 65%. And Brakes, we are around at 60%, 65%. So there is still a lot of room for future expansion. Like we can -- like what numbers we have given for 2027, we don't have to go for a major new investment capacity.
Raghav Maheshwari
analystRight. Okay. And sir, building up a question that the last participant had about the tariff on Menon Bearings like on the tariff in India. So sir, Menon Bearings Products are subjected to the 50% tariff, right?
Aditya Menon
executiveSome products are most now the new law has come for HCV and LCV. That is like trucks, they are waived off the tariffs. So a lot of places, we are not like where the tariff doesn't apply to us. Wherever the other areas the tariff apply to us, majority of the tariff is burned by our customers. We also pay a small count. Our customer also helps us with that.
Arun Aradhye
executiveSo I will little -- clarify about that a little more. So far as our new business, we have started additional business with Allison. Earlier the tariff was 50%, now it has reduced to 25%.
Aditya Nitin Menon
attendeeAnd on that 25% also because of good relation and we have supported them during tough times, they share the burden with us.
Raghav Maheshwari
analystAnd sir, marginal expansion that we have seen, now we are standing at around 20.5% for this quarter. Sir, I wanted to know what drove this margin expansion this quarter?
Arun Aradhye
executiveSee, benefited from strong execution, healthy OEM demand and stable export orders. While we may not see the same growth rate every quarter, we believe the current run rate is sustainable. Over the medium term, we expect growth to be in line with industry trends supported by exports, new customer additions and gradual improvement in the replacement market. While we could maintain and we will be maintaining the growth -- the similar growth in future as well in terms of volumes as well as in the margins, we have taken proactive steps to see how we can counter volatility in the prices of raw material. A number of actions have been already taken by the management, which will definitely result in reduction in the raw material cost by about INR 60 lakhs to INR 70 lakhs per month which will be -- actually the burden of raw material prices per month will be around INR 70 lakhs, but this month, we will be able to reduce it due to process improvement by about INR 55 lakh to INR 60 lakh. And from the next month, it will be around INR 75 lakhs to INR 80 lakhs. All actions have been already taken. And with this, we are sure that we will maintain the same margins, which are sustainable in future as well.
Aditya Menon
executiveAnd Raghav, to add to this, like if you're following our company or these calls for the last 1, 2 years, we've been telling about a strong order book, and we always said like it will be coming in third and fourth quarter and next year also. So whatever parts we developed for the last 2 years, we are benefiting those fruits now. Those new orders are coming in now and the SUVs are starting. So from the next quarter, you'll see similar growth for the next 1 year, 1, 1.5 years.
Raghav Maheshwari
analystYes. Do we have a number, sir, on order book?
Arun Aradhye
executiveIt is -- for this year, what we project that whatever order book position, if we consider that, we may reach up to INR 295 crores and next year, maybe around INR 350 crores and next year, INR 425 crores.
Raghav Maheshwari
analystThat is the order book size, right?
Arun Aradhye
executiveYes, right.
Raghav Maheshwari
analystAnd what is the execution time line for this?
Arun Aradhye
executiveRight, like next 2 years. See, this year, we are going to finish around INR 290 crores. Next year, we're going to do around INR 340 crores.
Aditya Menon
executiveINR 350 crores.
Arun Aradhye
executiveA little bit conservative. So when the results come, you guys are a little bit more happy.
Operator
operatorWe'll take the next question from Arnav Sakhuja.
Arnav Sakhuja
analystCongrats on a strong set of results. So my first question is, in the PPT, we've mentioned that we're planning to double the Alkop capacity from around 1,440 to 2,880 in the next 2 years. So I just wanted to understand, would we fulfill these orders in the future by potentially increasing wallet share from existing customers? Or would we try onboarding new customers to fulfill this demand?
Aditya Menon
executiveYes. Actually, a lot of -- we have already developed around 60 parts. Currently, wallet share from 1 customer, but it's not like 1 customer -- there are 2 customers actually, but we are not only doing India. We are doing their plants in Germany, their plants in U.S., their plants in South America. So you can -- it's like a new customer, but the main brand is like John Deere. We are doing John Deere U.S.A., John Deere, Europe, John Deere, South America. So that's one place. At the same time, we are doing continuous efforts to get new customers also. So there are new customers that are coming in because the quality of our product, the criticality, which we are able to achieve. So we are doing both at the same time. But this current growth is from current customers. But when I say current customer means John Deere India is a complete different group with a certain turnover. John Deere Europe is a certain group with like INR 10,000 crore turnover. John Deere U.S. is a huge company, again, separate. So it's like new customers for us.
