MMG Limited (1208) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

October 21, 2022

Hong Kong Stock Exchange HK Materials Metals and Mining operating_results 27 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the MMG Limited Q3 '22 Production Report. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the conference over to Andrea Atell. Please go ahead.

Andrea Atell

executive
#2

Thank you. Hello, and welcome to MMG's 2022 Third Quarter Production Report Teleconference. This report and today's discussion cover the operational performance of MMG's assets for the September quarter of 2022. Joining us today are MMG Interim CEO, Mr. Li Liangang; and CFO, Mr. Ross Carroll; together with other ExCo members. I will now hand over to Liangang, who will discuss the highlights in the reports. After which, there will be an opportunity to ask questions.

Liangang Li

executive
#3

Thank you, Andrea, and hello to everyone who is joining us today. As always, at MMG, our first value is safety. Our total recordable injury frequency rate for the third quarter this year is 1.41 per million hours worked. I'm very pleased that we continue to rank right at the bottom for this index when compared to our global mining peers. Now moving on to the operation performance from different sites. In the third quarter of 2022, MMG produced around 96,000 tonnes of copper and 61,000 tonnes of zinc in what was our strongest production quarter of this year. Las Bambas copper production in the third quarter was around 81,000 tonnes. With the mine enjoying a period of relatively uninterrupted operations, we start -- dialogue tables with our neighboring communities continued. Mining activity was strong with a total material movement of 57 million tonnes, enabling us -- enabling some catch-up streaming activity and access to higher grade ores. Average recovery rate of the processing plant also increased to 85.6% from 84.9% with an ongoing focus on optimization activities. Regarding the dialogue with communities, I wanted to provide an update on these discussions. As you will be aware, our Las Bambas colleagues have been committed to working closely with the government of Peru and the community members to review all existing commitments. We have made significant progress in the dialogue process during the third quarter, reaching agreements with 4 out of 6 communities and moving towards the implementation of these agreements. Our discussions with the 2 remaining communities, Ferrobamba and Huancuire, are continuing to progress with the support of the government, and the process has been extended until the end of December. We are optimistic that more enduring agreements for the continued development of Las Bambas can be reached by that time. Looking towards the end of the year. Subject to no further prolonged operational disruptions, we now expect Las Bambas to produce around 250,000 tonnes of copper in concentrate for 2022. This exceeds the prior revised guidance of around 240,000 tonnes due to the quicker-than-anticipated restart in June following the community protest. We expect that the current strong operation performance will be maintained throughout the fourth quarter. C1 costs, however, are expected to be slightly higher in the range of USD 1.6 to USD 1.65 per pound. The higher costs are mainly due to lower capitalized mining costs due to a change in mining sequence to compensate for ongoing Chalcobamba delays, lower byproduct credits due to lower commodity prices and general cost escalation across energy, consumables and labor. Moving on to Kinsevere. Copper cathode production of around 15,000 tonnes was 19% above the second quarter of 2022 and also the strongest production quarter of the year. The better performance was driven by the ramp-up of mining activity and processing of the ore from the Kinsevere Central pit with improved average milled feed grades and reduced reliance on lower-grade stockpiles that impacted the first half of 2022. Processing plant performance remained strong with the average recovery rate increasing to 96.5% in the third quarter, above the 96.1% average in the first half of the year. We expect higher production rates to continue in the fourth quarter due to higher ore grades and stable recovery rates. Copper cathode production for the full year of 2022 is expected to be at the higher end of the guidance rate of 45,000 and 50,000 tonnes. In line with prior guidance, C1 costs are expected to be in the range of USD 2.5 to USD 2.8 per pound with stronger second half production partly offset by rising industrial costs. The Kinsevere Expansion Project is also progressing well. During the third quarter, we commenced civil works for the cobalt plant and are now manufacturing long-lead time equipment. Major packages for the construction of the concentrator and roaster have been awarded. Through this project, the mine will see a shift to the mining and processing of sulphide ores and the introduction of cobalt circuit, expanding mine life by 13 years and taking annual production up to more than 100,000 tonnes of copper equipment production. First cobalt production is expected in 2023 and the first copper from the sulphide feed in 2024. You may have become aware that following the earlier announcement in relation to Sokoroshe II and Nambulwa, we have filed an arbitral proceeding before the International Chamber of Commerce. Since the operation of Sokoroshe II and Nambulwa mining leases by the military forces and third parties, we were issued agreements by -- or issued agreements by Gécamines in breach of MMG's existing contractor rights. MMG is involved in regular engagement with Gécamines, the DRC government, the provisional government and also the Chinese Embassy in DRC. Due to lack of progress in discussions and the ongoing occupation of the sites, MMG is focused to commence arbitration proceedings in order to protect its interest. I will now move on to our zinc operations, Dugald River and Rosebery. At Dugald River, the mine achieved the strongest production in over 18 months with around 49,000 tonnes of zinc concentrate, 18% higher than the second quarter. Mining performance improved sharply, with greater workforce availability and a strong support from our mining contract partner as we transition towards the end of this contract and prepare to in-source development work from the year of 2023. In addition to the strong mining performance in the quarter, the processing team delivered a record-high zinc recovery rate of 90.1% as they continue to drive incremental improvements for various optimization initiatives. We now expect Dugald River to produce 170,000 to 180,000 tonnes of zinc in zinc concentrate in the full year of 2022. Meanwhile, C1 costs are anticipated to remain in the range of USD 0.85 to USD 0.95 per pound. At Rosebery, zinc production remained stable at around 12,000 tonnes, which was in line with the first and second quarters of 2022. Year-to-date production has been impacted by lower ore grades, which as a result of continuous resequencing of mining activity to manage geotech conditions in that mine. The geotech modeling and mining strategy review has now been completed. And towards the end of the quarter, mining grades and ore grades started to improve. Higher workforce availability also enabled us to maintain better compliance with the mine plan. This trend is expected to continue in the fourth quarter of the year. We now expect Rosebery to produce between 50,000 and 55,000 tonnes of zinc in zinc concentrate in the year of 2022, below the prior guidance due to COVID-19 impact earlier this year and the resequencing of mining activity in the second and third quarters. As a result of the lower production rates and lower byproduct prices, full year C1 costs for Rosebery are expected to be in the range of USD 0.25 to USD 0.35 per pound. I'm now happy to take your questions with my ExCo members. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#4

