MMG Limited (1208) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

October 26, 2023

Hong Kong Stock Exchange HK Materials Metals and Mining operating_results 31 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the MMG Limited third quarter production report. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Jarod Esam, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Jarod Esam

executive
#2

Hello, and welcome to MMG's quarterly production report teleconference. This report and today's discussion cover the operational performance of MMG's sites for the third quarter of 2023. Joining us today are MMG Interim CEO, Mr. Li Liangang; and CFO, Mr. Ross Carroll, together with other ExCo members. I'll now hand over to Liangang who will discuss the highlights in the report before we provide an opportunity to ask questions.

Liangang Li

executive
#3

Yes. Thank you, Jarod. Good morning to everyone, and welcome to MMG's third quarter production report teleconference. As always, at MMG, our first value is safety. Our total recordable injury frequency for the third quarter is 2.83 per million hours worked. The higher number of injuries in the quarter is concerning and is being closely monitored. Each site will continue reporting, investigating and learning from actual and potential workplace incidents. Let's now turn to our production performance for the third quarter of 2023. We achieved production of approximately 94,000 tonnes of copper and 59,000 tonnes of zinc, an increase in both metals compared to the previous quarter. Las Bambas copper production in the third quarter reached 82,000 tonnes, representing a 1% increase compared to the same period last year. Las Bambas operated at full capacity throughout the quarter without transport interruptions and with higher throughput and recovery. Throughout the third quarter, transportation along the Southern Corridor has been stable, assisted by the government declared State of Emergency. Recently, the Peruvian government has announced an extension of the State of Emergency for 60 days until the 12th of December. As a result of stable transportation, Las Bambas has reduced the on-site inventory levels of concentrate. At the end of the second quarter, Las Bambas had approximately 60,000 tonnes of copper metal in on-site inventory. However, by the end of September, this inventory level had decreased to around 10,000 tonnes of copper metal. Now I will provide the update on community dialogue. MMG remains committed to working closely with the government of Peru and community members for transparent and constructive dialogue. Progress has been made in discussions with the Huancuire community on Chalcobamba with an agreement on the regulations for the dialogue process reached on the 13th of September. With the participation of the government of Peru and the new negotiating commission of the Huancuire community formed in July, we have established the agenda and recommenced the formal dialogue process on the 2nd of October. MMG is optimistic that more lasting agreements for the development of Las Bambas can be achieved. Now turning to the Las Bambas outlook for 2023. We anticipate Las Bambas copper production to be in the range of 285,000 tonnes and 305,000 tonnes. This revised guidance reflects the stability in operations since March and positions us at the higher end of our original guidance for 2023. Additionally, C1 costs for Las Bambas are now expected to fall within the range of USD 1.65 and USD 1.75 per pound. This reduction in cost is attributed to production being at the higher end of the previous guidance range and higher by-product credits. Moving on to Kinsevere. During the second -- during the third quarter, copper cathode production decreased by 16% compared to the same period in 2022, resulting in a quarterly production of around 12,000 tonnes. This decline was primarily attributed to lower throughput as a result of unstable power supply from the national grid. Power supply stability is increasing, and copper production increased by 8% on the second quarter of this year. I'm pleased to report that the construction progress of our Kinsevere Expansion Project remains on track. During the third quarter, we completed in the mechanical construction of the cobalt plant. The commissioning of the cobalt plant began in September and will continue in the fourth quarter. Additionally, the pre-stripping of Sokoroshe II is on track with the establishment of all mining infrastructure and the construction of 30-kilometer haul road connecting the satellite site to the Kinsevere plant. The initial phase of Sokoroshe II contains oxide ore and is expected to contribute to reducing reliance on third-party ore. Looking ahead, our primary focus will be on the construction of the sulfide plant, which includes the concentrator, roaster, gas cleaning and acid plant facilities. We expect first copper cathode from sulfides to be produced in 2024 with full ramp-up completed in 2025. The Kinsevere Expansion Project is projected to extend the mine life to 2035 and increase annual production up to 100,000 tonnes of copper equivalent production once we reach full ramp-up in 2025. Our expectation of full year copper production has been adjusted to a range of 43,000 to 48,000 tonnes, which is towards the higher end of the previous guidance. We anticipate C1 costs to remain between USD 3.15 and USD 3.35 per pound -- sorry, the range is $3.15 and $3.35 per pound. I will now move on to our Australian operations, Dugald River and Rosebery. At Dugald River, we produced approximately 47,000 tonnes of zinc in the third quarter, which is 4% lower compared to the same quarter last year, but 30% higher than the previous quarter. Additionally, Dugald River achieved a 1% increase in lead production compared to the prior corresponding period and a 51% increase compared to the previous quarter. The mine has achieved full production rates following the ramp up in the second quarter. The processing plant's performance remained strong, achieving a zinc recovery rate of 90.6% and with a record-high lead recovery rate of 69% -- 69.3%, driven by continuous operational improvement activities. Supported by the strong and stable operations during the third quarter, Dugald River now expects a production range of 140,000 tonnes to 150,000 tonnes of zinc in zinc concentrate, which is towards the higher end of the previous guidance. The C1 costs in 2023 is expected to remain in the range of USD 1.05 to USD 1.20 per pound. At Rosebery, we produced around 12,000 tonnes of zinc in zinc concentrate and 5,000 tonnes of lead in lead concentrate during the third quarter of 2023. This represented a 2% and 15% increase in zinc and lead production, respectively, compared to the prior corresponding period, primarily due to higher milled ore grades resulting from the mining sequence, partly offset by lower mill throughput. Rosebery is now expected to produce between 48,000 tonnes and 53,000 tonnes of zinc in zinc concentrate in 2023. This is below the prior guidance due to lost production time in the first quarter related to the bushfire incident, slower stope turnover, reflecting challenges with mining at depth and lower-than-expected milled ore grades due to mining sequence. C1 cost at Rosebery is expected to be at the lower end of prior guidance of USD 0.35 and USD 0.50 per pound primarily due to higher by-product grades and strong precious metal prices. I will now hand it over to the moderator to take your questions. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#4