Arun Aradhye
executiveYou can treat it as a new customer.
Aditya Menon
executiveBecause we get vendor code different for John Deere Europe, John Deere USA, John Deere in South America, in Brazil. It's like a new customer, but the brand name is same, but we get a vendor code different for all locations. So it's a mix of both. I don't know how to explain that. But yes.
Arnav Sakhuja
analystOkay. I kind of got your point. So my next question is, in the PPT, you mentioned a couple of strategic investments that the company is undertaking for cost saving, one of which you mentioned in the opening statement as well, which is a INR 2.55 crore cost saving because of the solar installation. So what would be the total cost saving if you add all the various ventures that you are undertaking?
Arun Aradhye
executiveSee, one thing is electricity charges or power charges for 1 year, we are 100% sure that we should be able to curtail the expenditure on electricity by INR 2.25 crores per year. Apart from that, due to the process improvements improved yield in the raw material, we should be able to save at least INR 8 crores of per year.
Aditya Menon
executiveAnd at the same time, we're doing a lot of technical innovation and investments where we are not dependent on that much manpower. As going forward, manpower don't get scarce, like also the PF all the -- like the salaries are getting increased like month by month, which is not -- which is not given to us by the -- like the customers.
Arun Aradhye
executiveWe cannot pass on that.
Aditya Menon
executiveSo we are doing a lot of technical innovations to try to reduce manpower in the future. So which benefits will come by next year -- next to next year. So that's all the different things which we are doing, like technological innovation where we are not dependent on manpower too much.
Arun Aradhye
executiveWherever automation is possible to avoid rejection as well as improve the productivity. That is definitely going to help us so far as productivity is concerned and which in turn will result in the reduced cost per item or component in the long run.
Arnav Sakhuja
analystCongrats again on strong set of numbers.
Arun Aradhye
executiveThank you Arnav.
Operator
operatorWe'll take the next question from Disha.
Unknown Analyst
analystAm I audible, sir?
Arun Aradhye
executiveYes, yes.
Unknown Analyst
analystYes. So just a couple of questions. Firstly, what is the total amount of CapEx we've incurred till now for this year? And what are we planning for the Q4 and for FY '27?
Arun Aradhye
executiveYou see, so far as this year is concerned, we have already completed CapEx of around INR 15 crores. Additionally, for next years what we have envisaged is around INR 20 crores.
Unknown Analyst
analystNext 2 years you're saying, INR 20 crores, right?
Arun Aradhye
executiveINR 20 crores.
Aditya Menon
executiveAnd last 2 years, we have done around -- like Mr. Aradhye said, last year, INR 15 crores, before that we did INR 15 crores. So the major CapEx of building, land acquisition, all that has been completed. This INR 20 crore is just more technology, machine, more value addition what we can do to our products.
Arun Aradhye
executiveWhat we have to know -- what we have to do now is to sweat the assets.
Aditya Menon
executiveYes. So the main investment has been like we have done it. Yes, somewhere.
Unknown Analyst
analystAll right. And you mentioned -- so like the Brake segment, we are seeing a lot of growth potential. So I think the current revenue mix around Bi-metal is around 74%, 22% from Alkop and 3% from the braking system, right, for this quarter. So how do you see this product mix or the revenue mix changing going ahead?
Arun Aradhye
executiveYou see since the -- across all the segments, what we foresee that for this year, it will remain more or less constant. But next year, it will change. Maybe it can be about 65% to 68% in Bi-metal, about 25% to 28% in Alkop and remaining in Brakes.
Aditya Menon
executiveBi-metal is a parent company. It's been there from 1993 and Alkop is from 2008, 2010. And Brakes is 2 -- this is a baby company, 2 years old. So that's why the pie also looks similar. So -- but we are doing efforts where Menon Brakes and Alkop will contribute more to the total pie chart.
Unknown Analyst
analystAll right. And what's the margin split between all these 3 sectors?
Arun Aradhye
executiveSee margin so far as EBITDA margins are similar in Alkop. But Aluminum as well as in Bearings it is similar. So far as Brakes is concerned, it is less because we have just started and recovery that is in process as soon as we increase the volumes, what we foresee what we have given for the next year is comparatively a conservative figure. But from about 12% to 13%, it may go up to 18% next year.
