Nokian Renkaat Oyj (TYRES) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
February 7, 2023
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorHello and welcome to the Nokian Tyres' Q4 Conference Call. My name is Francois and I will be your operator for today's event. Please note that this conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] I'll now hand you over to your host, Paivi Antola to begin today's conference. Thank you.
Päivi Antola
executiveThank you. Good afternoon from Helsinki, and welcome to Nokian Tyres' Q4 and full-year results conference call. My name is Paivi Antola, and I am the Head of Investor Relations in Nokian Tyres. And together with me in the call, I have Jukka Moisio, the President and CEO of Nokian Tyres; and Teemu Kangas-Karki, the CFO. In this call, we will go through our Q4 and full-year results and more importantly discuss our plans for 2023 and beyond and the new start for Nokian Tyres. But now I'm handing over to Jukka and Teemu. Please go ahead.
Jukka Moisio
executiveThank you, Paivi and welcome on my behalf as well. So first of all, I will go through the prepared presentation and the heading is "Resilient performance in 2022 and 2023, a new start for Nokian Tyres" and indeed you could also say about 2022 that was an eventful year. I move to Page 2. And here, we reflect the first steps we've taken to build the new Nokian Tyres. The most important thing is that we made a decision in 2022 to build a new factory in Romania. We went through more than 35 sites in Europe in about 6 months' time, prepared the investment proposal, decided and announced that in November, so quite a big action to rebuild our capacity. First bias will be rolling out in second half of 2024 and we aim for commercial production in 2025. Right now, we have various actions ongoing, including and purchases, permitting processes. And indeed, we've ordered the first production equipment already in late '22. Financing will be taken care with our own cash flow and leveraging a strong balance sheet. We are not looking to raise new equity to finance this factory. Actions also to increase capacity in Finland and in the U.S. are proceeding in line with the plan. So we had a plan to go order rate up to 4 million tires in Dayton. That line is very much ongoing. Equipments will be used this year and ramping up of those equipments will be taken place this year and early '24 to achieve that 4 million tire capacity or capability. Also in Nokian, we are increasing capacity. We decided that those investments on new equipment late '21 and early '22. They're being installed as we speak. And also, we are increasing ramping up the capacity increases in Nokian right now. First contract manufacturing agreements were signed in Q4 and negotiations with other manufacturers are ongoing. So the first of direct volumes we expect in the second half of 2023 and the sales process in Russia is ongoing. Move to Page 3, despite an eventful year, we had a resilient performance. And I want to highlight some of the key achievements. First of all, Heavy Tyres had all-time high net sales, all time high profitability and productivity. Vianor delivered all-time high net sales. In North America, we achieved the highest ever sales in terms of volume in passenger car tires and also, of course, production across in our Dayton factory which progressed in '22 according to plan or actually ahead of the plan in '22. Important achievement was also on new products, which were high performing. And we had strong partnerships with our customers, which drove our net sales in '22 despite demanding year and eventful year because of the war in Ukraine. I go to Page 4. So Q4 is impacted by lower supply volumes, net sales at EUR 411 million. This is 22%, declined 21% fourth quarter in comparable currencies and the most impacting reason for that was the lower passenger car tire supply volumes. Segment operating profit at EUR 13.5 million, that's EUR 88 million a year ago. We had the same reason, lower passenger car tire volumes and also changed factory mix, but we also had price increases to combat cost inflation. And we had higher net selling price or average selling price. And we'll talk more about the profitability impact in factory mix and the viable impacts soon. I go to Page 5, and which is reflecting the full year '22 performance. So all in all, our net sales were EUR 1.78 million, which is all-time high. Last year, we achieved EUR 1.71 billion, -- sorry EUR 1.78 billion net sales in '22 and EUR 1.71 billion in '21. So actually '22 despite it would be an eventful year, had the all-time high net sales of Nokian Tyres. However, in comparable currencies, the slightly behind '21 net sales. We had lower passenger car tire volumes as the sanctions came into ports and the tire imports from Russia to Europe and North America ended in July. However, we had also record year in Heavy Tyres and Vianor. This shows a strong performance by our Nokian Tyres' team and also the resilience under very demanding circumstances in '22. Segment's operating profit was EUR 221 million versus EUR 325 million in '21, again, and the supply of -- or the lower passenger car tire