Boliden AB (publ) (NEXA) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

August 27, 2026

NYSE US Materials Metals and Mining m_and_a 53 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Olof Grenmark

executive
#1

Ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to welcome you to this webcast based on today's press release. My name is Olof Grenmark, and I'm Head of Investor Relations. Today, we will have a presentation led by our President and CEO, Mikael Staffas; and our CFO, Håkan Gabrielsson. Mikael, welcome.

Mikael Staffas

executive
#2

Good morning, everybody, and welcome to this webcast regarding the announcement we just made this morning about the acquisition of a majority stake in Nexa Resources. We will go through -- I will go through some of the key features of the -- both the target and of the deal, and then we will open up for questions and answers. So if you look at this from a Boliden point of view, Boliden is clearly ready for -- to take a next step. We've had a strong financial position for a long time, and we have a good balance sheet. We built a leading position in Europe that we already have with strong ESG potentials. We've shown a continuous organic growth based on profitable investments and successful exploration. We have a well-developed portfolio of projects, robust and efficient productivity and seamless integration of recent acquisitions. So we clearly feel ready for taking a next step. So what are the rationale for this transaction? Well, number one, it's an excellent fit, and it provides an entry point into Latin America for Boliden on a very low risk compared to any other alternative. We are getting good operating cash flow generating assets with an existing management that will largely stay around to be able to manage this. We will also have one of the more important financial and industrial partners in South America to help us as they become a shareholder in Boliden. And Latin America, of course, is attractive mining jurisdictions and also fits well with a low carbon profile that is well known to Boliden. This also gives us access to Nexa's local sourcing. As you know, we today need to source about half of the concentrate for our smelters on the international market, which is basically a lot of South America, and this will make us better in those procurements. And as I said, we will become -- get Votorantim, one of the biggest industrial groups in South America, to come in and partner with us and become a shareholder in Boliden. This is creating a globally diversified and resilient operations. We're getting a significantly increase and become a significant player of zinc globally across both mining and smelting, a highly relevant portfolio of base metals and precious metals that will come with us, and we will continue to focus on the operations as we've done historically as well as focus on safety. And here, the culture of the 2 organizations are quite similar. The transaction is immediately accretive to the Boliden shareholders. This is -- as I said, this is a company that has positive cash flows and positive results coming in from day 1. And it's about an 8% or better contribution to EPS. So what about Nexa? Well, Nexa is a mining and smelting, actually long smelting just as Boliden, although with a slightly higher degree of integration. It has assets across Brazil and Peru, and we'll come into the actual assets as we go forward. It is mainly a zinc producer, as you can see here in terms of zinc metal, it's the zinc metal from the zinc smelters. In terms of mine production, it does, as always, you get by credits coming from copper, from silver and from gold. If you look at then the mining operations of Nexa, puts altogether 5 mines with a variety of history, Aripuanã is the youngest and newest operations. It's a long life of mine that's coming into play, about 2 million tonnes per year. Production has been ramping up and is now producing well since a while back. Vazante is a little bit of a specialty miner in the sense that it produces a specialty concentrate that is very well integrated with the Três Marias smelter, and we'll see on the next page, about 2 million tonnes per year as well in terms of size, and it's been producing for a long time. If you move over to Peru, there is the Atacocha mine up in the Cerro Pasco area. It's been in production a long time. It's had its ups and downs, but it has a concentrate plant capacity of 1.6 million tonnes, and moving on. It is very close geographically to El Porvenir, which is the last one here on the slide, which are going to, as we move forward, going to be operating more and more in combination. And then there's the Cerro Lindo operation, which is the biggest underground mine in Peru. Annual concentrate goes around 7 million tonnes, I should say, but also with a good long historic development. On the smelting side, there are 3 smelters. In Brazil, there are 2 smelters, Três Marias, which is a somewhat of a specialty smelter specializing on the concentrate quality that comes out of the Vazante mine, but can also take other sources and is producing around -- well, more 150,000 tonnes in a good year. Juiz de Fora is smaller, more specialized smelter doing lots of zinc products, not just pure zinc, but zinc specialty products and also using on top of virgin feed also quite a lot of recycling of zinc. And then there's Cajamarquilla, which is the big smelter, which is located in Peru. It's the largest zinc smelter in South America, production around 350,000 tonnes per year, very similar in many of the technology choices to our Kokkola smelter in Boliden and in size also similar to the Odda expansion that's where we're working our way forward. So if you look at Boliden on a stand-alone and with Nexa consolidated in, we see that zinc increases a lot up to -- if you account for 100% of the Nexa production up to well over 650,000 tonnes per year. There's also an increase in copper and in lead production. Precious metals as well, especially silver comes up significantly, whereas gold has a marginal increase. And we will also see that zinc resources and reserves come up quite a lot in line basically with production. And we also see the zinc metal production coming up and the combined will be over 1 million tonnes of zinc per year. This will make the Boliden-Nexa combination one of the largest zinc miners in the world together with Hindustan Zinc and Glencore, with a variety of assets, basically in second and third and fourth quartile assets, where, as you can see, again, the Nexa assets fit well in within the Boliden assets, and that's not a surprise given that they're very similar in many senses in terms of geology, in terms of technology and so on moving forward. And if you look over to the smelter side, this will also pro forma put us over 1 million tonnes, similar to Glencore and Korea zinc in terms of size, with cash margins once again spread over the large part of the cost curve. So with that, Håkan, I'll leave it over to you to talk a little bit about the financials.

