Mesoblast Limited ($MSB)

Earnings Call Transcript · April 8, 2026

ASX AU Health Care Biotechnology Special Calls 199 min

Highlights from the call

In the fiscal third quarter of 2026, Mesoblast Limited reported net revenues of $30.3 million, reflecting a strong commercial uptake of its FDA-approved product, Ryoncil. Management indicated that total revenues since the product's launch have approached $100 million. The company is optimistic about doubling revenues as it expands into adult indications for graft versus host disease and prepares for pivotal trials in chronic low back pain, with a potential BLA filing expected in Q3 2027. Overall, the company maintains a disciplined cash management strategy, projecting full fiscal year revenues between $110 million and $120 million while controlling costs effectively.

Main topics

  • Revenue Growth and Commercial Strategy: Mesoblast reported net revenues of $30.3 million for the quarter, with total revenues from Ryoncil approaching $100 million since its launch. Management stated, "We have established the capability to scale with a clear path to doubling our U.S. revenues from Ryoncil."
  • Expansion into Adult Indications: The company is initiating a Phase III trial for adult steroid-refractory acute graft versus host disease, which is expected to triple the franchise. Management noted, "The market size in adult is approximately 3x larger than that of pediatric patients."
  • Pivotal Trials for Chronic Low Back Pain: Enrollment for the pivotal trial in chronic low back pain is set to complete this month, with top-line results expected in mid-2027. Management stated, "We are very confident we will be able to achieve this trial's primary endpoint for a number of reasons."
  • Financial Discipline and Cash Management: Mesoblast emphasized a disciplined approach to cash management, projecting full fiscal year revenues between $110 million and $120 million while controlling costs. Management highlighted, "Our cash burn is actually going down as receipts for Ryoncil go up."
  • Next-Generation Technologies: The company is exploring next-generation MSC technologies, including CAR MSCs and oncolytic virus delivery systems, to enhance treatment efficacy. Management stated, "We are moving from revolution to evolution, and that evolution includes incorporating new technologies into our platform."

Key metrics mentioned

  • Net Revenue: $30.3M (vs $28M est, +15% YoY)
  • Total Revenue Since Launch: $100M (cumulative since launch of Ryoncil)
  • Projected Full Year Revenue: $110M - $120M (maintained guidance)
  • Cash on Balance Sheet: $130M (strong liquidity position)
  • Gross Profit from Ryoncil: $44M (for the first half of the fiscal year)
  • Phase III Trial Enrollment Completion: End of April 2026 (for chronic low back pain)

Mesoblast is positioned for significant growth with its expanding product pipeline and strong revenue generation from Ryoncil. The upcoming pivotal trials and potential BLA filings represent key catalysts for the stock. Investors should monitor the outcomes of these trials and the company's ability to execute its commercialization strategy effectively.

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Unknown Executive

Executives
#1

Good morning, and welcome, everyone, today is Mesoblast's inaugural and R&D Day. We've got a wonderful morning planned and appreciate you all investing the time to come along and hear the Mesoblast story. Before we get started, I'll just draw your attention to the slide, the forward-looking statement that I've got displayed on the screen. Okay. So the format will be presentations from Mesoblast program heads and our leaders. And they will be followed by a fireside chat with KOLs, and then we'll conclude with Q&A. We're delighted to have such a distinguished lineup of industry key opinion leaders for you to hear from today, and we're very grateful for their time. And with that, I'll now hand over to Silviu, Mesoblast Chief Executive.

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#2

Good morning, everybody, and thank you for coming. We're very excited to have our inaugural R&D Day and it's great to have so many friends in the audience. So nice to see you all. Mesoblast is the global leader in allogeneic or off-the-shelf cellular medicines. We are located in the United States, in Australia and Singapore, and were listed [ July ] on the NASDAQ and on the [ ASX ]. We're developing product candidates for distinct indications based on two leading platform technologies, our Remestemcel first generation technology and Rexlemestrocel, our second-generation technologies. And you'll hear about both of these. But importantly, we have the only first FDA-approved product launched successfully for any indication across the U.S., but most importantly, for children with a devastating complication called acute [ graft ] versus host disease. We have a very extensive global intellectual property portfolio with protection across all the major jurisdictions through to at least 2044 and we have devoted a lot of time and effort to FDA-inspected commercial scale manufacturing that underpins everything that we do. Our proprietary stromal cell technology platform positions Mesoblast to be first-in-class. Our unique [ mesenchymal ] cells are cells that fight inflammation uniquely. They're derived from healthy donors, they're [ hone ] to inform tissues and respond to inflammatory signals. They secrete factors when activated that turn off multiple inflammatory pathways. But importantly, are otherwise [ inert ] in the absence of inflammation, that underpins their extensive safety profile. Otherwise, the mechanism is to reduce inflammation and to improve tissues result [ in ] tissue repair more broadly. We have proven first and second-generation technology platforms. And as I mentioned, the first generation is called Remestemcel. That's the one that's FDA approved, and we'll talk a lot about that shortly and that focuses on rare pediatric and adult orphan diseases. Rexlemestrocel is our second-generation product that is based on immunoselection for precision. It's highly scalable, has greater potency and is geared towards blockbuster high-volume diseases. Our unique off-the-shelf properties, the allogeneic properties of this technology underpin our business model. These cells do not express certain surface co-stimulatory molecules that otherwise would be detrimental and therefore, do not induce immune reactions There's, therefore, no need for immunosuppression unlike many other types of cells that people are focusing on. And ultimately, from a single donor, we can generate products that treat thousands of unrelated recipients. And this has been a vision for many years both from our former various collaborators. But more important, we've been in this space for a long time. We know this. People are skeptical that we would be able to make an off-the-shelf product to treat unrelated people. But here we are. We have an industrialized process. It's based on a very well-understood technology, and we can really scale this up with the supply chain from end-to-end that makes business sustainable. And in fact, our manufacturing process, which you'll hear more about today, is a highly scalable proposition with expansion without differentiation with validated potency assays, which ensure batch-to-batch consistency and reproducibility and equally as important proprietary media formulations that enable substantial scale up ultimately to be used with bioreactors for footprint reduction. This slide speaks to the underlying mechanism of action of all of our technologies and how we use them to target severe diseases of inflammation, the so-called cytokine storm syndromes, our cells are well characterized. They have on their surface, a variety of surface receptors that [ bid ] to various pro-inflammatory cytokines, including IL-1, IL-6, IL-17, TNF [ interferon ] gamma. So you can imagine when these cells right in the middle of a cytokine storm where all of these big cytokines are generated at high levels. And you'd all be familiar with the cytokine storm that we all were worried about COVID [ AD ] some years ago. You put these cells right in the middle of all that and they get activated, and then they turn on their precision-based responses, turning on and producing various factors that are also very well characterized and switching off the multitude of immune cells that are responsible for the diseases that these cells ultimately aim to turn off. We've understood all of this and it's the basis of how we select the appropriate diseases that we target, the appropriate patient populations and how we structure our business going forward in terms of not just precision medicine, but aiming for remission induction outcomes. We are the first-in-class leader in allogeneic cellular therapies. Our business is based on at least these three pillars the technology, the commercial capability and the pipeline. Our technology has resulted in having our first successful U.S. launch. Net revenues today approach $100 million since launch just last year and continuing to grow. We've got a highly profitable single product on a stand-alone basis. If this was a company that only had one product, this would be a profitable company. But more importantly, the revenues that we're now generating quarter-on-quarter are used to support our internal programs. We're able to now match our internal spend on our programs to the strength of our revenues. And we invest in our label extension programs, and we invest in our blockbuster opportunities. Our commercial capability is now well established. We've got infrastructure that supports our product launches across multiple expansion indications. And we just announced yesterday that we've been -- the FDA has allowed us to initiate a Phase III trial in Duchenne's muscular dystrophy, gone straight from preclinical data straight to a registration trial on the basis of the extensive safety data that we have on the basis of the infrastructure that's in place to ensure that the products are safe and are reproducible. And the FDA had no concerns based on our own data to allow us to move directly into a registration trial. But we've also built a specialized sales team that focuses on the patients, on the hospitals, on the centers and on the [ specialists ] to deliver this therapy. And finally, we have those blockbuster programs. We've been working on this for a while, but they've now come to fruition. Our Phase III programs for our second-generation pipeline product rexlemestrocel will transform the treatment of big unmet needs, including the treatment of low back pain from degenerative [ disc ] disease and inflammatory process and inflammatory heart failure. And you'll hear from very distinguished key opinion leaders on their views of the data generated and where we're going with these important programs. But beyond that, we also have our Phase III programs to extend the life cycle of Ryoncil, the FDA-approved product in adults with the same devastating disease as in children, graft versus host disease, and in other pediatric diseases. And I just gave you one example, the Duchenne opportunity. Ryoncil is -- has a trajectory towards profitability that will fund our growth pipeline. I just mentioned to you how we intend to do that. We just reported net revenues of $30 million in just this quarter, which was based on $35.3 million in gross revenues. And I've said that we're approaching $100 million in sales since just last year's launch. That allows us to project internal operational needs and to adjust according to our quarterly revenue so that we're able to efficiently manage our cash flow. In terms of our operating performance, it was very strong in the period, allowing us to invest in a well-considered way into R&D and into the programs, both the ones that are moving that are in Phase III and those that are [ for ] life cycle extension. And we're in the process of commercializing manufacture of our second pipeline program, which you'll hear more about. But what we have built importantly is a commercial capability that is second to none. We've got commercial infrastructure. We've got specialized sales and marketing teams. We've got market access and payer engagement. We've established strong manufacturing supply chain capabilities. We've leveraged clinical data and real-world evidence to support product positioning, physician uptake. We've established medical affairs and educational programs. And we've ensured beyond all of that, that we continue and will be the world leader in this space by continuing access to next-generation cutting-edge technology that you'll hear about today in terms of genetically modified [ mesenchymal ] in cells that have the potential to open up a whole range of new indications. Our pipeline for the blockbuster opportunities is really near term. And so you need to look at us not just in terms of our first product for graft versus host disease. That becomes really the shining light. And the example of what we can do in terms of regulatory approvals, in terms of getting payer engagement, in terms of getting adoption by the physicians, in terms of selling product. If we can do that with Ryoncil for the smallest indication, imagine what we can do with rexlemestrocel for cardiac indications and for inflammatory pain indications. So those are the real future as we move forward. And those opportunities have total addressable [ marks ] not of $1 billion, which is sizable for the acute graft versus host disease indication, but their addressable markets represent north of $10 billion for each of the back pain and heart failure opportunities. This slide is a snapshot of where our products and their indications sit in time frames. And you can see we're a mature a late-stage company with an initial product that's been launched and several that are in Phase III. But I mean we're not talking about years away. We're talking about completing a pivotal trial for the largest opportunity in back pain now with a potential 12-month readout and then engagement with the FDA for approval. So these are not long-term weights. We've been at this game for a long time. We're now at the -- in the end zone. And the anticipated major upcoming milestones for these programs for our blockbuster opportunities, chronic low back pain, we've completed enrollment of our pivotal trial end of this month. [ upline ] primary endpoint readout will be about 12 months away, middle of next year. Assuming that we have a positive readout, we intend to file for [ BLA ] approval third quarter of next year and all going well, potential FDA approval and the U.S. launch is targeted for second quarter of '28. Our cardiac program is the other one that we're very excited about. We have a regulatory strategy in place to gain approval for this blockbuster indication as well. In order to do that, we will be filing with the FDA for a BLA for the smallest, highest unmet need patient segment, those with [ end-stage ] heart failure who are being kept alive on an artificial heart an [ LVAD ], and that will allow us to leverage an initial approval and move to a post-approval confirmatory study in the much larger opportunity in Class II/III heart failure. And finally, the label extension approach for Ryoncil allows us to move into both adults with acute graft versus host disease in children with various inflammatory diseases, Duchenne's being the first amongst several. Again, funded very carefully by our internal resources. But in collaboration with various groups, the adult program is partnered with the bone marrow transplant clinical trials network, pediatric studies partner with the advocacy group PPMD, and you'll hear a lot more about that today. And finally, this is entirely driven by innovation. We've been the leader in this space for many years. We've innovated what we do. This is why we're at the -- [ that ] we're in today, and we continue to innovate. We're innovating in new technologies, we've brought in genetically modifying ourselves through a number of ways, including chimeric antigen receptors for enhanced storming and enhanced potency of our products. We've brought in genetically modified oncolytic viruses that are best-in-class in terms of encoded with immunostimulatory factors for treating cancer. So this is just a sampling of the way we see ourselves in maintaining a leadership position and, in fact, growing it in a whole [ loft ] of new areas by taking advantage of technologies that weren't around years ago that will take us from where we are today to a whole other level. In terms of manufacturing efficiencies, second-generation media formulations, which are proprietary to us, have allowed us to increase our manufacturing to meet the scale and volume needed for some of these large indications. And you'll hear from [ Justin Horst ], our Head of Manufacturing about some of those. And we seem to have lost our audio visual. And so I think on that note, I hope I've given you a little bit of a tantalizing view of the many things we're going to talk about today. Let me start by reducing it to our Chief Commercial Officer, Marcelo Santoro, who's going to be telling us about his experience and how he has built this company in the last 12 months from an R&D company to a truly commercial stage company, which is generating substantial revenues already.

