Meren Energy Inc. (MER) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

May 15, 2023

Toronto Stock Exchange CA Energy Oil, Gas and Consumable Fuels earnings 42 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Shahin Amini

executive
#1

[Audio Gap] today for our first quarter 2023 results call. I'm joined today with our President and Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Keith Hill; and our Chief Financial Officer, Mr. Pascal Nicodeme. Keith and Pascal will present the quarter's highlights and the business outlook before we go into a Q&A session. I would like to remind everyone that remarks made during this session are subject to forward-looking statements, which involve significant risk factors and assumptions that have been fully described in the company's continuous disclosure reports. The information discussed is made as of today's date and time, and Africa Oil assumes no obligation to update or revise this information to reflect new events or circumstances, except as required by law. The company's complete financial statements and related MD&A are available on the company's website and on SEDAR. Keith, we're ready for you. Please go ahead.

Keith Hill

executive
#2

ng thing is that we are now drilling in both Namibia and Nigeria. So we don't have a lot of results from that drilling to report yet, but the fact that it's taken us some time to get off in drilling, and we are now drilling, I think, is a very, very good achievement. Obviously, Venus well is not being matched only by our shareholders, but by the whole world. And I think it's probably one of the top wells being drilled in the world this year. So I think that's getting a lot of buzz around it. that people are calling him to try to find that we are going to give any updates on that, but isn't in public domain. I'm afraid we may have to disappoint you as more for the operator and the part to do them than ourselves. But we'll certainly talk about what we can and then tell you why we're so interested. The OML 130 drilling infill program is something we've been working on for a long time to get up and running. It took us about a year longer than we wanted, but it's now up and going, and we're hoping to see by the end of the next quarter to see some results of that campaign. From a financial standpoint, we did declare a pay our dividend last quarter. So this means that just over a year, we've returned more than $80 million to shareholders through dividends and share buybacks. And we will be looking to continue that share buyback going forward, blackout periods from Venus drilling permitted. So -- as far as the -- where our balance sheet is, again, we're at almost 0 debt, consolidated net debt at only $3.5 million. When you look at the cash we have in the bank of $158 million versus the net debt position we've got at prior of $161 million. So again, very good standing on the balance sheet. And then we are, of course, the main difference between our money in the bank last quarter and this quarter is we have invested another $31 million in the Impact drilling program. We're going to be paying that in 2 tranches and will ultimately increase our interest slightly to 31.1%. Again, Venus is probably the most exciting well I've ever drilled. And I think if you read all of the things coming from Upstream Magazine, Orange Basin probably stands just behind Guyana as probably the highest exploration play on earth. Again, I will leave it to the operator and to our partner Impact to disclose any details. I'll only talk about what's already in the press today. I think one of our biggest promoters is Patrick Pouyanné of the CEO of Total, who has called us a golden lock kind of referencing to their golden block in Angola. And I think everybody is very excited about this block. I think you don't find prospects this size very often. So we are doing an appraisal well, 12 kilometers to the north, and we hope to see the results of that within the next 30 to 60 days. that's being drilled by the Tungsten Explorer. We've got a second rig coming the Deeps mirror well, it should be maybe in the next few days, and it will undertake a testing program. I think it's still to be determined whether that test would be on the original well or this appraisal well of 1A. But I think that's one of the critical missing pieces is a test rate. You may have seen in upstream magazine. There's some reports from the nearby Shell graft well that the test rates there were quite high, and we are hopeful from looking at the more engineering standpoint that we see some high test on that. So I think that's something we need to confirm. The Tungsten Explorer will move over to the NARA-1A well when they completed operations and the Venus drilling program. And that is the large westerly extension of Venus, which I think will also be a very big catalyst and a very important role for us to understand how this accumulation is developing. In Nigeria, it took us about a year longer than we were hoping to get our rig on station that we've got on there now, and they're doing a drilling program of up to 9 wells on Egina and Akpo. It's a combination of production wells and injection wells. And by next quarter, we should be able to report where we are on the drilling of those as well as what the results of those are EMEA of daily production. So we're also seeing a 4D seismic program over Egina to get a better idea of how we've been draining the reservoir so far to guide us in the future production wells. But so far, the guidance looks good. We're within -- I'd say within the upper range of upper part of the guidance range, and we are very confident that if the levels that we're drilling in a Egina come in as expected that we'll be able to stay within that guidance or possibly even the upper end of that guidance. We still are working on Preowei. I think people have seen questions already about people asking about the license extension. I think Preowei's important to get the license extension, but we are moving forward on that as we speak. So you may have seen reports in the press that most of the issues surrounding the extension had been agreed, which appears to be the case. But I think, obviously, working in Africa or a working anywhere in the oil industry until we have everything buttoned up, we're not in a position to say where we are on that license extension. So I think we're confident that there's a very high chance that's going to be done possibly before the end of this month. Again, on guidance, we're in the first quarter, we're in the upper end of that range. And I think we're feeling pretty comfortable that both on the working interest and entitlement production, we will be able to stay there. It will require some of the wells that we're drilling in Egina to help us stay in that upper end of the range. But I think particularly Agbami is performing very well this year. So I think we're fairly confident that we're going to going to be able to deliver it as we stated. So I'll turn it over to Pascal I'll let him go through our oil sales. I think we've had a fairly revolutionary change since we put our treating mechanism in place. So I'll turn it over to you, Pascal.