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Jack Shang with Citi.

Jack Shang

analyst
#5

I'm glad to be the first one to ask a question. Congratulations for a great -- for a good quarter of the results -- operational results, first of all. And a quick follow-up regarding Las Bambas. I see that the full year guidance has been revised up, but the implied 4Q actual copper output are still like over 10% below third quarter's level. So what -- but management also mentioned that you expect the current run rate or high run rate to sustain into the end of the year. So my question is, what are the considerations that the company hasn't really lifted the production guidance at Las Bambas up to, say, 260,000 rather than 250,000, so there could be more upside potentially from the 4Q production alone? That's the first question. A second one, a quick follow-up is related to the local community -- the negotiation with the local community. So assuming that we make some major progress, so what is the lead time potentially required for us to really mobilize the workforces to develop the Chalcobamba pit? So what's the lead time before Chalcobamba can actually take place? Yes.

Liangang Li

executive
#6

Thank you, Jack, for your questions. And I will have Mr. Wei, the EGM, Las Bambas, to take your first question regarding the production. And also, I will have Troy to take your second question in terms of the community. And Troy is now at Las Bambas.

Jianxian Wei

executive
#7

[Foreign Language] So the answer from Mr. Li's -- the reason rate changed in the guidance, the production, is because of the major focus we were aiming at. We would resume the operation in July. But in reality, we have resumed the operation in June instead of July. So the increase of the production for the guidance, this is the reason that we have changed the guidance or the production to the 250,000 tonnes of copper. But the rest of the indicator has remained the same with -- as major forecast.

Jack Shang

analyst
#8

[Foreign Language] So my follow-up question [indiscernible] production. Yes.

Jianxian Wei

executive
#9

[Foreign Language] Okay. The answer for the question is because of the Chalcobamba reasons, in the major forecast, we were assuming that in the first quarter, we will have a Chalcobamba for the production. But in reality, there is no contribution from the Chalcobamba to this year. And also, we have made some change in the mining sequence for the Ferrobamba. So the fourth quarter, the production level will be a little bit lower than the third quarter.

Ross Carroll

executive
#10

Jack, I think it's -- there's also a bit of impact of lower grade. And obviously, there's a little bit of conservatism in there as well because we don't know if and when the community issues can flare up again.

Troy Hey

executive
#11

And Jack, it's Troy here. Thanks for the question. The good news is, I think, we've begun the discussion with the Huancuire community around access and getting into Chalcobamba, which is good progress. It does depend in some ways on that -- how that agreement runs and how that negotiation runs about what our entry to the development of Chalcobamba is. And really until we reach certain agreements and [ stagger that ] entry, we won't know exactly. But it will take some time to get the access and infrastructure in place and mobilize contractors and then we would move to prestripping and first ore. So it's -- I think previously, we've said it's a couple of months from kind of getting a go ahead to really getting access to ore out of the mine, but it really depends also on how that discussion and on what basis we can do an agreement with the community.

Operator

operator
#12

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from Chris Shiu with Balyasny Asset Management.

Chris Shiu

analyst
#13

I've got a couple of questions. So the first one is regarding Kinsevere. So what exactly is Gécamines looking for? And I mean do you see any potential for escalation? Because we have seen in some other cases of companies operating there, like, for example, China Moly's Tenke project, the exports have been disrupted. So what are we seeing there? That's the first question.

Liangang Li

executive
#14

Thank you, Chris, for your question. I will have Nan, who's the EGM for Australian and African operations, to take this one.