Håkan Gabrielsson

executive
#3

So thank you, Mikael, and good morning. As Mikael pointed out, the financials in these transactions are attractive. The assets we're looking at, the assets involved are good assets that generate cash flow. We also see from the combined entity, a strong consolidated EBITDA with limited additional CapEx. For the 2 units -- for the 2 companies combined, consolidated rolling 12 months EBITDA amounted to about USD 4 billion, whereas the CapEx amounted to roughly USD 2.1 billion. Mikael also pointed out that it is an accretive transaction with an immediate contribution of about 8% to EPS based on broker consensus. And looking at Nexa Resources, they have been generating a strong return on capital employed with about 20% in the most recent quarter. Going into a little bit more details about the transactions as such. The consideration is that Votorantim will receive 0.25 Boliden shares for each Nexa share. And that means that they will own about 7% in Boliden. That puts the equity value of Nexa of about USD 2 billion on a 100% basis. Regarding the structure of the acquisition of Votorantim shares, that represents just shy of 65% of Nexa's capital will be paid by newly issued Boliden shares. It has also been agreed that following closing, Boliden has agreed with Nexa to launch a voluntary tender offer to purchase for cash any Nexa shares not acquired at closing at a cash price determined by reference to the fixed exchange ratio agreed with Votorantim &im and the 20-day volume weighted average price of Boliden shares prior to closing. Following the closing, Boliden will also launch a mandatory tender offer to minority shareholders of Nexa's listed Peruvian subsidiaries. Regarding approvals and conditions, this is subject to Boliden shareholder approval where a simple majority is required. There is also the customary regulatory approvals needed and certain other closing conditions that are customary for a transaction of this kind. This slide doesn't change. Anyone can help change the slide for me. Take the next slide. Sorry, it seems to be in the slide here. Let's see. Sorry about this. So the key transaction milestones is that we are expecting closing in Q1 of 2027. That's the best estimate as of now. And before closing, we will need Boliden EGM for the shareholder vote. Nexa will also need an EGM, and then we have the regulatory approvals. And after closing, we've talked about the voluntary tender offer to remaining shareholders in Nexa Resources as well as the mandatory tender offer to minority shareholders in Peru. So Mikael, with that...

Mikael Staffas

executive
#4

Well, thank you, Håkan, and I will not really say anything more than just summarize this, that we will be able to put a strategic fit and to put a new entity into our working, which is very similar and familiar to us with a metal and mining jurisdictions that we like and providing also portfolio diversification to us. We will continue with integrated mining to smelting model, which is an excellent fit with Boliden's existing operations. There will be additional cash flow generated to this for the mining and smelting units, significant growth opportunities with development upside, and the transaction is expected to be immediately accretive to Bolin shareholders. So with that, I will turn it over to the operator and start the questions and answers.

Operator

operator
#5

[Operator Instructions] The next question comes from Alain Gabriel from Morgan Stanley.

