MTN Group Limited (MTN) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

May 14, 2024

Johannesburg Stock Exchange ZA Communication Services Wireless Telecommunication Services trading_statement 56 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Thato Motlanthe

executive
#1

Good day to everybody. Thank you for joining us on this call to discuss the MTN Group's Trading Update for the period ended 31 March 2024. My name is Thato Motlanthe. I look after Group Investor Relations. And on the call with me, I've got Ralph Mupita, who's our Group CEO. We've also got Tsholofelo Molefe, our Group CFO; and also joining us on the call this afternoon is Charles Molapisi, who's the CEO of MTN South Africa, as well as Dineo Molefe, who's the CFO of MTN South Africa. So our trading update was published this morning on the JSE and it's posted on our website on the Investor Relations page. I trust that you've had a chance to look at it this morning, along with the Q1 releases from our listed OpCos. And these were published over the past couple of weeks. And hopefully, you've been able to join their investor calls as well. So for today's call, we'll present a bit of a focused overview of our Q1 performance, reiterating the key highlights before we open up for Q&A. The running order is as usual, Ralph will be kicking us off with an overview of the commercial performance as well as the key issues. Tsholo will follow up with an overview of the financial highlights and then Ralph will come back to run up with key focus areas and the outlook. After that, we'll go into Q&A, and I would encourage you to enter your questions on the webcast platform, which I will read out at the end. We're scheduled for about an hour for this call after which we will wrap up. And then you can send me any additional questions, which we are not able to cover. On that note, let me hand over to Ralph for introductory comments.

Ralph Mupita

executive
#2

Thank you, Thato, and a very good afternoon to you all, as well for myself and Tsholo. I trust everybody is keeping well. In terms of our Q1 trading update, we are encouraged to have delivered a resilient performance for the period in what continues to be a challenging macro backdrop. And before going into the trading update highlights, it's important to just touch on the environment we continue to navigate in the period. From a macroeconomic perspective, inflation and interest rates in some of our key markets remained elevated during Q1. It was encouraging to see the overall inflation trend improving. And to give you a sense, the blended rate of inflation across our footprint averaged around 13.7% in Q1 2024, which favorably compares to 18.5% in Q1 2023 and 15.4% in Q4 2023. We also saw local currencies under pressure, particularly the naira, which continued to devalue against the dollar during the period. You would have seen from MTN Nigeria's reporting the business there delivered strong underlying commercial momentum despite the financial impact of the sharp devaluation of the naira. There are a number of other factors impacting us in the period, including the ongoing civil war in Sudan, the severely affected network availability and revenue generation in that market. Most of you will also be aware of the cable cuts that caused major disruptions and outages, especially in West Africa. In terms of regulatory issues, we have reported to you in the past about the impact of SIM registration regulations in a number of our markets, notably Nigeria and Ghana. This mainly impacted our subscriber development during the period, but we do believe that we manage the impacts well, and sustaining service revenue growth. Tsholo and I will cover 3 areas in our overview commentary this afternoon to run as follows: firstly, the overall performance highlights, a summary of the financial review, which Tsholo will cover. I will then come back at the end to conclude with some priorities and outlook comments. So let me start on our performance highlights, which is topic one. We continue to invest in our networks, and we deployed ZAR 5.4 billion of CapEx ex-leases, reflecting an overall CapEx intensity of 11.8%. We delivered overall service revenue growth of 11.1% in constant currency terms, with EBITDA up 3.9%, with the underlying margin down 2.5 percentage points to 38.1%. That's all in constant currency terms. In terms of our commercial progress, our subscriber base increased by 3 million to 288 million. As I mentioned, this was impacted by subscriber registration regulations in Ghana and Nigeria, as well as a decline of subscribers in Sudan amidst the ongoing conflict. Active data subscribers were up 7.8% to 149.2 million, supporting the increase in data traffic in our networks. We are pleased with the continued strong demand for our services, which underpin our media -- which underpin our medium-term growth thesis. In this regard, data traffic was up 36.2% year-on-year, 32.2%, excluding the joint ventures. MTN South Africa, putting another resilient Q1, given the pressures in that market with service revenue up by 3% year-on-year. Within this mix, the data performance was impacted by initiatives implemented to recover legacy Xtratime data advance balances through data bundles, which slowed revenue development. We have now completed the network resilience plan and our position to manage loadshedding and maintain good network availabilities up to Stage 8. Subscribers increased by 3.3% to close of 37 million while data traffic growth was up 42%. This includes a strong growth in FWA products as the business accelerated penetration in that market. This is a particular area of focus in terms of MTN SA's pricing priorities where there are some initiatives being implemented to announce revenue yield. MTN Nigeria reported its results at the end of April. Under the circumstances, they delivered quite a solid underlying operating performance given the sharp naira devaluation impacting the financial results. Data traffic, in particular, was quite robust and grew by 41% which supported MTN Nigeria's strong underlying top line performance. Constant currency service revenue for MTN Nigeria grew by about 32% in the quarter, which was once again ahead of local inflation. Within our markets portfolio, MTN Ghana, put in another stellar performance. The reported -- again, reported at the end of April. But looking at the Q1, very strong service revenue growth of 32% in constant currency with a strong contribution from data and fintech. The results were supported by pricing initiatives implemented in the market, especially for data. For group fintech year-on-year transaction volumes and values grew by around 18% and 11% respectively, as we ramped up for a focus on monetization. You would recall our comments from full year '23 results, this is a major priority for 2024. This is really to ensure that we balance the expansion of our ecosystem with revenue and cash flow growth. The initiatives in key markets include changes to -- in B2B and C2B activities. We were pushing more transactions into merchant ecosystem for higher monetization. We have intensified bill collection initiatives, optimizing our pricing in order to improve take rates. In remittances, we are enhancing our model to enhance better pricing, especially in terms of rates charge to our partners. We're also pursuing high yields and floats and improving how we manage our float monetization. Through initiatives like this, we are accelerating the growth in advanced services in line with our strategy. When you look at our performance, we grew advanced services by 63.3% year-on-year as we continue to evolve the revenue mix. The progress in Fintech was underpinned by a more active user growth of 6.2% to 65.5 million and by 8.1% to 62.2 million. If you exclude OTC customers in Nigeria, you would have seen in our tables that we provide in both metrics. And what you'll probably see going forward is a streamlined towards the ex-OTC metric in line with our focus on active wallets. We are encouraged by the growth in active merchants, up 40.1% to 2.2 million, supporting the growth in merchant payments of $4.7 billion, up 32.6% on prior year. So let me pause here and hand over to Tsholo for some color on our financial performance, and I'll come back with outlook and priorities as we conclude before we take Q&A.