Pascal Nicodeme

executive
#3

Thank you, Keith. No, indeed, I think it's been another good quarter in terms of average sale prices. So this quarter, we sold on average, $81.5 per barrel, which is almost equal to Brent average the quarter. And as Keith said, I mean, in the last 3 quarters, we've seen a significant improvement in the sales price we were getting, thanks to the new marketing strategy. And well before Q2 2022, we were basically selling all our oil forward a few months before the actual date. So when the oil price was increasing, of course, the oil price move securing was much lower than the actual Brent price. So which has changed since Q2 2022, as you can see on this chart, the improvement is quite dramatic here are now selling consistently at Brent or oil Brents, thanks to the positive quality premium on Egina. So post period we also sold 2 gallons at $89 per barrel on average. And one more category is due to the sale for Q2. And going forward, in the second half of the year, we have 6 cargos planned for uptake, which are not sold yet, but they have this average trigger price of $66 per barrel. So unless the actual spot price goes below these figures, this counts will be on spot. So next slide is on the capital expenditures. We've incurred $10 million of capital expenditures, our share, mainly at the Prime level, of course. And we have a guidance between $80 million to $100 million for 2023, which reflects the activity we are incurring in Prime at the moment this engineering campaign. And this is to be compared to $24 million last year. So a pretty busy year in terms of capital expenditures, which is going in -- so in terms of financials, of course, you will see this red bar in Q4 2022, which was the actual impairment we took on Kenya. We had a one-off impairment of around $70 million on our Kenya assets. Prime has also booked an impairment due to the return on rate of $40 million of share. So over quarter is positive. We booked a $22 million net income, which is comparable to the other quarters without impairments. And then of course, the main contributor for this quarter profit is our share of profit coming from Prime, which was $37.5 million. And we are ending up the quarter with a very strong cash on the balance sheet of $158 million. In terms of performance at Prime, it's been affected various lower production and overall quite secure, but we still have very strong EBITDAX and cash flow EBITDA of $113 million for the quarter and almost $6 million of cash flow from operations. Prime has ended up the quarter with almost $200 million of cash on the balance sheet net to us and $360 million of debt net to us as well. So translating this into net debt position. I think it's important to see how this has improved over the past since we completed the acquisition of Prime in Q1 2021, where at that time, you will remember that we had a $250 million debt at Prime -- at Africa level, plus to try more. Since we've booked $300 million or paid at the Prime level, and that we have continued to repay consistently the RBL facility. And we are now since Q2 2022 at almost 0 consolidated net position, i.e., 50% of Prime plus Africa's cash on the balance sheet. So that's very good news. And of course, we are willing for this license to be extended in Nigeria in order to complete the referencing of both the Prime RBL facility and PXF, and also the corporate facility we have at African level, which is still under one at the moment. Keith, what about you?