Alain Gabriel

analyst
#6

I have 2 questions from my side. I'll take them one at a time. Firstly, on the capital structure, Mikael, you have arranged for $2 billion of financing, which is much greater than what you could possibly need to acquire the minority shareholders. Firstly, why was this financing arrangement needed? And then second, on a pro forma basis, your potential acquisition of minorities could push your gearing towards the high 30s or low 40s, which is much higher than what your target is. How does that feed into how you are thinking about your capital structure? That's my first question.

Mikael Staffas

executive
#7

Yes. And just to put in perspective on this, the minority, we have agreed to extend an offer to the minority, which is similar to the one that we have for the majority. It is a cash-based offer and that has to do with legal basis around that. We do not know, just to be very frank, what the uptake will be. But as always, when you do things like this, you want to make sure that you do not stand without liquidity. So yes, you could argue that the backstop facility that we have arranged is more than covering this more than ever needed. But as I said, you don't want to stand dry in a situation like this. So that's a lot of extra liquidity. Regarding the kind of balance sheet numbers, as you pointed out, yes, if we get 100% uptake, we will get up to the numbers that you mentioned. On the other hand, if we do get 100% uptake, we will also get 100% of the cash flow that comes out. And we're pretty certain that we will be able to work down the debt levels very quickly in that situation. And we -- just to kind of put on the obvious, we do not intend to change any of our capital structure goals over time because of this transaction.

Alain Gabriel

analyst
#8

That's very clear. And the second question is on the synergies. This deal could be somewhat transformative to the Boliden investment case. However, there was no synergy number attached to the slides or to the communication earlier today. How should we think about the synergistic value of this deal? What value do you bring to the table by combining the 2 assets? Are there some numbers you can just share with us?

Mikael Staffas

executive
#9

No. And well, number one, we have not, and that's on purpose, you have said there is no synergy numbers out there. There are potential synergies that we will look at over time. It depends a little bit also on what uptake we will have. But the fields of synergies are that there is clearly a synergy of technical sharing. There's a potential synergy of procuring concentrates in South America. And then the other synergies are more in line with having a wider portfolio and thus a less risky portfolio over time. But we have, on purpose, not put a number to these, and this is not a deal that is dependent on a high synergy number.

Operator

operator
#10

The next question comes from Adrian Gilani from ABG Sundal Collier.

Adrian Gilani Göransson

analyst
#11

Two questions from my end. I guess, first of all, can you talk a bit about the sort of investment needs of the new assets? And if you were to sort of put any potential bigger investments like mine life extensions into the current CapEx pipeline that we're familiar with for you guys?

Mikael Staffas

executive
#12

Just on investments in general, these assets are today cash flow positive or excess cash flow positive with ongoing maintenance CapEx as it stands. There are not foreseen in the short-term foreseeable future, any major investment for prolongations. There are prolongation kind of projects, but they will not be of a major CapEx extent. Then there's a whole set of potential in the portfolio of Nexa that will require CapEx, but those are, number one, voluntary and number two, probably a few years out. So there should not be any cash flow -- any need to provide cash flow into the Nexa system.

Adrian Gilani Göransson

analyst
#13

Understand. And I guess as a follow-up, can you walk us through sort of what underpins the cash cost position of the mines? They are all above the median and especially considering the significant silver byproduct, what is pushing them above the median cash cost? And are there clear improvements here that can be made fairly soon?

Mikael Staffas

executive
#14

You always have to be careful with these cash cost curves that you get and you have to look into detail what silver price they have assumed the consultants when they make these assumptions. I don't think the silver price was really that high when they did these assumptions. So that's one thing that could be improved. Otherwise, it's fairly clear that these assets operate roughly at the level where they are. There is always somewhat of an improvement potential, but it's not a step change that would require CapEx as well, but we are -- these assets operate relatively well on regular operating maintenance CapEx.

Operator

operator
#15

The next question comes from Liam Fitzpatrick from DB.

Liam Fitzpatrick

analyst
#16

First question is just on the timing and a bit more on the rationale. I guess on timing, why now? You do have some challenges within your current business in terms of Garpenberg, ramping up Odda, Rönnskär, et cetera. And this deal is clearly going to add another layer of complexity following a deal that you did not that long ago for Lundin's assets. So yes, anything -- any color around the timing? And then in terms of the fit, I mean, I understand the scale argument, but the assets are geographically very far apart. So is there anything that's going to be flowing out of this in terms of concentrate between the different groups where there are some potential benefits?

