Muthoot Finance Limited (MUTHOOTFIN) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

August 1, 2026

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Operator

operator
#1

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to the Muthoot Finance Q1 FY '27 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. [indiscernible] Capital. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#2

Yes, a very good afternoon to all of you. We are here to discuss the Muthoot Finance Q1 results. For that, we have the [indiscernible] started with me [indiscernible] is an expert. And then we have for wholesale Directors, we [indiscernible], who is an Executive Director, [indiscernible] with an executive base and Mr. [indiscernible]. Without further ado, I'll hand the call over to the [indiscernible] for his opening remarks, we'll follow that up with question and answers. Over to you, sir.

Unknown Executive

executive
#3

Thank you, [ Saket ]. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. A very warm welcome to all of you. Joining us today for Muthoot Finance Limited earnings call to discuss our financial performance for the first quarter ended 30th June 2026. I hope all of you and their families are doing well. Joining me on the call today are members of our senior management team, our Chairman is there. Directors are also there. Joint Managing Directors also there, COO, Mr. Bijimon, is also there; and the CFO, Mr. [indiscernible] also there and the [indiscernible]. Before I delve into the quarter's operational and financial highlights, I want to express my gratitude to our customers' employees and stakeholders for their continued trust. We are honored that Muthoot Finance continues to be recognized as India's #1 most trusted financial service brand for the tenth consecutive year, along with being certified as a Great Place to work for 5 consecutive years. These allocates demonstrate the strength of our legacy and our commitment to sustainable long-term stakeholder value. I'm delighted to report that financial '27 has started on a strong note, continuing the robust momentum seen in the previous quarters. Our consolidated loan [indiscernible] has expanded by 43% year-on-year, reaching [ INR 1,91,000 ] crores as of June 30 compared to [ INR 1,33,000 ] crores in June 2025. On a sequential basis, consolidated AUM grew by 5%. The consolidated profit after tax for Q1 financial year '27 delivered a 43% year-on-year growth coming in at INR 2,825 crores. Stand-alone AUM, our loan AUM registered a 43% year-on-year growth, raising INR 17,000 crores. And the standalone profit after tax reached INR 2,550 crores, recording a growth of 25% year-on-year. The stand-alone income grew by 33% year-on-year to INR 7,613. Our return metrics remain best in class with a stand-alone return on average assets of 6.09 and return on average equity of 26.6% during the quarter. CapEx adequacy remains comfortably well above the regulatory requirement of requirement at 20.3%. Our core gold loan business continues to demonstrate exceptional market demand and operating leverage. As I said, the consolidated gold loan AUM rose to [ 1,75, 000 ] crores in stand-alone coal loan AUM to [ INR 1,66,000 ] crores, representing a 44% year-on-year increase. Regarding new customer acquisition during financial year '27, we disposed INR 8,937 crores in gold loans to over 4,18, 000 new customers. This reinforces our strong customer retention and expanding reach. The active customer base expanded to 65.77 lakhs in June adding over 1 lakhs 63 active customers during the quarter, up from 64 lakh in March '26. The branch productivity efficiency per branch improved significantly with average gold loan AUM per branch increasing by 40% year-on-year to INR 32.47 crores per branch. The asset quality remains stellar. Credit losses on gross loans stood at an absolute minimum of 0.05%. We expanded our fiscal process during the quarter were adding 86 new branches across the group, taking our group branch debt up to INR 7,654. Our subsidiaries are also performing smoothly and accelerating our vision of building a diversified nonbanking financial services. Muthoot Money Limited witnessed exponential growth. Loan AUM grew by 111% year-on-year to INR 10,550 crores, driven primarily by the strong growth of its gold loan portfolio. The total revenue surged once 137% year-on-year to INR 51 crores and profit after tax increased 366% to INR 172 crores. Asset quality improved further with Stage 3 assets declining to 0.67%. [ Belstar ] Micro Finance showed strong recurring profitability delivering a profit after tax of INR 66 crores for this quarter compared to a net loss in the corresponding quarter last year. Loan AUM stood at INR 7,842 crores as industry was stress moderated disbursement growth. Following the regulatory enabling for MFI to expand non-microfinance portfolio, [ Vesta ] opened 45 new gold loan branches in Q1 to diversify its product base. [indiscernible] AUM grew by 13% year-on-year to INR 3,496 crores and profit after tax stood at INR 4 crores, marking a 114% year-on-year increase. Asia Asset Finance or [ Sri Lanka ] subsidiary posted impressive performance with AM expanding 51% year-on-year to INR 5,270 crores and profit after tax surging 113% year-on-year to INR [indiscernible] crores. [indiscernible] insurance focus improved the premium collection of INR 70 crores and last profit after taxes has been [indiscernible]. [indiscernible], we believe the regulatory changes implemented from [indiscernible] in the gold on industry are structural positive. The strengthened transparency and drive formalization, which favors established trusted players like Muthoot Finance. While our primary gold loan business continues to perform solidly, our non-gold loan portfolios, spanning micro finance housing and business loans are contributing generally to our total assets. Coupled with our omnichannel digital framework, we are well positioned to capitalize on India's structural growth opportunities in financial inclusion. Thank you once again for joining us today. I now open the floor for your questions and look forward to an engaging discussion. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#4

[Operator Instructions] The first question is from the line of Digant Haria from [ GreenEdge ].