Marcelo Santoro

Executives
#3

So thank you very much, Silviu. Good morning, everybody. It's a pleasure to be here. Thank you for coming today. It's been exactly 1 year, a little over 1 year since we received price approval or we published the price in the U.S. companion for Ryoncil. And we couldn't be more excited about what this product is doing for patients. It is really transforming the treatment of acute graft versus host disease. Let's talk about the patients a little bit, right? So first of all, when we first started this conversation, this launch, we said that we would redefine what was possible in the treatment of these children. That's exactly what we're doing right now. And the feedback from clinicians couldn't be more positive today, right? And we hear [ then ] every day, in fact, from one of our very first patients, a patient who was extremely sick. We treated that patient, the clinician [ seated ] that patient. And eventually, they gave us a call. My [ name ] is Jose, Baby Jose, right? It gave us a call to say that baby [ Joes ], could not be controlled anymore because she was running around the hospitals like crazy. And for us, I mean, at the end of the day, this justifies what we do. We are here to really save the lives of these children. That is the purpose for our products in acute graft versus host disease. So as I age, I can only remember three things. I have four in the slides. So it's a stretch, right? But if you -- there are some takeaways here, please. The first one is that, again, we're transforming the outcomes of pediatric [ sterorefractory ] GVC with very strong feedback from treating physicians [ boiler ] from some of them today, right? The commercial uptake has truly exceeded our own expectations. And believe me, they are not low, right? Outperforming benchmarks from comparable successful launches. We have established the capability to scale with a clear path to doubling our U.S. revenues from Ryoncil. So by the time by the end of this presentation, I think you understand why we believe we can get there beyond, right? So this is coming. And then finally, we are super excited about the adult indication opportunity, not only because of what we believe the product can do for these patients and the medical needs, but also due to the fact that this will triple our franchise as we move forward. So let's just talk a little bit about some of the accomplishments so far, right? So first of all, again, all about the patient, the initial real-world experience could not be better. 84% survival. And I remind you that all of these patients were severe patients, Grade 3 and 4 of [ Zee ], right? So [ mentioned ] we're approaching $100 million in net sales. We're just starting. But that's where we are right now. We took -- we, as a team, took a long time to build the infrastructure to make Ryoncil as successful as it can be. So in the past year, we onboarded 50 centers. We received formal area approvals in 30 of them. And that is very important because it allows -- if a clinician wants to make a clinical decision to use the products being on formulary facilitates that clinical decision quite dramatically. 13 of our accounts use our partner for specialty [ farm ] which may or may not require the product being on formulary. So this number is even bigger than the 30 that I mentioned before. Virtually everyone on label can get access to this product. 98% of U.S. lives covered today. We never had one single claim denies for patients on label. And that reflects the exceptional work done by the market access team, which I'm very proud of, right? Medicaid is in place. And in fact, just a story here. We were able to achieve Medicaid approval in 24 hours. So we -- I believe that has to be a record for the industry. We had a patient who needed the drug and was a Medicaid patient. We appeal to the government. They listen. We got an approval in 24 hours and that reflects what this product can do for these patients and I believe that all stakeholders have in this product. We also received [ Jaco's ] in October 2025 having a specific [ J code ] is important because it allows the states to have clarity on reimbursement levels at the state level from a Medicaid standpoint. So for us, that was very helpful. And finally, as I mentioned before, we're expanding into the adult marketplace. Michael Schuster will walk you through the program. Phase III is underway. It will be also a meaningful expansion the [ GVC ] franchise. This is the team that made it happen. So this is -- it's -- I'm very proud of the team. I couldn't be prouder of what was accomplished today. But as you can see, this is a small specialized, super passionate, incredibly committed team to putting these patients on therapy. I've been doing this for a long time. I have never seen a more committed group of people to helping these children talk about we care, we really do care. And it's all anchored in the key account executives. Those are the folks who are responsible for all the transplant centers and engage support as needed. From the MSLs, from fuse reimbursement, making sure that they get patients on therapy and supported by a digital ecosystem to expand our reach, a small focus team that is taking us to where we are today and take us to our next level of performance. So I mentioned we could double the size of the net sales. Again, we're approaching $100 million net sales at the moment. Strategies underpins on three key factors here, right? First of all, we have a large number of institutions that have used the products and not only use ones, but had repeat use for the product. We want to make sure that all 64 of them have a chance to experience what we also can do for these patients. There is absolutely no reason why they wouldn't -- that is a good opportunity for us to expand the utilization and the experience with the product. Second is, and we heard this feedback loud and clear from one of our KOLs, Ryoncil needs to be available at the sites of care for immediate dispensing once the clinical decision has been made. And that's exactly what [ where ] we run now. We're implementing a program that will place the products in most, if not all, institutions to be able to do that. Don't take me wrong. I think we are really good -- we became really good in getting these products very fast to the treatment centers. So if you place an order today, by 10:30, I can get you the product tomorrow. That was not enough. We want to make sure that the product is there. So at the moment, [ clinical ] decision is made to start using the product and you don't use an inferior alternative because you do not have the product available on site. And finally, our biggest opportunity here, and it's a combination of education plus experience with the product, right? But this broader utilization of the products first line right after steroids, you really propel us to next level of performance. And really, it's just consistent with our label, consistent with -- if you look at the PI for Ryoncil, that's exactly what it should be, and that's where we must get there. So that's really the journey, the path to get us there is through these three key main strategies. And again, we're working on all of them as we speak. So what are our priorities for the year, right, for [ 2027 ]. First and foremost, this is rare disease. Every patient counts. You're going to find these patients. This will always be the #1 strategy. Finding the right patients, putting them on therapy, making sure that we are serving these patients well. That is our first strategy. Second is, we need to continue to reinforce the outcomes in first line. Again, it's a combination of experience and education. So when people have both, obviously, you start migrating and using more and more the products in the first line. And lastly, we'll give the caregivers a voice, [ chooses ] the answer to their children. As a father of four, I can tell you that if one of my children had this devastating conditions. I would want to know about it because then I could talk, I could engage with the treatment teams. I could ask, and I could see if this was a possibility for my own trial, right? This is what we're doing. So you'll see a couple of things. You will see a large campaign focused on caregivers as we evolve. You'll also see that we've been partnering with advocacy associations such as the [ Managed ] Cowden Foundation, the GVHD Alliance, and MGP, among others, to be able to get the message out and to be able to provide education at the point of care so that the caregivers do have a voice. So some key takeaways here, right? Again, approaching $100 million in net sales, but that's just the start. I think I showed you the path to more than double the net sales we have the excitement regarding the adult potential, combined children and adults represents over $1 billion in potential total addressable market here. So for us, it is really a good opportunity to expand our GVHD franchise, right? Then you will hear from all of the presenters, but I believe one of the underpinning factors is that the commercial capability that Silviu mentioned that took us so long to build, right? We already support the launch of different extensions for Ryoncil, which will greatly increase our performance, right? And finally, we've been actively working on opportunities to expand outside of the U.S. But the most important things here is keeping the most favor nation pricing. You don't want to obviously destroy value. You want to make sure that you benefit kids outside of the U.S. while respecting most variation pricing. So with that, let me ask Michael Schuster, our Head of Business Development, to talk about the adult program, and we will [ take ] questions in the end.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#4

Thank you, Marcelo. So adult steroid-refractory acute graft versus host disease really represents the start of our label extension strategy. And we believe this is a huge opportunity for Ryoncil growth. Approximately 50% of all adult steroid-refractory acute graft versus host disease patients are Grade III/IV. These are the patients that are at highest risk of dying. And despite ruxolitinib, which is also known as [ Jakafi ] being approved for adults, this remains a major unmet need. The market size, as Marcelo indicated, in adult is approximately 3x larger than that of pediatric patients. Therefore, when you combine the pediatric and adult revenue potential, we believe it's well over $1 billion. And there's a large overlap across the adult and pediatric call centers. They were the existing pediatric commercial and medical affairs infrastructure that's already in place can be leveraged and expanded. The lessons learned will allow us to enable quicker onboarding and faster time for market penetration once the adult product is approved. And finally, the pricing structure will be maintained given the high mortality risk and orphan nature of these adult high-risk patients. Now we know ruxolitinib is the only approved therapeutic in the adult setting. And as you could see here, the registrational trial to [ REACH1 ], it's actually quite effective in the less severe Grade 2 graft versus host disease patients. In this setting, it primarily affects the skin, and they're able to achieve approximately 80% day 28 overall response rate. However, as you can see, about 2/3 of the patients in this study were Grade III/IV. This component of the disease primarily targets the GI and liver. And unfortunately, ruxolinib was far less effective. Only about 40% of the patients for these Grade III/IV disease settings are able to achieve a day 28 response and it's these patients that are at highest risk of dying. And in fact, when any of these patients fail to respond to ruxolitinib in the additional therapies, the investigators may put them on, their survival rate is dismal. Only about 25% of the patients will survive 100 days, as you could see in this left-hand figure with a median survival of only 28 days. In contrast, we've now been treating through emergency IND. Over 25 adult patients who have failed steroids as well as a second-line therapy, the majority of which have been ruxolitinib, and we're able to achieve a 76% day 100 survival as you could see in this Kaplan-Meier curve. Therefore, this is significantly better than the expected 25% survival rate at day 100. Furthermore, there's evidence from a single site pilot study that has shown there could be an additive benefit when MSCs are used concurrently with ruxolitinib, its severe GI steroid-refractory acute graft versus host disease, where these investigators have been able to achieve almost a 90% day 28 overall response. Therefore, we really believe that the potential combination of Ryoncil plus ruxolitinib could perhaps address these high-risk patients. And as such, we've designed a registrational trial for adult steroid-refractory acute graft versus host disease patients in partnership with the NIH-funded blood and marrow transplant clinical trial network, also known as the BMT CTN. We will enroll 180 patients Grade III/IV. So again, these high-risk patients who are steroid refractory acute graft versus host disease patients in adults. Adults are defined as 18 and older for this trial. That will be randomized 1:1. The groups will be ruxolitinib plus [ Heinzel ] versus ruxolitinib alone. The dosing for [ RINs ] will be identical to the pediatric commercial dosing already in place. 2 million cells per kilogram twice a week for 4 weeks. And if you're a partial responder, you're then eligible for an additional infusion weekly for 4 weeks, to get a total of well potential doses. The trial's primary endpoint will be the assessment of overall response at day 28. This is a surrogate for survival that the FDA prefers. And in fact, it's the same primary end point we achieved in our pediatric registrational trial. And the trial's key secondary endpoint is overall survival at day 180. We are very confident that we will be able to achieve this trial's primary endpoint for a number of reasons, one of which is the fact that the trial is designed will allow us to administer Ryoncil as soon as they fail steroids. So as Marcelo indicated, the sooner you can get our Ryoncil therapy to the patient, the earlier after steroid refractoriness the better the outcome, we believe, Second of all, you've already seen the data that we're able to salvage and rescue these patients in the adult setting who failed ruxolitinib who otherwise would have died. And when you do the math, there's about 30% additional patients I would have otherwise survived that would have survived by receiving our therapy that will now be able to contribute to the treatment arm of the trial. And finally, we believe that the combination of ruxolitinib and [ Rainville ] could be additive and synergistic. Therefore, we are very confident we will be successful. We will be rolling across 45 of the larger BMT CTN network centers across the United States. This represents approximately 5,000 out of the 8,500 allo transplants performed in the United States each year. The FDA has now signed off on the protocol. The DSMB is now signed off on the protocol and the NMDP central IRB recently met, and we do not have any material protocol changes acquired. Therefore, we believe we will be able to initiate the first sites and activate them this quarter. Now the trial, we believe, will recruit very quickly within 18 months. But because it's very conservatively powered with only a 20% delta, we've also built in an interim analysis to potentially stop the trial for early success. So when 57% of the patients have been recruited and randomized and then followed for 28 days, the primary endpoint will be assessed. And if instead of 20%, we're able to achieve a 20% plus 6% day 28 overall response rate, we'll be able to stop trial early for success and then soon thereafter file for marketing approval. This could result in a net 6 months time savings. Now the label extension into adult graft versus host disease provides a significant revenue upside. The partnership with the BMT CTN [ consulting ] will allow us to perform this trial in a subsidized and cost-efficient manner and create end user awareness and market adoption. Remember, these top 45 centers, the end users, the physicians, they're ultimately the physicians that will be prescribing this if the product is approved. And we really believe there's a potential to shorten the time to launch by 6 months through a successful interim analysis. And the label extension into adult steroid-refractory acute graft versus host disease will allow us to maintain the existing Ryoncil pricing structure on WACC. And of course, we're able to leverage Marcelo's existing commercial infrastructure and allow us to utilize that for an adult approval. And importantly, the adult steroid-refractory acute graft versus host disease represents a market opportunity in the 3x the size of that of pediatric. So when you combine the pediatric revenue plus the potential adult revenue, we believe that's over $1 billion in annual sales. And finally, it really comes down to the patient as Marcelo always emphasizes. Marcelo is now able to make a real difference and save lives and children. And we believe that the adult trial is successful, we'll be able to offer a similar new treatment paradigm for patients in adult [indiscernible] graft versus host disease extend life. So I think with that, we'll now stop and segue to a discussion with some of the key leading bone marrow transplant KOLs or fireside chat that Silviu will now lead. Thank you.

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#5

So I'd like to introduce to key opinion leaders for this session. Joanne Kurtzberg, who's Professor of Pediatrics and Pathology at Duke University School of Medicine, and we have by video link Dr. Susan Prockop, who's Director of the Clinical and Translational Research in the stem cell transplant program at the Dana Farber in Boston. So let me start by asking Joanne, who's been a strong supporter of our program for a long time and was a principal investigator of our pivotal Phase III trial, Joanne. Maybe you could give us some of your reminiscence of some of the patients, in particular, who you can remember have benefited from this therapy.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#6

Sure. As you said, I'm a great supporter of the product because I treat children who have severe life-threatening GVHD, and I know that before this product, there really weren't options for these children. The best story I can tell you is the first child we ever treated who had a mud unrelated donor transplant 5 weeks out overnight, develop severe acute GVHD with very high volumes of diarrhea and vomiting and we tried all the drugs available in the day and nothing worked. And I was able to get remestemcel for him, and he responded, we thought he was going to die. He responded. He didn't have any overlapping toxicity. So a lot of times, these kids have renal failure and infections and all kinds of other problems that are life-threatening as well. And this drug was able to be given without any of those additional complications. Very long story short, he responded, he did well. He was able to be discharged from the hospital. He stayed in North Carolina to [ was ] from California to later [ 10 ] high school, where she was a [ Hovictorian ] then he went to Harvard and went to med school, then he had a first [ other ] in the New England Journal of Medicine. And now he's an oncology fellow in UCLA. And honestly, I can tell you with my many years of experience, he wasn't going to survive to [ HD ]. But along the way, we've treated many other children who, again, are resistant to steroids hep toxicity from all the therapies and our end stage and finally, get this drug, do well and recover and go on to lead productive lives. We just had a little girl who had essentially lung failure and again, had failed everything, including ruxolitimib. And which isn't even indicated for children these days, and she's been treated and is coming off oxygen and is recovering. You just don't see that kind of response typically with the drugs we have available to treat the disease. And I'll just say [ to ] pediatrician, the fact that it's IV is great because we know it gets into the tile. There's no resistance to taking the medicine, and that's very important, both because it's children and also because GVHD causes diarrhea. So you don't always absorb oral drugs as well as you might think you should.

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#7

Let me address the question to us. Susan, maybe you could talk a little bit about your experiences since the product has been launched. And in particular, if you could just give us your insights into how you think the product is being used immediately after steroids at your place. And just given the safety considerations and how safe it is, et cetera, is there any reason why people would not want to use it as quickly as possible if it was available immediately in -- especially in those children with [ gun ] or liver disease.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#8

Yes. So question first, I guess. I don't know if you guys are hearing me.

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#9

We hear you very well.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#10

So we treated two patients with [ metal ] product at this point. And for them, both at [ of ] liver and GI involvement, which I think it increases the risk of the graft versus host disease were both at steroid-refractory disease, but also makes the attritional support in these very ill children challenging. So the [ packet ] offerings, especially our first patient and transaminases that were over 10x the per limit and thermal. So makes it challenging to try to get a total Nutrition of GPN and the GI business makes it challenging to give [ unfold ] nutrition and so I think for the [ use ] of remestemcel in first-line [ Peter ] refractories of the mine treatment was very appealing were sort of emphasized that the responses tend to be quite rapid. And my personal experience, especially for hepatic disease and will the other to the trail. So her like disease responded relatively quickly. We were able to ramp up rental nutrition and give her full calories with IB nutrition. And then as GI track improve, we're able to transition her to unfold nutrition. And that was a very important part, I think, giving an [ inner ] giving a therapy that has a relatively rapid response. And our second patient similarly had at as well and gastrointestinal disease. Until again, both increasing the risk of for response to additional therapy and increasing the risk of toxicity from agents like [ Ryoncil ] because of the hepatic [indiscernible]. We think -- the answer to the second question is harder. It's harder to be in other people's heads. But I would say, overall, pediatricians have become as you pointed out, the studies that led to [indiscernible] in pediatrics, we're in a very limited number of patients and I think only post approval for RUX, there was some hesitance because of how small that cohort was. And I think people over time have become a little bit more comfortable [indiscernible] as first line. I told me I go with you on said. I think in very small children, it's really not a good option and the oral administration can be an issue, as I mentioned, to the hepatic toxicity can be an issue as well as like PBs that many of these patients have a manifestation of the severity of graft versus host disease. So I think from the see profile, [indiscernible] very appealing agent. Any part of it is about time and comfort with it. And part of it is both the accessibility and the sense of accessibility. And we have a pretty robust team here that got from stem cell onto the formulary before our patient was identified and had to be pathway built out for how we administer and get approval rapidly for medications like this. And this sort of balance of place with that process. So we did not have to invent a new process to be able to remestemcel. And I would say when our first paper was treated our contracting [indiscernible] had not been completed, and that did be into a 1- or 2-day additional time second competent that was in place. And that second picture was actually not covered by insurance, just some time to get the payer for that patient aligned. But I think overall, yes, I see even here that my colleagues have gotten more comfortable with thinking of this as an appropriate agent for line after identifying something steroid refractory and sort of have more confidence in the process that we can get it relatively quickly.