Tsholofelo B. Molefe

executive
#3

Thank you very much, Ralph, and good afternoon to everyone joining us on the call this afternoon. I'd like to first talk about the financial overview for the Q1 results. And firstly, just to reiterate the resilient financial performance we have reported in light of the steep headwinds impacting our business and as outlined by Ralph, our service revenue increased by 11.1% in constant currency terms. And as highlighted, the conflict in Sudan had a significant impact on this performance. MTN Sudan revenue declined by 83% year-on-year, affected by mainly the lack of network availability. If we exclude MTN Sudan, our service revenue would have been up 13.3%. So quite a solid underlying performance. [Indiscernible] impact our EBITDA margin, this was affected by upward pressures on costs due to higher inflation and ForEx depreciation largely in Nigeria, the network resilience cost as well as electricity tariff escalations we saw in MTN South Africa and the escalation of costs arising from the conflicts in Sudan. We mitigated this effect, however, through the execution of our expense efficiency program in terms of which we realized about ZAR 430 million during this period. Overall, this enabled us to report group EBITDA growth of 3.9% in constant currency, with a margin of 38.1%. However, lower by 2.5 percentage points compared to the same period last year. Over the course of this year, we will accelerate the initiatives to realize further efficiencies and ensure that we meet our expense efficiency targets. You will recall that we have targeted savings of between ZAR 7 billion to ZAR 8 billion over the next 3 years. The focus on our financial resilience has been and still remains a key focus area for us. In this regard, we are very pleased to have maintained a group net debt-to-EBITDA ratio of 0.5x as at the end of March this year. This remains well within our loan covenant limit of 2.5x. Our net interest cover from a group perspective is at 5.6x and also within the covenant threshold, although under pressure -- under some pressure given the near-term headwinds, especially the FX impact. It is important to note that we've engaged with our lenders, both at group as well as Nigeria level, we have secured the necessary accommodations from our lenders in relation to some of the potential impacts on our loan agreement arising from the major currency devaluations we have reported in Nigeria. Our holding company leverage expanded slightly to 1.7x which is above our midterm guidance to the market of 1.5x, and which was anticipated, really, given the short-term pressures from FX impact as well as lower cash upstreaming from the OpCos, which is normally a softer quarter. We remain focused, however, on our streaming efforts and anticipate this to improve in the coming quarters. Overall, this will also support efforts to retain Holdco leverage back within guided range of 1.5x over the medium term. In terms of our upstreaming, you would have seen from the sense that we reported cash upstreaming of ZAR 718 million received mainly from our OpCos largely in MTN South Africa. Again, you may recall that we do have a seasonality in the profile of our cash upstreaming, as I indicated, and we expect this to increase over the remainder of the year. In light of comments, I would stress that we remain guided by our capital allocation framework that has really stood us in good stead. We believe remains relevant and even as we navigate the current volatility in our macro context and will enable us to continue to execute on our strategy. With that, I'll hand over back to Ralph.

