Nick Scali Limited (NCK) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

August 22, 2022

Australian Securities Exchange AU Consumer Discretionary Specialty Retail earnings 40 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Nick Scali Limited FY '22 Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Anthony Scali, Managing Director. Please go ahead.

Anthony Scali

executive
#2

Thank you, and welcome to the Nick Scali results presentation. On slide -- On Page 2 of the slide, there is the financial year '22 summary. Plush acquisition, the acquisition of Plush-Think Sofas completed in November 2021for $102.5 million, with integration now substantially complete. Sales growth, written sales orders of $473.8 million, up by 18% on previous year and sales revenue of $441 million, up 18.2% on the previous year. This included 8 months of Plush sales orders and revenue contribution. Moving on to elevated outstanding order bank. The order bank at the 30th of June is $185.3 million, up 67% on the previous year, providing a platform for revenue growth in the first half of this financial year. Profitability, good for growth. We had a gross profit margin of 61%. Underlying net cost and after tax of $80.2 million, down 4.9% on the previous year. This has caused by the China lockdowns in the second half with delayed shipments of containers as our factories closed, and given that we -- our business, particularly around all customer orders that affected our deliveries around, I think, March April period. On Page 3, sales order and trading. As mentioned, total written sales orders of $473 million. By brand, Nick Scali is $375 million, Plush $98.7 million, which is a partial contribution for the year. Comparable written sales orders, Nick Scali was negative 1%, 0.3% Nick Scali Australia and negative New Zealand of 28.9%. You see on the page, outstanding order bank of $185 million, of which $133.5 million for Nick Scali, up from $110.9 million from the previous year. Plush, $51.8 million in Plush. Next page, revenue. Despite the elevated order bank at July '21, and similar levels of trading, Nick Scali revenue went down as a -- measures to COVID disruption causing delayed shipments, particularly during the lockdowns in Vietnam and China in Q2 and Q4 respectively. Plush delivered revenue of $88.8 million in the eight months to 30 June 2022. As supply chain issues eased in Q4 FY22, the Group was able to achieve record levels of deliveries. Next page, the financial performance. Nick Scali margin down 100 basis points, primarily this caused by the increase in freight costs -- and container costs. On the other hand, the Plush margin improved by 240 basis points. This is a result of their better controls in terms of margin leakage. Cost of doing business increased by -- relative to sales, increased by 280 basis points to 34.1%. This is a result of new stores and rising employment, but primarily because of the reduced revenue. The Plush cost of doing business represented 39.8% of sales for the eight months post-acquisition. And on an annualized basis, the cost of doing business is $53.1 million. I'll hand over the cash flow and balance sheet to Christopher Malley, Chief Financial Officer.

Christopher Malley

executive
#3

Thank you, Anthony. Looking at the cash flow. We generated $79.8 million from our operating activities, including lease payments, interest and tax. And we increased our borrowings by $58 million across the year. Initially, we took out a $65 million corporate facility to fund the Plush acquisition, of which $10 million was repaid in December. And a further net $3 million was borrowed to support our property initiatives acquiring a new DC in Townsville and refurbishing our Fyshwick property. The first acquisition, as mentioned, we acquired Plush for $102.5 million in November, using the borrowings and $37.5 million of available cash reserves. We spent $19 million on CapEx, primarily as mentioned on Townsville and Fyshwick, where we spent almost $40 million and a further $5.2 million spent on business as usual on CapEx maintenance items. We returned $48.6 million to shareholders through dividends and closed the year with $74.6 million in cash and deposits at the 30th of June. Moving on to the balance sheet. As mentioned, our cash and deposits were $74.6 million at the end of June. Our inventory balances increased. So our inventory in transit increased by around $10.5 million, $10.8 million as a reflection of increased orders in the elevated levels of the order bank leading to more inventory transits. With our inventory on hand, this increased as a result of the Plush acquisition, which added $6.6 million of inventory at a showroom level, and our DC inventory increased and we are currently holding more place to support the elevated order bank and deliveries in the coming months and also back to the delivery backlog at the end in the last quarter. Our lease assets and lease liabilities have increased by around $40 million as a result of the Plush acquisition, adding the Plush leases into our portfolio. The intangible balance increased significantly on the back of the acquisition was a recognition of a brand of $38 million and goodwill of around $87 million, increasing our overall intangibles balance to $129 million. Looking at the liabilities. Our borrowings increased as discussed previously. And our payable balance increased by around $30 million, largely to keep the reflection of the increase in inventory in transit, which is accounted for in advance -- and taken in advance -- liability in advance. Our deferred revenue balance increased from $53.2 million to $86.8 million, the revenue largely comprised of our customer deposits and that increases the reflection of the increase in the order bank at 30th of June. I'll hand it now to Anthony to talk about Online.