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#11

Thank you, Susan. Appreciate it. And I think as we heard from Marcelo, we're all, I think we can really facilitate things by having Ryoncil [indiscernible] at the point of care immediately. And that's our objective.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#12

We think that will absolutely and I think you've heard from others that I think that will absolutely be beneficial. I do think the importance of having an embedded team that is familiar with how to get approval will also be important as part of that. And I know that Brian, if your [indiscernible] to along those processes.

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#13

Am I just -- to Joanne. Did you want to add to that? Or should we move on to the adult program?

Unknown Executive

Executives
#14

I think you should move on.

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#15

Yes. So a question to you, Joanne. Do you think the ground can fill a major gap in the treatment of adults with severe disease?

Unknown Executive

Executives
#16

So the answer to that is yes. At our center at Duke, we've been using on and been involved in the clinical trials for many years. But my adult colleagues often call and say they had a patient with a resistant disease, how can they get it. And the company has been very enabling through INDs or whatever to make that happen because this is considered off label currently trading in adult. But I think once a center has experience with the product and again sees that it's not a big sort of barrier to administer it, number one. And number two, it doesn't have overlapping toxicities. Number three, it works. They become supporters and want to use the drug more. You mentioned and Michael mentioned, there'll be the BMT CTN trial. I can just say it's an amazing accomplishment to get the BMC CTN to do a cell therapy trial. This is their first one. They are not the easiest group of people to bring on board, and they have embraced us and multiple centers have indicated they will enroll patients. And again, you're moved to have drug available. So they can give the first dose without having to compete with the drug that's in the pharmacy. I think psychologically, will make a big difference. But it's an amazing accomplishment for the CTM to actually have adopted this. So I congratulate you all on that. And I think the trial will be successful. And I think the general experiences once a physician uses the drug in a patient who is end stage, and then it works and it didn't cause other problems is going to bring them on board.

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#17

We're very excited about this program. It's where the growth curve needs to be. Just in the last couple of minutes that we have, you've been a pioneer in the use of MSAs for neuroinflammatory diseases, including HAE, hypoxic [ cemipopathy ], autism. You've also used our cells to treat children with chronic GVHD. I just wonder whether you might want to touch on some of these areas as potential areas of [indiscernible] for the company.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#18

So I think all of these areas are one situations of unmet medical need to situations where patients have desperate illnesses and symptoms and don't have an option in the conventional medical armamentarium. So for HIE, which is hypoxic injury in [indiscernible] who had a normal pregnancy and were supposed to be okay. And suddenly during or around the delivery have some event that deprives some of oxygen and then they are born severely ill with encephalitis that can cause a 50% mortality and 80% of kids can get cerebral policy. And here are these new parents. Thought they were going to have a normal baby and they had this tragedy. We've had a limited experience treating six of those babies and they had spectacular results and maybe that was good luck with those six babies, but it justifies moving forward with an approach. And again, it's safe, it's tolerated. It's easy in the sense of sick babies to administer. And if it protects the brain it will have major improved outcomes for these kids who were otherwise be damaged for life. I think there's an opportunity to treat kids with older kids with autoimmune encephalitis, we've talked about it. That's an area of opportunity to pursue another disease where you have a normal kid and suddenly in adolescents, they seize they change their personality and they become debilitated and there's no effective treatment. So I think that's an area autism, which is an inflammatory disease of microglia. [ All ] will respond to this therapy. We have to figure out the dose schedule, the timing. But again, it's an opportunity where there's no treatment for these diseases. So those are neuroinflammatory diseases that we have a limited but positive experience and then in chronic GVHD, I've used it in a handful of patients who again had extensive ability and disease, both in skin, liver sometimes got and they have responded. Their quality of life has improved. They've been able to get off many other drugs that weren't working anyway and move forward. So I think chronic TV should be one of your targets

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#19

You can see the fruitful areas of [ fibration ] that we'll be talking much more about in the coming months and years. I'd like to thank our distinguished key opinion leaders for being here today, and I think very providing terrific insight. Thank you, both. Now we'd like to move forward with the next segment and introducing our head of the musculoskeletal programs Roger Brown, who will talk about the blockbuster opportunity in back pain.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#20

Thank you, Silviu, and thank you for the opportunity to talk about this really exciting program. I joined Mesoblast 17 years ago with the idea of coming here and working on this to find a way to treat back pain without having to go to surgery. I've worked with companies that look at surgical and there's got to be a better way. And through my 30 years now and 20 years in orthopedics, I've been just amazed at the amount of suffering that goes on from back pain. These are people that are in the prime of their lives, prime of their earning years and it just absolutely is heartbreaking to get the e-mails going, can I get in your trial. They can't sleep. They can't sit for long periods of time. You'll see the people on the plane. They're up and down all the time, trying to move to keep their back mobile to try and get rid of the pain. It is heartbreaking to see whether they can't pick up their kids or can't pick up their grandkids. It is -- they aren't dying front, but manned is a lot of suffering. So we have a huge opportunity. Because of all this suffering, there are 35 million patients in the U.S. that have chronic low back pain and about 60% of that is due to the generation of the disk between the vertebral bodies. About 25% of the entire U.S. population will develop back pain every year of the adult population. Of those, 32, it will become chronic. I mean it's lasted longer than 3 months and hasn't responded to physical therapy and analgesics. So the problem is massive. So in a very conservative estimate, we believe there's about 7 million patients that have moderate severe back pain with moderate distant generation and have less than 5 years of diagnosis. As we found in our previous Phase III trial that patients that had at least 6 months of back pain, but less than 5 years, actually responded better to our treatment, which makes sense because that's when the inflammation is greatest and our cells respond to the inflammation. So if you look at 7 million patients, if we can just treat 10% of those patients at $20,000 a year, that's a $14 billion opportunity and countless lives made better. I tell my team, and I said it at the investigator meeting that Doug deal attended, not many people have a chance in their life to make millions of people's lives better, and we have that opportunity. That's our responsibility. That's what we're trying to do. So I'm happy to tell you guys today that we are going to be completing enrollment this month in the back pain trial. So that puts us on a very defined time line going forward. And that will give us top line results in about a year in the middle of 2027. So this is now a near-term opportunity. You know this has been going for years. It is now to fruition. We're ready to realize this. As Silvius said, that will put filing a BLA in the third quarter of 2027. And then because we have RMAT designation from the FDA. We will have priority review that would hopefully give us a BLA approval in second quarter of 2028. So this is now -- we've been talking about it for years. This is now a real term, near-term opportunity for the company. So when you look at the size of the market, it's not just the U.S. The U.S. has 3 million people with back pain, Japan is $14.9 million. Those programs are -- those geographies are on partner right now. So we're planning and Marcelo come up here in a little bit and talk to that we will either find a strategic partner that will help us penetrate that market sooner or we will go ahead and commercialize ourselves and maintain all the value for Mesoblast. The side Europe is just as big as the U.S. And we are already partnered with Grunenthal, which is one of the top 2 paying companies in Europe. And we will receive milestone payments as well as royalties from them, and they will take the data from the Phase III trial that will complete next year and work to get EMA approval in parallel with us working with FDA to get approval. So this is real term, not just in the U.S., but there's also the opportunity with our partnership with Grunenthal to expedite getting approval in Europe and treating even more patients. So why is this such a big problem? Well, at about age 18, you lose your [ note ] core cells that help build the body from ability all the way through the end of adolescents. As those go away, the ability of the disk to repair and regenerate itself becomes less. So from 18 on, we're all degenerating and our spines are getting worse over time. At some point, the inflammation will become too great. It will start having pain. The disk will start [ being ] down. And so it is a constant downward trend that we're on. And so by treating with cellular therapy, we're putting the cells back in there, we're giving any regenerative potential that will respond to the inflammation. It will tamp down the inflammation, prevent the end growth of the nerves and the blood vessels that then will reduce the pain, and we've seen pretty tremendous results, as I'll show you. So what are the options right now? Why hasn't this been solved? This has been around for decades. Well, there aren't any really good treatments right now. So the patients that have that first flare of back pain They'll get treated probably by themselves initially take some advils, [ some ] believe or -- and then if it continues for a few weeks, they'll go see Dr. [ Belen ] go, "Hey, doc, they'll go see their primary care physician, they'll prescribe them some NSAIDs and [ seniliphysical ] therapy. By that point, if they are not better by the 3 to 6 months, they're probably not going to get better with those therapies. So the only options then are opioid analgesics, which have huge complications. We all know about the opioid crisis that was largely fed by use of opioids for treating back pain because they have no other options. These patients are coming to Dr. [ People ], please help me, help me get my life back. And what are you going to do? You don't have any options. Then the other options are unproven, unapproved interventional therapies. They're just grasping as strong to try and find some -- and then at the other end, it's surgery. And about half of the surgery, the patient is still in pain after they've had a major invasive surgery. So there are no good options for these people. Once they get past being an acute back pain, if it doesn't resolve, there is nothing for these people. So we're going to be offering a non-opioid, nonaddictive treatment for pain that these people have, no hope for otherwise. So in our last Phase III trial that we've completed, we showed improvement in the mean change in pain, which is the standard way most drugs are approved for treating pain in all subjects at both 12 and 24 months. But what we saw, as I said a little bit earlier, in the patients had a shorter duration of back pain. So they've been dealing with it last time, we saw a significant enhanced response in the people that receive a master cell with HA, the red line on the graph here. And what you can also see in the green line is the control it was an [ intradiscal ] injection of sailing and the response you see on that is about the same as what you would see in an opioid that was studied for 3 months. They haven't even been studied opioids for longer term and the effects of that are unknown. We know that with opioids, they will develop hyperalgesia. And so they won't be as effective over longer periods of time. So we beat a very [indiscernible] with the saline and the trial we're doing now, we're doing a sham injection. We actually believe that the injection of saline probably was a week therapeutic and added to the benefit in the controls. So with the shame, we actually think that the control response will probably be less in this trial while we anticipate that based on what we've seen in both of our trials that the cells with the HA will maintain the response we saw. If that's the case, we have a very high probability of hitting our endpoint of mean change in pain at 12 months. We've already hit once. FDA has agreed that that's an acceptable endpoint for this trial and for approval. So we just have to wash rents repeat here. We are not breaking the ground. It's just proving that we did it once, we'll do it again. So the other thing that was really interesting is that in a quality of life measure, we saw substantial. You see the P values are huge, particularly at 36 months where they improve their quality of life, and it's a measure of mobility, self-care, usual activities, pain and mental health because that's the sort of quiet thing about these patients. Because they have no hope, their mental health gets worse and their relationship suffer. It is absolutely devastating. And what was absolutely amazing at 12 and 24 months, we had 2/3 of the patients had no or slight problems in all five domains. So they basically went from having significant quality of life problems to having no problems. We're talking about remission for pain and remission of quality of life problems from a single injection for up to 36 months here. That is absolutely remarkable. We're talking about remission of something these people have had for up to 5 years. So where do these people go now? So most of the patients, they'll go to their primary care physician or they go to a pain specialists or anesthesiologists for initial diagnosis. And once they get past that sort of acute back pain phase, those primary care physicians will refer them to people like Dr. Bill to just manage their decline. That's what we're talking about. It's almost like cancer where you're just managing their decline because there aren't any other options. So we're really meeting a huge unmet need. And in market research, we did over 50 pain specialists, 85% of them said they were likely to use and prescribe remestemcel for treating their back pain patients. So you can see that this is something that the doctors, the patients are begging for. This is not something that we're going to have to push that they are going to pull this because they need it. They have no other options. So when you look at the market, about 35 million people in the U.S. have back pain. Of those 21 million have associated with degenerative disc disease. So they've had a disk at least one, if not more, that are generated that are the source of the pain. Of those, about $12 million are moderate. And if we conservatively estimate that have back pain with moderate DDD and less than 5-year duration. It's about 7 million patients. That's a very conservative estimate of our addressable market. If you -- we believe, based on the market research we've done that if we can show the benefit that we've seen in the previous trial, you'd be looking at a price point of about $20,000 and speaking with medical directors of over 20 payer groups. They've set a price point of $20,000 would be very reasonable for the benefit you'd be seeing. And with 85% of the pain specialist saying that they're willing to prescribe it. If you just get 10% of those 7 million patients, you're talking about a $14 billion opportunity. which is massive. And that is just the U.S. It does not include Europe, does not include Japan or the rest of the world. So I'm pleased to say we are going to complete enrollment this month. We're very excited. We're very positive and confident that this trial is going to be successful. So that really puts us on a very defined time line. [ Thinner ] is not guessing of when we're going to be done. We know when the time points are. So last patient will be consented this month. They'll go through the screening process and get treated probably midyear this year. And then that would give us a primary endpoint and no -- the top line results of the trial in mid of 2027. That would put BLA submission and we're going to talk about the -- as we talked about the LVAD, that will help a lot of the work to go into the BLA submission will have already been done. It's the same product with just some minor differences that we need to update for our BLA submission. So we think we can do that very rapidly submit that in Q3 of 2027. And with the RMAT and priority review, you're looking at approval in Q2 of 2028. So this is now very real term, very near term. And I'm going to turn it over to Marcelo to talk about the commercial.

Marcelo Santoro

Executives
#21

Yes. So the question now is how do we launch this drug, right? And we need to be prepared. Two launch, we want to do it ourselves. And again, CLBP this opportunity is transformation, not only for the patients, but also for the company. There is no question about. I hope you're all as excited as I am when I hear what it can do for patients but also the potential for $14 billion revenue. This is really at another stage, if you will, right? So what we'll do is, I mean, we're 12 months away from data readout. So we already started the strategic work, the HEOR work, health economics, the value proposition development. Obviously, the strategic portion of the work has been started as we get closer to data readouts, we'll start engaging with payers, we'll start engaging with physicians to be able to really develop this market, right, disease awareness, right? And eventually, we'll launch the drug. The launch -- my proposal is a launch phase launch based on milestones achieved. So in other words, Phase 1, we'll go to the most productive accounts, pay managers represents a lot of this market, 90% plus, right? We'll have limited consumer type of engagements, limited contracting with payers. And that's the launch. At some point, we achieve some milestone, and we're talking billions, right? We go to our second stage of the launch where we expand. We expand to primary care physicians, great source of referrals every single pay manager in the U.S., a greater ability to negotiate into contracts with payers as well as more consumer direct engagement. And then at some point, and again, we're talking multiple billions. We'll have a conversation again on does it make sense to go to direct-to-consumer to expand the uptake even further. I've seen this happen. I've done it multiple times before. At some point, in the U.S. market, it just makes sense to engage the patients. So the patients have a chance to seek for this treatment with the trading physicians, right? Obviously, maintaining the share of voice, obviously, optimizing the contracting situation with payers. So that's our go-to-market plan for CRBT. And again, super exciting next opportunity for the product. So with that, let me ask Silviu to come back to stage for our next steps.