Keith Hill

executive
#4

Yes. I think in combination with this, I think we're quite proud of the significant decrease in the flaring we've had. I think if you look at this chart, maybe concentrate a little bit on the dark blue bars for a moment or with dark gray line that's the Agbami field. So you can see when -- before we bought it, it was flaring almost 100 million cubic feet a day. Since we bought it, we've actually been very vocal with the operator trying to bring this down. And I think we're finally seeing the results on that. You can see in -- between '21 and '22, there was a significant decrease. But in '23, we've got those flaring volumes of indicating it's down to about 1/4 of what they were. So we did have a little flaring at the Egina this year. This is not a normal thing that happens. It has to do with some of the LNG offtake requirements and associated with some of the drilling that we've been doing. So we don't expect either Akpo and Egina to have recurring flaring. So the one that's always been our troublesome one was Agbami and I think we've -- the operator Chevron has that under control now. So I think, again, we are a catalyst risk company. The biggest catalyst we've got is Venus. We will be putting results out alongside the operator. And I think the timing of those and the amount of release is still to be determined. But I think we see a very catalyst-rich drilling environment in the minus area. The summer with 2 rigs working full time as of the end of this month. I think within that, the NARA is really the biggest one of those wells. That is [ extentially ] Western extension of the Venus discovery, which has a chance to really increase the volume significantly if it's successful. We are still looking at doing strategic assets, acquiring production assets, very specific in what we're looking for. We're looking for producing assets that have current cash flow and we'll have -- take advantage of what we still think is a very plant oil market for the next 3 to 5 years. So there still are a number of producing assets on the -- that are for sale, and we've been participating in some of these processes, but we will be careful about making sure we pay the right amount of price for those, but also when we compare these acquisitions with returning money to our shareholders, primarily in the form of buybacks. Again, OML 130. I think we're all feeling quite much more comfortable than we did I'd say a quarter ago that we've got all these things resolved, but having been in this business for some years until we actually have everything finished, I think I don't make any promises, but I think we're getting more and more confident that we'll have something done hopefully by the end of this month. And when that happens, then we'll be able to refinance the RBL and PXF facilities, both at the Prime level and the Africa Oil corporate level. And we sell a working we're working on the farmout of Block 3B/4B. You also saw that we picked up 2 new blocks in Equatorial Guinea. We're out looking for partners on those as well. So I think our goal is to have a partner secured on both of those blocks by the end of the year with 3B/4B possibly coming first because there's obviously a lot of industry interest of everything that's been going on in the Orange Basin. So with that, I will leave you to carefully read the reader advisory in the forward-looking statements. And to say thank you again for dialing in to express interest in the company. And I do feel we're in a very good spot right now. And I think it's going to be a very interesting summer as we work through not only the Venus drilling the farmouts, but also hopefully get license extension, which will free up a lot of cash at the Prime level. Okay.

Shahin Amini

executive
#5

Thank you, Keith. Nadia. if you could remind the participants, and we are ready for the Q&A session.

Operator

operator
#6

[Operator Instructions] Now we're going to take our first question and the question comes from the line of James Hosie from Barclays.

James Hosie

analyst
#7

I guess let's start with Namibia. And I was wondering what would you consider to be a high flow rate for Venus and just what are the capacity constraints in the rigs that will limit your testing capacity for that?

Keith Hill

executive
#8

Yes. James, always happy to talk to you. You always seem to be the first one on the line, so I appreciate your eagerness. But yes, I think us getting into that realm, I think that's something the operator should be talking about as opposed to myself. I mean I think, obviously, the higher flow rate, the better. You'll see the descriptive thing of flowing like a freight train and upstream magazine on the graft well, I think we haven't seen any hard numbers out of that, but the flow rates will be very instrumental in the economics. But again, I think I would defer to the operator to talk about those -- the upcoming program and the rates.

James Hosie

analyst
#9

Okay. So you can't even comment on what the testing capacity limits are in the rig?

Keith Hill

executive
#10

I think that's my place. I think that it's probably better for Total.

James Hosie

analyst
#11

Okay. right. One very much for you guys there is the buyback and just what needs to happen to restart the buyback? I mean you mentioned blackout periods linked to Venus drilling. I'm just wondering if that means you're going to blackout periods almost through the rest of this year with the drilling campaign continuing in Namibia?

Keith Hill

executive
#12

Well, we believe -- so we're just coming out of our -- obviously our quarterly blackout. We've been in blackout for the release of our financials, but we anticipate that we'll be going back into blackout as we start getting results out of the leanness. We believe there will be breaks in that blackout because the -- as well results are announced as test results are announced, I think there will be the ability to close the market. And we do look at taking advantage of that and trying to recommence the buybacks. We bought about half of the shares back that we can under the 10% program, and we still have significant budget to continue that. But I think we're being selective of when we do that, and we're being constrained by when we can restart the process with the blackout conditions.