Digant Haria

analyst
#5

So my question is that we've seen a very sharp drop in the yield this quarter, almost something like 300 bps and -- a lot of other players, which have reported have not really seen yield drop at all. So just wanted to know like is this something based on the new strategy that we are targeting to compete with banks? Or what is it? Because the 300 bps seems a little high. And not that suddenly competition had gone up in the last 3 months. So there's some comments here, sir.

George Muthoot

executive
#6

Yes. Thank you. Yes. The yield in the quarter 4 was 50.76. And this year -- this quarter, it is 17.93. I agree there is a drop in the yield due to a variety of reasons like probably we have also reduced our interest rates in this quarter or the yield because of -- we are giving lower rates also. Higher rates are also there. Lower rates are also there. So probably this quarter, some of the lower rate loans would have taken more precisions. Number two, last year, third quarter and fourth quarter, where we saw 20%, et cetera, yield, was actually a very good year where our recoveries were really good. There were a lot of [indiscernible] which got renewed also. So renewal and rolled over last year. Till about last year, there were a lot of renewals and the interest collections, et cetera, were very good, and that is also factoring to follow the reasons for that. And probably as a steady state, 18 -- plus/minus maybe 18% to 18.5% should be the normal yield, which we should be looking at going forward also. So what we have now is 18%, 17.93%, probably going forward this year also, it should be 18% et cetera. So I think that's a decent yield what we got last year should we consider say windfall wind for [ 15]. So anyway, you were able to cash in on that, we have got the benefit of that. Going forward with the new strategies, et cetera, to strategies to grow the gold loan book, et cetera, probably there can be -- there was a [indiscernible] a determined effort to bring down the yield also. So we have not done the yield, but as we'll keep pricing we have after.

Digant Haria

analyst
#7

Okay, sir. That was a very detailed explanation. Sir, second question is that for this year also now there you see this gold loan -- gold prices, which are volatile. Second is that we have these new guidelines, which have started, the 75%, 80%, 85% LTV across life of the loan. Just wanted 2 questions here. One is your opening guidance for FY '27, you generally grew 15%. What would you like to give on behaviors [indiscernible]? And then second is that this gold on product has generally been a product where customers don't like to pay monthly interest. It's more being a [ bullet ] product for as long as the 15, 16 years, I have tracked this. So as the branches are we able to drive any change? Do we get to drive any change or -- and because the stage 1, stage 2 loan actually increase because of this regulation, nothing related to business, but there's thoughts on these 2 things, sir.

George Muthoot

executive
#8

Yes. I think you are right in saying that, yes, the regulatory changes. So actually, in the first 2 months, April and towards latter half of May, we were actually bringing in the new product. We were training our staff also for the new product -- new rates, new schemes, the 75%, 80% -- 85% [ schemes ], et cetera. And as you rightly said, we need to maybe retrain our staff and the customers to think of paying at least constant quarter -- it's not monthly, or in a quarter. I think after some time, we will -- we are seeing good response from the customers there, not that everybody is paying monthly. But it's not monthly, 2 months for 3 months. So that is what we are trying to implement. And I'm sure that will do well. And after May, we have seen very good traction in the AUM growth and I don't want to give any guidance to that, but we will revise the guidance in the next quarter. While we are reviewing the next quarter, we will revise the guidance. So AUM should keep growing. As I said, the yield also should be in the range of 18%, what I think in the coming quarters.

Operator

operator
#9

The next question is from the line of Piran Engineer from CLSA.

Piran Engineer

analyst
#10

Firstly, just on this yield drop thing, I wanted to understand there are no interest recoveries or any one-offs in this interest income number, right? Like last couple of quarters, we were out of top line.

George Muthoot

executive
#11

Lots of old loans, which were there, we were able to recover a lot of interest, that's happened in the last 2, 3 quarters. So I think those are behind us now.

Piran Engineer

analyst
#12

Okay. So this is a clear interest income number. And we are looking to increase this slightly, as you said, to 18%, 18.5%.

George Muthoot

executive
#13

Yes, I didn't say that we are going to increase, but I think it should settle at that level. It just sits at that level 18, 18 points.

Piran Engineer

analyst
#14

And just overall, in terms of disbursement TV now that the new norms are out, how has our average disbursement LTV changed with these due norms? Like for the entire disbursements done this quarter?

George Muthoot

executive
#15

Certain percentage of the customers are interested in the -- at 85%, which is below 2.5 lakhs. But majority of them still continue to take 75%. That range is what is still the disbursal rate. Not that everybody is taking 85%, et cetera. There are some people. So -- but then the advantage is that we can offer a [indiscernible] of products and make of choice to the customer. Somebody wants to pay monthly interest, somebody wants to pay yearly interest, yearly interest also, the scheme is there. But of course, the LTV will get produced because we have to factor in the next interest payment interest dues also for the next 12 months. So many combinations are there. People have got more choice, and that is why I said it took April and May for us to bring out good schemes, et cetera. I'm sure now the schemes have taken place, and we see good traction. So yes, I think to answer your question, the origination LTV has really not gone up. That was your question, I suppose.