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Jimmy Feng from Citi.

Jingshan Feng

analyst
#5

Can you hear me clearly? Hi. Hello?

Liangang Li

executive
#6

Hello? Yes. Jimmy, can you hear us?

Jingshan Feng

analyst
#7

Yes, I can hear you. Yes, it is very clear. Okay. I just want to have a quick check for the cost guidance for Las Bambas. I have seen that the cost guidance has been revised down, but it still implies a higher cost in the second half than the first half despite a higher run rate in the second half. So I want to check what's the main reason for a second -- for higher costs in second half? And what should we expect regarding the Las Bambas into next year? This is the first question. And the second question is for the Huancuire negotiation and also the Chalcobamba project. So if the development can commence by end of this year, let's say, in November or December, when do you expect that Chalcobamba will contribute some copper volumes?

Ross Carroll

executive
#8

Jimmy, I'll take the first -- it's Ross. I'll take the first question on the cost guidance. The -- yes, it is true. And part of the reason why the cost guidance is a little bit conservative is we never quite know when we might get roadblocks and other sort of social-type issues. Now I think our expectation is, with the State of Emergency being extended into December, that we do expect for this quarter to have a clear run at the operations. But having said that, we probably are maintaining a bit of conservatism. And it's also to -- with this clearer run at the operations, we do spend more money in the community and development programs then as well in addition to the sort of ongoing operating costs. So hopefully, if everything goes well for this quarter, we should finish at the lower side of the guidance again. So I hope that answers the question. And then I think with Huancuire, yes, our plan is -- I guess, discussions have commenced with Huancuire, and our plan is -- well, we're hoping to have access by the start of the year. Now unfortunately, that would occur in the rainy season. So it would take us 3 to 4 months to do the development and build roads and the like. So we're then hoping to get mining access in about April of next year and then have first ore sometime, so around July or August. So that's sort of the plan. I think that would be similar to what we gave -- the message we gave at the last update.