Ralph Mupita

executive
#4

Thanks very much, Tsholo. Just to echo the really resilient operational and financial performance we've delivered given the near-term headwinds. The strength and flexibility of our balance sheet gives us a lot of confidence about our ability to deliver on our investment case as we navigate some of these near-term challenges. Just in terms of the outlook, let me outline a few key messages. Firstly, I think the first is to recognize the prevailing geopolitical and macroeconomic conditions will continue to impact our business in the near term on our expectations. That said, the fundamentals of our businesses are quite strong, and we are confident in our ability to continue to navigate the near-term uncertainties. In South Africa, Charles and the team are doing work to accelerate growth and improve profitability underpinned by its resilience plan which is significantly improve the network availability. Several initiatives are underway and are being executed in MTN SA, including price ups in prepaid plans and other portfolios, as well as revision of data bundle portfolios. As we noted in our FY '23 results, MTN SA is making investments into the device market to support its revenue acceleration initiatives. And we have cautioned that this will put some pressure, some near-term pressure on EBITDA margin there. In the sense, you would have also seen that MTN SA has mutually agreed to unwind the PaaS agreement with IHS, and we're happy to take questions around the logic of that. But very importantly, MTN SA remains very focused on delivering on the medium-term guidance for FY 2024 for both service revenue and EBITDA margin guidance. For MTN Nigeria, the key will be to resolve the negative equity position reported there. The EGM in Q1 already highlighted the 5 key initiatives we implemented to achieve this. And without getting into details of it, they do merit some repeating. Firstly, continuing to pursue regulated tariff increases through engagement with authorities, and these are ongoing. Driving margin recovery through accelerated top line growth with a focus on executing on the expense efficiency program. The third, optimizing CapEx deployment targeting CapEx intensity in the upper single digits. Fourth, reducing U.S. dollar exposure with a focus on the MTN Nigeria's outstanding letters of credit obligations. And the fifth MTN Nigeria is considering strategic options to manage its tower lease portfolio. As we communicated with the release of MTN Nigeria's Q1 trading update, we have revised up our service revenue guidance to high 20s to low 30s. We've also communicated FY '24 EBITDA margin guidance of 33 to 35 on the assumption of FX average rates between and 1,400 and 1,700. No tariff increase and no successful outcome from TowerCo contract renegotiation. Obviously, as any of those 3 variables move, they would affect the margin guidance positively. Of course, MTN Ghana will continue to lead the focus within our markets portfolio and achieving operational excellence, which will help safeguard as margins and drive sustained bottom line growth in the medium term. In our platforms, we will leverage partnerships to accelerate ecosystem growth and wrap up commercial monetization. We also continue the work to bring in further minority investors into our platform. The commercial initiatives in Mastercard will ramp up in Q2. The sequential launches across markets through the remainder of the year. And then on CapEx, we have revised our anticipated CapEx for 2024 to ZAR 28 billion to ZAR 33 billion. This was due to the reduction in expected spend by MTN Nigeria as they announced a couple of weeks ago. I do want to however reiterate that we have a very well invested network in Nigeria, excellent spectral assets and network headroom in Nigeria to take on the data traffic growth in the year ahead. And we believe we will be able to maintain the strong network leadership position that we've had over several years. So in closing, we remain focused on our strategy execution to deliver on our medium-term guidance. This is guided by a robust capital allocation framework and [Indiscernible] on the resilience and flexibility of our balance sheet. So let me stop there and hand over to Thato for Q&A. As was mentioned earlier, we have Charles and Dineo also in the room to help us answer some of your questions. Thato?

Thato Motlanthe

executive
#5

Yes. Thanks so much, Ralph. Thanks, Tsholo. Let's just jump straight into Q&A. There are quite a few of them. This is about to the question on Nigeria. Can you please provide some color and the progress regarding the renegotiation of the Nigerian USD leases and why this is taking time to execute.

Ralph Mupita

executive
#6

Yes, just to start with that one, and I think we messaged this quite clearly during the results roadshow. Obviously, there are a variety of variables that are very sensitive when you do this multiyear renegotiation. Firstly, is what exchange rate do you convert what is currently dollar-denominated, U.S. fees into naira. And that's one key variable that if you get it right, so if you get it wrong, I mean you're kind of stuck with it with a period of the contract. So there's a lot of work grained through that. The other is just on CPI escalations, how do we frame the CPI escalations. And then there are a few other terms that are being discussed where we've got to so far is -- and I think we've made good progress in particular, on looking towards movement from technology-based pricing towards space and power. So that side is not a big issue. So it's essentially really around the rate that is used to convert what was previously dollar-based U.S. fees or currently dollar-based U.S. fees to naira. The CPR rate, understanding also the tower portfolio is actually 3 of them. There's the so-called IHS. There's a Helios portfolio, there's an INT portfolio. And all of those have various terms that are still being discussed, including the lease tenor. So these discussions will remain ongoing.

Thato Motlanthe

executive
#7

A couple of questions on Nigeria. Following the MTN Nigeria EGM, just to clarify, is there no holdco obligation to shore up support for OpCo balance sheet in any way. While the 5-point plan may help OpCo trade out of its negative equity position, what is the fallback plan if any of the initiatives do not result in the closing of the net equity balance by '25?