Piran Engineer

analyst
#16

Okay. Let me give an example. If somebody wants a 12-month loan, INR 2, at what LTV will you give? Will it be the same in Q1 if you want the bullet loan versus their EMI?

Unknown Executive

executive
#17

No, that is different. So in case of [ bullet ] payment, if it is 12 months, you had to reduce the interest accrual. So if it is less than INR 2.5 lakhs, [indiscernible] minus interest accrual win and 5 lakh, it will be --

George Muthoot

executive
#18

Maybe we will get about 75% -- 77% of the --

Unknown Executive

executive
#19

You will get the [indiscernible] and 35.

Piran Engineer

analyst
#20

But given that most of our customers don't -- they pay interest off and on, they don't pay it regularly. So do we just assume that all the loans are bullet loans and then do that 85 million minus interest accrual --

Unknown Executive

executive
#21

We have all the schemes present now. And that's what [indiscernible] saying that it will take some time for the employees to [indiscernible] customers also to [indiscernible] vertical thing. Mostly, we are seeing that customers are taking somewhere around 35% [indiscernible].

George Muthoot

executive
#22

So we have -- you can pay monthly interest, you can say once in 3 months, 1 in 9 months, 1 in 12 months. So we have different schemes. But then LTV will be different in many of these things. If you actually deducting -- if somebody is a prepared to pay the month 3 interest. Then if it is a loan is 20 or flat, we can get all the 85%.

Piran Engineer

analyst
#23

Understood. And sir, what would the difference in the interest rate be between a monthly interest loan and a bullet loan as of today?

George Muthoot

executive
#24

No, it is not linked to [indiscernible]. It is not at all linked, just because these agree to pay monthly or is paying only once in 12 months, there is no in different [indiscernible]. Skills have different interest. It is not based on the repayment promise of 1 month and 3 months and 12 months.

Piran Engineer

analyst
#25

Okay. Understood. And just lastly, sir, this quarter, we've again turned around in terms of customer growth. Last 2 quarters, it was declining. What factors do you think led to this pickup in customer count or tonnage growth this quarter?

George Muthoot

executive
#26

Customer call definitely newer customers upcoming. But tonnage growth is actively what is always saying, the gold price. When the gold price falls, the [indiscernible] goes up because he has to bring more gold today. If the price is high, he brings in lesser gold, of course. That's what I have been trying to tell last 4 quarters, but I think people now will start understanding. The gold price [indiscernible] will keep on increasing because somebody wants 1 lakh earlier needs to go 10 crores. That is a good all [indiscernible]. Simple as that.

Operator

operator
#27

The next question is from the line of [ Shekar Doshi ] from [ Equiris ].

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#28

My question was on the product side. So are we still continuing with the [ Vanila ] gold loan product or we have also launched new products on the income-generating segment front?

George Muthoot

executive
#29

Yes, I think we -- I think CEOs say, saying that we have different products, monthly interest product, income-generating product, there iknd. Actually today, a book of products out there and too many people have pointed out choice today.

Unknown Executive

executive
#30

The income-generating loans, just to take advantage of LTV, we have not launched. Yes. I think that one may not be the correct way unless we are able to assess the repayment capacity as well as the end use of the product, that may lead to a problem. Many companies have started. I believe it the correct way, we will be starting and so on.

George Muthoot

executive
#31

So not just because somebody says is income-generating load, we can't give an income delta repayment capacity, except aim. If you bypass that, we will follow the [indiscernible].

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#32

Right, right. Got it, sir. So basically, we plan to launch the and wherein we can look at end use as well as evaluate income. [indiscernible], would we also comfortably give higher LTV? Or would you want to prudently manage it below 85%?

Unknown Executive

executive
#33

We also do have a no problem. So we assess them as the 85% LTV and less than 200 [indiscernible]. We take that because we see maybe 2%, 3%, 5% of our portfolio will be there. That is massive.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#34

Right, right. Got it, sir. Got it. Sir, the second question was on the tenure front. So why you highlighted about -- to the previous participant on the calculation side. But have we brought down the tenure to, let's say, 3 months, 6 months for our [indiscernible] product?

George Muthoot

executive
#35

I think I told you, we have a green product. We have a monthly interest product. We have a 6-month product, 9 months and 12 months. People can close and take, but we need to assist a longer-term outrepayment, the LTV has to be recalculated to a lower level. That's it.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#36

So then in that case, sir, are we seeing more interest because more interest for sorter tenure, and that is why the increase in [ GSI ] as well because it's all interlinked from that recognition standpoint.

George Muthoot

executive
#37

Our [indiscernible] calculations are not based -- not based on that. I think that is not something -- because of [indiscernible] -- it is based on many other factors, which have not discussed here.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#38

Got it. I'll take it offline.

Operator

operator
#39

The next question is from the line of [ Carsten].

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#40

Sir, I wanted to check if a rating of trade is in the offering, are there any discussions with the rating agencies regarding an upgrade?

George Muthoot

executive
#41

First of all, thank you for attending the call on a Saturday. We work, but I'm happy that -- and people are also working. So I think CFO will answer the [indiscernible].