Mikael Staffas

executive
#17

As I said on the previous question, if you start with #2 here, the synergies in that sense are not very big. Even though that you can potentially at certain times, have some concentrate going between the different continents, in essence, both Nexa and Boliden net buyers. So Nexa doesn't really have that much concentrate to sell. They might have some odd quality sometimes. But it's all about buying in South America from independent mines, both for Nexa and for Boliden. And Nexa is, of course, being a local South American company quite used to this and have a well-established procurement resources. So that's on the -- the first question was...

Håkan Gabrielsson

executive
#18

The timing of...

Mikael Staffas

executive
#19

The timing, yes. Well, timing, you can argue a million times about timing. And also as a buyer, you don't really choose the timing always yourself. But having said that, we feel that the timing is actually quite good. We feel that we are actually through, even though you can argue we're not quite done, but we're through a major part of our investment programs. We're getting lots of things up and running slowly. So in that sense, the timing is relatively good for us as well. The integration of the Lundin assets, you can never say that it's behind you, but it's very well advanced. And we, of course, feel strengthened by the relative ease that we've seen in integrating those 2 assets into the Boliden operating model.

Liam Fitzpatrick

analyst
#20

If I could just ask 2 more as well. The release mentions post-closing mandatory tender offers for some of the subsidiaries in Peru. Can you quantify that for us in any kind of way? And the second question, I guess, is just around your views on zinc smelting. Nexa is also net long smelting capacity. We've seen TC terms or spot terms plummet into negative territory. So is this deal -- is your long-term fundamental view that we are ultimately going to see a rebalancing and the economics for smelters improve from where we are currently?

Mikael Staffas

executive
#21

Well, I'll start with the second one and saying that economic terms for smelters is not that bad. Even though TCs are very low, the free metals that you get out of it and including sulfuric acid actually makes smelting a pretty good place to be in. you could always get better, but it's not a bad place just to kind of get that established first. The other one was around...

Håkan Gabrielsson

executive
#22

The quantification of the minorities in Peru.

Mikael Staffas

executive
#23

Yes, the minorities. We don't know exactly how much it's going to cost because it will be Lima Stock Exchange rules that set exactly the level of the offer price as it will have to go transparent through this. But we have estimated that if we get 100% uptake, that will be about SEK 3 billion.

Operator

operator
#24

The next question comes from Kaleb Solomon from SEB.

Kaleb Solomon

analyst
#25

Just 2 for me. You said the sort of ability to realize synergies partly depend on the tender offer take-up. Can you maybe give some color on what sort of initiatives would be harder to implement if Boliden only retains a sort of sizable portion in Nexa?

Mikael Staffas

executive
#26

If there is a minority in Nexa that remains, of course, any kind of commercial transaction between Boliden and Nexa will have to be done on arm's length relationships, and it's not going to be possible, for example, to integrate the trading activities as Nexa has trading activity and we have trading activity today. So there are certain limitations if we don't get up to 100% shareholding. Having said that, we will be able to do things already with the majority position but it will be a little bit cumbersome as we always need to make sure that we don't mistreat the minority in Nexa.

Kaleb Solomon

analyst
#27

Okay. That's clear. And can you just clarify if the sort of expected EPS accretion of 8% include any contribution from synergies or operational improvement? And if not, can you give some color on what those could be?

Mikael Staffas

executive
#28

It does not because those -- that 8%, as mentioned, there is based purely on analyst estimates, so prior to the deal. And as I said, we have not and we will not give a number on synergies, but it's going to be a relatively small number, at least initially. So the 8% is based purely on existing operations.

Operator

operator
#29

The next question comes from Jason Fairclough from Bank of America.

Jason Fairclough

analyst
#30

Congrats on the deal. Look, a couple for me. First, maybe you could talk a little bit about how you see the increased risk for Boliden from the exposure to these LatAm countries versus the potential benefit from having a bigger footprint and ultimately running more assets.

Mikael Staffas

executive
#31

Jason, of course, we've had lots of discussion about risks of entering South America in different ways, given that that's an interesting place to be given geology and everything else. We have concluded that what we're doing right now is the lowest risk that we've ever been able to establish around doing this. We get well operating existing positive cash flow assets with management. And we also get a partner in the Votorantim Group that is local in South America to help us. Regarding Sweden and Brazil, there is a long history around that with defense or cooperation, in very tricky sectors, including defense and aerospace. So from that relationship, we feel quite confident around the geopolitical risk. Peru, it's a little bit more risky. But once again, we also feel relatively confident. And Peru has been through lots of political turmoil in the last 10 years, but relatively stable operating conditions for mining companies anyway, although there is a higher risk there, but we feel that we are relatively well positioned to handle those.