Anthony Scali

executive
#4

So the Online continues to perform well. Nick Scali sales orders of $29.3 million, up 59.9% on the previous year. That was helped by our temporary store closures and launch of the transactional websites. Written sales orders in the second half were up 35.8% on H2 FY '21 and is -- which is again reflective of comparable growth outside the lockdown periods. Before e-commerce offering launched in Australia in May 2022, driving growth in Online written sales orders in June and July. The Online turns very profitable for the company. The incremental EBIT contribution from Online transactions totaled $15.6 million in FY '22. In respect to the Plush acquisition and integration -- so we have seen some issues since completing purchase of the Plush-Think Sofas in November. As mentioned before, the margin is up 240 basis points and the annualized cost of doing business reduced has been by $5 million from $58 million pre-acquisition to $53.1 million. Further synergies. We expect in FY '23 the synergies expected gross margin will again be improved. This will be in line with that in the pricing -- replacement of 50% of range with new models and again allowing a wide price range. We'll be leveraging up our existing supply base for better value proposition from our suppliers. And so the cost reduction through volume buying and economies of scale. In terms of the cost of doing business, our target is $40 million per annum. That will be achieved by way of restructuring the retail operations to align best practices across both brands. The full benefit of cost-reduction initiatives implemented during FY '22 and additional FY '23 activities expected to drive further $13 million in synergies in this financial year. On Page 10 of the slide, you can see the entire store network, in total 108 stores, 46 Plush and 62 Nick Scali. The target is 86 for Nick Scali and the target is 90 to 100 for Plush. In the next financial year, we expect to open 6 stores, 3 for Nick Scali and 3 for Plush. On Page 11, we see our property, which on the balance sheet accounted historical cost, less depreciation. Clearly these properties -- the value is probably a bit high than the period on the balance sheet, but at the moment we maintained at historical cost. During the year, we redeveloped our Fyshwick site, creating new flagship showroom for Nick Scali and an additional 1,700 square meters of retail floorspace. And we acquired multi-purpose Townsville site, which is just a relocation for our showroom and new property which has a large warehouse and DC facility to support growth of both brands in regional Queensland area. So in terms of outlook, given the elevated order book at the end of June and the incremental sales revenue from the Plush business, the Company expects sales revenue for first half FY '23 to be materially above the previous year. July trading was positive with total written sales orders for the Group of $43.2 million, up 64% on July of the previous year. Given the current global economic environment, the business will face challenges in respect of inflationary pressure on operating costs over the next 12 to 24 months. Based on the current economic uncertainty, it is difficult to provide any additional guidance for the FY '23 financial year.

Operator

operator
#5

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Mark Wade with CLSA.

Mark Wade

analyst
#6

Just, Anthony, on that, this is kind of this glaring disconnect between we're seeing really solid sales for your business, the industry as a whole, generally, but yet consumer confidence is really weak in some of those these trends. What you put that down to? And is your middle class kind of customer more or less exposed in your view to higher rates and the like?

Anthony Scali

executive
#7

Yes. Look, it's certainly very difficult to understand why the consumer confidence is at such low levels, but it certainly is in line, it doesn't appear that the number could be rising, not very sure in the future. So there is a disconnect, as you said. Look, I think -- I believe wage growth is a lot normal that they reported with no signs of higher up. The unemployment is so low, I think we're not very confident that [indiscernible] low levels, but we're not so concerned. People [indiscernible] job. I can't afford my [ morning ] to kind of this. I don't see that stress yet, I don't think. Other important thing is going to be [indiscernible].

Mark Wade

analyst
#8

Probably as you said it's sitting on big buffers of savings and you haven't seen the job prospects create, probably still willing to keep going for the time being. What you put down in the New Zealand business in the Nick Scali brand down 29% versus all the just above...

Anthony Scali

executive
#9

That was all in the second half. Yes, we still -- when we go into the second half, we see it varies. I think the consumer confidence is very, very low. I know it's a small market, so obviously [indiscernible]. We're encouraging down the freight into New Zealand, a lot more than Australia where it used to be just about long ago. Freight cost has now gone up a lot, so really not sure [indiscernible].