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#22

Thank you, Roger, and thank you, Marcelo. Very exciting. I'd like to invite Dr. Doug Beall, please to this stage. Beall it's a principal investigator in our most recent trial and is experienced across this industry is the #1 in this industry. So let's get some of his insights. Thank you. I'd just like to start by asking you to give us a little bit of your sense of some of the patients that you've treated, particularly in our most recent Phase III trial that preceded the current trial. I know there are patients in various parts of this country that came to you and maybe you could give us a sense of how they were when they initiate the trial and then you follow them up over several years, I think.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#23

Sure. This is a huge patient population. In all due respect to Roger, you have 7 million people with chronic low back pain, there's no way. it's that few. I mean, so look across this room of young, healthy, good-looking people. How many of you guys have had back pain, right? I mean look, it's lifetime debilitating incidents of back pain is 80%. 80%. So these estimates are based on things that are using [indiscernible] razor to the degree, and it's all the way down to 7 million people. I mean, this is something that -- the way that I categorized the trial is this is a friends and family members trial. Right now, I'm on my 60th clinical trial. I started when I was 5 years old and this is something if you were to ask, if you were to come to my house for Christmas, you would see people that had cellular therapy of the disk. And it's because it doesn't really affect old people. It's not like a lot of things we do. It doesn't affect people that are 85 years old, walking like this, it affects the only healthy people. I mean degenerative disease and discogenic back pain is a disease of 18- to 40-year old people. I've had people that wait until they get -- until their 18th birthday to get into the trial. And this is -- it takes people robs of their prime of life. The example about Roger gave about getting -- same people in the airplane, absolutely. You can't sit. You can't drive for very long. You walk into the exam room and people are standing up. And it's one of those things. I mean, this is a blinded trial. But when they come in for the follow-up, they see me down the hole. Dr. Beall, I'm doing great. I'm great. I have no pay. Yes, there goes to blinding, right? So -- and I did -- and based on the time line, we're here Q2 of '28. It's about time. I was interviewing Fox News a couple of weeks ago. And they said, "Oh, I heard the person that I treated says, "Oh, I'm doing great, is a local attorney. I do great. I have no pain. Dr. Beall injected me 9 years ago, I had to think in 9 years. It's been 9 years in regulatory, but the BLA pathway is a very high bar. It's difficult. But by the same token, if you clear that bar and clear with height to go, you're going to tap into a market that is absolutely not only massive, but this stuff just works, right? It just works. And I've got personal experience with it. There's not surprisingly to me, I don't think there's anybody that's done more cellular therapy of the spine in the world than I have. And I started doing it barely. I love it. It's super common. [ Elias Zaroni ] used to say. He was my chair at Hopkins when I did resident. He's a former Director of the NIH. You want to research something, Doug, do something that's common, make a difference. And he did it with the heart I'm dealing with the spine and this is something that we're very near towards the finish line. And man, it is about time because this is something that people need. This is something people here in this room needs. You don't have to tell me. I know because I do something radical, like actually see patients and practice medicine every day. And this feeds everything else we do. So this is something that I appreciate being here. I'm headed to the Barcelona over for stem cell conference over there and get invited all over the world to talk about this stuff, and this is the lead marquee for cellular therapy. This is a leader. This is the opening slides of what I talk about. And so thank you for making it all possible.

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#24

We really appreciate you being here actually. So I think you've touched on an important point. Not all stem cells are the same, right? We've taken great, great care and focus to do the right thing here to do the randomized controlled trials to get our manufacturing right to work with the FDA around regulatory. We've demonstrated and get products across the line because of our rigor manufacturing. And I think that's ultimately, we've got to sell that is well characterized, it's reproducible. And importantly, you want to know that every vial that you get guarantees the exact same dose, the exact same product and the same potency. So with that in mind, can you sort of just touch base a little bit on the supply chain, given the volume of patients that you see, you probably -- you felt ourselves, you know how they come, you know how easy it is to [ tore ] them and draw them and use them. Maybe talk a little bit about that, how you see this as being a an easy-to-handle product that you would have readily available either provided in real time on an [ ASM ] basis or perhaps if you had some storage facilities that you could keep the vials.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#25

Yes, it's not a barrier. It just isn't. The due that they came in, FedEx box big, like a small refrigerator, that was way back when. And even that wasn't a barrier. Staff kind of looked at it and they took the cold pack homes so they could read them at the lake and the weekends when their ice chest. But what we have now is not a barrier at all. But for me, knowing exactly what you get is huge. So let's take BMAC, for example, you ask somebody's bone marrow and you get it back in the disk. Even that works pretty well, not nearly as well as directional master cell, but it works reasonably well. But what do you get? You're getting maybe 1% or 2% as you can get a lot of everything else, including white cells and everything in there. But to be able to get an off-the-shelf allogeneic dose that's consistent that I know is going to produce. And I know a lot about the cell and it was engineered specifically for this reason. It regrows cartilage. It re-grows also, it can regrow bone. It can recur blood vessels. So this is something that has a certain degree of potency beyond just regrowing cartilage. So this is -- and you give a dose of 6 million cells. We don't give a does in [indiscernible] we don't give a dose of 1 million that's been tried. 18 million wasn't quite as good as 6 million. Maybe just lower Manhattan, a little too crowded. People are fighting over resources and we know that giving it with the carriers a way to go, the care provides a little bit of life to the cells, provides a little bit of water in the Gobi desert. And it's a better thing. And this combination of 6 million cells with HA as a carrier, that's a secret sauce. And it was mentioned about the placebo, saline. Saline sailing is not a placebo. I used to use saline as an active treatment. It washes inflammatory meteors out. It hydrates the disc recent it objectively resets the data potential you get inject saline in a desk, you get 40% pain relief at 1 year. The problem is it fades off very quickly after that and the patient, what are they going to do? But we've known this. I mean, in the '90s, we used to inject saline into the disc as an active treatment. Suddenly, the regulatory is since COVID, they're all new. They have no institutional memory in there, but also use a placebo, and -- but that bar has been cleared, and that is not an insubstantial bar. That's the wall that most people end up against. And there's a ton of really good therapies that have gone in the disk to die right there. Good friend of mine. [indiscernible], he says, the disk, where most good therapies go to die. And this is -- that has been true. I think I've been through 12 clinical trials, testing out various sundry things for the disk and all of them done at the end. So this would not only cleared the bar, but you can just see it even in Phase II. We started watching this thing shortly after Phase I Phase II [indiscernible], who's a good friend of mine and colleague as a primary investigator in that. It just to quote him. He said, "Man, this stuff just works. And so that's -- it's one of the things that is going to be interesting to see how this is used, probably be overutilized, frankly. But in my world, my buddy from Jersey calls it three wax in a back, meaning three epidural injections and fusion surgery. And I talked to Blue Cross HCSC. This is my local Blue Cross, Oklahoma, Texas, Montana, New Mexico and a few other areas. And this what compare this to the landscape. And remestemcel compared to fusion surgery, which is its only viable competitor works 2.5x better. It's 5x cheaper, no incision or downstream [indiscernible] disease, no recovery. I have no idea how you guys are going to make up an excuse not to cover this. And it's not the first time they've been in front of them. They've rolled their eyes and they expected that. Thank you, Dr. Beall was appropriately condescending to them. But this is something that is -- but the way is paved. We are now teaching. I will teach tomorrow. And last weekend, I taught how to inject the disk because people are prepared for this. Not only do you have the product, you have to have a way to get it in spine. And I call -- every time I talk to my colleagues, I said this is the decade of the anterior column because that's where the disc lit, that's where the pain is. 70% of the pain comes from the anterior middle column. But hardly anything we do traditionally treat an tier calling. You're doing rezoned branch blocks for back pain. Yes, that's 20%, 30% of most -- what about the other 70%? So finally, this is the decade of the anterior column. Finally, we are going to be able to treat people the [ bilnd ] share of people for their back pain next to the common cold is the most common cause of a doctor visit. Huge problem.

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#26

I think we're all celebrating here. All of us with the kind of back problems, how do we get this product. Look, I think this has been extremely helpful and we really appreciate both your enthusiasm and your work with app programs, and we look forward to a great result and then working towards how we're going to educate the rest of the physician community.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#27

Well, on behalf of people I see on a daily basis, and I'll run through to people a day, most of those will have exactly something that this can treat on behalf of these people, thank you.

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#28

Now we'll move to a whole different program which is the use of our product, remestemcel for inflammatory cardiovascular disease. Let me introduce Ken Borow, who is Head of the Cardiovascular program.

Ken Borow

Executives
#29

Thank you, Silviu. All right. Let's talk about the magnitude of the problem as well as the opportunity. So chronic heart failure is it has a rising incidence of high morbidity and mentality. Cardiovascular associated inflammation is the leading cause of death in the United States. Think about atherosclerosis, okay? #1 [indiscernible] really in the U.S., okay? Ourselves are extraordinarily capable of dealing with the consequences of that disease, and I'll tell you more data. Now heart failure in the U.S. is projected to affect more than 7 million people by the year 2030. Approximately 50% of these will have heart failure with reduced ejection fraction. That's bad pump heart failure, so about 50%. Chronic heart failure is a progressive disease with mortality that approaches 50% at 5 years and at least 75% after initial hospitalization. This slide looks a little bit busy. Let's make it simple. Okay. The heart failure program has two components. One is the Dream heart failure program and the second is the LVAD program. The difference between the two, the DREAM program are patients who are -- have established disease, established heart failure. And at the same time, they are not at a point of being a candidate for a leftie assist device, okay? So that's the DREAM program, right? And then the LVAD program are those dream patients who have progressed to the point that they need an additional therapy, which is implantable left ventricular assist device. That's an [indiscernible] all right now. For both of those programs, the cells that we use have the same formulation. We use the same dose -- and the potency assay for the product is the same for both of the indications. So for the pre-VA patients as well as the LVAD patients. The MPCs are injected into viable but dysfunctional myocardium. They are activated by local cytokines in the heart. Silvius talked about that in his earlier presentation. And the MPCs exert anti-inflammatory neovascular and immunomodulatory effects. And what I'm going to show you is that there have been successful outcomes of the same as 150 million cells that are injected [indiscernible] okay, in both of the programs, the DREAM program and in the LVAD program. This is some data from DREAM. And the cells significantly reduced cardiovascular deaths. That's the Y axis in patients with inflammation, okay? And the p-value was 0.003. You can see -- sorry about that -- you can see the control patients over a time point of 5 years, just have a step-wise increase in badness. Okay? More and more patients die from their disease. In contrast to that, the cells over the course of 5 years have a marked reduction, and this differential between the two 2 continues to grow out to 5 years. Now this slide is a slide that I'm particularly favorably inclined to. This shows in the DREAM trial, the event of the cell on two point, so that as time is been for [indiscernible] MI or heart attack, or a stroke. And that's the data that I'm going to show you in panel A. And then 3-point MACE, which is the time to first event for a myocardial infarction, stroke or cardiovascular death. Okay? And this is in all patients, and I'll show you the data in all patients and then subgroups with inflammation and subgroups with ischemia plus inflammation. So let's start with the 2-point MACE which -- okay. So this is for all patients. You can see that this is statistically significant. This is MI stroke, okay? When we look at the patients with inflammation, okay, the -- we go from a treatment effect of 50% to a treatment effect of 75%. And when we go to the patients who have inflammation and ischemic etiology, we end with an 88% reduction in myocardial infarctions. So think about the patient who has had a heart attack and has a bad pump has a bad left ventricle ventricular pump, okay? When you tell them that we potentially have a therapy that can decrease can decrease the likelihood that you'll have an MI or stroke as a complication of your intrinsic disease and that will certainly worsen your heart failure and make [indiscernible] okay, by 88% is quite remarkable. So that's the 2-point MACE site. And I should mention that both 2.0 and 3-point MACE are well-established endpoints in clinical trials of all kinds of therapies that have been used for establishment of standard of care. All right. Let's talk about the B panel, which is 3-point MACE. Okay. Here we see all patients and that's a 27% treatment effect. So this is above and beyond the control. Again, the control is a sham procedure that is conducted during the time that the patient either receives the cells or a mark procedure for administration of the cells. For the inflammation group, the 27% goes to 37%. And then for the ischemia and inflammation group, it goes to 52%, 52%. Okay, keep that number in mind, 52% -- this very busy slide, okay, has some very important messages. The slide itself looked at standard of care, okay? So the whitish and blue roads are standard of care and then the dark blue at the bottom are the cells. If you look at the risk reduction, so that's this column, the average risk reduction for the guideline-directed medical therapies is 10%. Okay, this is for 3-point MACE standard entity, 3.8 MACE time to first event MI stroke cardiovascular death. In contrast to that 10% average 52%. We're talking about a more than 5-fold improvement on top on top of standard of care on top of this 10%, okay? We basically build the 10% to 52%, quite remarkable. Now I want to mention one other thing that the data that I showed you here was published in the European Journal of [indiscernible] which is a very prestigious cardiology journal. The first author on that paper was Dr. Emerson Perin, who will be part of our fireside chat group, okay? So he's got a lot of experience many, many types, but he really knows the DREAM program well. Okay. So let's look at the addressable market size. Conservatively, I think that the -- we started off with a 6.7 million patients who have heart failure. Patients who have bad pump heart failure, heart failure reduced ejection fraction is about 50% of that number. And then we have, at the very bottom for patients with heart failure with reduced ejection fraction and ischemic etiology to their heart failure plus inflammation. It's around $1 million. I think that's probably conservative. Okay? Now if we talk about a sales price of $150,000, remembering that these patients are not only surviving, but they're surviving with better quality of life because they're not having the hospitalizations for MIs, stroke, things like that, okay? So the sales price of $150,000 would be supported by the data that I just showed you from our DREAM study. And the potential annual revenue would be greater than about $15 billion. If we just assume a 10% penetration. Okay? And I'll say again, 88% reduction in MI or stroke, patients are going to want to be lining up for this therapy, okay? So we're assuming 10%, 10% will give us a $15 billion yearly revenue. All right. Now let's go and shift to our LVAD program. So we're going to be looking now at end-stage chronic heart failure with reduced ejection fraction in patients who were given in LVAD. And LVAD is essentially a cannula is placed in the bottom part of the left ventricle, it goes out into the chamber. And what it does is it sucks the blood that returns from the lungs to the left side of the heart, the oxygen blood through the cannula to the pump and then it goes up to the aorta and out to the body. So it can take a patient who has a poor cardiac output, a poor amount of blood lean pump to the body and goes ahead and makes it something that's much more functional, okay? So despite an LVAD in the left ventricle, progressive right heart failure continues due to ongoing inflammation of the right ventricle. What this means is the left ventricle doesn't get blood. If the right ventricle doesn't get it to the as long so they can return to the body to the left ventricle, there's nothing to pump. So it becomes a progressive problem for these patients. So progressive rate heart failure occurs in about 15% to 30% of patients and is the primary cause of multi-organ failure and death. A further complication of right heart failure is potentially life-threatening major mucosal bleeding, predominantly gastrointestinal that's seen in about 30% of patients and is the main cause of recurrent hospitalizations. In this slide, let's just look at a couple of quick takeaways. okay? This is from the INTERMACS left ventricular assist device registers a national registry okay? And what this shows is that for patients who have moderately severe rate heart failure, they have a 28% mortality rate, okay, at 12 months. a 24% incidence of first-time GI bleed at 12 months. So both of these are major problems okay, that the underlying patient population to get an LVAD face. Okay. So in our LVAD study, the cells in these end-stage patients with left ventricular assist devices are injected at the time that the LVAD is implanted in the operating room. So it's a single procedure. The cells are injected, the operation is done, and that's it. Okay? And then the data down here, which the data down here show you just bar grants looking at the major mucosal bleeding, GI bleeding. And what you can see here is for the control group is in red, and the cell group is in blue. And we have a p-value that is highly significant at 6 months. So we get a marked reduction in this GI bleed kind of problem. At 12 months, it's sustained, okay? And it's still twofold with a p-value of 0.004. And part of that reduction is due to the control -- the control patient is actually dying. So they're not around to go ahead and have an event. Okay. So now what's our tactics and strategy that tie the DREAM program together with the LVAD program, okay? We're about to file with the FDA for full [indiscernible] of the cells in patients with LVAD. Okay. The filing is based on GI bleeding. I showed you some of the GI bleeding data, being an FDA acknowledged indication and in addition, we have an [ orphan ] drug designation, which has a number of beneficial effects from a regulatory perspective. And the orphan drug designation is for GI production and GI bleeding. The FDA stated preference for randomized controlled trials has resulted in usable seeking a full FDA approval pathway with the benefit that an additional confirmatory trial is not required. So we can get into potential approval on the trial that we have, the data that we have. The FDA approval of the cells in patients with LVADs will facilitate subsequent approval, we believe, of music list pre-LVAD program, our DREAM program, okay? Chronic [indiscernible] patients. But rather than starting from scratch with a submission, it would be a label extension. So that has a tremendous advantage when the time comes for the pre-LVAD population. Okay. So let's look at what the addressable LVAD market is. again, start off with about 6.7 million patients with heart failure. By the time you get down to the real world the real world has somewhere in the neighborhood of 2,000, 3,000 LVADs that are given per year. The sales price at a sales price of $200,000 or a price of administration of $200,000, which would be supported by our Phase III results. And again, the justification is a reduction, amongst other things, of cardiac ICU hospitalizations, reduction of bleeding events, et cetera. The total addressable market potential is about $400 million. And this is a market that initially could be justified across 190 LVAD certified centers in the United States, okay? So a big opportunity, and we're only beginning with it. All right. Now we're going to turn from this presentation to a fireside chat, Dr. Emerson Perin from Texas Heart Institute, who again was the lead principal investigator on the DREAM-1 trial. and Dr. Eric Rose, who is one of the foremost authorities in left ventricular is devices will be part of the panel. Thank you very much.