Unknown Analyst
analystFor the brake segment.
Arun Aradhye
executiveYes.
Unknown Analyst
analystAnd what is the overall margin guidance for the next year?
Arun Aradhye
executiveNext year margin is around 21% to 22%. Maybe next year, it is 21%. And next to next in '28, it should be 22%.
Unknown Analyst
analystAnd where do we see for this year on a consol basis?
Arun Aradhye
executiveIt is 20%.
Unknown Analyst
analyst20% margins for an overall consol basis?
Arun Aradhye
executiveYes.
Operator
operatorWe'll take the next question from Sucrit Patil.
Sucrit Patil
analystMy name is Sucrit Patil from Eyesight Fintrade Private Limited. Am I audible?
Arun Aradhye
executiveYes.
Sucrit Patil
analystYes. So I have 2 questions. My first question is as global auto and industrial demands shift towards electrification and lightweight components, how do you see Menon Bearings evolving its product portfolio to stay ahead of the competition? Could you share your vision for how the company plans to integrate new technologies and expand into emerging markets over the next, say, 1 to 2 years? This is my first question. I'll ask my second question after this.
Arun Aradhye
executiveOkay. Basically, so far as Bi-metal bearing is concerned -- sorry, Bi-metal division is concerned, it will not have any impact on this industry, our industry because we are not into car segment. And whatever EV is coming, that is in the segment of passenger vehicles more, not in heavy vehicles or off-road vehicles, where we are very strong and we don't have any stake so far as passenger vehicles are concerned. So it will not have any impact on us. So far as EV is concerned and emerging market, so we are concentrating more on that through Menon Alkop, our subsidiary company, which will be explained better by Mr. Aditya.
Aditya Menon
executiveYes. So like Mr. Aradhye said, in engine bearing also, we are not in passenger cars. We are in HCV, LCV, tractors, transmission, earth moving equipment, these kind of -- these kind of -- our parts go to these kind of vehicles where electrification won't come in the next 5, 10 years because it's high power, high HP required. So in that way, we are very good. Also, like we make bushes. So we are trying to get PTFE bushes, not only for engine application, but other applications also like air conditioning, fridges, other areas. And like Mr. Aradhye said, to -- even electrification is coming and electric vehicles are coming through our Menon Alkop division, we are already developing parts for different electric companies that Tier 2 supplier to Tesla through concentric pumps. We do some parts for Porsche E-Mobility through Eaton transmission. We even do electric parts for TACO Prestolite. It's a Tata Motors company, subsidiary company. So that goes to Tata Punch and Curvv. We do electric motor covers for them. So we are also through Menon Alkop entering the electric -- joining the electrification. So that's our answer.
Arun Aradhye
executiveSo apart from that we are in the process of engaging one of the major customers for PTFE bushes, which are required for EVs. We are to that -- and the business volumes are to the tune of almost INR 1.25 crores a month. We have not finalized. The samples are under process, and we'll see what happens with. That will be in the interest of the company as well. And we are very sure that we should get that business, which will come in from the next year.
Sucrit Patil
analystMy second question is regards to finance and margins. With rising raw material cost and currency fluctuations impacting exports, what forward-looking steps are you taking to sustain margin expansion while continuing to invest in capacity and R&D. Specifically, how do you see operating leverage and cost efficiency playing out in the next coming quarters?
Arun Aradhye
executiveSee, as I already told you that so far as electricity charges are concerned, we should be able to bring it down by INR 2.25 crores per year. Apart from that, whatever initiatives that we have taken proactive measures that we have taken so far as process improvement and raw material yield is concerned, which again will save us around INR 8 crores to INR 9 crores per year. Apart from that, whatever automation that we are going to do, that will definitely help us in reducing rejection further so that more and more quantity is available for sale, that will again help in reduction in the total cost of the company. With this and with the increased volumes so far as exports are likely to grow further. As I already told you that we are in the meeting with one of the major customers for business of bush. The volumes are likely to grow, which will definitely help in recovering the overheads. So more and more overheads will be absorbed by taking the measures to curtail the expenditure on raw material, electricity and to curb the expenditures which are wasteful. The steps have been already taken. And with this, we are very sure that we should be able to not only sustain the margins, but we are looking forward to see how we can improve the margins further.
Operator
operatorWe'll take the next question from Himanshu Upadhyay.