Mark Wade

analyst
#10

And just last one for me. To the extent that you think some of those elevated sales orders that you're sitting on the order bank, to the extent that you might be able to kind of finally -- catch up?

Anthony Scali

executive
#11

Yes, we certainly -- we are catching up already in the side and that's already happening. There's wider issues with consignment though. The idea [indiscernible] for us at the moment.

Operator

operator
#12

Your next question comes from Peter Marks with Barrenjoey.

Peter Marks

analyst
#13

Just a question on the Online business. How are you thinking about the incrementality of those sales? Are you servicing customers outside your store catchment areas, do you think? And I'm interested to know what that business is running at Nick Scali in July?

Anthony Scali

executive
#14

Yes. I'll let John Austin to answer that. It is -- I think I know the answer, but I will let John answer through online because he knows very much, mainly this online.

John Austin

executive
#15

Yes. So I think on continental stores, we provide the safety net for the stores. But I think the stores have given us growth into regional pockets, but we might not have a store network. So I think we've seen a customer is still very much an omnichannel experience as customers are still touching our stores and then going online or vice versa. Going online and then ending up in the stores. So we see is benefiting both positively. But at the same time, we're seeing orders being placed into regional markets that we don't have a store for kind of a long distance. So we see them kind of impacting [indiscernible].

Peter Marks

analyst
#16

Great. That makes sense. And then just on the extra CGs for Plush this year. I think you took out a layer of management and some marketing savings in FY '22, which is the first $5 million. Could you just give us a bit more color on what the big drivers are of that next bucket of $13 million to get it down to that $40 million cost base that you can get it down to?

Anthony Scali

executive
#17

Yes. Look, obviously, the logistics -- on the logistics side, we're integrating them into our warehouse. That's a big cost. That's going -- it has gone. And on the people side, senior management will be managing -- basically our middle management have taken over along the Plush processes. So it's really left what we left with Plush. It still have some site network managers and the actual managers recuperate and [indiscernible]. I think there's a little more efficiency on the marketing side as well, we're getting better value. But there are 2 areas. Obviously, the people head count and the logistics side of it.

Unknown Executive

executive
#18

And I think the $5 million is really, really crystalized in the last quarter. And so when you take a full run rate across the 12 months, it's that effect as well.

Operator

operator
#19

Your next question comes from Sam Teeger with Citi.

Sam Teeger

analyst
#20

Good morning, everyone. Anthony, thanks for the presentation this morning. First question, just on New Zealand. I imagine the performance is weaker than what you've hoped for over there. Is it just the macro which is impacting the business? Or are there any company-specific factors that has made these harder than expected for you? And how is current trading over there impacting the rate you want to open stores there, I guess, of the 6 you're targeting for '23, how many are New Zealand stores?

Anthony Scali

executive
#21

Yes. It's still a very profitable market for us in the early levels. And as I mentioned, all stores are profitable. It feels like it's a macro because it's really not a lot change for us, the product will change radically. But that is all we have shown here. And that thing [indiscernible] New Zealand has done a something positive, including the freight. I think in New Zealand [indiscernible] because of the freight [indiscernible] that's been a real negative impact on the consumer, they can see really going up so much. It's not a comment on the New Zealand for the consumers that we have still in Australia.

Sam Teeger

analyst
#22

Right. And sorry, I might have missed it, but how many of 6 in '23 will be in New Zealand?

Anthony Scali

executive
#23

None. Not. Nothing. We haven't been able to access some sites in the locations where we want. But we expect that to soon...

Sam Teeger

analyst
#24

All right, cool. And then second question, it seems like your execution of the Plush integration is going really well. So looking at Slide 9, you did $5 million in '22, $13 million in the plan to '23 million which implies $22 million beyond FY '23. What's the time frame for that remaining $22 million? And how much do you think you'll be able to get in '24?

Anthony Scali

executive
#25

I think we want to bank it all by FY '23 for them. And then in FY '24, I think as soon as we really change the [indiscernible] we definitely have the business stressed to a point where we really now just focus on rolling out stores. And obviously logistics. So I think we've moved very fast on reducing costs. I'd say right now that we look to the month and cost of doing business are in line already [indiscernible].

Sam Teeger

analyst
#26

In FY '23?

Anthony Scali

executive
#27

Yes.

Sam Teeger

analyst
#28

Got it. And then last question. We normally can't ask you about August, given you historically report quite early, but given again a weaker set to go in the month, just any color you can provide around August to date? Has it been materially different to what you've seen in July from a written sales order growth perspective?