Oommen Mammen

executive
#42

Glad that you asked, I hope analysts from [ Crisil ] and [ Ikar ] also there on the call. They are listening to it answer. We always have our hopes at our expectations. But again, we said it is with the -- and with the [indiscernible] rating agency, probably you should see good things happening now.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#43

And -- so no discussions. Okay. So no discussions that have happened and it's entirely the management we have had with the agencies regarding this? Or -- can you take us some time on the --

George Muthoot

executive
#44

Every 6 months, we engage with them, we pour our hears to them. We hope everything is go, but it takes time for them to also get comfortable and do this.

Operator

operator
#45

The next question is from the line of [ Sivakumar ] from [indiscernible].

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#46

Sir, my question is with regards to the increasing competition in the segment. We are seeing -- of course, we have seen the competition from the banks. We have done that -- we have dealt with that in the past. But now increasingly, most of the major NBFCs are also increasingly focused on the gold loan segment. So will be -- will there be any change in strategy in-house in terms of interest rates or the way you branch out the network in terms of how you will deal with the increasing competition from other NBFCs?

George Muthoot

executive
#47

Compensation from total NBFC business today is only INR 4 lakh crores. Total bag gold on stream lakes were INR 16 lakh crores, [indiscernible]. Anyway, from NBFC, et cetera, we [indiscernible] strategy for any NBFCs. But with all the competition, whether this bag or NBFC, we have the same good customer service, quick service, and customers generally feel that [indiscernible] the right place to come for a core level. That is what has been our brand strength. [indiscernible] has always been the forefront of marketing or marketing the concept of gold. So people definitely refer to that field that the [indiscernible]. So combination will come. There is a special strategy for competition. We'll do our best customer service. It will be the best. We will do all that is necessary. But probably, as I was saying in the beginning also, probably that we may see some yield compression, et cetera, but we what we have earlier maybe 20% excess at said, it will be around 18% plus. So that's still a decent yield for us because we have the legacy book and the city portfolio. The new prices or coming will have to -- we'll have to content with low interest rate schemes to compete with banks. They have also to compete with back to compete with other also. But we having a legacy portfolio with the SEC customers we have some advantages there. So these are some things which are any -- as the quarters go, we will see the fittest will survive and the non-focused people will go -- that is what we are already in earlier also. People are not fully focused or fully into this, have just started a gold loan business just for starting a whole room business, I don't think they will be able to sustain. But somebody who is keen fully with the board on like Muthoot probably we have an opportunity there. And it just wait for the next few quarters to see what is [indiscernible] to happen.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#48

Got it, sir. Sir, and in terms of geographical focus, South East still 49% of our total AUM. So going forward, how much cope of growth do you see from the other more recent areas like, say, the Eastern India and Northern India. Do you still see scope for growth there? Or do you think this is what we can do, the pace of growth in those geographies?

Unknown Executive

executive
#49

The gold oil business is growing everywhere. South -- it's just that South it started much earlier, maybe a few decades earlier started in South. So people sold are more [indiscernible] to odor comfortable with the [indiscernible]. That comfort is really catching up in other states also, not [indiscernible]. Our geographical location of starting his own, we have [indiscernible] everywhere. There's no place [indiscernible]. If you step whether we want to add more branches in the place, maybe like you want to add more branches, we will add more busier therefore only or later, et cetera. So we have [indiscernible] there. We have [indiscernible] offices there. So wherever we see a business we have and year to the growth in all these places because we have marketing and sales people and also our [indiscernible] working. So they know where the potential is and then we open branches there. There is no geography we have left out. But as you said, South is also [indiscernible], it's more because the business also is more itself. If you look at the statistics of [indiscernible], 17% of the gold loan business is from South. Even for bank, [indiscernible]. So South has started on what his [indiscernible] or still cases, but there is -- there's potential in both places. So answering the question, we will be opening branches. Wherever there is a potential or wherever we see there is scope for getting more new business.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#50

And one last question, if I can chip in. What is your plan for [indiscernible], because even after so many years, we are still -- I think we are undergoing in terms of the potential there, we adjusted INR 7,800 crores. And now that we are seeing that microfinance segment has stabilized across the country, will you start getting aggressive in terms of loan growth order.

George Muthoot

executive
#51

Answer first to your question, you don't be aggressive in [indiscernible] microfinance. That's the first question first answer. The second is we would like to have a very calibrated less risky portfolio. And we have actually trained our own instructions to the [ Vesta ] team to do macro only with selected good quality customers, not just for the sake of [indiscernible]. See, microfinance, 1 quarter you will see doing well. Next quarter, you will see something is happening. After 3 quarters, you will see something else. So -- it is like that. It is a cyclical business, et cetera. But we have tried to take advantage or trying to use the facility of the other loans by doing gold loans or so there. Today, we have 100 plus branches opened only another 50 in the next 3 months to do exclusively gold, and they have started their doing well. So we'll have a mix of second and unsecured. Secured lending as a policy, we would like -- it's unsecured in the [indiscernible], we would like to give only to better good quality customers, not for the sake of [indiscernible] because we don't want to show anybody that we need to do a lot of mix of [indiscernible]. If you [indiscernible].

Operator

operator
#52

The next question is from the line of [ Naga Garg ] from Ambit Capital.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#53

I have 2 questions. One, I was going through your last quarter transcript with the other quarter -- am I audible now?