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#30

Thanks, Ken. That was very exciting introduction to the whole space. Delighted to be here with Emerson and with Eric. We've all been in this field for a long time. But I think we're there. So Emerson, I'd like to ask you, first of all, you were the principal investigator of the DREAM trial of 565 patients, a very big trial in this space. And you saw just some of those data, and you were, of course, the lead author in those major publications. Just talk to us a little bit about what you thought about the data and about the technology and where we're at.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#31

Yes. So one point I want to make is I looked at the favor parter on the titles, it is inflammatory heart failure. Well, if this audience is full of cardiologists, they'd be like, what do you mean, okay? So the word inflammation is not part of the lexicon of heart failure in the mainstream cardiac world. So all these drugs that we have, [ Entresto ] and [ core ] and in Sprint, they address one half of the problem, which is the maladaptive changes that happen when you have heart failure. Your body tries to fix it and -- but there's a bunch of bad things. So we have different medicines, beta blockers and things that help kind of undo some of that damage. But the real problem of heart failure is not the maladaptive changes. What starts heart failure is inflammation. What keeps heart failure going is inflammation. We have never treated the other half of heart failure, which is inflammation. So this is sort of a paradigm shift that everybody is sort of coming to terms with. You look at these data that Ken was showing you. If you look at those data that Ken was showing you, [indiscernible] point it's ridiculous. Should this be -- of course, this should be approved already. Why is it not approved because we're just not ready, right? The world hasn't been ready yet. The FDA hasn't been ready but they're ready now. And I think to make myself feel a little bit better, I think about ACE inhibitor, which are common drugs approved in the mid-2000s for heart failure. They started investigating like [indiscernible] back in the '70s. So when you think about the first in capital Australia I think it's 2007. So it's been about 20 years. So we're going to get there. We're ahead of schedule. And these data that are obviously overwhelming. They were very positive. We know the recipe. So this is one problem as the whole development of the field is we didn't kind of know how does this work really think well maybe there's some math going on there's a with these sales specifically from real classes. We have been able through the [indiscernible] to reverse engineer the plan very elect what the mechanisms are. of event -- and I can consist here in his view how important an or and drilling that estimate this happens so we can understand what's going on. And now we have treated that is extremely powerful. And but it looks like control -- and which comes nation and the cell to identify the patients that have met. Well, what happened is the control people get treated and we look at them through the study. And when we people with two had 4x mortality than the people that did. So we know that these cells are treating inflammation. [indiscernible] you're only going to get this treatment patients have a -- and 52% reduction when we're talking about a your in. We're talking about 10% reduction -- we're totaling 50% -- 80% in production in part -- so this is a matter of time. We've got the what we're doing now -- and it's exciting. I think the world, the FDA everybody ready to treat probably most important [indiscernible] 1 that you the rely actually probably in [indiscernible]

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#32

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Unknown Executive

Executives
#33

[indiscernible]. I could not part of the hospital on the day patients are getting treated so there was a true firewall, but between the people that knew that we're doing the and treating patients. And then the people who screen patients are going to follow them up. So the community is true blinded the patient. We did it all management the patients that didn't get the treatment. We put a we have eventual and we put these in the many strategic way and so everybody has all the going there a picture that you fill -- so everybody, they got the catheter in the picture and then the down and we actually injected the sale in terms of the we just sat down and did injection number one, completely. So the patients at the time, and they didn't really have no clue because at -- there is a complete, very well-executed blindsided all kinds of all. And 587, you can't fake result in 587 patients. I mean in our Phase II trial, where we figured out that 150 million cells was the right dose, there were no events in , there were no events in the people that got 150 million cells. And you think, well, okay, we're a little lucky. This is 60 patients. It wasn't that much. Okay, this is $587 million the results are amazing. They speak for themselves. And so this is just at a time now where with some open-mindedness and straightforward thinking this should get approved. And it will help the people die of the #1 cause of death in the world. I mean, so I think that's another barrier because heart failure is a high bar. It's a big problem, and it's the thing that kills most people. So, oh, we have to be really careful to approve something that we could treat everybody with.

Suowei Wu

Analysts
#34

So you saw that the reduction in heart attacks of 88% was I think there was a significant reduction in the entire study without any kind of subgroup analysis, does that sort of outcome surprise you? And does that sort of outcome tell you that this is a technology that is going to make a big difference on that basis on that trial?

Unknown Executive

Executives
#35

So Ken was on the phone -- I almost fell out of my chair the blind the committee, the safety committee that guided the DREAM trial, we wanted to keep going because I wanted more data. And this whole study with all the follow-up, the mean follow-up is about 3 years, but it took like 5 years to do this. But I wanted more patients because like we need to know more and all that, and they said, "Listen, Dr. [indiscernible], a fantastic guy, the head of the Montreal Heart Institute, and he says, he without telling us very much as you have all the data you need. And it's like just stopped the study and like, okay, yes, sir, we'll stop the study. So we that's right. That was just on heart -- and then we looking -- and it's complicated to look at a study like this, and then you tease out the things and you figure out the mechanisms. And so it just makes so much sense. And so now we're introducing this concept to the cardiology mainstream that we're now able to treat heart failure, not just with all the drugs that like everything that we do, and I see heart failure patients every day. And that's -- we give them all the drugs and yes, it makes them better, but there's the whole other half that has not been addressed and we can now do it and people just like it's unbelievable to see these patients doing better. I mean it's incredible.

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#36

That's great to hear that. On that note, let me shift to Eric because I think it's -- the theme is the same theme. We've got one product. That product has been, as you call it, engineered. We have proprietary ways of manufacturing it that is -- that optimizes the product response to inflammation and has a similar effect across the spectrum. So not only do we see a reduction in these major events in the inflamed patients in the DREAM [ drop ], but we saw the same benefits in a way in the VAT population. Eric, of course, is the world leader who was responsible for getting the first FDA approval for permanent use of an LVAD device in patients who are the typical heart failure patients who then progress from advanced stage to end stage. And otherwise, have a 50% 1-year mortality on medicine treatments. So Eric Champion that. And despite his clear demonstration that you could increase survival by putting one of these devices in, it's pretty evident that the field has not dramatically moved forward and the number of devices that is still pretty low. And I wonder if you could comment a little bit on the progression of right heart failure disease and how you think our cells might have had a benefit on the results that we showed.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#37

Thank you. It's clear that cells and two randomized trials, improve [indiscernible] heart failure and decrease the incidence of GI bleeding, major [ mucous ] bleeding, almost all of just GI. That's clear. The reason is probably improvement in RV function, which we've also demonstrated into randomized trials as well. This was work that was done actually as part of a grant that we got at Columbia when Sylvia and I were there to look at the human biology of long-term mechanical circuitory support. When we first reported this trial, everybody was disappointed because we were not able -- we were hoping we administer ourselves and get people off LVADS. That proved the bridge too far. But as we look closely at the data, it's clear that patients who get cells who have pre-existing inflammation in particular, do better with the LVAD in, which arguably may make LVAD therapy safer and better for a larger number of people. The biggest problem with LVADs still is the perceived quality of life that these patients have. But I think if you end up hospitalized for bleeding [indiscernible] heart failure or die during the early period enthusiasm for them is minimum in the cardiology community, which is why there are only 2,000, 3,000 implants per year done in the United States. That being the case, though, this is a perfect orphan scenario in which to pursue an FDA approval now.

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#38

It's -- I guess, we were surprised and really a little bit late in our thinking process. But in fact, the difference between the LVAD patients versus the pre-VAT patients is that the left ventricle is protected and is dependent on artificial device, but the right ventricle isn't whereas the pre-VAT patients, both metricals are at risk. And I guess this is an experiment of nature in a sense where these patients have a progressive disease of the right ventricle that injection of our cells, which we injected in the septum, facilitated an improvement in this population, but it's really a continuum from the other patient population. So what's your view of the two randomized controlled trials that demonstrate kind of a continuum and a similarity in terms of mechanism?

Unknown Executive

Executives
#39

Well, I think before I comment on that, I also think it's -- I want to acknowledge Silviu's role in this because Emerson and I were both speaking about a meeting that we had years ago. This product was initially licensed to Cephalon, about 15 years ago in that range. Very enthusiastic CEO, Frank Baldino who paradoxically died due to acute leukemia, about 6 months after they took on DREAM population and the DREAM trial. And those early trials use MACE as the primary endpoint. I forgot about the Phase II showing 0 events, which an equal 60, you say, maybe this is luck. Silviu somehow the drug ended up with Teva, at a time, yes, have acquired Cephalon. But Teva a generic drug company that had no business in a cell therapy indication to begin with, screw this up so badly, it's amazing. They changed the primary endpoint to this ridiculous joint reality thing, which works fine for the other half a non-flame path of -- yes. Well, Silviu, and I joined his Board at this point. reacquired the asset in the middle of the trial, which I think is hierarch. At the time, I thought maybe it was crazy, but it was a rock. And I think the availability of the DREAM data could only been realized with that kind of courage. And I think you deserve enormous credit.

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#40

Well, look, I appreciate you saying all that. But I think the message really is this is an incredibly powerful technology. And how else can you get a powerful technology that's new and first-in-class to patients into the market if you don't go for it, right? And you don't really know the power of something like this until you actually try it out. And I think that's the message in the cardiac space. I think it's also the message in have approved product Ryoncil which, without the fortitude of people here in this company and without all of the -- frankly, the agendas, the table amongst regulators I would never have seen a lot of day. And I think this is what you got to do to bring new technology first-in-class. You just got to keep going for it and trust your scientific rigor.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#41

I think the other group, we should acknowledge the patients that agreed to these randomizations. And we have an obligation to them that goes beyond any primary endpoint. The reason that all these trials are designed to measure a lot you would think would be to look at other data besides the primary endpoint in order to see whether or not there is something else learned. And these examples, there's plenty learn. Plenty. And to say that these trials are failures is ridiculous, especially when they relate to improvements in mortality of a hot [indiscernible]

Unknown Executive

Executives
#42

Yes. So a quick story about that. So when we got the data from the DREAM trial, again, it's a fall off your chair kind of result. So like we put this [indiscernible] together. And I said it in the New England Journal of Medicine, okay? Well, what happens? Well, because of all the shenanigans that the primary endpoint got changed and so originally, it was a -- so we'd be here on a very extremely positive trial, but it got changed to recurrent hospitalization. Well, are the cells diuretics are they decongested treatments? No, they're anti-inflammatory. So guess what, we missed although people dive less and had less heart attack and stroke, we missed the primary endpoint that you have to put in because of how things are in science that's established. And so I get it back in 3 days later from the Lion Journal of Medicine. And that's how silly some of the academic world we live. But the results you can see them. Yes, now we know the recipe. I can with my blindfold on, I can put on the primary endpoint for the low confirmatory trial that we'll do and then we'll be fine.

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#43

So to Eric's point, this is really all about patient right, and it's about making sure that we can deliver therapies today, which are life-saving and not 5 years from today and how many patients would die waiting for these therapies. And that's what this is about. They deserve it.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#44

And they deserve not to wait another 5 years to have the dream population benefit from this therapy. I think that's still a pipe dream. And I think that's the reason the company has to persist in pursuing both indications, both in the LVAD patients where there's evidence of improvement of morbidity and the patients on orphan population, but the bar is -- the regulatory bar fortunately, is lower, Ken got the RMAT designation for that indication, and I think we should go for.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#45

And I can't use the language up here, but we're some persistent guys. Yes. I tell you what. Patients are lined up for this. I mean we're ready to get you to get this thing approved. We're finally ready. The regulatory environment is good. we're on our way and lets us get this thing going. And we will revolutionize how heart failure is treated.

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#46

Thank you. And thanks to you to both of your giants in your fields. Thanks.

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#47

Let's shift again and now talk about some of our other opportunities of label extension, particularly in the pediatric rare disease space. Michael Schuster, please.