supply volumes as well as changed factory mix had the most important impact on the profitability. We had paving from price increases and they helped to combat the cost inflation. Based on '22 performance, the Board proposal on the dividend payment is as follows: EUR 0.35 to be paid in May and also the Board seek authorization decided on the second dividend payment of maximum EUR 0.20 per share in second half of '23. So all in all, the dividend payment proposal is up to EUR 0.55 per share. On Page 6, we have the highlights of the financial performance. I call out some key numbers here, cash flow in the final quarter, cash flow from operating activities EUR 319 million, capital expenditures EUR 70 million. In that EUR 70 million, we have about a slightly below EUR 30 million of new equipment for the Romanian factory. Our EBITDA, segment's EBITDA, the new profitability measurement segment's EBITDA at 12.5% and segment's operating profit at 3.3%. Full year net sales at EUR 1.78 billion versus EUR 1.71 billion in '21, as I mentioned earlier, segment's EBITDA in '22, 21% at EUR 367 million versus EUR 455 million or 26% in 2021. Equity ratio remains strong. So we have 65% equity ratio and interest-bearing net debt at the end of the year at EUR 141 million, capital expenditures for the year at almost EUR 130 million. And on Page 7, just to highlight also achievements in sustainability, we had excellent safety performance, lost time incident frequency was a record low at 3.2 per million hours worked. We also started to build the first zero CO2 emission factory in Romania in tire industry, introduced the most sustainable concept tire yet with 93% of the materials being recycled or renewable. And also an important achievement in 2022, we were included in Dow Jones Sustainability Europe Index, being one of the top-scoring companies in the Automobiles and Automotive components industry. With those highlights, I hand over to Teemu to give more color to financial performance and financial details. Teemu, please go ahead.
Teemu Kangas-Kärki
executiveThank you, Jukka. Let's start with the passenger car tire business. And as we see in the Q4 net sales, which was on a level of EUR 236 million, a decline from comparison period because of lower supply of volumes from our factories. The segment operating profit was negative in the fourth quarter, EUR 14 million. Then looking to the full year numbers, the net sales for passenger car tire was on a level of EUR 1.233 billion, increase of close to 3% with reported numbers and with comparable currencies, a decline of around 5%. And the segment operating profit for the full year, EUR 179 million and clearly down from the comparison period. As we knew the lower tires supply had a negative impact, especially in Central Europe and in Russia. The inventories are high, on a high level in the distribution that will have an impact then to the sell-in. The segment operating profit declined as expected. But we have been able to increase prices to offset the headwind from raw materials and other cost inflation. Then if we look at the net sales by quarters, here, you can clearly see the volume impact of the decline after the third quarter being the biggest decline in the fourth quarter and then the price -- positive price mix development due to the fact that we have been able to increase prices that we started already in year '21 in the second half. Then currency has given us tailwind during the year '22 and most likely in year '23, it looks like that we will have a headwind from currencies. Then looking at the performance of our PCT slightly more in detail and focus to the segment operating profit bridge. You can see here the impact from volume, some EUR 120 million price mix significantly up almost EUR 240 million. And then which is clearly offsetting the material headwind of EUR 130 million. Then if we zoom into the supply chain bucket, which shows a negative development of EUR 134 million, half of that is coming from the lower production in Russia. And then the other half of that headwind is coming from higher logistics, warehouse and custom duties from North America. So we've to remember 50-50 split of this headwind. Then, moving to the Heavy Tyres. They had a record year that we are really proud of. Net sales in the fourth quarter was on a level of EUR 65 million and the segment operating profit, EUR 6 million. The full year numbers, EUR 274 million almost is all-time high, as is the segment operating profit almost EUR 44 million. In the fourth quarter, the net sales decreased slightly due to supply constraints. And as an example, particularly were on a high level in the fourth quarter in our Nokia factory. As stated, all-time high full year net sales and profitability in year '22. Moving to the Vianor, which recorded all-time high net sales and we had a strong finish to the year in the fourth quarter, reaching EUR 129 million in the fourth quarter, and the segment operating profit, almost EUR 11 million. The full year numbers are EUR 362 million and segment operating profit, EUR 3 million. As you might remember, we had a weak first quarter and now strong fourth quarter. And therefore, we