Unknown Executive

executive
#54

Yes, better.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#55

Okay. Sir, I was going through the last quarter transcript as of 14th May. And at that time, you had indicated that you did not see the need to lower your yields from the 20%. So for your yields to drop 300 basis points quarter-on-quarter, the yields from late May to June would have to be lower than 18%. So is that understanding correct? And if yes, then can you tell me what is the average yield for the month of June or maybe July? That's my first question.

Unknown Executive

executive
#56

So [indiscernible], no, there are a couple of things as in this [indiscernible]. Last year, I know it was an extraordinary where we saw gold prices increasing top up happening. So where we are able to do most of the recurring connections, but needing to give any discussed for customers or auctioning of no amounts of gold under recovery, et cetera. So that is one thing. Then there was NPA accounts, we have -- we could collect most of the full income. Third, the ARP investment presence we are directly because their principal recovery has happened, the remaining amount was coming into the [indiscernible] specifically, the fourth quarter -- third and fourth quarter we saw a large amount of renewals happening, especially because the new regulatory regime was kicking in from first of April. So we encourage also these customers to do rollover top-ups, et cetera. So most of the loans, as you know that we follow a remain structure. So a lot of these loans because of the rate rollover outstanding at a lower restructure currently. Probably they will increase to migrate to higher levels. So that is an important factor which have also resulted easily. Then as has said, some reductions we have done in the first quarter. [indiscernible]

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#57

Lastly, how much would the reduction --

Unknown Executive

executive
#58

Increased gold prices in the fourth quarter. Those incomes are not there in the first quarter. Yes, go ahead. Please.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#59

So no, I was just saying that how much have the reductions been? And another related question is that if you can give the use for June considering that all of April and half of May was at 20% yield, so if you can help us with the yield in the June -- in the month of June. That will be very helpful.

Unknown Executive

executive
#60

So we don't have any bifurcation as for June and you need to understand what led to this. So these are reasons why -- thanks to -- we don't have an exact breakup because of this or what happened in June, et cetera, what is the interest income.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#61

Sure. And the second question is on your cost of borrowings. How much more do you think it can increase from here? Or will it settle here? It's up about 7 bp quarter-on-quarter.

Unknown Executive

executive
#62

No. So I'm not expecting any reductions in the cost of borrowing. It will mostly remain at these levels. on [indiscernible], which might -- it can go up. It all depends on how RB is going to look at revising the benchmark rates.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#63

Understood. Maybe another 5, 7 [indiscernible] this? Any ballpark number, whatever.

Unknown Executive

executive
#64

Part of much in a business where you're generating a 5% plus ROE.

Operator

operator
#65

[Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Rajiv Mehta from Yes Securities.

Rajiv Mehta

analyst
#66

Just on the -- you said that there is no interest difference between a customer paying quarterly or things semiannually or paying any. And you said that the pricing will vary across teams. So what do you mean the scheme? And what is the pricing range difference across schemes? I mean on a per month basis on an annual basis, what are the different lending rates or structures that we are offering and what is the price range right now through the branches here?

George Muthoot

executive
#67

Many of these things which you asked is there in our website. But I don't want to go into the granular details of how we correct [indiscernible] public for [indiscernible]. So I think that is --

Rajiv Mehta

analyst
#68

What -- just to -- sir, where is the customer will pay you quarterly, semiannual or maybe annually also intense, but the principal payment comes at the end of the term of the loan, right? And some of the loans remains at 12 months.

George Muthoot

executive
#69

We have 12 months load. We have 9 months loan. We are 3 months ago. Monthly interest loan also.

Rajiv Mehta

analyst
#70

Were these recently introduced or they were always there?

Oommen Mammen

executive
#71

All these things were entrance from first of April.

Rajiv Mehta

analyst
#72

Would be -- Okay. Yes, yes. And just lastly, just to focus back on volume growth because maybe the gold are stable and maybe I can see that there is a good pickup in customer acquisition, old customer reactivation. What will -- what is driving -- I mean, how are you driving your branches to acquire more customers, retain old customers? Because I'm sure there will be a lot of pressure on competitors also to take over your customer. So how are we driving our branches to ensure that we get good volume growth in a year when the gold prices could be largely stable?

George Muthoot

executive
#73

Most of these are internal strategies. We have strategies to retain our customers, their strategies to get customers, et cetera. Again, again, we like to only demonstrate that on our performance. And I'm sure going forward also, see, you saw the gold price coming down and still the AM going up. So it is not the function of the gold price that the business is good. The business is growing because there is need for funding. So that is something which I have been telling for the last several quarters, but people sometimes refuse to understand that, refuse to understand that. So it is not just because I have a high gold price, I'm going to borrow big money. [indiscernible] I feel that I can repay, otherwise, is [indiscernible]. Sort of selling it is borrowing is wanting to be paid. So we have our strategies for all these things, all these competition, et cetera. And I'm sure in the next quarters, you will see good growth in [indiscernible].

Operator

operator
#74

[Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Nidhesh Jain from Investec.

Nidhesh Jain

analyst
#75

The first question is on LTV. What is our LTV as of June, including accrued interest?