Jason Fairclough

analyst
#32

Okay. Second question, if I could. And look, maybe my information is out of date, Mikael, but my understanding was that at least one of the mines had been loss-making and was being effectively run at a loss, but to keep the smelter running. Is that true? Or has that situation evolved?

Mikael Staffas

executive
#33

I think that that's not true, but there's partial truth to what you said. The Aripuanã mine, which is a relatively new mine, was clearly behind schedule in its ramp-up and was losing money initially. It will still continue to ramp up because ultimately it was going to make money, which it is right now, and I would say it's more or less fully ramped up. I would argue, even though you have to ask an excellent management of that, but that was not done in order to feed any smelter. It was done in order for -- to get the mine up and running. There has not been any kind of other cross operation. There is a trick on how you manage things between the Vazante mine and the Tres Marias smelter because the Vazante concentrate is of such a quality that is not really sellable on to anybody else. Only Tres Marias has a special equipment to handle that. And it's the same way Tres Marias can take in external concentrate, but not to a big extent. So those 2 have to be looked into in combination, and it's always been profitable in combination. Then you can argue a little bit about the transfer pricing between those units because the classical benchmark TCs that are used is not really relevant because of the concentrate quality.

Jason Fairclough

analyst
#34

Okay. Just to come back to a point that a few people have asked, you long smelting. This group is long smelting. And obviously, the group has a history of procuring concentrates to keep the smelters full. Is there actually room here to think about rationalizing some of the smelting footprint between the 2 businesses?

Mikael Staffas

executive
#35

Well, lots of things can be done over time. But as I said, as long as we have a minority, we cannot really look across the 2 units. We have to look at the individual units. And I think that there -- we have to see what can be done in Nexa over time. It's a little bit of a difference here between Peru and Brazil, where Peru, it's pretty easy to be long smelting. There's lots of mining capacity in the area, lots of concentrate to buy. Brazil is a little bit more challenged situation, but I think this will evolve over time, and we'll see what we can do.

Operator

operator
#36

The next question comes from Matt Greene from Goldman Sachs.

Matthew Greene

analyst
#37

Mikael, you mentioned there's limited synergies at the moment. And I guess it is accretive because Nexa is cheaper and possibly because this company has faced a number of challenges on several fronts in recent years. So I guess, at this point in the cycle, do you see better risk-adjusted returns in Nexa versus your existing organic growth pipeline?

Mikael Staffas

executive
#38

Well, you're saying the word risk-adjusted, and it, of course, depends on which risk you use. But I will say that short term, the risks in Nexa, we feel are quite limited. The technology risks are more or less behind them. There is always a geopolitical risk. But as I said before, we don't think it's too much. And everything else equal, Nexa has good cash flows. Now we haven't really talked too much about this, but also Nexa has a higher debt level than we're used to. So we will bring up our consolidated debt level, not immensely, but to some extent. And we would, of course, also be quite happy to run down the debt level in Nexa to some extent as we now start getting good cash flows.

Matthew Greene

analyst
#39

Got it. Okay. I guess in your due diligence, what were the top areas of risk that you see? Is it more around technical? Is it more around cultural? I mean, obviously, Peru is they faced some social issues there as well. Can you just flag where do you see the key risk here on the execution front?

Mikael Staffas

executive
#40

Well, I mean, you mentioned a whole set of them, and we've looked into technological and geological situation that we feel very comfortable. We also feel comfortable with geopolitics. Another area which you haven't asked yet, but if those who read the Nexa annual report, we figure out that Nexa has had quite some tax issues, which are well known to us, and we have looked into them, and we have spent quite some time in the due diligence understanding the tax situation, especially in Peru, which has been a little bit tricky to them. Yes, those have been -- we've also looked into the people side. We looked into the health and safety area. Nexa has worse numbers than we do, but we have a sense that they have a program already in place and that we could probably enhance a little bit to get health and safety culture to an even better level.

Operator

operator
#41

The next question comes from Richard Hatch from Berenberg.