landed almost on the same level time in '21. In Vianor, we have continued to improve our operational efficiency as well as to offset the cost inflation in '22. Today, we also announced our alternative non-IFRS figures, excluding Russia. And here, you can see the figures, '22 and '21. Our segment's net sales and segment's operating profit looked in both years. And this year, we have now introduced the new term segments, net sales that we will guide in '23, excluding Russia due to the fact that the sales process is still ongoing. And if we look the year '22 and '21 net -- segment's net sales figures, you can see that they have been on a level of EUR 1.35 billion in '22 and EUR 1.39 billion in '21. And then, looking to segment's operating profit for '22. Here, you can see the segment's operating profit on a level of EUR 18 million. And here, to remember the headwind from the supply chain last year, some EUR 60 million due to the extra costs relating to moving tires out of Russia closer to customers. Then moving to the assumptions for this year, '23. We are expecting that the first half will be weak due to the constrained capacity and the seasonality. And then the second half is supported by the winter tire and all-season tire season and the offtake volume that we are getting in the second half. In Heavy Tyres, as I said, all-time high net sales and segment operating profit last year. Now we see the market softening. So the most likely is a short-term headwind, even though overall, we believe that the market is going to the right direction. Then, the guidance for this year. Now we decided to guide with absolute numbers unlike earlier years. So the net sales will be between EUR 1.3 billion and EUR 1.5 billion. The segment's net sales and the segment's operating profit percentage of net sales between 6% and 8%. And I'd like to highlight the seasonality, especially in the segment's operating profit, meaning that the profit is generated in the second half. I'm handing back to you, Jukka.
Jukka Moisio
executiveThank you, Teemu. So we go back to looking at 2023, and it will be a new start for Nokian Tyres. So what will happen and what is important for us. First of all, we count on our team. We've been through '22, which has been quite a demanding year. We look optimistically into '23. We have our agenda quite full. First of all, we work on the factory, in factory in Romania. We have a very tight schedule to build it and to get the first tires dropping out, which is the latter part of 2024 and then commercial production starting in 2025. The second one is that the Nokia, our factory capacity increase is ongoing. So right now, we are ramping up new equipment as we speak and increase the capacity. Same with the Dayton, new equipment is coming, and we are wrapping them up. And we have factories fully utilized at this point of time. All the tires we can make are being made and being shipped in the second half, mostly as Teemu was saying about due to seasonality and focus on winter tires and our core products. We have also already made an agreement to have contract manufacturing. We keep on negotiating traditional contract manufacturing opportunities, so that we complement our product portfolio in late '23 and especially in '24-'25. And as you may remember, we announced in December that we have already concluded one agreement that will help us to supply the winter tires in Central Europe. At the same time, it's important that we provide our customers with world-class production services. It's important that we'll process from our factories to our customers and consumers continue uninterrupted. We will drive leadership in safety, product quality and sustainability, building on our achievements in '22 in sustainability and safety, which was, safety was a record level. And also we're included in the Dow Jones Sustainability Index in '22. We aim to do the same in '23. We also will use this opportunity to improve our processes and build our systems and capabilities for the next stage of Nokian Tyres' growth. And this is important when the new factory in Romania comes on stream. And I move to Page 18, which is capturing all these key initiatives and actions that we see. We have an investment phase in '23-'25. So in factory, Romania, capacity increase in Nokia, Dayton factory completion and growing contract manufacturing. In '26-'27, we will see a significant growth phase and based on the new products and investing capability and we target to have EUR 2 billion net sales at the end of that period or during that period. Obviously, many of you remember that when we had the Capital Markets Day in 2021, we were aiming to be at EUR 2 billion company midterm. Now we still aim to the EUR 2 billion company midterm, took some important hits in '22 and it was a demanding year. However, we, as a group, we focus on key actions. We are confident that implementation will be successful. Financially, we are able to do it. And we have a strong cash flow, strong balance sheet to rely on and that will allow to build the new Nokian Tyres. This is the end of the prepared presentation and the final page says it's a new journey, and it will be a new journey.