Ralph Mupita

executive
#8

Yes. I mean there's no holdco obligation to shore up the balance sheet in terms of an equity capital injection. I think that's super clear. The common rules require us to communicate the plan. And obviously, if we get the tariff increase, we were able to renegotiate an attractive new set of contracts with IHS. I mean that obviously changed the picture pretty much in an instant. So there is a scenario, which we say is the trade-out scenario, which is you continue to keep the current contracts as they are. They have different tenures, a big portfolio of towers as a tenure that goes up to 2029. That's the so-called INT portfolio. So that's still got 4.5 years to run. And so there is a scenario you just trade out and go into next year. I mean, obviously, the impact of that would be you remain in negative equity as to the sense you've got your accommodation from the fund raise, et cetera. And on all kind of reasonable scenario assumptions, you come out the back end of next year towards a profit situation given various assumptions about exchange rates and so forth. So that scenario remains one that is available for the company. But I think it's important to note that we're going to remain agile and responsive to developments, whether they are on the tariff increase side or on progress with IHS on the contract renegotiations.

Thato Motlanthe

executive
#9

And it's maybe another question on Nigeria CapEx before we move on to some SA questions. I think you did touch on it, but please talk about the change in approach in Nigeria CapEx. At FY '23 results, it seemed the approach was largely to maintain spend levels, especially considering your experience through the prior devaluation, what's the change since then? And how is this different this time? It doesn't look like your peers are pulling back on CapEx intensity in the near term.

Ralph Mupita

executive
#10

Yes. I mean I think there's one peer who communicated less CapEx into the year with full year results. So we won't comment about them. I mean, what we assessed and I guess in these situations, you have to remain strategically agile. So what we assessed after full year was what is the headroom in the Nigeria network? And what we have seen in the Nigeria network and particularly given that we had secured 2 x 5 megahertz of 2,600, which was continuous to the balance of the 2,600 we had, when we looked at that and having done our spectrum planning, Carl and team concluded that actually, without compromising network quality and having a level of sustaining CapEx, mostly going to be going to IT. And with some radio planning, we would actually be able to maintain the data growth that we've seen certainly in Q1, so you saw 40% traffic growth supported by revenue growth that's in the 50s. So the team felt that, that's -- that could continue to absorb that and that headroom to be able to take on the data traffic. So that was being responsive to the conditions as we saw the trading through February and into early March. I understand the point that says you can cut CapEx substantially. But I think, as I said, we've invested ahead of demand in Nigeria. We've got headroom in 5G. We're trying to move a lot more traffic towards 5G and particularly in FWA and our Home Solutions, we're trying to use more of that 3500 megahertz spectrum over a 100 megahertz of that and then as I said, the 2,600 portfolio is helping us carry quite a lot of traffic. So we feel comfortable that there is no kind of competitive impairment by taking on the strategy.

Thato Motlanthe

executive
#11

Maybe some questions on SA. What is the effective price increase MTN SA is looking to price up for prepaid? When will this start? And any color on initial subscriber response we are seeing in ARPU uplift.

Ralph Mupita

executive
#12

Charles?

Charles Molapisi

executive
#13

The prices, maybe just to give you a blueprint, we delivered the postpaid pricing in February. The first time we do that, that was about in 8.6% target increase with a 4.3% effective rate. On prepaid, I just want to maybe explain that prepaid is done maybe on multiple layers. So we've been prepaid on CVM, have also been prepaid on open market. CVM, were done, I think mostly all our top 20 bundles. We've completed that. The intensive rate defers depending on the bundle profile. So we know it vary depending on the size of the bundle and the target the market that we're targeting. And then on open market, most of those prices have not started yet to go in the market in the month of May. There's a bit of a lag effect in terms of those pricing because there are a lot of channels, there's a bank integration. We must [Indiscernible] them out into the channel altogether. So that will come through, I think, mainly, but there's a comprehensive pricing strategy across all the segments, whether it's wholesale, enterprise, FWA and then postpaid and prepaid.

Thato Motlanthe

executive
#14

And then maybe just clearing on, postpaid ARPU decline is accelerating quarter-on-quarter. Any color on what is driving this in the outlook for FY '24.

Charles Molapisi

executive
#15

Yes. No, our expectation is that postpaid will see some recovery. I think that [Indiscernible] is also just the profile of the customer that you are onboarding on postpaid. So that's mainly that. But I think we expect that as we go into Q2 and then Q3, then the postpaid recovery will come through. We did also mention that postpaid was affected by the cleanup that we did on the base. That cleanup was done in Q4 2023. So we can expect that the comparable will be a little bit low sighted for a while, but will come through the wash as we go into quarter 4.

Thato Motlanthe

executive
#16

A couple more. EBITDA margin in South Africa, what would the margin have been had you not front-loaded device investment. And when should we expect to see the benefit in terms of revenue acceleration initiatives from this?

Charles Molapisi

executive
#17

Yes. I'll deal with the revenue profile and then Dineo will deal with the margin. First of all, just to explain the strategy. I mean, I just want to be clear that in terms of the envelope that we intend to spend on devices, that is pretty much under control. The front-loading was a strategic decision that we are taking to say, let's get the customers pay as opposed to actually delaying the -- getting the customers on board later in the year. Let's put them through -- and in the year, let's say, Q1 and maybe in Q2. That allows us to load the sales revenue profile. So still early, but we're seeing a nice upside coming through. But I think we'll start to see a much more clear picture as those devices get into the market. Remember, there's a bit of a lag effect once it device is bought and get into the market. So we expect to see some form of upside going forward. And obviously will assess and try to bring the whole margin under control.