Oommen Mammen

executive
#76

So it will be around 65% or 66%. [indiscernible]

Nidhesh Jain

analyst
#77

Okay. That does include accrued interest also, right?

Unknown Executive

executive
#78

Okay.

Nidhesh Jain

analyst
#79

And second is what gives you confidence that our yields will be stabilizing at 18. In 1 quarter, we have seen 300 basis point decline in yields and I believe that in 1 quarter, the entire book would not have come for renewal. So the large part of the book, say, 40%, 50% of the book will still come for renewal in coming quarters. So what gives you confidence that it will stabilize at [ '18 ] only when the new old book, which is a latest 22% will come for renewal. That is one. And what is the incremental yield in quarter 1 when we have disbursed the loans? What is the incremental lease on those loans?

George Muthoot

executive
#80

So I think as I said, generally, will be 80, 18.5%. Ingemetal yields are a basket of. We have higher portal, we have lower, et cetera. What gives me confidence is just my experience in the last 25 years in this company with gold. It gives me the experience to say what will happen, what will be testing, et cetera. So that's what I should be referring to here.

Unknown Executive

executive
#81

So Nidhesh, fourth quarter, as I said earlier, there have been a very large amount of renewals -- now we need not be too much concerned about in the new scenario because we are rolling out mostly the short-term end schemes. Up because it's a short run, we can always reprice at a shorter introvert. So that flexibility we are having. And based on that, we are fairly looking at the real range of 18 to 18.5 percentage.

Nidhesh Jain

analyst
#82

Sir. And if you can share the data on incremental X on gold loans for quarter 1, that would be helpful.

George Muthoot

executive
#83

The last -- this quarter was INR 17.93 last quarter, 19.56%, related to that 20.76.

Oommen Mammen

executive
#84

So the current turn on gold loan schemes and as Bas said, it is there in the website. We have a number of product pricing for that.

Nidhesh Jain

analyst
#85

Sure, sure. And the last question is how many -- what percent of disperse spend are happening at 85,000 LTV ballpark number?

Unknown Executive

executive
#86

Very low maybe 5%. That's 45%.

George Muthoot

executive
#87

See, again, as is the same, everybody just doesn't borrow just because the price is there. They borrow only to the extent of what they feel they'll be able to replace. That is how people borrow. Otherwise, they will all go and sell this gold. I set it better to sell the [ goods ] than take 75% or 70% or 85. So 85, is your answer [indiscernible] I just start, it may be 3%, 4%.

Operator

operator
#88

The next question is from the line of [ Gaurav Khandelwal ] from JPMorgan.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#89

I'm relatively new to the company, so what I'm just trying to understand. In the last 20 years, the mix of loans in South region has come down from almost 50% now. Where do you look at this going in the next 5 to 10 years? And if I can also get your views on -- do you think that the penetration rate of gold loans in Southern India is high, and hence, there is a need to shift to north or east or west or any other part outside of South? Or is it just a function of getting more business in other regions. So I just wanted your thoughts around that.

George Muthoot

executive
#90

I answered that in the south -- the concept of gold loan was there much earlier than in North India or people were we're aware of gold loan and people started, you see gold loan at the product. Maybe a few decades, corporate-sized gold loans may be much earlier. So that is why there is a head starting he start in South India. But Northeast and West is definitely catching up. And again, the credit should go to Muthoot for marketing the concept of world other than South. We were the 5 years in this we are the people who introduced the gold loan as say, business loan proposition to North India. Today, North India is also having a lot of business. So there is potential there. South India is only 1/4 of it. northeast service. So there is always potential there. So whether we will stop opening branches in South India. No, because South India still has a lot of gold loan potential, and there is scope for more people. North India, the file is less penetrated. It needs a little more concept saving also in newer places. So when concept saving also happens much better, at East and West we also start doing better.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#91

Got it. So is it fair to say that in next 5 to 10 years, there's some degree of possibility that the 50% south mix goes down to maybe 40% or even lower.

George Muthoot

executive
#92

How about this 50% disruptive doesn't do a --

Oommen Mammen

executive
#93

See Northeast and West is a larger geography, South is --

George Muthoot

executive
#94

It's only 1/4.

Unknown Executive

executive
#95

It is not that South absolute loan amount has come down. loaded has grown up, but Northeasterner, so.

George Muthoot

executive
#96

It's a concept when people start accepting ore as a concept, gold or a concept, it will not pick up in North India also.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#97

Got it. And my second question is what is something on regulations or competitions that keeps you the most worried about business?

Unknown Executive

executive
#98

You've done -- to your point, banks have always been there, and you've been competing with them for many decades now. But what are top 1 or 2 things top of your mind, which keeps you worried about the business?

George Muthoot

executive
#99

It's nothing -- there is no single thing [indiscernible]. This test that we need to do better and better. We need to be one step ahead of everybody competition. And more than being one step ahead, we need to we need to continue to continue to get the cut. That trust is a trust business. So we should continue to get the trust of the customers, then everything else is [indiscernible] -- everything is [indiscernible].

Operator

operator
#100

The next question is from the line question from [indiscernible] from Morgan Stanley.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#101

A couple of data point questions if you could provide us the loan mix by ticket size as well as the auction number for the quarter? And my second question is on your branch addition plan. So I feel that you have added about 60 branches. In the first quarter at the standalone level, if you could this layout of branch addition plans for the stand-alone business for the full year as well as for to -- that's [indiscernible] question.