Himanshu Upadhyay
analystCongrats on good numbers. I had 2 questions. In the previous quarter, we had spoken about potential business from a competitor for U.S. aftermarket where they had sent some 800 parts if I am not mistaken. You said that management will take some time to decide on that business, whether we'll go forward or not. Any thoughts have you made on that business? And what are your thoughts now post this quarter?
Arun Aradhye
executiveOkay. We are in the process of verifying the feasibility of all these parts. We cannot go ahead with 800 parts at the same time. But at the same time, we are verifying which are having the more volumes with better pricing and which will add better number to our total numbers. See, Himanshu, we are selecting those items only. But at the same time, we have to understand that we can develop not more than 4 to 5 items or parts per month. So considering that, we are concentrating on the parts which are having more value addition with more volumes. And one by one, we are going to have this productionized over a period of time.
Aditya Menon
executiveAnd there is a constant like when they are given 800 parts, some parts are lucrative with high volumes and good margins. At the same time, some parts are more critical, less volume. So there's a back and forth discussion with the customer also. They want us to take some bad parts also. At the same time, we only want the good parts, which are high profitable. So it's still going in, what do you say? We are still in discussion. So it's not gone forward ahead, like we are waiting for the right what do you say...
Arun Aradhye
executivePartly, we have gone forward and probably after having report from them so far as the testing is concerned, we may start a business so far as out of 800 parts, some of the parts have been already developed and samples have been approved. And we are likely to get another business of INR 1 crores per month from April or May onwards.
Himanshu Upadhyay
analystOkay. And second was, if we look at Alkop's numbers for the quarter and 9 months, it seems domestic business has fallen, okay? So for last 9 months, it was domestic -- from 69% has come down to 62% of the revenue for Alkop. Any specific reason for that? Why would it have? Because we are seeing automotive, which has done pretty well, even engineering is doing well. So what would be the reason for domestic business coming down in Alkop?
Arun Aradhye
executiveYou see in some of the components where we were not having a good amount of value addition, we have taken a conscious decision to part away with those components. And at the same time, we are in the process of developing almost 8 parts for domestic components. And that business is likely to grow further and the mix-up of the business of export and domestic will remain same. The pie will remain same over a period of time.
Himanshu Upadhyay
analystAnd any new customers we would have added means on the domestic Alkop side?
Arun Aradhye
executiveAs Aditya already told you that -- so the John Deere is one customer as such, maybe domestic, but they are having different, different divisions, maybe in U.S.A. like Germany, U.S.A. and then South America, North America, some of the establishments in India as well. So we are developing that for John Deere as well as we are having -- increasing the wallet share so far as Concentric Pumps and Eaton is also concerned.
Aditya Menon
executiveWe are exploring new customers also. But it takes -- like I told you, it takes 3 months, 6 months, new customer, they have to have belief in our technology, there are audits that are happening. So in continuous process of that. And also, Mr. like Aradhye said, we are looking more at export -- like done a lot of export stuff because we are getting better margins and better rates for export. That's why a little bit focus is on that side. Like what you meant by saying why domestic has fallen a little bit, some parts where while doing the casting, fettling brings value addition, the margin is not that high. So as management, we are taking decision. Should we do this, it's not donkey works. Should we do this for such low margin just because we are having a relation for 10, 15 years? Or should we go for a more lucrative or more attractive business. So we are taking some of those calls also now. So that will be over by this quarter. By next quarter, next 2 quarters, you will see a better pie chart between export and domestic.
Arun Aradhye
executiveFurther, we are in discussion with other 4 customers, a very big customers, so that is in pipeline, and it will be successful. What I feel that it will take another 5 to 6 months.
Himanshu Upadhyay
analystWe have not lost any customer on Alkop. It is just we are restructuring the business already...
Arun Aradhye
executiveCorrect. Absolutely.
Aditya Menon
executiveJust making the product mix better, so we get better value. Making the product mix more efficient, so our margins are better.
Operator
operatorWe'll take the next question from Shubham Jain.
Shubham Jain
analystAm I audible?
Vinay Pandit
attendeeYes, Shubham.
Shubham Jain
analystPretty much all of my questions are answered, but I have some specific questions. On the railway front, what's exactly the issue with dynamometer, why it's getting delayed and such?