Richard Hatch

analyst
#42

Just a few questions from me. I'm still going to follow up on this bridge funding. So 35% of the company you don't own is $715 million in value. And then the minorities in Peru are guided to SEK 3 billion or about USD 315 million. That gives me about USD 1 billion. So again, like why do we need to have a bridge facility of $2 billion? Is that just purely conservatism? Or is there something else that I'm missing there? That's the first one.

Mikael Staffas

executive
#43

It's purely conservatism. And what you have to, of course, always know is that if there's something that you could be fearful about is that next week or in a month from now, we will somewhere between signing and closing, we get a major recession on our hand. That is, of course, always a risk. Over time, these things will go up and down. In that number, we have also calculated in that we will survive through a major Lehman-type crash in the midst of this thing. So yes, you can call it conservatism.

Richard Hatch

analyst
#44

Okay. And then can you just help me -- and can you just help me on the Board composition? So you're saying that it will have -- I think Nexa has got 9 Board members at the moment. I guess some of them are not independent because of the Votorantim stake. But then you're going to have 4 Board members. Can you just help us think about like how that Board composition is going to look like? For example, will you sit on the Board of Nexa, Mikael? Or how are you thinking about the Boliden representation on the Board? That's the second one.

Mikael Staffas

executive
#45

We will have Boliden representatives around 4 people. And as you said, 3 independents, that makes the Board of 7. Regarding the exact competition and -- composition and the exact names, we will come back to that when we will have the summer for the next EGM that will do the changing of the Board. But yes, I will be personally involved in the Board.

Richard Hatch

analyst
#46

Okay. And third one is just -- I mean, clearly, you take nearly 65% of the company you have control. You suggest that there are potential synergies there, but they could come over time. So the third question is, why not just go more aggressive and just take the whole thing out right here right now and get on the track of getting on to those synergies rather than sort of take a half sleeping position in owning the business?

Mikael Staffas

executive
#47

The present setup where Nexa is a Luxembourg Incorporated company with operations in South America and the New York Stock Exchange listing makes things a little bit challenging to do that, which we maybe would have liked to do. There is, for example, no sweep. So we will have to -- in order to really make sure we get 100%, we will have to make the offer very attractive to get even the last shareholder across the line, which would have been perceived to be maybe too expensive, at least if we're going to make it that sweat. And we've decided that we will do a voluntary offer. And we have to be careful because I'm not allowed to say anything except exactly what's written in the press release, but we have made sure that the shareholders the minority shareholders are treated in a way equal to the majority, then somebody would argue why don't you just issue shares to them? Well, due to once again the set of regulations, it is very -- almost impossible for us to issue shares to a small shareholder in the U.S. due to the prospectus requirements of the New York Stock Exchange. Therefore, that will be a cash consideration there.

Richard Hatch

analyst
#48

Okay. That's helpful. And then one last one, Håkan, just a quick one on how you're going to report this. So you say you're going to report it as a separate segment. So just -- can you just give us any kind of steer as to how we should think about the modeling of this because it will be an interesting one?

Håkan Gabrielsson

executive
#49

Well, I think it's good to treat it as a separate segment. And then regarding the consolidation, if you have a majority ownership like this, we will get the full numbers in. We will get the full EBITDA, the full revenue and the full all of it and then we will have a liability reported to the minority. And then apart from that, it will be kept as a listed company with their filing requirements and as a segment in our books.

Operator

operator
#50

The next question comes from Johannes Grunselius from SB1 Markets.

Johannes Grunselius

analyst
#51

I also had a question on the consolidation going forward. How should we think about the balance sheet in Nexa? Will that be consolidated in Boliden or will it be separate?

Håkan Gabrielsson

executive
#52

Well, when it comes to financial reporting, if we talk about consolidation in financial reporting, then we will include -- the way you do is that you include the full balance sheet and then you report a liability or a share of equity that belongs to minorities. So in all the numbers, you see you will have the full Nexa balance sheet. Then, of course, Nexa is still a separate listed group with filing requirements and their own balance sheet and so on. So we will keep it apart from that perspective. But looking at an annual report, for example, of Boliden, you will see Nexa numbers included everywhere.

Johannes Grunselius

analyst
#53

Okay. Okay. That's good. Also I wonder about, yes, forecast here. You referred to consensus estimates. I think there are a handful of analysts covering this company. But I guess your own sort of forecasting is aligned with consensus. Can you comment on that?