Jingshan Feng

analyst
#9

Okay. Got it. So I just want to confirm. So the production will start in around July or August next year, is that right?

Ross Carroll

executive
#10

Yes, that's right. Because we would do a pre-strip, taking the -- removing the waste in that sort of April to July period. So that's the plan. But obviously, it's subject to us reaching agreement with the community.

Operator

operator
#11

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from Chris Shiu from Balyasny Asset Management.

Chris Shiu

analyst
#12

Congratulations on the upward revision for the guidance. My question is, so regarding the emergency period, so it's been extended to December 12. Do you expect that to be further continued? And I mean has that been the main reason for the relatively peaceful and stable conditions at Las Bambas?

Troy Hey

executive
#13

Thank you, Chris. There's no doubt the State of Emergency has been a huge help during this year, and we're almost kind of down to normal stock levels at site, which is fantastic. Alongside that, we haven't stopped the dialogue processes in the communities along the haul road, and we are working really hard with those communities to make sure that we can -- we could work successfully under -- without a State of Emergency. The government is working with us, and the State of Emergency has been extended. [ If they ] want to allow those conversations to take place for us to reach enduring agreements, we put it with those communities then to be able to operate like this in an extended period. So I don't want to flag the government's attention, it's up to them about what happens after December. What we're trying to do is work with the communities along the haul road, around the mine to get those kind of agreements in place that blocking the road is of no great interest to them because they've got a relationship with us that is working. And it has been a much better year on that progress along the haul road. And I think just while I'm here, the Huancuire negotiation also is underway, very intense at the moment and meeting regularly. And we're working really hard with those communities to come to an agreement. We're not there yet. But as Ross said, we have a clear plan, and we're hoping to get the community across the line to work with us.

Chris Shiu

analyst
#14

Got it. And one other question is regarding the DRC. So given the upcoming election, do you see any sort of differences for the various candidates towards our operation exclusion in the DRC?

Nan Wang

executive
#15

Yes. Chris, at this stage, operation remains normal. We don't see any issues at this stage.

Chris Shiu

analyst
#16

Got it. So you don't expect the election outcome to have any major impact on your operations one way or the other?

Nan Wang

executive
#17

No, we don't anticipate any potential issues impact.

Troy Hey

executive
#18

And Chris, we've been through a couple of elections in Congo, and we've never had kind of a site-based impact before. And this election is probably, as far as DRC elections go, not as controversial as many in the past. So we're in a good place, I think.

Operator

operator
#19

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Lawrence Lau from BOCI.

Lawrence Lau

analyst
#20

I have 2 questions. First of all, regarding Rosebery, it seems like that you're revising down the guidance in terms of output. I just wonder, that mine, the output seems to be under pressure. I just wonder how long this mine can carry on, say, producing, say, the metals, at a similar output as in 2023 for how long? Or actually you're expecting gradually declining output for the, say, next few years? That's the first question. And second question is that now it seems to -- that the development of Chalcobamba seems to be delayed a bit. So can you offer an update regarding the CapEx for this year. Is there any revision to that because of that delay?

Nan Wang

executive
#21

Yes. Lawrence, I'll answer the first one regarding the Rosebery production. So as we sort of -- currently, majority of the ore source -- zinc ore source comes from lower part of the ore body, which is about 1.8 kilometers below surface level. So at that depth, obviously, we're experiencing some production challenges in terms of ground pressures and then ground support and then long haulage as well. But the team is busy working on other ore sources at the middle and then upper level of the mine. We still believe there is potential extensions from the previous working areas. So that program is in progress. On the other hand, the Rosebery has always enjoyed the precious metal by-product credit. We do see that by-product credit continue to be strong to support Rosebery going forward. Looking at the history of 80-odd years from Rosebery, so we firmly believe with the current work in hand, we'll continue to extend. In terms of zinc, maybe we see a short term -- there's a bit of impact from the mining at depth. But overall, with the by-product -- strong by-product credit, we still see Rosebery will sustain the current operation and extend the life in the near future. Thank you.