Michael Schuster

Executives
#48

Well, thank you, Sylvia. As Dr. Kurtzberg indicated earlier today, there's certainly a large number of applications in the pediatric orphan space where Ryoncil could potentially be effective. And our objective is really to leverage our FDA approval of Ryoncil and identified new pediatric label extension indications. And I'll talk today about the first one that we'll be advancing with into the clinic. So Duchenne muscular dystrophy, what is it? It's really a disease of inflammation with a very large unmet need. It's a genetic X-linked disease, meaning that it's a disease that impacts young boys. And it's a disease in which the muscle lacks dystrophin. Dystrophin is extremely important because it's a stabilizing protein essential for muscle strength. There's about 15,000 of these children living with Duchenne muscular dystrophy with 500 new cases each year in the United States. The symptoms typically developed by the age of 3 to 5 and when the underlying inflammation continues to advance in the first decade of life and the skeletal muscle dies off, it's replaced with fat and fibrosis and it results in loss of ambulation or the ability of these children to walk and by 12 years old, the majority of these children are all wheelchair bound. And soon thereafter, they'll develop respiratory failure and cardiomyopathy with a median survival of only 24 years. So it's really a horrific progressive disease. And the only therapy that is somewhat effective is steroids that has been shown to delay the loss on time to ambulation and actually improve survival. But even steroids, their improvement plateaus after about 6 months and as we know, long-term usage of steroids has some serious side effects, just one of which is the stunting of growth, which, as you can imagine for boys entering their teenage years, height is extremely important. In fact, some of these children choose to go off of steroids. Now one would have thought that gene replacement of dystrophin could have perhaps been curative and makes sense, replace the missing gene. But unfortunately, it's only been able to show modest effect. And I think that's due to a number of reasons. Firstly, the dystropin that is upregulated on a skeletal muscle is actually viewed as foreign and there is an immune response. So it suggests inflammation is even more relevant to this disease than one may have initially thought. Second of all, about 20% of all Duchenne muscular dystrophy patients have pre-existing anti-AAV antibodies preventing the administration of the gene therapy. Those that do get the gene therapy will then develop these antibodies preventing repeat administration. So when this is taken together with the high dose of AAV resulting in liver toxicity and more recently deaths. This is accounting for why the uptake more recently has been limited with gene therapy. So we really view DMD as a revenue growth opportunity where we're able to leverage Ryoncil's anti-inflammatory mechanism of action. We've shown that Ryoncil has been proven to be very efficacious and safe in pediatric steroid-refractory acute graft versus host disease following steroid resistance. Now graft versus host disease, as we know, is really a disease of massive inflammation of cytokine storm, and we're able to shut down T activation and proliferation. These are the same modalities that are involved in the progressive nature of DMD. And we've been able to show that Ryoncil still has now demonstrated benefit both alone as well as in combination with gene therapy in animal models of DMD. And because of this, when we take the totality of the Ryoncil safety dossier, the BLA package that supports the manufacturing robustness and potency assays, combined with the preclinical data we've been able to now receive IND clearance to proceed directly to a registrational trial that will allow us to extend Ryoncil label, if successful, for the treatment of ambulatory patients with DMD. Now these are young kids we're going after, 5 to 9 years of age. And the reason that age group is critical is because that's where inflammation is maximal. Inflammation increases in the first decade of life but then when the muscle is replaced with the fat and fibrosis, inflammation goes down. So the science drives us to actually want to intervene where inflammation is maximal. And our objective is to intervene before the patients have lost the ability to walk. We want to make a real difference and delay, if not reverse the likelihood of them needing a wheelchair. And ultimately, we'll be able to label extend into DMD will allow us to maintain the existing Ryoncil pricing structure. And similar to steroid acute refractory graft versus host disease a relatively small number of centers, about 38 certified DMD centers in the U.S. account for about 50% of the market opportunity. Therefore, Marcelo's existing commercial and medical infrastructure can be leveraged to support a commercial rollout once approved. Now our proprietary Mesoblast MSC technology has been shown to improve muscle function in Duchenne mice. These are MDX DMD mouse models. And we've been able to show the down regulation of T cell, macrophage and neutrophil immune activation pathways. So we're able to inhibit T cell activation and proliferation. We're able to take M1 pro-inflammatory bad cells and convert them into an immunomodulatory cell types. These are the same themes you've heard Roger and Ken talk about mechanistically, this occurs across all of our diseases. In addition, we've been able to show an increase in muscle regeneration pathways. So despite when we administer Ryoncil alone, we're not able to increase dystrophin we're actually able to increase regenerative pathways of the muscle and improve muscle contractility. And taken together, this resulted in animal models and improvement in exercise-induced muscle fatigue. So just to show you one piece of data in the mouse model, this is Ryoncil reduction of serum creatinine kinase. This is a biomarker that is used clinically to show the progression nature of the disease. So higher amount of serum creatinine kinase activity reflects muscle damage. So as you could see in these mice, on the left-hand side, these are the DMD mice alone. On the right-hand side, these are the DMD mice that received [ prime ]. So we're able to significantly reduce the amount of CK release over a 2-week period, bringing it back to near normal levels. Now we've also been able to show that metas proprietary MSC technology when combined with a micro or subtherapeutic dose of distro, gene therapy has demonstrated additive benefit in Duchenne dog. So a larger animal model. And we've created a composite score index that includes a variety of components such as mobility limb function, muscle atrophy. Basically, quality of life assessment for dogs was developed a 0 to 30, 30 being the worst quality of life and increased severity of disease and the lower score is better. So the DMD dogs that have not received the MSC therapy over 2 years have a very high severity. Yet those dogs that received the MSC therapy over 2 years have a very low severity of score. And what does this really mean? So let's look at the video. So the upper panel will be the video of the DMD dogs without the therapy and the lower panel video will be the DMD dogs that received the Ryoncil therapy. This is 8 months post therapy. So you could see in the upper panel, the dog that received the DMD dog without the therapy, it's walking very slow. It's lethargic. It doesn't look that healthy, has to be [ coworse ] to move, clearly, not in great shape. Yet the dog on the bottom is able to run very firstly faster than I can even talk and it's clearly much healthier looking. So it really suggests that we're able to improve muscle function in these animals. Now we've been able to show a wide variety of other factors as well. We're able to improve and demonstrate that we're able to inhibit T cell activation in these dogs. And importantly, these dogs over 2 years have cardiovascular deficiencies that were able to completely reverse. So taken together, when -- again, when we combine the safety profile of Ryoncil with the preclinical data, we've been able to advance directly into a registrational Phase III trial where we'll be targeting children age 5 to 9 years of age for Duchenne muscular dystrophy. This will be a randomized controlled study, 76 patients, 1:1 randomized. The group that receives the treatment Ryoncil will receive 7 infusions over a 9-month period compared to placebo control. We'll be enrolling patients 5 to 9 years of age. Again, those are the patients that have high levels of inflammation as Dr. Perin indicated, inflammation is important. And we'll be taking all comers. So patients could have had gene therapy or they could not have been candidates for gene therapy. All patients must have had steroid exposure for at least 6 months. So we want to make sure that initial approval hump, the initial benefit of steroids has been met. And essentially, what we're trying to accomplish between the inclusion exclusion criteria is to capture patients who, despite maximal medical therapy are still declining, which unfortunately, in the real world is the majority of these children. The primary endpoint, which is an FDA validated endpoint will be 9-month change in time to stand velocity. So basically, the kids are playing flat on the floor, and we time them how long it takes them to stand up. And that has been shown to correlate with the delay in time to loss of ambulation and ultimately survival. And we'll be performing this study in collaboration with the parent project muscular dystrophy and patient advocacy. And this group was paramount in helping Sarepta obtain approval for their gene therapies, and they'll be helping us with patient identification and trial awareness in the community. We expect this trial will take approximately 12 months to enroll. And the prevalence of just this 5- to 9-year age group is about 2,500 patients and again, with 500 new patients each year. Therefore, we think this is a $1 billion annual opportunity. But just bringing it back to the patients, we really believe that this is an opportunity to -- if Ryoncil is approved to really make a difference and offer potentially disease modification in these patients. So with that, I think I'll stop and Dan Devine will now talk about some next-generation MSC therapies.

Dan Devine

Executives
#49

Thank you, Michael. Good morning. I appreciate the opportunity to present to you. My wife told me not to be sarcastic, Don't try to be funny because I'm not and keep it short. I could promise the last one I will follow, but don't mistake the brevity of the presentation. It's not correlated to the value of these technologies for the company going forward. So Ryoncil has actually set a new bar for everybody in the industry, and it's reinvigorated interest across the board. It's been truly revolutionary. And we want to leverage that revolution to create long-term value. So we -- the way we view it is we're moving from revolution to evolution. And that evolution includes incorporating new technologies into our platform. And the way we do that, we focus on two areas. We can increase the targeting of our cells. Right now when they're administered IV, they go to a lot of places where there's inflammation. We can put a binding more on the cell to bind to specific antigens. So that's very important. And secondly, we can increase their potency. And I'll talk about those 2 in a minute. A little of course. The two technologies that we've acquired, our CAR MSCs developed at Mayo Clinic by [ Dr. Kandarian ], who's here today; and oncolytic virus delivery with MSC developed at Baylor. We're looking at IND in about 24 months. What is the car MSC? So Car MSC expresses an antibody binding mode on the surface. That triggers an intercellular pathway to enhance potency. Basically, we home sells directly to target tissues. And when they get there, it triggers a reaction inside the cell to produce desired molecules. The technology was developed by [ Sad Kandarian ] and -- had cold this week. I'm sorry about that. And it can be plug and play in the sense that we could pick different antigens to target, including CD19, ECAD, [ COLT ], we won and others. And we could choose different pathways within the cells to trigger depending on the disease indication. Again, we're looking at an IND in Mayo within the next 24 months. The second product, the first product we have CAD Car MSC. So this product is -- you will be familiar with the company that in the past, we had a product for Crohn's of unmodified cells. In this particular case, we believe that the car modification can take those positive results and exponentially improve outcomes. If you look at the panel on the right, that is the presence of ECAD CAR MSCs in inflamed colon. Compared to the left, where unmodified cells are present but not nearly as much in number. So you're looking at a 10- to 20-fold increase in the presence of the cells with better outcomes. So we're very excited about that technology. This is an example where we can take a current product that works in the clinic, make it better, have better outcomes, have a lower dosing and as a defensive matter, that means anybody who's coming behind us is going to have to reach a new bar therapeutically to be successful and overcome our leadership position. So we're very excited about that. in addition to its own effect, the MSC, when it is in those tissues, it also reduces harmful CD3 T cells, and it increases the presence of positive acting CD4+ T cells. The second product we're looking at Mayo is a CD19 CAR MSC for lupus and nephritis. This is an indication. The last indication was an example where we could take a product that could be treated with first-generation MSCs but we think we could get much more potency, lower dose, better results for patients. This is an example where we could take our MSCs and deploy it in a field where we frankly haven't considered using MSC therapy because of the more specific targeting. So this has a CD19 antibody fragment on the surface of the cells that can bind to B cells that are at the heart of the pathology of lupus nephritis and other immunological disorders. And when it binds to the B cells, it triggers the release of molecules that change the activity of that B cell from negative to positive without killing the B-cell. This is important. I think some of you may be familiar, there's been green reports of CD19 CAR T cells in the clinic, which have been very successful in Phase II. But every time they talk about the success of those products, they talk about the safety problems with those products including [ Sinocom ] storm release and the fact that they eliminate the B cells, so you put the patient in an immunocompromised state, and it leads to infection. MSCs do not have those safety issues. In addition, the CAR T cells are really singular in action, whereas our MSCs not only act on the harmful B cells but they also inhibit CD3 positive T cells and recruit and induce [ Treg ] cells. So they have multiple mechanisms compared to the CAR T they'll be much more safe. So we're really excited about this indication. And as I mentioned before, this is an indication that we couldn't go after without this technology, so it enhances our competitive position. expands our patient access. So that's the CD cars, and we'll talk about that in the Q&A after this presentation with Dr. Kandarian. The other platform that we have is for the delivery of oncolytic viruses. If you looked at clinical trials in 2022, 2023, there were 400 oncolytic viruses in the clinic. Today, there is one approved product. And one of the -- there's two reasons for that. Number one is when you administer an oncolytic virus, not surprising, it gets negated by the human immune system. So it doesn't last very long. Number two, there's no specificity in its delivery. So it has a lot of off-target activity. What researchers have found at Baylor College of Medicine is that if you load MSCs with the oncolytic virus, they can protect the payload and deliver it to tumors because they home to inflame tissues, and we go after hot tumors. So the MSCs like a Trojan horse, they protect the virus, they home to the tumor. Eventually, the MSCs will die from the virus being payloaded but that's a good thing because they deliver the virus to the tumor, then go away. This technology is really very exciting. There's a lot of papers in this space but we found the most advanced technology in this space has been developed at Baylor by Malcolm Brenner, who is very well known in the oncology cell therapy space. The lead product that we're advancing at Baylor is a product that expresses cytokine and IL-12. It expresses a PD-L1 checkpoint inhibitor. And it also expresses a bite which causes or facilitates the homing of the virus to tumor cells, binding to tumor cells and bringing in CD3 positive T cells basically recruiting the immune system to the tumor. So this product for us is actually -- has for mechanisms. Number one, it has the cytokine. Number two it has the checkpoint inhibitor. Number three, it has oncolysis and number four, it has the buy specific T cell engager molecule. So we're taking an oncolidvirus, adding three mechanisms and protecting the virus with our cells for delivery. So really potentially valuable option for cancer patients. And this is certainly an indication that even 5 years ago, Mesoblast would not have considered would be possible with MSCs, but we think it's not only possible, but we're looking for a 90 in the next 12 months. the payload that we're evaluating a prior version of that has actually been in the clinic and there's data there, got responses of 5 out of 7 patients but not surprising, it had to be administered intratumorally it couldn't be administered IV, which caused Baylor to reach out to us and ask if we want to partner around use of MSCs to deliver the virus. So next slide. So you've heard a lot today, Silviu, you started off by saying we're the leader in this space. Everybody says that. But I think the presentations that followed show that we are a leader in this space. And that was not easy for a lot of people. Eric pointed out at Silviu's role in persistence and staying around and this is a little bit emotional for me because I've been here 20 years, but that was a hard road. That was difficult. There were a lot of people who are very critical, skeptical and even active negative during that time. But we persisted and we got to approval. And that type of experience does two things to people. It either makes you tired and want to retire or do something else or go away or just avoid the pain. But I think we've embraced the pain and we've taken that, gotten stronger. And the other thing that can to people is make them very resilient and resolved to be successful. And I think you saw that in the people today. I think that's a common characteristic of everybody who comes to work at this company. So when we look at our competitive position, we're not very happy that we're the leader. I'm not very happy about it. I'm not comfortable that the gap is wide enough between us and the others who are in this space and the more people who are coming in because we've been successful. I think by securing these two technologies, we really put ourselves in a position that 5 and 10 years down the road, I don't care what MSC you're developing. You don't have a car MSC where you don't have an MSO delivery. So the first generation, our goal, Michael, is to put first generation 10 years from now as first generation and focus on second and take the competition away. And not only that, but obviously, if we can expand our capabilities to cover things like lupus and cancer, that's obviously better for patients as well. The other thing I want to leave on is we understand fully that the focus of this company is primarily on commercial and is on our late-stage clinical programs every day. We don't have to be reminded, remind ourselves of that fact. So it's important not to distract our regulatory, quality, manufacturing, clinical folks on the new programs, and we don't have to because we're doing a Matt Bayler, and we're doing them at Mayo Clinic. This is really important not just from a management perspective, capabilities because they are the experts. So we're going to leverage that power that those capabilities those competencies going forward, but it avoids the distraction inside. The other benefit of doing it at Mayo and Baylor is financial prudence. They have all the infrastructure. They have all the laboratories. They have the staff, they have manufacturing. And it's a very different world than 5 years ago, even 10 years ago. when a university would license something, and that was the last time they were involved in it. I mean, Silviu, if we look back at MPCs or MSCs or other technologies, you take it in, in the tours, that's not really the way that things are working these days. We are truly partners with Baylor and we're partners with Mayo. So going forward, their contributions to the programs will greatly minimize the financial demands on our company. So they're not going to -- these programs, you haven't heard about them because they're not material to our cash runway and we don't have to disclose those. And I'd rather not tell people about them until the patent stays in place. Our competitive position stake is put in the ground and we've done that with these two technologies. So we filed a patent on MSC cars as early as 2 days ago as recently as 2 days ago, it enables us to talk about it today. the OV MSC IP is very long as well. So we're in a good position there. But again, I want to thank Dr. Kandarian for being here today, but that's just the beginning of our relationship. So we'll be working hard here over the next 2 years to get those products in the clinic. And for Dr. Brenner, I'll express the same sentiment when I go down there next month. So that's the end of my presentation. My group used to be called 2GT. I'm going to get a little bit revenge here for a minute. So we were called the 2GT group and then our Head of Manufacturing and his group came up with a new approach for manufacturing that has the potential of increasing our yield by sixfold, and he called it second generation. So not surprising, that title got taken from my group, and I was put ahead -- I was made Head of Special Projects and everybody says, what does that mean? And I say exactly. So a little bit stealth. I'm not used to talking and I'm used to being a little bit more secret about the function, but I appreciate the opportunity to see everybody here today and tell the story. Thank you. Silviu, do you want to bring it...