Arun Aradhye
executiveSee, we have already given the order for dynamometers and another 2 -- when we ordered last time to one of the manufacturers of dynamometers, but unfortunately since he had to leave the country and go to U.S.A., he could not complete that. Because of that, it is delayed. We have now given to another manufacturer and he has given the assurance that it will be completed within a period of 4 months from now. Since the registration with railways is always -- already completed, and we are likely to get that along with quality checking for not only railway, for OEMs as well. So fingers crossed, that is the key for railway business as well as OEMs.
Aditya Menon
executiveYes. And it's like -- dynamometers are very, like it just sounds simple, but it's a very critical equipment. So we have gone and like done our audits and seen who's capable of doing it or not. Finally, found this party in Pune, who is ready to do it. And according to our specs, we want to do it in a higher capacity and also next 5, 10 years, we don't have to invest another dynamometer. So the old guy couldn't do it, and there are other XYZ reasons, which we had to pull out also. We didn't want to get stuck there. So this is a new person we have after a lot of inspection and final audits, we have finalized him. So after this dynamometer comes in the next 4, 5 months, we should be good to go for railway. We finished all the other paperwork, other registrations for railway. But the main thing is that you should have a dynamometer in-house. So we were -- we had a few discussions with them, if we could do third party for the first few months and all, but they were very persistent on having an in-house dynamometer. So as management, we finally found the right candidate to get a dynamometer done according to our special specifications. So in the next 4, 5 years, we don't have to go for another dynamometer or another changes in that.
Shubham Jain
analystRight. And on the CapEx side, we have INR 20 crores of CapEx left to be incurred, right?
Arun Aradhye
executiveYes. So that is over a period of 2 years.
Shubham Jain
analystRight. So 10 each, I guess, next 2 years?
Aditya Menon
executiveRoughly, depending how order book comes.
Arun Aradhye
executiveMaybe in the remaining period in this quarter, we may be incurring expenditure to the tune of around INR 3 crores and rest INR 17 crores consolidated basis, we have to incur during next 2 years.
Aditya Menon
executiveAnd it is like how we have already submitted all the samples and all. As soon as the samples are approved, production start, we just have to order the required machinery. We don't want to do it too early or too late to have a good cash flow or not use our funds in a wrong way.
Arun Aradhye
executiveSo I can give you the tentative details. So for Alkop is concerned, we will have to incur CapEx of around INR 7 crores in the next 2 years in Bearing about INR 7 crores and in Brakes around INR 6 crores.
Aditya Menon
executiveThis is a roughly breakup.
Shubham Jain
analystAnd on the Alkop side, as you have mentioned, John Deere, right? It should be based I mean, analyzed as if it's 5 different companies as such. So where is the major growth coming in from a geographical point of view?
Aditya Menon
executiveI would say more of exports.
Shubham Jain
analystNo, I mean from which geography of the world.
Aditya Menon
executiveGermany, export, Europe and U.S.A. Those are the 2 driving more big exports. At the same time, John Deere is there, at the same time, talking to Brakes India; GPP, Ghaziabad Precision. Then there's the Allison [ Miyakawa ]. So there are different -- but I want to -- in this meeting, I want to tell you 100% concrete. The other ones are 70%, 80% done. They will get converted. So when they get converted, I'll take those names also. I don't want to give you a false hope or wrong names. So maybe next meeting, I can -- when the order is confirmed, when I have PO in my hand, I can give you those names.
Arun Aradhye
executiveSo those are in the pipeline.
Operator
operatorWe take the next question from Raghav Maheshwari.
Raghav Maheshwari
analystYes, just a follow-up question. The next thing that we think -- that you were talking about. So if you can just give a detail on what portion of your revenue will be booked as like ex works. And then [Technical Difficulty].
Operator
operatorSorry, Raghav, your voice is not clear. If you can...
Raghav Maheshwari
analystIs it better now?
Vinay Pandit
attendeeYes.
Raghav Maheshwari
analystYes. So sir, I just wanted to understand more on the ex work revenue booking that you were talking about with the previous participant. So what impact will it get us on our cash conversion cycle on a consolidated basis?
Arun Aradhye
executiveOn a consolidated basis, the cash conversion, whatever you are telling you, it will drop down from 180 days to almost 30 days. That is amazing we can save much -- so far as interest is concerned on working capital. At the same time, while we will be saving huge costs on account of interest, because of ex works, we will have to shell with some of the margins so far as transit -- shipment costs are concerned, tariff is concerned, then interest is concerned. So maybe around some of the business will be impacted by 15% probably. But at the same time, margins will remain same because we will be reducing the cost by about 20%. On the contrary, 5% margin will be increased.