Tsholofelo B. Molefe

executive
#18

So the device operation had a 0.6 percentage point impact on the reported margin. So we would have reported 35.5%.

Thato Motlanthe

executive
#19

If we move on to a question on pricing. So please can you update us on the price up initiatives across Nigeria and Ghana. And have you upstream cash from Ghana in the quarter? And then just linked to that -- or it's same person asking. Can you give us color on the detail on the products that you'll roll out in conjunction with Mastercard...

Ralph Mupita

executive
#20

Yes. Maybe just take the pricing in Ghana, Nigeria, I mean, Ghana, I think there's been now a kind of a rhythm and a pattern that we do get price increases, particularly on data actually is a function of S&P regulatory status, where we can't price below the competitors, and that's supported top line and margin growth in Ghana's, so that is actually driven by the S&P regulations that are in place there. I mean, in Nigeria, I think what is that we think about this in 2 codes. I mean, we are talking about a data and voice tariff increase just to lift at an industry level. As many of you have read that certainly on voice, the floor price has been in place in over several years. And that's what we are engaging as an industry through [Indiscernible] with engagements with the minister. What we did do, as we spoke with full year results at the end of Q3, we did introduce new bundles that we frame it as bundle optimization that has supported the strong growth that you saw at the top line level in Nigeria without the tariff increase, we got to 32%. So data there, 40% traffic growth, almost mid-50s, data revenue growth was boosted by that optimization. So I mean, we'll continue to work on both, both the tariff increase and where optimization is possible, particularly around data. On upstreaming, quarter 1 is seasonally very low. I think last year's comp has been about 1.6, so we don't normally get a lot of upstreaming. It's mostly South Africa that comes in Q1. And we start getting management fees, some of them are paid on a quarterly basis and then the dividends that get declared, some happen at half year. So you start actually seeing seasonally that the bulk of the upstreaming is Q3 and Q4. Q4 is always generally much higher. So I mean we still feel confident that the upstream will come through, not streaming from Ghana. And as I said, the majority of the upstream would have been SA and some of the smaller markets and management fees will start seeing it come through Q2 now by the half year. And then as I said, the majority, you normally see that come through Q3 and Q4. With Mastercard, obviously, One of the key things we want to launch and get out the way is really the virtual cards. Ours is a most Mobile Money system or fintech systems in our markets, these are closed-loop systems, most of them, not all. And what this virtual card really enables us to do is take our customers out of the whole garden of the MTN MoMo business into kind of a broader ecosystem with the ability to make payments with MoMo overlaid by the virtual contact capability that we get from Mastercard. And that's what we are kicking off. So big push on issuance and acceptance. So also a big push from the merchant side, as I mentioned. And we saw very good growth from merchants, and that's obviously ultimately going to be a big part of -- the success of our strategy is just a ubiquitous merchant ecosystem to support our strategy.

Thato Motlanthe

executive
#21

And then just a question may be one on fintech. How likely are you to do a MoMo transaction this year, i.e., a further sell-down?

Ralph Mupita

executive
#22

Our shareholders like to ask me that when I don't deliver in the period than I get feedback. I mean all I can say is we currently are working on this. We are working on the second process. So that's kind of underway. Thato as you said [Indiscernible] because they'll ask me that. But I mean the work is ongoing. We're not sitting still on this.

Thato Motlanthe

executive
#23

Maybe just a question on balance sheet. Can you discuss the plan for addressing the holdco company that previously it was communicated that the goal would be to bring FX debt to a de minimis level as soon as possible. Is this still the case? What funding options would be available to take out the debt.

Tsholofelo B. Molefe

executive
#24

Thanks. I'll take that. I mean we're still on track. We communicated to the market with the year-end results that we still have about $97 million to clear on the 2024 Eurobond, which is due in the last quarter. So plans will be underway to clear that and then we will have the 2026 bond as we indicated. So we will explore liability management, subject to market conditions when the time is right. And we -- as we indicated as well, we do have the domestic medium term note in South Africa that we utilize. We're comfortable that we have sufficient headroom to be able to tap into that. I think as we indicated before, the debt mix is well within our target of 40% USD to ZAR currently at 23%, USD to ZAR at 77%.

Thato Motlanthe

executive
#25

Some follow-up questions on SA. Why is the EBITDA margin taking longer to recover, especially since load shedding is now much better, and then how much was the contribution of price hikes in the growth of SA service revenues? Do you expect more? I think you did cover that earlier? And then your organic growth rate is now at low level -- I think it should be low single digits -- at low single digits. How quickly should we expect it to track back to your medium-term guidance?