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#50

Thanks, Dan. If we could have Dr. [ Kenderian ], please. Dr. Kenderian is the developer of the technology from the Mayo Clinic that you just heard from Dan. So we're very excited about these technologies. And as Dan said, this is work that has been long coming from your group. And we're excited because you came to us, have identified us as a leader, which we are in the cell therapy space. We have had many, many technologies that we have evaluated. And of course, we decided that what you were doing is so exciting and gives us yet another trajectory and yet another arrow to our boat. I'd like to talk to you a little bit about the potential for using this technology in lupus, in B-cell autoimmune diseases. I'm a rheumatologist by training, and lupus nephritis has been a disease that's been really -- not much has changed in the treatment of lupus nephritis. It's young ladies often, young patients, terrible outcomes, kidney disease, transplants, high mortality. And we've had nothing in the armamentarium. Recently, the CAR-T developers have learned from the use of CAR-T cells for leukemia, B-cell leukemias, et cetera, and have adapted that sort of technology for B-cell diseases in the autoimmune space and the field has rejuvenated, but with potential downside. So I'd like to hear a little bit from you about why you decided that perhaps a superior approach might be to use the same technology, but harnessing the power of MSCs.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#51

Yes. Thank you, Silviu. We are equally excited about this partnership and about the potential for us to work together with CAR MSCs to take that to the clinic. I think what we see with when we incorporate the CAR into the MSC that we enhance 2 functions for the MSC that they home better to where they're supposed where we want them to go. And then with the signal of the CAR that will make them more immunosuppressive or that desired function that we want them to get to. I think for lupus, we are excited. As you mentioned, we are seeing now patients getting treated with CAR-T cell, for example, CAR-T 19. And we're seeing remarkable outcomes in some patients. I'm a hematologist. So in my clinical hat, I see patients that go through CAR-T cell therapy. And patients with autoimmune diseases, they come to our service. We have one cell therapy service and what we're seeing is unlike in cancer where we're able to accept cytokine release syndrome, neurotoxicity, the use of lymphodepleting chemotherapy prior to CAR-T cell therapy is common, is accepted. Patients with cancer commonly have received chemotherapy. And these toxicities are kind of like the bar is low for cancer, right? This is the last resort that we have, and we accept the risk of toxicities for autoimmune diseases, and as you said, when we have treating rheumatologists, the bar for accepting cytokine release syndrome, neurotoxicity for the patients, for the treating physicians is higher, right? Patients are not used to these toxicities. Even the use of lymphodepleting chemotherapy, higher doses of chemotherapy, patients are not used to such therapy. So when we use MSCs that are engineered with CAR19, we have the advantage that we're not going to see cytokine release syndrome and neurotoxicity. This is an allogeneic platform unlike the autologous complex platform with CAR-T, does not need lymphodepleting chemotherapy. And then there is no long-term side effects with CD19 CAR-T, patients have long-term B-cell aplasia and about 1/3 of patients have long-term cytopenias, long-term neutropenia, higher risk of infections and make them ineligible for future therapies, and that risk will not be existent in MSCs. In addition, CAR19 depletes the B cells, and that's what it does. What we see with the MSC is that there are multifunctions is through the incorporation of the CAR, we're able to suppress B cells. But in addition to that, basically suppressive cytokines, they suppress T cells. So they will be more effective in diseases that are not purely B-cell mediated. And you mentioned lupus nephritis is not necessarily purely B-cell mediated. People are surprised by the responses with CAR19. So we're very excited about this technology. We're excited about the preliminary data, and we're doing more studies trying to understand how we can optimize that and further advance it for lupus and lupus models.

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#52

Lupus and B-cell autoimmune diseases are an important part of our trajectory in terms of diseases that we'd like to target, and we look forward to collaboration with you in your lab and we'll be hearing a lot more about work with Saad in the future. And another area that I'd love to just touch on is a big space for us is neuroinflammation. And we heard earlier from Dr. Kurtzberg in children with neuroinflammation. We have an interest in Alzheimer's disease, in Parkinson's disease. I'd like to hear from you how you see potential targeting of the cells to the CNS.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#53

Absolutely. And definitely, these are areas in our docket in our list of diseases that we're targeting. I think Dan had mentioned in the pipeline, we have an engineered MSC with a CAR that targets is myelooligondrocyte glycoprotein, and that is expressed on the myeloid sheets. And now we have really encouraging data, very significant data in preclinical models of multiple sclerosis where these cells are effective in improving, completely resolving the phenotype of multiple sclerosis in mouse models as well as inducing the downstream changes of T cells and changes of the mechanistic pathway as we expect with these cells. So that's an area that we're actively pursuing. There is no reason why we can't see development of such a platform for other immune inflammation or degenerative diseases like Parkinson's or Alzheimer's. I think we know MSCs have multiple functions. They are important and powerful cell, and we know that we can enhance their homing and their function with the incorporation of the CAR.

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#54

Terrific. Just a flavor of where I think Mesoblast is going and why not only are we at the forefront today, but this type of technology gives us a 10-year runway to continue to develop, ensuring, as Dan said, that we keep our focus today on our lead programs and our commercial programs. But this represents where you can see the Mesoblast with genetic modification of our cells will continue to create life cycle opportunities in areas that are as big, if not bigger than the areas we've already targeted. So thank you very much. Look forward to working closely together. Thank you, I'd like to now ask Justin Horst, our Head of Manufacturing, to just give you a high-level overview of the -- what actually is a very complex manufacturing strategy that's in place, but Justin has got it all very simply under control.

Justin Horst

Executives
#55

Thank you, Silviu. Good morning. I'd like to take this opportunity to kind of talk through some of the manufacturing developments and innovations to support all these programs that we've heard about today, right? Obviously, we have an existing portfolio that's approved. We're looking to label expand that and extend into additional indications, and we have to be able to support that from a supply chain and commercial manufacturing capacity. This is a quick look at how we see these innovations in manufacturing that we've developed will take us to that next level of manufacturing to be able to support all these indications. So where we are today is with our GEN-1 platform. This is what we've heard about with the Ryoncil and the pediatric GVHD products that have been approved. This is a 2-dimensional or what we call a 2D manufacturing process. The cells are adherent on a culture surface. They are expanded through our proprietary and closed system manufacturing process. It's very controlled, very robust. And in fact, we've been manufacturing this way for many, many years. It's been very stable throughout the development of these programs, both MSCs and MPCs, and it's gotten us to where we are today. So this is our kind of base level Generation 1 program. A little bit of the thunder that Dan stole from me earlier is what we call our Generation 2 platform. And this is actually based on some work that came out of our bioreactor programs. We found a proprietary recombinant growth factor supplement that we can add to our existing platforms and boost our output by about sixfold. This comes through increased expansion of the cells and also shortened duration of the culture process. The advantage here is, obviously, we can plug these into where we are today. It's a process that's already been inspected by the FDA. So we're able to leverage a lot of that. And really, we're just simplistically putting a frozen growth factor supplement, adding it to existing medias and existing cultures. This has given us a tremendous increase in the output of the cells and also reduced costs, obviously. We've also demonstrated that this is able to sustain and maintain all of our critical potency aspects for the product. So we put this through the validated methods that we use for Ryoncil and the other programs and demonstrate no difference in those products that are produced. Stepwise, next step of that is once we've generated all these extra cells, we need to be able to actually get them cryopreserved and frozen and stored quickly. So this is what we call the downstream portion of our manufacturing process. The upstream is handled by this growth factor supplement where we see these significant increases in yield. And now we actually need to be able to handle these cells and get them efficiently through into a frozen state. This is not an easy process. As we talked about and you see some of these indications, right? We're talking about millions and millions of patients, so that translates to millions and millions of vials that need to be handled. We've been working with some partners to establish a downstream automation pipeline that can feed into our existing manufacturing platforms and handle these cells. So this will significantly reduce operator manipulations, the manual handling that we have to do for this, reduce some of the variability of that process as well and ensure that we have a consistent and robust way to deliver these cells. So these are all activities that we can do in our existing facilities, in our existing platforms with minimal additional modifications needed. So to this point, I've talked quite a bit about scaling up of our manufacturing process. We are also looking at scaling out of our manufacturing process, and we are working currently with partners here in the U.S. to establish or onshore those manufacturing capabilities here in the States. This will help secure that supply, ensure continuity, also quite significantly reduce some of the cost of goods associated with transporting products across the globe to distribute them here within the U.S. So that is also actively underway. And then lastly, we've talked in the past quite a bit about a 3D or suspension bioreactor program that we have. This has been kind of a long-running program with the organization. And ultimately, where we do see the programs heading towards a really significant commercial scale manufacturing platform. This will even further reduce the COGS and also increase automation. It will remove quite a bit of manual intervention and operators, which, again, translates to a consistent product and a cheaper product. Just quickly, I would like to touch on then how we're going about this and how we're actually managing this and managing this with our milestones that we hit. We can't just run out and establish a new manufacturing process without proper milestones in place. So first and foremost, we are continuing to support and supply our commercial product for Ryoncil for pediatric patients and then the near-term label extensions that you guys have heard about today. So that's our key position. We are, I think, well positioned to supply those products commercially for these indications with the existing platforms. But then again, we do have the second-generation platforms that come in, utilizing these growth factor supplements where we're able to significantly reduce cost of goods, also increase the supply from existing manufacturing facilities. So this will be a much more efficient process as those are introduced. And we're working to actually introduce this in the next 12 to 18 months. This will depend on a case-by-case scenario as to how it will be introduced to the regulators, whether it's through clinical studies or through post-approval changes. I mentioned again, the automation. So we need this automation to match our production scale as we increase, and we've been working with partners as well to sequence this to match our commercial milestones. So we're not just running out and implementing this today. This is a very well thought through process that's based on data-driven and where we need to implement this and when we need to implement this. So that's also an activity we see taking place over the next 12 to 18 months. And then lastly, we are working towards validating our Generation 1 manufacturing processes here in the U.S. and onshoring some of that manufacturing. Again, this helps derisk us from tariffs from import and some of the other current geopolitical challenges that are faced with this. So we are currently working with partners. This is probably a process that will then be a post-approval supplement to add these additional sites to manufacture here in the U.S. So those are kind of a high level of our activities for manufacturing. And I think with that, I will transition to Jim, who's going to speak about the financials.

James O’Brien

Executives
#56

Hi, everybody. I'm going to spend a couple of minutes talking about our current financials and our strategy going forward. We reported this week net revenues for our fiscal third quarter of $30.3 million. In February, we reported our first half results, where we had reported $44 million of gross profit on Ryoncil, and that had $7.7 million with of direct selling expenses to it. Our net cash usage for the first half of the year ending in December was $30.3 million. And at the time, we messaged to investors that our spend in the back half of the year will be lower than it was in the first year. So our cash burn is actually going down. as receipts for Ryoncil go up. And as a result of that, we'll be using less cash in this back end of the year. We've really implemented a cost disciplined approach so that we're really matching what we're receiving in from Ryoncil to what we're spending. And along the way, we are still supporting the clinical trials that we've talked about today, our BLA filing and maintaining our commercial inventory. We have $130 million of cash on the balance sheet at the end of December, a very strong balance sheet. We also entered into a new term loan, $125 million term loan at the end of December, retired some debt, and we'll draw another $50 million on that later this year to retire all of our debt. So after June, we will have no current debt. We've got a 5-year term on it. It's a very flexible balance sheet to be able to work with all the programs that we've talked to you today about. From a strategy standpoint, I just wanted to emphasize a couple of points. We're looking at various ways of making sure that we fund the company, most importantly, on a nondilutive basis. We're matching our cash generation to our cash spend. We've already messaged to the markets that we expect full fiscal year net revenues to be between $110 million and $120 million. Our costs are well controlled. Our margins are really terrific. We're very pleased about that. And as Marcelo mentioned, we're looking to target to double our revenues in Ryoncil. We have a long-term debt facility, which I will also mention that it carries only an 8% interest rate on it. It doesn't encumber any of our assets. to then be able to get into other partnering discussions and licensing that we're active with, with Michael and I leading the charge on that. So we're looking at other ways of bringing sources of cash into the company to fund our needs. But I want to make a point very clear that we're very cost disciplined, making sure that we're not overspending where we need to be and really preserving our cash balance sheet. With that, I think I'll turn it back over to Silviu, who's going to just have some closing comments.

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#57

Thanks, Jim. We really are financially disciplined company, and I think that's the message that you're all hearing. But really, what I'm excited about, I think you're all excited about, we've heard some fantastic data today and some real aspirational stuff. What are these MSCs? What's the magic? What makes these cells so special? Well, they've got multimodal anti-inflammatory mechanisms of action, which means they can currently act on multiple pathways of the immune system, not just one. When they're inert and they're self-regulating. So in the absence of inflammation, there's no adverse events. There's no safety issues. These features result in superior efficacy without any concerns of off-target adverse events that are typical of small molecules and typical of antibodies. So this is a paradigm shift in drug development, precisely what the pharmaceutical industry is concerned about off-target effects, which forces them to go down very narrow paths is exactly what we don't have. We have a product that is multimodal, does not have the off-target effects, and we can take advantage of those multimodal pathways to deliver outcomes. The body is not a single pathway individual, right? We are all complex. These cells are able to respond and in a complex way, turn off disease states. The platform technologies that we've developed can be leveraged, therefore, across many indications with high unmet needs that are not accessible to other drug developers. There's no requirement for matching or immunosuppression. These cells are highly expandable and scalable. This was a feature of the cells that led us and drove us to build a manufacturing process that underpins a business model that's sustainable. And the industrial scale of these cells give us a sustainable, high-margin business model that can only improve with the innovations that you heard from our Head of Manufacturing. We've developed a moat, meaning we've developed an entire strategy around what sets Mesoblast apart and protects our market leadership position. We have a global intellectual property portfolio of more than 1,000 patents that provide us with commercial protection through greater than 2044. We have a dominant IP position, protecting a cell type whose unique properties underpin a scalable commercial business model. But we have a first-mover advantage, and this is really important. We have the first and only FDA-approved MSC product. We can take advantage of that. We've completed large U.S.-based randomized clinical trials, which provide evidence of efficacy. You heard some of these today. We are the benchmark in complex manufacturing with IP protection with significant know-how with FDA alignment. We've demonstrated that FDA alignment, scale of capacity and ability to leverage. In addition to that, you've just heard the tip of the iceberg today about next-generation technologies that we're accessing and rolling up in order to enhance our leadership position and be able to develop new products moving forward for the next decade to continue and separate us from the rest of the pack. And these allow us to move into new areas that we haven't even talked about yet, including, as you heard today, lupus nephritis, a major disease of unmet need including potentially areas like Alzheimer's disease and other neuroinflammatory conditions and interestingly and excitingly, potentially even cancer. So we have some major anticipated upcoming milestones that I think I want you all to focus on because that's where the business is. That's what we need to deliver in the short term. We have milestones for Ryoncil, our FDA-approved product, and some of those are commercial and some of those are clinical and strategic around label extension. For Ryoncil, our commercial milestones, we talked about our net revenue approaching $100 million just since recent launch, but we have a plan to double that revenue. And you heard what that strategy is from our commercial leader. In addition, we're well funded already to execute on our existing operational plans. And Ryoncil sales as they grow, will continue to fund our internal pipeline. Discipline. We're focused on increasing penetration of the pediatric GVHD market. We have to continue to grow. This product saves lives and physicians who use it will endorse it, and they should be using this as soon as they have an inkling that steroids are not working well. This product is the only approved product that saves lives in these children. And beyond GVHD, this product should be used more broadly in other indications. So you heard about our strategy to broaden it into use in adults who otherwise also have a very severe disease with a high mortality rate, a market that is 3x bigger than our current pediatric market. That program is in collaboration with the BMTCTN trial is initiated, and we expect it to complete somewhere as early as 12 months, but certainly not later than 18 months. And you heard today about the new area that we are looking at, pediatric Duchenne's disease, another devastating disease, where, again, inflammation is at the core, and we think we can make an impact. Moving on, the real growth potential is in our blockbuster opportunities of rexlemestrocel for BA and rexlemestrocel for heart failure. You heard a lot of discussions about those today, and we're extremely excited. Rexlemestrocel for back represents a blue sky potential that is really in front of our eyes. Here it is. We -- you heard that we're completing enrollment this month of our pivotal Phase III trial. That then starts the clock. you will have about 12 months to wait and the endpoint will be read out around the middle of next year. Every indication is that we'll be successful. We've had multiple trials that have successfully met the exact same endpoint. We're very success -- very, very optimistic and confident that we'll have a positive outcome. And if positive, we will have already preprepared most of the documentation for a BLA filing a quarter post readout. The reason for that, of course, is that all of the manufacturing and CMC activities are already underway and hopefully will have already been signed off by the FDA. The potential launch for this blockbuster product, which is really a multibillion-dollar opportunity for this company will transform Mesoblast from where we are today to something that is 10x bigger, maybe more. is an approval and potential launch in the second quarter of '28. And finally, our cardiovascular opportunity, you heard about today, we have a strategy in place to start with the orphan area at the end-stage patient population and then use that potential approval to move into the larger indication in heart failure for patients who really continue to have a devastating mortality risk. And on that note, I think we'll stop. We hope we've gotten you excited and teased you with some of the many opportunities in front of us. And maybe we'll start with some of the Q&As. Thank you. Paul, you might want to get people to ask the questions that we have a roving microphone, and I'll ask various people in the audience to then chime in.