Aditya Menon
executiveAnd again, as management, we have safety, like we are doing ex works. There's no pressure of third external factors affecting us. So maybe margin here and there might be affected marginally. But at the same time, we have peace of mind and everything is in our hand. We have less external factors affecting our business.
Raghav Maheshwari
analystAnd sir, are we planning to do this for the entire business or just the export or like what?
Aditya Menon
executiveThis only happens for exports. So we are trying to get it done for all our U.S. exports.
Raghav Maheshwari
analystOkay, all U.S. exports.
Aditya Menon
executiveBut I can't promise you it will happen for all. It's in customers' hand. So it's a negotiation, it's a dialogue to have with the customers. So wherever it can happen, it's good for us. Wherever not, we'll try to minimize the risk as much as possible.
Arun Aradhye
executiveBut we are sure that almost 90% of the exports will be covered under ex works.
Aditya Menon
executiveThat gives peace of mind in the long run.
Raghav Maheshwari
analystSo this 130 days to 30 days, this will happen once the 90% of exports are converted into ex works, right?
Aditya Menon
executiveAlready actually 60% to 70% of exports are ex works even currently.
Operator
operatorWe'll take the next question from Keshav Kumar.
Keshav Kumar
analystSir, on the BI-Metal front, would you be able to tell how much of our exports come from EU and U.S., if you could give a split between the two?
Arun Aradhye
executiveSee majority of the exports are to the U.S.A. Almost 60% to 65% export is to U.S.A.
Keshav Kumar
analystOkay. And sir, if this EU FTA happens, then how difficult or easy would it be to scale the business -- the EU business considering the business is sticky, and therefore, it's difficult to dislodge the competitors.
Arun Aradhye
executiveWe don't see any issues. So far as you see, recently, in the last week only, one of the major customers, John Deere, they have visited our factory Bi-metal for global sourcing for their -- all the plants across the globe. And especially for Europe, especially for the Europe and specifically for Germany.
Aditya Menon
executiveI think if quality and technology, if your delivery is on time, other factors are workable. There are not loopholes. There are -- you can work around. If your product is strong, if your communication with them is strong, technologically, you are achieving the quality, delivery is on time. The other factors are 10%, 20% in the challenge of the 100% business.
Arun Aradhye
executiveAnd what we learned from the discussion we had with them that China Plus One policy is getting further momentum now.
Aditya Menon
executiveYes. They're implementing that even more. It's.
Arun Aradhye
executiveAnd they are looking at India as a major source.
Keshav Kumar
analystSo sir, say, this FTA happens, is the EU opportunity size equally big? Or would U.S. be the bigger focus for us, say, for the next 5 to 7 years?
Arun Aradhye
executiveU.S.A. will be the major focus.
Aditya Menon
executiveYes. U.S. is still our -- we've been exporting there for the last 30 years. So we have a good base there, good customer relation also. So -- and if EU gets better, there's no harm in exploring EU also. We can't say which is focused, whichever is more lucrative and if EU also grows at that rate, both will have equal priorities, not like one has less priority or another has less priority.
Arun Aradhye
executiveSo far tariffs have not impacted our business.
Keshav Kumar
analystI was asking about the opportunity size, not the, I mean, priority. But just like arithmetically, if I can get some sense.
Aditya Menon
executiveCurrently, U.S. is like bigger size-wise for us, either markets. Yes. But in EU comes, we are making good like good size of business there, why not?
Arun Aradhye
executiveI don't know what to give you answer here, but like currently, U.S. is our big export goes there. We have a warehouse there, team there. Then again, we have tapped the South African market as well. That is a business of around INR 6 crores to INR 7 crores per year that we have already backed. There we export. We are already catering to the African market through distributor in Dubai.
Operator
operatorWe'll take the next question from Darshan Gala.
Darshan Gala
analystI would just like to know when you say that now we have to sweat our assets. So what is the asset turns in peak level we can achieve from the capacity which we have currently and the CapEx which we might do...
Arun Aradhye
executiveIt will be almost [ 2.5 ].
Aditya Menon
executiveYes, [ 2 to 2.5 ].
Operator
operatorWe'll take the last question from Madhur Rathi.
Madhur Rathi
analystSir, I wanted to understand, you mentioned that in the Brakes segment, our margins are currently in the 12%, 13% range, and that could go to 17%, 18%. So what would lead to this such huge margin increase? Is it that the dynamometer when it caters to railway, our margin profile will increase significantly or is something else other than this?