Charles Molapisi

executive
#26

Yes. Maybe just a quick point on pricing, just to emphasize, most of the prices will come in only in say, in May, and there were very few price that we did in April. So the current performance that you see doesn't necessarily show all the price changes that we have done. The big one that would be reflected on the performance will be the postpaid, which was -- just as well on the pricing. I guess the issue of EBITDA may [Indiscernible].

Thato Motlanthe

executive
#27

Yes. So just why is it taking longer to recover, especially given that load shedding is now much better?

Tsholofelo B. Molefe

executive
#28

Yes. I think in terms of how we've guided that we will be -- how we are guiding that we'll be able to return to the guidance of 37 to 39 range by the time we get to year-end. You must remember that there are lag effects in terms of ability to recover service revenue because the improvement period of network availability takes time then to be able to recover service revenues. So as we get into half 2, that's when we're able to close out within guidance.

Thato Motlanthe

executive
#29

Okay, that covers it. So on South Africa, who will -- this is on the tower unwind -- the PaaS unwind. Who will manage or pay for security of batteries backup power on site? Will this put upward pressure on OpEx. And then strategic options for towers, assuming IHS is unwilling to be negotiated, I guess this is Nigeria now -- strategic options for towers assuming IHS is unwilling to renegotiate the current lease terms, what other strategic options are there for MTM?

Charles Molapisi

executive
#30

On the [Indiscernible] we will cover that cost that is -- the assets belong to MTN. That cost was also [Indiscernible] initial PaaS agreement, so there's no expectation of [Indiscernible] costs.

Ralph Mupita

executive
#31

Yes, the strategic options. Look, I mean, as I said, the plan is to try and renegotiate the contracts. So we're putting all our investment there. And Carl and team are looking at that. It's a complex -- you're talking about 17,000 towers each with its own lease agreement and different portfolios. So these are not simple contracts to renegotiate with many variables, and long tenures. So I mean that's always Plan A. Plan B, there's obviously the trade through. Bulk of the tower, as I said, expire in 4.5 years. And obviously it could be, one doesn't want to necessarily take that path, but there is continue as you are and then assess your options as the various tower portfolios come up for renewal [ESCO] is an option. There's always an option that you can look at some of your towers and buy back some of your towers. I think in a suite of all options, you would have to put that there as well. But obviously, that's a capital allocation decision that requires a lot of discipline. So I mean these are basically the 2 options outside of renegotiated trade through, which has kind of tough it out. What that actually means is, particularly when you look at the lease mathematics is that with the tenure each year, you bring down the impact, particularly below EBITDA gets an ARPU reduced, particularly on the lease liability. So that trade through option is an option that we could consider. But as I said, to be clear, our preferred is to a successful renegotiation.

Thato Motlanthe

executive
#32

Maybe just on the tower -- on the nature of towers. Another question on Nigeria. Please can you provide an update on the decision to transition tower leases from IHS to ATC? How is this progressing and expected time line for the full transition? Will there be duplicate costs and what CapEx impact in terms of -- as a result of this?

Ralph Mupita

executive
#33

Yes. Look, as you well remember, there is 2,500 sites. I think 1,400 of those sites, there's absolutely been no issue. So I think we can start there that those 1,400 are pretty much cleared and there are no issues. The other 1,100, these ones, we need to have GPS coordinates approved or submitted to the NCC for approval. So that's kind of work ongoing. But the other, let's say, 1 to be exact 1,380 to ATC, I mean there are no issues whatsoever there. So Carl and team are continuing to engage on the balance of the 1,100 in terms of coordinates, getting approvals, et cetera.

Thato Motlanthe

executive
#34

And then just a question on expense efficiency. Do you see the cost efficiency program having a net positive impact on margins. So it will be -- or will it be broadly absorbed by cost inflation?

Tsholofelo B. Molefe

executive
#35

Yes. I mean we're doing all we can to try and improve our margins. And as we've indicated, the forecast is over there, the medium term over the next 3 years, ZAR 7 billion to ZAR 8 billion, we do expect that we will see some level of improvement. But given the extent of the FX impact as well as inflation, particularly in Nigeria, we don't see that being able to get us to historical levels of margin. So it is going to be over the medium term that we start seeing that repaid, but not in this financial year.

Thato Motlanthe

executive
#36

There are a couple of questions on the PaaS unwind in SA. Could you please walk through the rationale of unwinding the PaaS service agreement in SA? And what impact do you expect this to have on the economics? That's one question. And then one that's related to that do you expect it to have a broader impact in terms of renegotiations elsewhere like Nigeria?

Charles Molapisi

executive
#37

Maybe just on the rationale. I mean, we -- I think in the engagements last year, we did mention the fact that the accelerated levels of load-shedding in South Africa was problematic, I think, in terms of capacity for IHS to deliver also capital. And I thought what we decided was to say, maybe it's best if we enforce it for a while and project manage the execution. And when we look back, I think we're a little proud about the intervention that we did in terms of our ability to be able to roll this out. We have to say though that this was an amicable decision that we have taken with IHS. And that was really the reason why we did that. And I think the result of what we've achieved demonstrated. In terms of the cost profile, no, there is no impact in terms of cost increases. Most of these changes that we have done in the insourcing was just based on what [Indiscernible] for 2024 and the emphasis in terms of deliver -- why we're confident that we're going to do it, we still have to mention that we're still using partners. This does not mean that these are overloaded SA headcount. This is still delivered through partners with managed services. So [Indiscernible] sort of like manage this ourselves operationally, but generally is to be delivered by partners.