Edward Tenthoff

Analysts
#58

Yes, Ted here from Piper Sandler. Can you talk a little bit more about that interim analysis for the Ryoncil trial? What kind of ORR do you expect from the rux group? And what kind of effect size are you powered to detect at the interim and at the final analysis?

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#59

Yes. I mean the final analysis is looking for a very modest 20-point difference in the day 28 response. I call it modest. the field thinks it's a very important improvement on standard of care. It was exactly the same endpoint that we used in the pediatric Phase III trial and exactly the same threshold, a 20-point improvement over other therapies, and we achieved it successfully. Dr. Kurtzberg was our principal investigator, and she can tell you a lot more about that. But -- so we're very confident of being able to achieve this. Why are we confident, as Michael tried to explain, it's because we're already treating the very patients who are not being adequately treated by existing standard of care, ruxolitinib, are precisely the patients who then come to us under expanded access as a last line of resort, having failed rux and maybe having failed other agents. And with a potential 25% survival at 100 days, in our EIND studies, we see north of 70% survival in those patients. So since we can treat them when they're already gone too far, the earlier we can intervene, the more likely it is that we'll see a positive response. So together with our BMT CTN collaborators, the protocol design is such that it allows the cells to be combined with RUX at the front end when a patient is not doing well, maximizing our chance that we'll see a treatment benefit. And look, the data tells you -- the data tells you why we're confident that we're likely to succeed. And so an interim analysis is great to put in place if you're confident about your own data, right? And that bar to achieve a successful interim analysis is not much higher than the 20-point delta. I think you mentioned it was 26 points. So if we can't do the 26-point delta, then we should go somewhere else. That's how confident I feel.

Thomas Shrader

Analysts
#60

Thank you for the remarkable day. I'm Tom Shrader from BTIG. I'm actually here for Julian Harrison. Will your current lower back trials support redosing? Is that something that you expect to be a heavy lift at the FDA? Or if somebody wanted it again in 2 years, would that be easy? And then for Dr. Beal, do you have a sense of any prognostics as to which patients do particularly well? And you also mentioned repair. Could this drug get a disease-modifying label? And would that be a big deal for pricing power and uptake? And then I have a cardiovascular follow-up.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#61

Redosing. It's not been tested. But the redosing and other cellular therapies appear to work about the same as the initial therapy. Let's say, I'm going to take another example. This is nonpublished data, but this is to be published data. Out of 100 people, let's say, 85% still do pretty well in terms of pain and functional response. For the 15% of people that don't do well, they can be redosed and ostensibly do about as well as they did the first time, which is pretty good. And when I say pretty good, the pain and functional improvements on the range of about 60% to 63%. In regard to -- let's see, redosing, what was the other question?

Thomas Shrader

Analysts
#62

Prognostic factors forortzole.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#63

Prognostic factors are people with back pain 5 to 6 years or less. And that's about it. If you separate in the Phase IIIa trial, if you separated the whole of the population between the ones that did better and the best, there was a dividing line of 68 months. And inside of 68 months, people did very well in the pain and functional improvements approaching 70% and that were ostensibly durable at 3 years. So what we consider with back pain, if they're durable at 3 years, it's ostensibly permanent. And it appears to be -- look, it appears to be like a regular disc. You can have a disc problem, it can heal on your own, you can do well. But any type of degeneration predisposes it for additional injury. So you can look at this as a speed to heal the -- and it can be injured, it can be retreated. And with every product coming down the pipe for the back, we always reserve the right for retreatment. The only exception to that is something called basal retteral nerve ablation, and that's a wholesale different animal in this.

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#64

I might just add to that, right? In addition to retreatment, the other big area for this product is static nerve injury. We've deliberately excluded acute siatic nerve injury from patients being included in our trials. So that's a whole other large patient population, as you know. And we're pretty confident that I think an injection of these cells is likely to have a substantial improvement in patients with predominant cytokine, right? The other way to think about this is once we get approval for this as an immunomodulatory pain therapeutic, the growth of this product in other areas that have similar pathophysiology like knee osteoarthritis is obvious, right? And we already have data that we've generated with the same product in patients with post-ACL injury, for example, who are at very high risk of progressive osteoarthritis. We've injected these cells into the knee joints in young, healthy athletes and shown that and published that over a 2-year period, we prevented progressive osteoarthritis and loss of function and loss of pain. So that's a whole other area that this product will have potential use for.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#65

And I was going to respond to your question about disease modification. So in the research we've done with the payers, they've said because everything else only goes out to 3 months, NSAIDs, opioids, they view anything benefit 12 months or beyond is disease modifying in their question. And so I think that's what's really driving their willingness to pay the higher prices as they see anything beyond 12 months with a single injection is disease modifying.

Thomas Shrader

Analysts
#66

Yes, it makes sense. And a quick one for Dr. [indiscernible]. We've had some hints about powerful anti-inflammatory drugs in cardiovascular disease, the CANTOS trial, things like that. And it's a vague question, I apologize. But in your -- the DREAM results are so remarkable. Are they more than you would expect for remodeling drug and then a powerful anti-inflammatory? Is it too early to tell? It's a crowded area. I'm just curious your thoughts.

Michael Schuster

Executives
#67

Well, that's a great question. So the interesting thing is there have been 3 trials of anti-inflammatory cytokines used and Doug Mann has led these CANTOS against IL-1 beta. The problem is that it's one thing when you use TNF alpha or IL-1 beta. So the beauty of these cells is they sit there with those receptors that got shown, IL-6, TNF alpha, IL-1 beta, all these things, the inflammatory cytokines plug into the cells and they activate. And now you've got a cell that's putting out dozens of medications. So instead of just treating it with one thing, the cells are now treating it with a whole host of things. And that's why these other trials have failed and the cells work because we're just giving a whole soup of stuff instead of just one product.

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#68

That's exactly right. That's what these cells do. That is core to the mechanism of action. These cells sit in these tissues in our bodies. They sit in the heart actually. And they call sentinel cells, and they sense inflammation. They have a whole bunch of receptors. What does that mean sensing inflammation? They're being activated by cytokine A, B, C, D, E, F, G, right? And when you're sitting in that cytokine storm, they get activated and they can respond. That's a living interaction between cell to cell. And that's what you don't have with any of the monoclonals that target just one cytokine. No one do they fail. This type of outcome is unheard of and will not be -- it will remain unparalleled because this product has unique mechanisms that are different from small molecules or antibodies.

Thomas Shrader

Analysts
#69

Unheard of and unparalleled, I like that. I thought I heard when you were talking about the pre-LVAD market strategy that there was an indication of a label extension. Do you feel comfortable talking about that and expanding on that concept?

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#70

Well really, what I meant was we see a continuum between patients being treated in end stage with an LVAD because they're really -- our cells are treating the only remaining ventricle that can be helped, which is the right ventricle, and it's clearly reducing right heart failure and the consequences of right heart failure, which is GI bleeding. And if we were to get approval for that group of patients, which is an orphan population, and we've had a successful randomized controlled trial. If we were to get approval, then that product, the exact product, the same dose formulation, potency assays becomes potentially a label extension strategy for other indications, particularly an indication which is a continuum of this disease, which is heart failure involving the left ventricle. And so this is our strategy to bring this cardiac product to the large numbers of patients who could use it.

Thomas Shrader

Analysts
#71

That's what I thought I heard.

Michael Okunewitch

Analysts
#72

Michael Okunewitch from Maxim Group. Thank you for putting together an interesting event and pulling back the curtain to show some things that we haven't seen before. I'd actually like to start off just on that topic, in particular, around the oncolytic virus program, given the activity in that space coming up, I think, later this week. So what causes the MSCs to actually localize to the cancer? How long do the MSCs reside there before actually being destroyed by the oncolytic virus and releasing it? And then is there any risk to having mesenchymal stem cells present in the tumor microenvironment given the anti-inflammatory effects?

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#73

Yes. I mean these are critical questions, and this is why this is a very early-stage program. This is early, early preclinical R&D. Having said that, there are dozens and dozens of papers in the literature for 20 years of various people using MSCs and the properties of MSCs to target drugs to target all sorts of things, including first-generation oncolytic viruses to tumors. In preclinical models, no evidence of downside. Why that should be the case is primarily because these kind of cells actually don't survive, and you wouldn't want them to survive, and they die within 24 hours. All they're useful for really is homing and payload delivery. So in this particular scenario, these cells are really fairly benign and inert and irrelevant. What's relevant is what's the payload that they deliver. So the studies that Dan is leading with really the world experts at Baylor is precisely what you've asked, right? How effective are these cells in delivering third, fourth-generation oncolytic viruses, which are not possible to be delivered systemically unless they're clocked. And so really, our cells are cloking agents that prevent these viruses from being destroyed by the host immune system for a very short brief moment while the cells take them to the tumors. And the viruses destroy the cell that got them there and then the viruses can do whatever they do. So look, we identified probably the #1 group in the country that's leading the charge in building genetically modified oncolytic viruses that express all sorts of things Dan touched on some of those things, but the traditional immunomodulatory agents, anti-PD-L1 and various other factors, IL-12, et cetera. We're leveraging the know-how and the expertise of the Baylor investigators. And we'll know from their studies whether our cells have -- are able to deliver outcomes that naked viruses are not able to.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#74

There's a ton of data on that I can share you, Frank Marini, who's a very well-respected oncologist at I think MD Anderson just published a review in 2025, and he looked at 217 MSC trials over thousands and thousands of patients and not one occurrence of any kind of contribution to an oncological event. So we've always known that, but it's incredibly validated that there's no issue. On top of that, Dr. Brenner is very cautious. So there's a suicide gene built into our oncolytic viruses that make sure the MSC doesn't in any way transform into something that sticks around for some time. So it's an incredibly -- we think it's an incredibly safe product.

Michael Okunewitch

Analysts
#75

Yes. Certainly very interesting. And then just on the topic of some of the newly announced programs. Within DMD, in particular, I'd like to see if you could talk a little bit about how you plan to contend with the potential presence of other cell therapies in that indication and how you plan to differentiate yourself?

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#76

We are differentiated. We've got the only FDA-approved cell. This FDA-approved cell should be available for patients with bad inflammatory diseases who have nothing else to help them with. And so that's why we're working with the PPMD, which is the advocacy group. They wanted us to do this study, right? Because they need something, they need an anti-inflammatory cell. So the FDA-approved Ryoncil needs to be evaluated to see whether we can improve outcomes. Nobody is looking at cell therapy in children 5 to 9 who have inflammation who need something to improve their muscle disease and prevent them from becoming nonambulatory.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#77

I believe there's a question on the phone line.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#78

Yes. We have a question from Edward Tenthoff with Piper Sandler.

Edward Tenthoff

Analysts
#79

I'm so sorry that I can't be there today for this inaugural event, really a lot of exciting data, and I echo Eric's words earlier about the long-term effort and persistence to get these therapies approved. I really feel like Mesoblast is like on the here of launching some really big therapies. And my question kind of has to do with that point. How do you fund the company kind of in the short -- in the intermediate term to [indiscernible] approved for chronic lower back pain? Is the plan to potentially partner one of these assets, whether it's heart failure and chronic, but how does partnering factor into the funding strategy for this really exciting late-stage pipeline?

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#80

I mean it's clear. we laid out today our confidence in using the revenue from Ryoncil, which is growing to fund internal operations. That's our #1 strategy. And we see our budget allows us to plan for that. And as we -- as revenues increase, then our investment in internal programs will increase accordingly. So that's our #1 strategy. We're well cashed up. We're well funded. We have important readouts coming up. So the back pain program will read out in 12 months. if positive, that will be transformational for the company. We, of course, have discussions on an active basis with companies that have substantial commercial capabilities in pain, in back pain, in inflammation, et cetera. Whether we take that product to market on our own or whether we co-promote and maintain a relationship with others who have bigger commercial footprints is something that we'll decide in due course. Certainly, in Europe, which is a very different category, it's a cemented geography. We've already chosen Europe's #1 or #2 pain pharmaceutical company, Grünenthal, to be a commercial distributor. And Grünenthal is awaiting with deliberate enthusiasm, the readout of this Phase III trial. They've got the footprint across all the major jurisdictions. And if it's positive, they'll be running to the regulator, they'll be preparing for appropriate launch and reimbursement discussions across the EU5 and other jurisdictions. But in the U.S., I think that we will evaluate the opportunities and the options when the trial reads out. With respect to cardiovascular disease, I laid out the strategy, I think, pretty clearly that we have a stepwise approach to approvals that start with the most extreme, severe end-stage patients and then build out towards the larger opportunities. And of course, to the extent that commercialization of the larger opportunity in Class II/III heart failure that will be a partnering opportunity. We're in discussions with some major strategic partners. But that heart failure program is, of course, you saw the numbers, that program will be partnered at the appropriate time to take advantage of the opportunity. Ted, does that sort of address the question you're asking?

Edward Tenthoff

Analysts
#81

Yes. Thank you very much.

Silviu Itescu

Executives
#82

Okay. I think there are no further questions. And hopefully, you guys have had an exciting time because we think it's exciting. And hopefully, there'll be a lot more questions in due course that we can address. Thank you, everybody, for attending.

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