Operator

operator
#13

[Operator Instructions] And the question comes from the line of Teodor Sveen-Nilsen from SB1 Markets.

Teodor Nilsen

analyst
#14

I have a few questions. First one is just on the 3B/4B farm down process. Did you say that you expected to conclude that during year and what kind of structure will that -- should we expect the farm down to be only carry or carry plus cash? Any more information there would be useful. And then on the outlook for dividend from Prime, I noticed there hasn't been any dividend for the first quarter. Do you have any kind of expectations for the level of dividends received from Prime the next 2 quarters? And my last question, that is on potentially new investments in Africa Energy and Eco Atlantic. When do you expect to inject more equity into those entities?

Keith Hill

executive
#15

kay. Well, maybe taking them in order of the -- in reverse order, I would say the equity requirements of both Africa Energy and Eco Atlantic are fairly small this year. So I think we will be standing in our corner in both of those companies to make sure that they continue on. Obviously, patience have been required in Africa Energy, but we really like the asset. We think the Brulpadda upper discoveries will be monetized at some point, and I think we want to be part of that process. You may also have heard from the Africa Energy presentation that the -- we still think there's a lot of exploration potential in the eastern part of that block as well, which I think won't be addressed until we actually find a way to monetize the existing discoveries, but we do like to block a lot. So of course, Eco has not only a nice portfolio that's with us in 3 for me. They also have some lock in Northern Namibia, which seems to be heating up. There's a good chance E&P will be drilling a well up. There's shortly, which could change the dynamics up there. And of course, they've got locks on either side of the golden trend in Guyana. So I think we're quite happy to support those companies and move forward with them. As far as the dividend from Prime, I think the -- that's all -- a lot of that is tied into the license extension. But as you can see from Pascal's presentation, it's throwing off a lot of cash. And the real question is do we use that cash to pay dividends or do we use that cash to pay down debt. I mean neither one of these is a bad thing, but I think paying -- giving dividends is our preference. So I think once license extension is obtained and we refinanced the RBL at the Prime level, we'll have a lot more cash to free up in dividends. But I think right now, we're kind of keeping cash close to our best to make sure that we can meet our obligations for a debt repayment in the event we don't get license extension right now. The first one was -- Yes, I think, again, the reason I said that may happen faster than the Equatorial Guinea farmout is just because of all the catalysts that are coming on. So I think with the Shell results kind of partially coming up, but hopefully, coming out more detailed not only the Graff but in the Jonker with our results coming out on Venus, you may have seen the press that our friends at [ Galp ] contracted a rig to come drilled to the north of us. So I think this is becoming the highest pace besides probably Guyana on earth. And I think from the activity we've had in the data room, I think there's a lot of super majors and midsized companies that don't want to be shut out of that process. So I believe we will have a deal to be done within 3B/4B. And I think we're fairly confident we can close that by the middle -- by I'd say the end of the summer.

Shahin Amini

executive
#16

Teodor, had an extension of that question, whether it's going to be carry only or carry U.S. cash. You can comment on that.

Keith Hill

executive
#17

Well, that will take the best deal we can get. But what we've asked partners is to essentially pay back our back costs in cash, but more importantly, to carry us forward on 1 to 2 exploration less.

Teodor Nilsen

analyst
#18

Okay. Just on 3B/4B again. How much do you expect to [indiscernible] or do you also want to give away the operatorship?

Keith Hill

executive
#19

Yes. But again, we're talking with several different companies that have different objectives. Obviously super majors love to operate and for the right price and the right deal, we would be willing to give up operatorship. I think as far as giving up interest, I think it's pretty much proportional. We're not that interested in giving up too much interest. We've only got 20%, so I don't think we would go below 15%. I think our 2 partners have other criteria particularly re-procure the interest [indiscernible] a bigger number, I think if we add up as a group giving up plus or minus 50% between us I think we stand with that goal.

Operator

operator
#20

There are no further questions at this moment over the phone, and I would like now to hand the conference over to Mr. Amini for any written questions.

Shahin Amini

executive
#21

Thank you very much, Nadia. Yes, we do have a number of questions through the webcast facility. I think it's time to turn the session to Pascal. One question is actually kind the general lot of banks are filling out oil and gas space. What are your views and what are the implications for Prime and the current syndicates.