Ralph Mupita

executive
#38

Yes. On the second point, I mean, it's got no issue in terms of the relationship. I mean, on -- 2 days ago, [Indiscernible] give me the heads up that they would be commenting on the unwind as their results [Indiscernible] obviously we're doing the same. So this is mutually agreed -- Charles and team believe that they can manage it for value. I mean, this for IHS seemed like an outsized potential challenge in terms of the cost particularly SA while they're trying to build up the network of these service providers. So we mutually agreed to kind of roll back the power as a service. That's what we mutually agreed. I mean, Charles is not speaking about the medium- to long-term opportunity there. But there is an opportunity in managing our own assets from low trading improves that we'll ultimately be able to wheel some of this back into the grid as an example. So this is all very mutual and very cordially done.

Thato Motlanthe

executive
#39

A couple of questions on portfolio optimization. Please provide an update on localizations in Uganda and Ghana, kindly -- yes, maybe start with that one.

Ralph Mupita

executive
#40

Yes. On Uganda, I mean we are progressing with that. As you all know, the regulatory requirement is 20%. We are 13% so we are working towards the 7% as we speak right now. So that is a work in progress. So I think we should, in the next couple of quarters, be able to update on that so that we feel we can get away with 7%. Ghana, we mentioned the full year results of the 7% -- post the end of the quarter, we've done about 3% of that 7%. So there's like a stub 4 still to go in Ghana in terms of the localize. So these are all in progress for both Ghana and Uganda.

Thato Motlanthe

executive
#41

And just the other one was MTN recently announced the disposal of 2 smaller OpCos in WECA, please can you update on further portfolio rationalization initiatives and any outstanding OpCos earmarked for disposal.

Ralph Mupita

executive
#42

Yes. I mean I think there's a lot of press commentary that says we've disposed of 2 OpCos in West Africa. What we said is we're talking to a party, and I think it's in the media who that party is that we're looking to exit in an orderly way out of Guinea-Bissau, Guinea-Conakry as part of our portfolio simplification. So those discussions are ongoing with the authorities in both the markets. And as and when those are concluded, we would come back and report to investors. There isn't anything specifically that we're working on right now in terms of exiting from the market. I mean it's just those 2 that we've announced previously Guinea-Bissau and Guinea-Conakry.

Thato Motlanthe

executive
#43

Then a question on holdco leverage. What do you expect your holdco leverage to be in of 1 higher or lower? I guess this is for Q2. [Indiscernible] you can give a sense of direction for the company.

Tsholofelo B. Molefe

executive
#44

I think we did communicate that the holdco leverage this year will be under pressure. We may be up above the 1.5x, but we expect that will come back to the guided 1.5x in 2025, 2026.

Ralph Mupita

executive
#45

Yes, just on that one. I mean I think -- I mean I can't give you the number, but I think what one has to look at is what's the progress with localizations? And what's the progress with exiting some of those -- the 2 markets? And what kind of upstreaming are we getting? Does Nigeria come back on stream. I mean, those would be -- and what progress we're making on minority investments into the platform. So all of those come into the calculus of we would go to -- we wouldn't guide on the H1 out, but certainly as we get through this year, we should be -- we feel comfortable that we'll come back below the 1.5x.

Thato Motlanthe

executive
#46

A couple of questions on Xtratime. First one in South Africa, what proportion of prepaid revenues does Xtratime contribute? How do you see this evolving over time? And then the next question is kindly elaborate on how SA data revenue was impacted by recovery of legacy Xtratime data? Will this affect future quarters.

Charles Molapisi

executive
#47

I mean the first thing, maybe just to cover the penetration. In Q1 last year, we won [3.9] percentage penetration that was above the quarter 2 ZAR 57 million in Q1 this year, it is [6.6%] penetration rate, delivered ZAR 92 of revenue, that's 52% growth rate [Indiscernible] ZAR 135 million. So quite significant contribution, I think, overall in terms of penetration on the recharges. Now the question about the impact of Xtratime on data, I need to take that a little bit slowly just to explain that because I think a lot of people want maybe a bit more clarity on that. So when we communicated, I think it was in H2 or H1 last year, we communicated the fact that of bringing [Uganda] on board. In that meeting also mentioned that our penetration at that time was about 24% and [Indiscernible] grow the base. And to actually get the penetration to 7%, you need to actually expand the addressable base. So what we looked at was that the way customers we charge, how we claw back the loans from the customer today. You have to recharge data in airtime wallet or recharge data bundle strength. So today, the capability that we had before when the system was that when you recharge in airtime wallet, we can claw back the loan. But when the customer buys directly and does the recharge on data, we have no capability to actually claw back that loan. So you end up having customers who are actually now they borrow, but they actually don't pay, they go and actually get data bundle knowing that they cannot actually be bought back in terms of payment. There's about 6 million customers that we had on that basis. So last year, we implemented the bundled claw back which means that a customer who orders money on the loans when they try to recharge using a data bundle and let's say, a domestic recharge for ZAR 20, you owe us ZAR 10. The first thing we do is we take our ZAR 10 back and then only have ZAR 10 to actually buy the data bundle. That's where the shortfall of that volume that we had to actually clean up came from. But where we are today with almost clean up order backlog, but the only difference is that the comparable is still comparing the revenue for this quarter with the quarter last year where it was not [Indiscernible]. So you have to invest in this by, let's say, end of September, then you start to be a like-for-like. But that was really the essence of it. In the claw back of data bundles, which we never used to claw back on customers before. I hope that is very clear.