Mikael Staffas

executive
#54

It's always very difficult to comment on those things. But and as also pointed out, there are relatively few analysts following Nexa, but there are a couple or a handful. Put this way, we don't feel that they're over aggressive on the Nexa opportunity.

Johannes Grunselius

analyst
#55

Okay. Good to know. And my final question is that if I look at the last few reports, quarter report from Nexa, would you say that those operations are representative for what you expect for '27, '28 in terms of operation or any deviation we should be aware of?

Mikael Staffas

executive
#56

Well, I mean, I think you can read that into the Nexa guiding, and it's not made possible for me to guide anything about the future of Nexa given that it is a separate traded entity.

Operator

operator
#57

The next question comes from Ian Rossouw from Barclays.

Ian Rossouw

analyst
#58

Just a couple of follow-ups on the risks. Just was curious whether you could just quantify the sort of rehab liabilities within Nexa and whether you're comfortable with the methodology of sort of estimating of that and whether there would be any changes if it's aligned with your, I guess, measurement and standards? And then just wondering on sort of other liabilities within the business, such as the sort of tailings, whether, I guess, Nexa is committed to aligning their tailings to the global standard and whether you see any sort of need for remediation work and CapEx on that front?

Mikael Staffas

executive
#59

Well, we do not see any immediate need to change anything on the dam side on any CapEx into that. They are relatively well managed and well handled dams. On the reclamation reserves, yes, we've been through that. There is, of course, always a risk that you're under reserving for reclamation questions. But we have a sense that what is reported in the Nexa reporting is accurately reflecting the technical reports that are in place.

Ian Rossouw

analyst
#60

Okay. And can you just confirm that the enterprise value you gave in the release that does not include those reclamation liabilities?

Mikael Staffas

executive
#61

That's a very good question that I need to look at. The reclamation liabilities that are on the balance sheet are in that value -- and whatever is not on the balance sheet, as I said, we don't think it's that much because I think the balance sheet is fairly reflecting what we read on technical reports.

Operator

operator
#62

The next question comes from Boris Bourdet from Kepler Cheuvreux.

Boris Bourdet

analyst
#63

Two questions on my side. Boliden used to be quite balanced between copper and zinc. Obviously, this operation increases the weight of zinc. So is it the first step of repositioning towards a priority on this commodity? Or do you see this new footprint in LatAm as a way to further expand also maybe later in the copper? That's the first question. And the second question is on Votorantim 7% ownership. What visibility do you have? What's the commitment of Votorantim on that?

Mikael Staffas

executive
#64

Zinc versus copper, I think this is the same answer as many -- I've gotten many times before when we do something somewhere whether we're changing the balance. Now the answer is we like copper and we like zinc, and we like both of them. I've said many times that for us to grow inorganically in copper is quite unlikely because copper asset prices have been come to a level where it's very difficult to motivate the price when potentially buying them. Whereas zinc, we feel is a little bit undervalued and it's a higher chance. Now if you look at Nexa, Nexa, we're also getting a portfolio of projects with it. These are projects in various stages. None of them are ready for investment now and they're kind of into the future. But there are quite a few copper projects in the Nexa project portfolio. So yes, potentially, we could get more copper coming out of South America over time through this acquisition, but there are many ifs and buts before we get there. Regarding Votorantim, Votorantim have committed to being on the Boliden Board being an active shareholder in Boliden. They have also agreed to a lockup period, which is step-wise coming down, but basically a 3-year lockup period for some of the shares, indicating that they are at least in the kind of short to medium term, very much committed to staying around.

Operator

operator
#65

The next question comes from Alain Gabriel from Morgan Stanley.

Alain Gabriel

analyst
#66

I just have one follow-up question on Nexa. So basically, they do have a U.S. listing. Do you see this as an opportunity? Or do you see any advantages in having multiple listings for Boliden and tapping into a broader set of investors? Is this something that you have considered while going after Nexa? That's my question.

Mikael Staffas

executive
#67

No, I would rather say we looked at Nexa as an operating entity, and that's what we're looking for. The U.S. listing has been something that is part of the Nexa history and part of what we need to deal with there, and we're going to deal with it accordingly. But I don't think that we will be looking at diversifying Boliden's listing into the U.S., if that was your question.