Pascal Nicodeme

executive
#22

[indiscernible] announced that they were reducing their export to oil and gas to focus on the energy transition. The fact is that Prime has successfully refinanced their facility subject to license - of course, and we did the same. And most banks have stayed in the syndicate. Even some banks were announced that they would reduce their exposure. So I think endorse of the quality of the assets of Prime and the business model. And equally for us, we managed to double the size of our Corporate Facility, which [indiscernible] and all the banks, except one, decided to increase the project to the company. So, I think it's a matter of selecting the right banks going forward, but there been very stronger appetite, especially from South African Bank under African players of many banks.

Shahin Amini

executive
#23

I think just as a general comment, so we should highlight that Pascal, you were a reserve based lender, yourself for many years.

Pascal Nicodeme

executive
#24

Absolutely, and the right people to talk to me.

Shahin Amini

executive
#25

So that's extremely, and it's been very successful for us [indiscernible]. That was very good to have that. So know how and networks. There's just following from the RBL, there's also one about we do get license for OML 130, can you make any comments about what the refinancing could look like in terms of concern or any particular features?

Pascal Nicodeme

executive
#26

Yes, the refinancing with safety refinement in the existing oil facility and the banker so also and it was $1 billion at current level, so $500 million network that will be a simple refinancing very similar to the existing one, of course, that maturity date could put back for 5 years.

Shahin Amini

executive
#27

Okay. And there's one question on Impact which I am going to put to you as well, Pascal as you're director. I know you can't answer this question. But perhaps you can use it.

Pascal Nicodeme

executive
#28

Thank you for asking me.

Shahin Amini

executive
#29

Well, no, because I use that as a launch to just getting reviews about the recent Impact fundraising. So the question is the Africa Oil is obviously largely increase its interest, so some shareholders didn't participate. The question is who didn't participate? Now, I don't whether you can answer that.

Pascal Nicodeme

executive
#30

Of course I can't - any shareholder, but you can imagine that the Impact on your shoulder is made of large institutions like ourselves and then other large investors, but it's also made by individuals who are former managers and so on. So not everyone could stand their corner indeed and integrate. So that's why we were able to get a few more shares into the equity rates.

Shahin Amini

executive
#31

But more broadly, any comments on the successes of the fundraising and the support from the major shareholders?

Pascal Nicodeme

executive
#32

Yes, all the major shareholders through their client.

Shahin Amini

executive
#33

Excellent. Keith, we come back to you on some technical questions. There's a number on 130 infield, which you've already touched on. And I suppose people go into a lot of detail, and as you've said, some of this we've got to defer to the operator Total. But in terms of, I mean, we keep talking about 130, any comment on 127 who started, and Agbami field.

Keith Hill

executive
#34

Yes, Agbami has actually been producing quite well. It's been above expectations, and again, what I'm really happy about is the reliability of the facilities has gone up from like mid-80s to mid-90s. So I think Shell promised them a very good job of kind of turning around some operational issues they had with it and turning around the flaring, the flaring, like last week there was almost no flare. So, I think that, I think there's been a few initiatives that they've done to help that. But again, we look to be drilling some infill wells, we need to shoot some 4D seismic again and see where the oil is being drained before we position those wells. But I think it was -- it's being considered on the budget for late 2024 or early 2025, but we really need to shoot and get the results of that 40 seismic first. Right now, I think we're quite happy with where its performing.

Shahin Amini

executive
#35

And there's another question on the portfolio -- we actually get this question on every call, quarterly call about our current thinking on the portfolio companies. And you've kind of addressed that through the question [indiscernible]. But in terms of looking at the Africa organization in the past, you've mentioned that we may be looking at options with streamline. Do you have any color on that?

Keith Hill

executive
#36

The last quarterly call, we talked about the option of maybe spinning out some of the exploration assets into a separate vehicle. But we have other options that we're considering now. So I don't think anything has been decided. But I think we do realize that most people have a difficult time trying to value our investment in these portfolio companies. So I think I can say a couple of things. We're not going to be doing portfolio company investment, again, I think anything we do on exploration going forward will be a direct investment. I think it was a thing that we did at the time because it was the only quick way we could get into some plays we thought were pretty hot. And I think that it actually worked pretty well. We were able to get ourselves into the Venus project. We were able to get ourselves in the 3B/4B project through Eco. We were able to get into Guyana, unfortunately, we drilled 5 wells in Guyana. We found 2 nice accumulations. They turned out to be a little heavier than we would like. But we still think there's a lot of potential in Guyana. You can't be right next to 15 billion barrels of oil, especially the same petroleum system and not have [indiscernible]. So we are working with our partners and with the operators to try to come up with a plan to rejuvenate those 2 blocks. So -- but the points taken and I think, I would say by the end of next quarter, we hope to have a resolution to that, but nothing has been decided yet.