Anthony Scali

executive
#29

And look, I think we did -- yes, it is a bit of a -- I'm not in deciding it's inside of that, it's making some material change.

Operator

operator
#30

Your next question comes from Keegan Booysen with Jarden.

Keegan Booysen

analyst
#31

First one for me is just again about $30 million synergies and you're saying $5 million to crystallizing the last quarter from the cost side. I'm just keen to hear what the split between cost and margin is because it sounds like if gross line is up 240 bps for Plush and the target is 59%, can we expect that GM run rate to be reached by sort of second half '23 or first half '24?

Anthony Scali

executive
#32

Yes. But firstly, the $13 million synergies is just on the cost side, not the margin side. So the $13 million is only on the expense side. And then we've got margin synergies yet to come, which we did -- we said that. They will come as new cost comes to Nick Scali margins. And addition of new margin of $13 million.

Keegan Booysen

analyst
#33

Yes, that's great. Could you give us an idea what that sort of run rate margin would be then in July? I mean given -- talking about some of the synergies because it lies in the fourth quarter, it's sort of hard to be able to get that expansion really bit...

Anthony Scali

executive
#34

Yes. I think the best way to look at this is that I think we're a little bit tight. We expect the margin to get close to 59%. That's where we want to be. And we're pretty confident that we will get there. Now we're not going to that into line in July, I mean, get into that in July, it's month by month. It's improving as we're bringing new products. So for example, in July, we launched [indiscernible] new products into use. We will have seller in a month for Plush, 61 of those. So progressively month-by-month, the margin will improve. I think it might change next year. It depends how quickly we did roll out the new product.

Keegan Booysen

analyst
#35

Yes. And now just the last one for me as well. I think there need to be lot of synergies being implemented by FY '24. If you think sort of longer term, the P&L for both of those business. Obviously, GM probably lower for Plush [indiscernible] target. What should we expect from sort of CODB standpoint in terms of longer-term cost margin, you're expecting, please?

Anthony Scali

executive
#36

Well, that -- the cost of the investment margin is very dependent on our revenue performance because as the revenue goes up, that percentage goes up; if the revenue goes down, that percentage goes down. It looks like you can drive costs. So that's a difficult question. One part of that is already we'll achieve going forward. Look, combined business, it should be somewhere, I'm going to give a range of 29% to 34% depending on the environment and how revenue is. Cost of trading, [indiscernible]. We do a lot of variables there for it to adjust, which is also tough for me to answer. [indiscernible] the rest is really talk about the infrastructure cost share...

Operator

operator
#37

Your next question comes from John Hynd with Wilsons.

John Hynd

analyst
#38

Just on the Plush range and what you're achieving the synergies, just to follow on, I think, from the last couple of questions. The 50% replacement of the current range, that seems pretty remarkable and probably singles the big opportunity available to you guys with this brand. Can you give us an update on how you're thinking about the pricing range, maybe the average sales price? And how should we think about -- we have a rough template on how a Scali store typically trades with revenue per store and gross margins. How do we start thinking about top down from Plush store looking forward, if that's okay?

Anthony Scali

executive
#39

Yes. So I think going forward, the Plush store, the average unit sale of around -- because just to be clear, the average net sale of Nick Scali is [indiscernible] have case so we stripped out the cases, obviously, average sale value would be a lot higher on -- with this. So currently, the average sale in Plush entire [indiscernible] Nick Scali. And that's been caused by a large [indiscernible] Plush doesn't have. And there is a big opportunity to do a lot more volume on Plush store by changing half the reins to provide price points that we don't have in Plush. And the problem we had with Plush is a lot of them coming to Plush and leave because they don't have those lower price points that are expected. They expect to see in Plush because that is the decision we've made. I think most of the percentage of the Plush is very small to Nick Scali in average price point, but [indiscernible]. So that's why we're addressing in changing half the range. And they're not changing half the range, I mean, they can, but need to be really driving 90% of the business at the moment. So [indiscernible]. There's a lot of product that's pricing half the range. Don't think it significantly varies.

John Hynd

analyst
#40

And how much do you think the average pricing range will come down eventually for Plush? And does that mean that this is -- it's clearly a unit story, throughput story for Plush to get those 59% margin from you and product balance?

Anthony Scali

executive
#41

The margin is just by very far, I think, obviously. And combining the margin as it allows volume, I think [indiscernible] market share [indiscernible] in Australia. So we have been buying in land, that's for sure. So we're catalyzing on that by getting better value, so we will get a margin. But then on the sales side, I can't say the margin, but on the sales. The sales growth will come from a wider price point range we have in the stores.