Operator

operator
#68

The next question comes from Jason Fairclough from Bank of America.

Jason Fairclough

analyst
#69

So another round 2 question. Just in terms of the mechanics of a potential squeeze out, I've asked ChatGPT this morning about how that could work. And I got a very long answer that doesn't actually give me an answer. How are you thinking about how a potential squeeze out might work after a voluntary takeover offer?

Mikael Staffas

executive
#70

Number one, this is on a long-term scale. In the short term, a little bit unclear, but it would have to include maybe something like re-domiciling or relisting, which all these things are not quite easy. And therefore, we said that we do not have any plans like that. We might have something that we could consider in the future. But as of right now, we will, for the foreseeable future, be having a minority ownership and the New York listing.

Jason Fairclough

analyst
#71

So Mikael, just to make sure that I understand. So the deal completes sometime early in 2027, do you immediately launch the voluntary takeover offer for the minority shareholders in Nexa? Yes?

Mikael Staffas

executive
#72

Yes. Yes.

Jason Fairclough

analyst
#73

Okay. And then if we were to consider a voluntary -- sorry, a squeeze out, that would happen sometime after the completion of the voluntary takeover offer, but no specific -- no specifics here on the timing.

Mikael Staffas

executive
#74

No specificity more than that we have promised the Board -- the existing Board of Nexa that we will not do it at least in the short term.

Operator

operator
#75

[Operator Instructions] The next question comes from Richard Hatch from Berenberg.

Richard Hatch

analyst
#76

Yes, just here we go again, some more questions. Just can you just help us -- so firstly, can I just clarify the long-term intention here, it sounds like you want to control the whole business 100%. So should we interpret this as being it's really only a matter of time before you find ways to either redomicile the business, delist it or relist it, sorry, and find a way to take your ownership up from that sort of 64.5% to the 100%. Is that the right way to kind of consider how this goes into the medium to long term? That's the first one.

Mikael Staffas

executive
#77

And the answer there is that we are committed to Nexa long term. Exactly how that will play out, we'll have to see. The first unknown in this is what is the uptick going to be in the voluntary offer, which we do not know. And that outcome then might make us think about how we do in the next step.

Richard Hatch

analyst
#78

Understood. Okay. And the second one is perhaps I should also engage in the big ChatGPT. But if I look at the Nexa shareholder register, it would appear that it's pretty -- there's quite a lot of very small shareholders that own the stock. So are you able to step into the market to buy some of those shares? Or is that something that you are unable to do without -- from a securities regulation standpoint. Just wonder if you can -- after the voluntary, if you don't get what you want in the voluntary, whether you can step into the market and start buying on market. Is that an option available to you in time?

Mikael Staffas

executive
#79

There are -- in the agreement that we have with the President Nexa Board, there are some time limitations to that and some limitations to how we can do that. But fundamentally, from a regulatory point of view, we can do that.

Richard Hatch

analyst
#80

Okay. Without triggering a mandatory -- well, I guess, without triggering mandatory takeover.

Mikael Staffas

executive
#81

No, we are not triggering a mandatory. We would have the other way around, had we triggered a mandatory, we might not have been so sorry about that. So therefore, we are giving you voluntary because this does not trigger mandatory in the combination of Luxembourg and New York.

Operator

operator
#82

There are no more questions at this time. So I hand the conference back to the speakers for any closing comments.

Mikael Staffas

executive
#83

I'll just make a very quick comment. Thank you all for listening. As you understand, there is -- this has been a very long thing in coming and doing. I got the question earlier this morning from some of the journalists, and I've made a very clear point that because there was a question, who initiated this thing? Is it the seller or the buyer? And I said that's almost impossible to tell because we have been discussing different things for the last, I would say, almost 10 years, not quite, but at least 5 years with Nexa about potential projects and about potential cooperation about different things and exactly who came up with the idea that eventually led to this conclusion is a little bit difficult to put a pure number on. But lots of people have worked on a long time. Lots of people in both organizations have also, of course, spent lots of time getting this deal together. It has not been an easy one given the fact that we had the combination of a Swedish buyer, Luxembourg target with listing in the U.S. and operation in South America has kept some lawyers busy for a while. But I'm very proud of the solution we've come to, and this is very good going forward. Thank you.

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