Shahin Amini

executive
#37

Yes. Thank you. Now, here's a question for you, Keith. This is very close to your heart, your views on short term and long term, well, medium term oil price?

Keith Hill

executive
#38

Short term is hard because it's driven by market sentiment. You can see, when 2 U.S. banks fell, the market gets into panic and oil price suffers. When you look at inflation rates and people get nervous about demand, it suffers. But those are both little short-term blips in my opinion. You look at the long-term supply/demand function and you look at how long this transition is going to take us, we're going to be at or around 100 million barrels a day with demand in 2040. There's just physically no way around it. And right now, it's very hard to envision that we've got the supply to meet that demand. The shale industry in the United States is really falling off. The big boys are still playing in the Permian, but a lot of the production of the littler guys since you can't finance it anymore. And it's -- I mean, some of these basins are getting old and tired. So I have still the ultimate oil goal. I think in the next 5 to 10 years, we're in good -- very good runway. I think in the next 3 to 5 years, there's zero chance we can't be a $100 oil crude significant amounts of time. So that's why we're still looking at producing assets. We actually see this little downturn right now as kind of an opportunity to go buy things, because some of the prices that we looked at last year when oil ran up to $128 after the Russian invasion of Ukraine, those aren't there anymore. So maybe people's expectations aren't quite so high. So haven't changed, I'm still the most optimistic guy in the room when it comes to the oil price and the longevity in the oil market.

Shahin Amini

executive
#39

Okay. Well, that's the geologists perspective. We have the bankers perspective for Pascal.

Pascal Nicodeme

executive
#40

I think, we need to prepare of course for our difficult scenarios. I think we are well equipped going forward. So whatever the actual realization of the oil price is, I think we will be in a good position. So I'm not concerned about the future [indiscernible]

Shahin Amini

executive
#41

Very good. One question back to Venus. Keith, do you still expect to see some impact after the - this current campaign in 2023?

Keith Hill

executive
#42

Well, I think, again, I think that's an Impact question, but I think Impact's been very forthcoming with the market that, that they are keen to move forward with the sale at some point when they think they realize enough value. So I think the timing and the process will lead to impact the comment that we do see that keeping up with a multi-billion-dollar deep water development might be hard for people the size with Africa Oil and Impact. So we've had good examples in the past. I think Kenya was one example where we maybe stayed a little longer than we should. And I think if a good offer comes up, I think, we would be supportive of Impact selling sooner than later.

Shahin Amini

executive
#43

I don't know Pascal if you have any comments on that question or?

Pascal Nicodeme

executive
#44

No, nothing.

Shahin Amini

executive
#45

That's good. Very good. There are a bunch of questions on Kenya. Anything you can say?

Keith Hill

executive
#46

No. I mean we're still working hard to get a partner. We had a little setback, which are one of the 2 partners that we thought we were pretty close with us pulled out. But the operator Tullow is very actively engaged in replacing that. We still think it's a great project. We still think it's going to solve a lot of energy, supply problems for Kenya and East Africa. So I think it is a challenging project. We've been here for 13 years and we still think it's a good project. So I can tell you Rahul Dhir is here as CEO of Tullow is very focused on getting a solution to this project to bring it to monetization. And it's really all about getting a strategic partner. Until we have a strategic partner we really can't move forward. So that's the real focus. But we are doing things in the background. We've done a lot of work on the land, water, fiscal regimes, all of those things, I think, we're making progress on, but until we get a strategic partner lined up, I'm not sure that we can move forward on it.

Shahin Amini

executive
#47

Okay, Keith. Thank you for that. Right, here is a question. I -- with all due respect to the person who put it to us, the question is, when you are going to get more producing assets/ It's taking a long time, I actually think that question should be changed? Are you going to get the right producing assets, because that is quite important. We've been very disciplined looking at the opportunities after.