Unknown Executive

executive
#102

So no ticket size above INR [indiscernible],000 is 38%. 1 lakh to 3 lakh is 35% [indiscernible].

George Muthoot

executive
#103

And the branches we opened 85 branches, probably in this year, we should be opening under 500 to 600 produces overall in the group.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#104

And specifically for stand-alone, if you could tell us, sir?

Unknown Executive

executive
#105

Standalone?

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#106

Yes, Muthoot Finance.

George Muthoot

executive
#107

So maybe INR 2 crore to INR 20 crore.

Operator

operator
#108

The next question is from the line of [ Bharat Shah], BT Capital Idea Private Limited.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#109

Yes. Thank you. Basically competitive conditions may become far more intense than you might have probably felt that way only a few months back because leave come down the [indiscernible] architecture of the products is equal to what we reported in December quarter at INR 2,825 odd crores. So am I to understand that probably the current year overall is likely to be a bit of a push out as we our performances was out in the sense of achieving any meaningful growth not wash out in any other sense, but any meaningful growth in the bottom line in the current year looks unlikely, as I see.

George Muthoot

executive
#110

I think you have -- you have given the question and the answer also. [indiscernible] so what you need an answer from me then.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#111

On the transformation, whether I'm thinking to --

Oommen Mammen

executive
#112

News about wash out. The company has made a profit of INR 2,500, which is almost like 6% ROE how many companies in India is making that kind of an ROA. Still it is better. I think in the initial questions, we explained in detail what led to that comparative profit quarter-on-quarter. But from last year, we have suddenly -- there is an increase of almost 25% on profits. We explained to you what are the reasons which is leading to a quarter-on-quarter decline because last year was an extraordinary year and quarter. So that explains this. We also gave the reasons of renewals, et cetera, happened in the last quarter, especially large amount of renewals has happened, which is leading to the loans are almost remaining at a lower slabs for a better portion of the quarter and the shorter duration. So which is leading to lower interest income. And I think we are fairly -- those extraordinary incomes are not going to be present in the current year. So I think we are fairly comfortable with the interest yield of around 18%, 18.5%, which can generate a good decent ROA.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#113

No, I let me rectify myself. I use completely wrong word wash out, and I quickly corrected that wash out more in the sense of achieving growth. Over 20 years that I'm seeing Muthoot Finance, and I've been observing it year after year. It has consistently produced a meaningful growth in the band of 15% to 20% over year after year over the 20-year period that I have seen. And this current year probably looks to move that given the sharp drop in the yield, that probably current care may not produce any meaningful growth in the bottom line. In that sense, of achieving any meaningful growth in the bottom line, I use that word, but I stand corrected. I didn't mean wash out in any other things. But then the profitability actually profits probably may not grow by any -- maybe by a single digit is what it looks like to me in the current year, which is below [indiscernible].

Oommen Mammen

executive
#114

We don't give any profit guidance. What we really give a guidance of AUM growth because secondary for us for us, loan growth is the primary factor. We believe that profits will follow. So we have given a guidance of 15% because considering that last year, we had a good growth -- we also expect some revision to happen after the half yearly results. So let's review the growth numbers we achieved until September. And then accordingly, we can give the rebase guidance if it is needed.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#115

15% from June? So March 26% to 15%. So roughly about INR 20, INR [ 10,000 ] crores or higher.

Unknown Executive

executive
#116

So on -- we had like [ 50 000 ] and 15% means it's almost like [ 178 000 ].

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#117

No, no. I mean, our asset base was INR 18,000 crores is on March 26. So 15% will mean ... I'm talking consolidated.

Unknown Executive

executive
#118

Okay. Okay. Maybe [indiscernible] 15%.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#119

Okay. And which means we probably explains characters and cost of fund you verify it already. Therefore, the patent probably in the quarters ahead will replicate based on the size of the business, again, similar to what we have seen in June. That would be a fair assumption to be, right?

Unknown Executive

executive
#120

So that's what I said. No, we don't generally get into the profit guidance. We give a growth guidance. So let's see how that is panning out.

Operator

operator
#121

The next question is from the line of Abhijit Tibrewal from Motilal Oswal.

Abhijit Tibrewal

analyst
#122

Sir, as you would have seen all the participants who are there on the call today for the last few quarters, you were already trying to understand what is really happening on the yields? How much is the recoveries in the interest income that we were reporting? And I think in last 3 quarters, 4 quarters, we are all struggling given the expansion in which we have explained already, the or recoveries and not being there were renewals last quarter and side, the loans are sitting at a lower rate given the repeat structure that you follow. So sir, I mean just a humble request on my side. We are the largest gold loan company, almost a [ 1.] 25 billion market cap. So I think that it's a fair ask when we asked you that what are the clean gold loans, which were there for the last 2 quarters? And what are the key going this quarter? So just articulate that for all of us that will be very useful for everyone in the call.