John Hynd

analyst
#42

Yes. Okay. And just about -- just staying on Plush, you've talked about opportunities for store expansion before. Can you give us an update on how you're thinking about -- I think you're saying from FY '24 onwards? It means you're probably starting to look at sites. You're looking at potential opportunities in out of metro and regional locations?

Anthony Scali

executive
#43

Yes, we are...

John Hynd

analyst
#44

Could you move -- is it -- it's always taken a little bit of time for you to get sites right in metro areas because you have a specific appetite. Can the rollout happen faster in regional areas?

Anthony Scali

executive
#45

Well, I'll say [indiscernible] regional areas compared to metro [indiscernible] Nick Scali [indiscernible]. Plush [indiscernible]. So it's a lot easier to access those store sites, but then there's always a rent that we've been very disciplined in our rents because we've seen the idea, that already catches up a little bit. So yes, there's a lot of factors [indiscernible] on site. We've going to be disciplined. We can't overpay. So that's the intent. But I'm pretty confident that we will get to roll out, we will be quite greater in the next 5 years, Plush in particular.

John Hynd

analyst
#46

What would rolling out in regional areas, what would the ultimate -- what does the ultimate site look like for you? I mean, does it -- you're not looking at Main Street locations? How do you think about where these stores will sit in the next...

Anthony Scali

executive
#47

[indiscernible] got a good exposure. [indiscernible] type of business where you need exposure. So that's very important exposure.

John Hynd

analyst
#48

Okay. Great. Last one, just housekeeping for me. Chris, the Online revenue, you -- you've got obviously sales or order back there or whatever the metric was. Are you able to give us the revenue number, please, for '21 and '22, just so you can compare like-for-like?

Christopher Malley

executive
#49

The revenue number of '22 was $34.5 million. So the orders were to the extent not long, the revenue was slightly behind that because of the buildup. The order bank and the delay in the supply chains of $34.5 million of the revenue, but I had last year revenue down, John...

John Hynd

analyst
#50

I think we've got it in the last ones anyway. And so the lag there, is that lag versus sort of $3 million -- is that -- can we assume that that's lounges that take time to arrive? Or is there...

Unknown Executive

executive
#51

Yes.

Operator

operator
#52

Your next question comes from Rachael Harwood with Macquarie.

Rachael Harwood

analyst
#53

Firstly, just a similar question from before. How are you seeing lead times at the moment? And do you have any sense as to when these will begin to normalize?

Anthony Scali

executive
#54

So lead times are pretty good at the moment. The factories -- so the factories are certainly got capacity and coming up, we're looking into all results. So [indiscernible], so the capacity is there for quicker deliveries [indiscernible] and that would be a constraint for us to push it out. [indiscernible].

Rachael Harwood

analyst
#55

Yes, understood. That's helpful. And then just you said to your expectations around inflationary costs. Could you maybe just expand on your expectation around the impact of this in '23 and then your ability to offset any of this by price increases?

Anthony Scali

executive
#56

Yes, definitely. Final thing is that we've had no pricing increases from our suppliers. So the real inflation, the prices of our products have gone up primarily because of freight, which has gone up 6 to 7x. We expect that to actually -- prices have started to come down certainly for freight as said already. I think we're pretty confident that in the second half, the freight will fall quite significantly. That's our view. So in terms of the product inflation, annual issue is the currency because the Australian dollar continues to fall [indiscernible].

Operator

operator
#57

Your next question comes from [ Graham Douglas ] with [indiscernible] Investments.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#58

Good results, guys. It's very good considering the conditions we've got at the market. So thank you. I'd just like to get a bit more clarity, if I can, on the Online sales. You mentioned that the $34.5 million, are there any Online sales included in that figure for Plush?

Anthony Scali

executive
#59

Yes, yes. It include both brands on sales, yes.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#60

Okay. You wouldn't care to give us both individually, would you?

Anthony Scali

executive
#61

Yes. I think the Plush Online sales are not -- are not pretty important at the moment. So that's one thing we're working on. It's best to say the most of that is Nick Scali.

Operator

operator
#62

There are no further questions at this time. I'll now hand back to Mr. Scali for closing remarks.

Anthony Scali

executive
#63

Thanks, [ Rick ]. Thank you for attending the Nick Scali results presentation.

Operator

operator
#64

That does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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