Nan Wang

executive
#15

Yes. Chris, yes, we are aware of the directive given to Gécamines by the Inspectorate General of Finance to terminate contracts that are sort of older than 10 years and with insufficient work has been conducted. But this does not apply to MMG. As a company, so we're compliant with DRC mining code and then also conduct the works across all permits over the past 10 years. Also, the impact of leases are intended to be mined as part of the Kinsevere expansion project and then also as part of the future development of Kinsevere operation. So in terms of escalation, so we already filed the arbitration this morning. So we'll go through the due process. Yes. Thank you.

Chris Shiu

analyst
#16

Got it. And the second question is regarding CapEx. I mean is there any change to the CapEx guidance due to all these unexpected delays to projects and these issues? And also related to that on the financial side, I mean do we see any potential ways of minimizing the impact of rising interest rates on our financial costs?

Ross Carroll

executive
#17

Yes. Thanks, Chris. Yes, as far as CapEx, we haven't revised our guidance, but it's likely that we'll underspend a little there. But as I said, we haven't revised our guidance. And in response to the interest rates, we do have interest rate hedging on half of the LB debt. So -- and that was hedged at a LIBOR of I think around 2.5%. And then the other major lines we've got from China Minmetals and the majority of them are at fixed costs. So we're sort of reasonably well insulated against the interest cost. But obviously, there will be some impact there. But I said, particularly with LB, we've got half of that hedged.

Chris Shiu

analyst
#18

Got it. Yes. And sorry, just one last question. So is there -- are we seeing more potential M&A opportunities, I mean, given the tougher macro environment?

Ross Carroll

executive
#19

Not really, Chris, because I think the -- because the miners have generally had a pretty -- pretty good for the last couple of years, not too many of them are in sort of balance sheet troubles. So like in the past when there's sort of been downturns, people have had very stressed balance sheets, which led to some activity. And then the other reason why there's not a huge amount of -- or a huge number of M&A sort of activity going on is there's a lot of political issues. You've got tax increases in Chile. You've got the ongoing community issues in Peru. And then most of the other undeveloped coppers either in Africa, when you mentioned the China Moly issues in DRC, and then even right through Latin America, there tend to be sort of [ letters ] governments have been elected. So -- and I think also the fact that the price has come off so suddenly, it means that people then also have a bit of trouble calibrating what price they want to put into bids, or if you're a seller, what price you'd be willing to accept. So I think on a whole, there was not a huge number of M&A opportunities at the moment. But obviously, we're monitoring that. And -- yes.

Operator

operator
#20

[Operator Instructions] Thank you. Your next question comes from Lawrence Lau with BOCI.

Lawrence Lau

analyst
#21

Just a couple of follow-up questions. First of all, regarding Kinsevere, in the announcement, you mentioned the 2 areas occupied by the Army is actually part of the expansion projects. So if the situation stays, will it affect the progress of your, say, expansion, say, where we can see the first output in, say, 4Q 2023 as you have stated in the announcement? And second question is regarding Las Bambas. Now you have reached agreement with 4 out of the 6 communities. Can you give us some idea as to what you have promised? Or will this agreement affect the future economics of the mine?

Liangang Li

executive
#22

Yes. Thank you, Lawrence, and I think that Nan can take the first one.

Nan Wang

executive
#23

Okay. Yes. Thanks, Lawrence. In terms of the impact to Kinsevere KEP project and then production, for the longer-term life of mine -- from longer-term life of mine perspective, we're still working through the optimization options. But we're seriously concerned about our legal raise are taken away on these 2 tenements. So if this sustains, it will impact future of Kinsevere and our interest in DRC. Yes. So MMG sort of had long history with DRC. So we've had a lot of contribution to the government and the community. So we like to maintain this positive involvement, collaboration with the government and the local community. In terms of on-time production, so at this stage, we're still assessing, but we're aiming to resolve these issues as soon as possible and then aim for the same production time.

Troy Hey

executive
#24

And Lawrence, on the communities, the process of negotiation has been really focused on existing commitments. So this was not a new commitment process, but it was about resolving concerns with existing commitments in those communities. The good thing is we're using those agreements to also get better basis for ongoing relationships and especially the agreement with Pumamarca, which was the last one of the 4 reached, also enables us to access some of the exploration land that we're very keen on in that community on a basis that has support from the community. So we're very happy with the outcomes of the first 4. They've been largely on existing commitments and making sure that we have a plan to implement those. And we're looking to build better relationships that allow us to grow together.

Operator

operator
#25

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I'll now hand back to Mr. Liangang for closing remarks.

Liangang Li

executive
#26

Yes. Thank you. Thank you very much, everyone, for attending the QPR. And concerning the time constraint, if you have any further questions, please feel free to contact our Investor Relations and Corporate Affairs teams. And thank you again for your participation.

Operator

operator
#27

That does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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