Oommen Mammen

executive
#123

I think we gave a yield is up about 7 --

George Muthoot

executive
#124

Yield is 17.93%. Last quarter, it was 19.6%. Previous to that is [indiscernible]. That's a yield. So this year, the yield is 17.93%. So this quarter or --

Abhijit Tibrewal

analyst
#125

So sir, all the numbers that you said just now, do they include the recoveries as well? Or are these clearly gold loan yields without any recoveries?

Unknown Executive

executive
#126

Got recovery -- what is the --

Abhijit Tibrewal

analyst
#127

Where I'm asking? So recoveries from the NPA loans where you were able to recover the overdue in ...

Oommen Mammen

executive
#128

[ NPA ] recoveries happens, rollovers, I know when it happens. If it is at the highest lab,those recoveries happen. The -- or old recoveries have to as [indiscernible]. ARC receipts, no [indiscernible] someone and about that happens. Auction [indiscernible] has happened, those incomes will happen will be --

Unknown Executive

executive
#129

All those are included in the --

George Muthoot

executive
#130

Top-up charges we collected, that also included -- that also will come in ...

Oommen Mammen

executive
#131

So post situations are not there in the first quarter. And additionally, we have also fine-tuned some of the rate structure in the light of the new regime. To that extent, there could be some impact also. So steady state, we expect 18% to 18.5% yield, steady state.

Abhijit Tibrewal

analyst
#132

Got it, sir. Got it. And sir, which is where, I mean, I am at least finding it a little difficult to understand that despite whatever recoveries we had over the last few quarters, how can yields decline by around 1 quarter?

Unknown Executive

executive
#133

What you need to understand is these are not long-term fixed rate contracts. These are all short-term contracts. So there, I know it all depends on -- and we are dealing with now 100,000 customers a day.

Oommen Mammen

executive
#134

So there, the loan cycles are very short. And added to that, these kind of fluctuations impact the yield.

Unknown Executive

executive
#135

As I said, profit is secondary for us. The loan growth is important and how we take care of the customers. So to that extent, we follow different policies at different points of time, which will have an impact on rain. But we believe that 18% yield is something -- maintained.

Abhijit Tibrewal

analyst
#136

And then the last question that I had was -- I mean, just trying to understand whatever I've heard on this call until now -- intensity [indiscernible] is the, I think [indiscernible] used ...

Oommen Mammen

executive
#137

Can you repeat the question? There was a break in between. Hello?

Abhijit Tibrewal

analyst
#138

Sir, is it better now?

George Muthoot

executive
#139

Yes. Yes, we can hear you. Just repeat the question.

Abhijit Tibrewal

analyst
#140

Yes, sir. So I was just trying to understand this, sir. I mean I mean whatever I have heard on this call, somewhere I think that we are now acknowledging the high competitive intensity, which is there. And I think, I mean, last couple of quarters, we've all been asking. And to that end, what about changes you have done on the interest rate structure, why you plan to aggressively compete now? Only the only thing here is that I heard and [indiscernible] let's see whose the fittest to survive, let us wait for a few more quarters. Just trying to understand, can [indiscernible] in the next 2 to 3 quarters get to a point where every one, every gold loan vendor in the country starts cutting rates on gold loans, and you'll remember that time between maybe December 2020 to June 23, where for us, also the lens has declined by about 350 basis points. So can we get to a point in the next couple of quarters if everyone starts competing aggressively.

Oommen Mammen

executive
#141

Quite possible. There could be question where everyone drops their rates, et cetera. There is certainly a possibility of that. But we have our benchmark -- and even with these rates, we have been able to generate growth this quarter of almost 6%. That is about INR 9,000 crores of growth.

Abhijit Tibrewal

analyst
#142

Yes, sir. And sir, lastly, I think this data keeping question, you had shared the mix of gold loans by ticket size. My line was not good, so if you could just [indiscernible] for 1Q and [indiscernible] number, please?

Unknown Executive

executive
#143

So about 3 lakhs, no it is -- hello. Just give me a second. So March '25, it is [ 38% ] above 3 lakhs, and like 3 lakh is 35 percentage. June ...

Abhijit Tibrewal

analyst
#144

The number that you said now for March '26.

Oommen Mammen

executive
#145

Sorry, sorry, just a second. Sorry. I think March, June '26, I think both relaxes [indiscernible] this [indiscernible]. Sorry, earlier number [indiscernible].

Abhijit Tibrewal

analyst
#146

This was June '26, sorry. And what is March '26?

Oommen Mammen

executive
#147

March '26 is 50-odd percentage. Both [indiscernible] 30 percentage.

Abhijit Tibrewal

analyst
#148

Got it. And the auction number?

Unknown Executive

executive
#149

This quarter. [indiscernible].

Operator

operator
#150

That was the last question for today. I now hand the conference over to the management for the closing comments. Thank you, and over to you sir.

George Muthoot

executive
#151

Thank you. Thank you, well wishers and investors for attending the call today on a Saturday evening. So we wish you all the best. And from our side, we will ensure that the company runs well, the company makes adequate business, company makes adequate profit and all stakeholders are kept happy. So that is our job, and we will continue to do that certainly with basis of everybody, including you, the analysts, et cetera, who generally, give us good guidance and good information also. So we will -- we appreciate that and goodbye from the management team and good day to all of you.

Operator

operator
#152

On behalf of DAM Capital, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.

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