Ross Carroll

executive
#22

And if I could add to that, too, Lawrence, and Nan has mentioned the by-product credits. So Rosebery still had some very competitive C1 cost, and that then flows through the C3 costs. So even though zinc production has dropped, it is still profitable. So sure, we'd like it to be more profitable, but it is still profitable. So it's not like the operation's in doubt. And in your last -- other question in relation to the Chalcobamba development. The Chalcobamba CapEx is not overly capital intensive because it's really just a matter of building access roads and some minor infrastructure for the Chalcobamba pit. And then the ore gets carted back to Ferrobamba where the main processing plant and concentrator is. So you'll probably see, if Chalcobamba doesn't sort of commence major ramp-up in the balance of this year, the CapEx will be on the lower side of guidance. But Chalcobamba itself is not having a significant impact on CapEx. Where the delay hurts us is the revenue and profitability.

Operator

operator
#23

Your next question comes from name from Eun Young Lee from DBS.

Eun Young Lee

analyst
#24

Congratulations on your good production result. My question is about -- the first one is on Las Bambas. How much -- what is your expectation of the production volume in the Las Bambas, including Chalcobamba, in 2024? And what do you expect about the Chalcobamba C1 cost when the mine is fully ramped up? And that is the second question. And the third question is, I'm just wondering which part of production cost is mostly affected by inflation. And then also, what is your cost -- what is the contribution of labor cost to your total production cost? That is the second -- third question regarding the cost. And then last one, I'm wondering the company's outlook on the copper prices going forward. That is the fourth question. Clear?

Ross Carroll

executive
#25

Yes. Okay. Thanks for the questions. Firstly, in regard to 2024, we're doing our budget at the moment. Roughly this year, we're doing 300,000 tonnes. And we've said once we get Chalcobamba in the mix and at full capacity, we'd be up around that sort of 375,000 to 400,000 tonnes. Now I've just described earlier that we're not going to get all from Chalcobamba, and this is the plan until August. So that means we're not going to see a full contribution from Chalcobamba next year. So I think you can expect it's going to be more like sort of in the 320,000 sort of range or 300,000 tonne range, but that's not a specific or approved number yet. That's just a little bit of initial guidance. Now as a result of that, we can't -- we haven't got an estimate or a public estimate yet of our C1 costs for next year. So we will give that when we do the quarterly production report in January, which is once we've then compiled our budgets for next year as well. Now when talking about the -- I think your next question is about what part or what inflationary aspects we'll be seeing with our costs. The major impact probably at the moment is still fuel costs are very volatile. So we have had a reduction in costs during the middle part of the year. But now with the political situation in the Middle East, fuel prices have increased, and that has a major impact on us. And then we are seeing ongoing wages inflation as well. So they're probably the 2 major costs. But as a general comment and prior to the episode in the Middle East, we were seeing our costs start to flatten out a little bit. Now you asked a secondary question about cost, which I couldn't quite pick up.

Eun Young Lee

analyst
#26

And then -- so what is your contribution of labor costs for the -- to your total production costs?

Ross Carroll

executive
#27

Okay, labor costs. During the sort of -- and this varies country by country. But in Peru, they're roughly 20% of our cash operating costs. And then I think your last question was about CapEx. And generally, the sustaining CapEx is between $400 million and $500 million a year at Las Bambas. And then if we are embarking on major projects or growth projects or new deposits, that will be on top of that amount. And we'll make that clear when we give our guidance at the start of the year.

Operator

operator
#28

There are no further questions at this time. I'll now hand back to Mr. Li for closing remarks.

Liangang Li

executive
#29

Yes. Thank you very much, everyone, for your time. And if you have any further questions, please feel free to follow up with our Investor Relations and also Corporate Affairs teams. And I think that we can close the meeting today. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#30

Thank you. That does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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