Thato Motlanthe

executive
#48

Question on IHS. Is buying out IHS as an entity an option.

Ralph Mupita

executive
#49

Why do we think we'll get that question on this call. I mean I think the first thing you want to look at is whatever we try to do, we've been trying to reduce the leverage at the holdco. As Tsholo have said, we've seen -- we're moving in a direction we were de minimis amount of debt at the holdco level. And any subjection as you can well imagine, kind of deleverage the balance sheet in many respects. So I mean, it's not something we're working on. You can have a theoretical discussion about that, but it's not something that we think is going to be executable, particularly now, I mean, our focus is on ensuring both Nigeria has a turnaround in this negative equity position. And as I said, there is a trade through scenario, which we may well work through. But at the same time, we want to maintain the strong holdco balance sheet position, as Tsholo has mentioned, the liquidity level. The environment is a little bit to be quite challenging, and it can come up with some unexpected risks and we need to ready for those across our markets. So yes, it's not something one can look at, but it's not the priorities the renegotiations.

Thato Motlanthe

executive
#50

And just very 2 question on IHS renegotiations in Nigeria. Disregarding the comment on delay renegotiations with IHS being due to deciding on the correct USD, naira rate, should we take this as a USD-based no longer being -- should we take it as a USD basis, I think, no longer being the go-forward in terms of the agreements.

Ralph Mupita

executive
#51

I think, I mean, as you can see, where the pain is in Nigeria, the pain is all below gross profit. So the moment you go to gross profit and start looking at the OpEx, the network OpEx, that's where all the pain and a lot of it is the repricing is the FX resets on particularly the INT portfolio. The one that's got 4.5 years to go. That's where there is the bulk of -- the pricing is dollar index. So a renegotiation with MTN Nigeria would need to deal substantially with that. So what is 70-30, I mean there's always going to be a level of kind of should be cost that would be dollars. You've got still in terms of the maintenance of the towers, you've got diesel for energy. So those components will always be there. And on a should be cost analysis, you might work out at somewhere between 20% and 30% actually is dollar-denominated anyway for even if you have to do it yourself. So the change is to -- the negotiations are really aimed at can we get well priced contracts, market-based pricing, but with significantly much lower dollar indexation. So where you have 70-30, you're going to think about flipping it the other way around. That's what we're trying to work through with the IHS.

Charles Molapisi

executive
#52

Maybe just to wrap up the call is a clarity question, the earlier question around low double-digit side. I think I said low single digits for South Africa, apparently it was for the group. We obviously achieved 11%, maybe just to talk about some of the dynamics behind the 11%? And how long it will take to get back into the guidance for [Indiscernible].

Ralph Mupita

executive
#53

Yes, I had a big discussion with the finance team, and I've said to them, I think the market will read these results at -- with respect also without the context of how do we do, constant currency measurement. If you took the view that you kept the rates 2023 rates against this, I mean the number is more like mid-teens already. The big issue is if you think about it in the composite is Nigeria used to be X, now it's Y because of the devaluation, so this is just a weighted average issue. Last year Nigeria was at 400 -- was at 1,400-odd. So the wage of Nigeria in the mix of constant currency is different. So we're using 2024 constant currency, we have 11.4. Last year's constant currency, you going to have mid-teens -- pretty much mid-teens. So we remain on our basis of using this year's in our rates versus -- and the mix effect. That's going to give us the -- now to your point in terms of improvement back to the -- we're still committed to the mid-teens. You saw that with Sudan where we've had really -- the network is pretty much down, network availability given the war condition is down. If you exclude that's 13.2%. We had a little bit of voice pressure in Ghana. I think there's an MTR in Rwanda and the NIM. And we're looking through all of those and South Africa, as we say, is a [Indiscernible] at the full level. So over the next 12 months, I think the base effects will reset back into mid-teens anyway. But I think the big thing is just the structural change in the contribution of Nigeria in the constant currency makeup.

Thato Motlanthe

executive
#54

Thanks, Ralph. I think with that, we can wrap up the call. We've gone through quite a few questions. So thanks to management on the call. And thanks every one for dialing in. If you do have follow-ups, please do send me an e-mail. Thank you very much.

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