Aditya Menon
executiveActually, like you said, that also is one point. Currently, we are only 60% utilization. So 40% utilization currently we are not doing. So automatically, when you go out to 80%, 90% utilization, your margins get better. So currently, we are only at 60% utilization of the whole plant. So second shift is half running, third shift is not running.
Arun Aradhye
executiveSo you are in the finance, you also know how we can recover and absorb the overheads. So as the volumes grow which will set right the margins.
Madhur Rathi
analystSo I'm just looking at our competitors, So I'm just looking at our competitors, Rane Brake and Sundaram Brake Lining, sir, these guys do very little margins versus what we are targeting, sir, so is our product profile different from them? Or I'm not trying to understand how can a big large OEM give us margins when our competitors are making so little margins?
Arun Aradhye
executiveYou see, they are concentrating more on aftermarket, where the value addition is definitely very less because we have to have a total network throughout India and the cost of establishment and selling and distribution is always higher. But at the same time, when a big giant, automotive giant is coming and visiting our factory in the next month, and we are absolutely sure that we may get additional business of INR 1 crores to INR 1.5 crores a month, where the cost involved is definitely almost INR 0 so far as marketing is concerned. That is definitely going to add to the margins.
Aditya Menon
executiveAnd I don't want to compare with competitors then for Bi-metal also, you check all our competitors. Bi-metal Bearing, Federal-Mogul KSPG, you check their margin 6%, 7%. Then you'll ask how can I do 18%, 20%. That is our [ manufacturing ] capabilities, and that's why we're doing well for the last 20 years.
Madhur Rathi
analystRight. Sir, so that's very good to hear you. Sir, just a final question from mine. Sir, if I look at our aluminum casting business, so we -- just based on the 60%, 65% utilization that we are doing currently, I am getting that we do close to INR 2 lakhs to INR 2.2 lakhs per metric ton realization, whereas some of the larger players do INR 4 lakhs, INR 4.5 lakhs. Sir, so how do we plan to bridge this gap by either doing more complex products or doing the 38 products that you mentioned that are in the pipeline. So how do we plan to bridge this gap?
Arun Aradhye
executiveYou see, when we look at the quarter part, we have developed for exports and for domestic. So the total 51 parts. And the total volumes that are looking at is almost INR 30 crores over a period of 1.5 years, the items which are already developed, which have been approved since for one or the other reason in European countries, some of the projects have been postponed by that customer. And that's why we were looking at this business to start our production by the end of this quarter -- by end of this year last quarter. It is postponed to some extent and maybe that will be productionized during the entire next year. So all those activity productionized 1 by one, 1 by 1. So all those items will be productionized one by one, one by one so that per year impact, maybe if we consider half of the year for the next year, INR 15 more crores of new business will be added during the next year and another INR 15 crores of business in the next year.
Madhur Rathi
analystThis is confirmed numbers?
Arun Aradhye
executiveConfirmed.
Madhur Rathi
analystGot it. And sir, this -- in your investor presentation, you have given that we expect to generate INR 50 crores to INR 60 crore incremental revenue within 2 years. So where will this rest of INR 45 crores come in from?
Arun Aradhye
executiveSee, we have already increased our wallet share with the existing customers as well. Then addition of new customers, what we discussed just now, that is in the pipeline. And we are sure that we will be able to grab that business as well so that there will be addition of INR 50 crores, INR 60 crores during the next 2 years, 100%.
Vinay Pandit
attendeeSir, since that was the last question. Would you like to give any closing comments?
Arun Aradhye
executiveSo we are very much thankful for the investor community as well as to our all stakeholders and our customers, bankers, everybody, including Menon Kaptify. You see, Kaptify our P&R. They're excellently doing well. They are having very well coordination with all the investor community. And I look forward for more and more investors to come here and see the facilities so that they can appreciate and spread a word of appreciation amongst all the community across the country. So I will be very thankful if they come and visit the factories. I request Kaptify to arrange such visits in the future as well as during this quarter as well. So that we'll be very happy to welcome all of you. Thank you very much again, and wish you again a very happy and prosperous New Year.
Vinay Pandit
attendeeThank you sir. Thank you to the management team. And thank you to all the participants for joining on this call. This brings us to the end of this conference call. Thank you.
Arun Aradhye
executiveThank you.
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