Keith Hill

executive
#48

Yes. I think that's exactly right. I mean, there are things we could have bought, but I think we would have paid too much money for them. I think there is not that much competition, but there is competition, there is people, we are focused pretty much on West Africa and pretty much offshore. I think there are other people out there that are focusing on the same thing. So I think our opportunities will come. I think we've come very close on a couple of opportunities, but we're not going to overpay. I said before we are always going to look and see if buying our own shares is a better bargain than buying and producing asset. So trust me, this is laser-focused. I think it's in our information circular, how much of our compensation is focused on getting -- going out and buying a new asset and buying things. So the board and the management are very focused on this, but we're not going to go out and just buy the wrong thing just to grow production wells for its own sake.

Shahin Amini

executive
#49

Yes. And Pascal, there is a question on Egina and Akpo differentials, and what was there supposed before. And I think it's not right to kind of give [indiscernible] because that has been about movements, right? And I don't know if you have any views on that. My understanding is Egina is still doing well. It's kind of at a premium and Akpo in line with brands. Do you think in terms of long-term, those are the right assumptions if people are looking to update the models?

Pascal Nicodeme

executive
#50

Yes, I think we've seen a significant improvement in the premium for Egina and there's a lot of appetite in the market for Egina, which is good. So I think we can expect the premium to stay stable going forward. And yes always poised historically has been around on grants on that. So but yes, I'm expecting the Egina [indiscernible] to continue in the long term.

Shahin Amini

executive
#51

Yes, I think we have also called that last year was phenomenal. It was about 10 to 11 historical rights but that was kind of shouldn't see that as the norm.

Keith Hill

executive
#52

We've seen a big range on Egina, I mean as low as 2 but as high as 11. On averaging that 4 to 5 range, I would say.

Pascal Nicodeme

executive
#53

Yes. And the reason on the on the chart as I'm showing on the [indiscernible], the reason why in Q2, sorry, in Q3 and Q4 last year we were able to secure an average old class larger than the other grant, is because of the [indiscernible]

Shahin Amini

executive
#54

When I watch hard to notice there's one comment that it would be good to have a video for the Q&A session and my response, personal response is I'm putting in a lot of ways and I'm losing her. It was up to me. There would be no video feed this presentation, but we'll bear that in mind. Maybe for future events we can have this -- have a video of feel of the Pascal and Keith as well. And this is a good question, would they consider acquiring all of Impacts?

Keith Hill

executive
#55

No color.

Shahin Amini

executive
#56

Okay. Here's a question about our share structure saying, well, your number of issues and sanctions issues has actually gone up is because insiders are increasing their holdings. And I suppose with the PSU most well all of the directors, again best of my understanding and executive team have decided to basically take a stock. So you have the option of taking casual stock, but everyone's wants the equity upside, right?

Keith Hill

executive
#57

Yes, I would say in general the appetite for equity upside is much greater than just taking cash. There is a tax consequence of getting these. So I think I would say the normal thing that people do is exercise enough of the options that they can pay their tax bill. But I think, in my particular case, I've been trying to get as many shares as I can, but if you look at my holdings over the last 3 years, you'll see a free market increase.

Shahin Amini

executive
#58

Very good. I -- look there's other questions I'm seeing here and there's quite a few of them are just repetitions of others. And so I'm I think this is a good time, good point to wrap this up. I don't know Keith if you have any final comments, Pascal?

Keith Hill

executive
#59

No, I can -- Obviously there's going to be a very exciting summer. These are some of the best wells we've ever drilled in Venus and I'm feeling pretty good that we're going to get some farmouts done and we're going to get license extension and that's going to free up a lot of cash to pay dividends to us and hopefully ultimately end up in the shareholders pockets through either buyback or increase dividends due to other projects that may get into it. So I think we're in a very good shape and I do think I'm still bullish about our market and I realize the transmission is moving forward, but we are part of that if you look at our metrics, we are one of the best performing oil companies in terms of transition metrics, but we're also very dedicated to a net zero and a carbon neutral strategy moving forward, so.

Shahin Amini

executive
#60

Pascal?

Pascal Nicodeme

executive
#61

Nothing more I just think that's going out 2023 will be very effective to us looking forward to.

Shahin Amini

executive
#62

It is. Well, I'm very excited. That's for sure. Well, thank you both and Nadia, over to you to wrap this session up.

Operator

operator
#63

Thank you so much. That does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may now all disconnect.

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