Päivi Antola
executiveThank you, Jukka. Thank you, Teemu. Before going to the questions from the audience, Jukka mentioned Capital Markets Day in '21. And then there is a question about the next Capital Markets Day, as announced earlier, that will be arranged once the Russia exit has been finalized and as said, the process is ongoing. And now, operator, we will be ready for the questions from the audience, please.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from the line of Michael Jacks from Bank of America.
Michael Jacks
analystI have 3. First of all, thank you for providing more specific guidance ranges on revenue and EBIT. But could you please also provide some steer on the building blocks for cash flow in 2023. I think the dividend sends a somewhat confident message in this regard, but just want to understand the moving parts to that. Secondly, on Heavy Tyres, your guidance flags risks from general economic developments. Just curious, is this based on trends that you are currently observing? Or are you taking a view on the macro development for the year? And then, finally, with reference to your restated segment operating profit figures, what are the main reasons for the wide margin gap between the 2021 ex-Russia margin of 15% and your 2023 guide of 6% to 8%.
Jukka Moisio
executiveSo Teemu if you take the cash flow building blocks, please go ahead.
Teemu Kangas-Kärki
executiveAs you stated, the dividend proposal to the AGM should send a clear signal to the investors, how we see our cash flow developing not only in year '23, but also in the coming years. Good to remember that we have now a heavy investment program in the coming years and the first 2 years are the biggest in terms of investments. And as we have stated that the investment in Romania is some EUR 650 million. So if you divide that by 2, taking into account that we have maintenance CapEx of some EUR 100 million; so that might be a good proxy for year '23, so, dividing EUR 650 million by 2. Meaning that, the Romania investment is not yet completed in 2 years it goes into 3 years, but then taken into account the maintenance CapEx on a level of some -- close to EUR 100 million. Then in terms of working capital changes, most likely no major changes there in this year.
Jukka Moisio
executiveAnd then if you look at the net debt EBITDA ratios, you see that we are comfortably clear the situation in 2024-'25 and not having too high leverage based on net debt to EBITDA despite these investments. Heavy Tyres, we basically talk about the Heavy Tyres. With that, what we see right now, obviously, the general economic situation is a concern and we need to pay attention. But right now, of course, the -- as Teemu was saying that inventories and pipeline is filled up before and we see a current situation, which appears to be softer. However, that may change, of course, depending on how the economic momentum evolves over the year and the restatement then. And the question was about the rates?
Michael Jacks
analystYes. I just want to understand the main reasons for the difference in the margin between the 2021 ex-Russian margin of 15% and the guide for between 6% and 8% for 2022, given that, that one is also excluding Russia.
Jukka Moisio
executiveSo if we start with '22, and as I said, we should bear in mind that there we have this headwind from logistic, warehouse and custom duties some EUR 60 million. So on the EUR 80 million you can put that on top. And then if you look to '21, there we should remember that we get the benefit of lower production costs in Russia. So if we take that into account, then, we come closer to the guidance of '23, indicating the range of 6% to 8%.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from the line of Akshat Kacker from JPMorgan.
Akshat Kacker
analystAkshat from JPMorgan, 3 questions from my side, as well. The first one on the deal with Tatneft on the Russian plant. Obviously, you mentioned that the process is still ongoing. Is it possible to give us some more clarity in terms of the timeline or the next steps in this process please? And how have things really evolved in the last 3 months from when this was announced? I'll ask the 2 later.
Jukka Moisio
executiveAs we stated already in -- was it in late October when we announced the deal that the Russian exit has substantial uncertainties related to timing, terms and conditions and the closing of the transaction. And the situation definitely has not -- got any better. So it is a demanding topic and environment. And therefore, I would love to give you more clarity, but I don't have that either. So therefore, I cannot comment on that, unfortunately.
Teemu Kangas-Kärki
executiveBut maybe if I just add something which you didn't ask, but nevertheless, I add. So despite the ongoing Russian process, the rebuild of the company in terms of building the new factory in Romania and advancing with the capacity rebuild is not dependent on the Russian exit, so that these are 2 separate things. Russian exit is one. It's a process in its own. And then the other part is that we build new Nokian Tyres independently how it goes and when it comes to conclusion. So therefore, these 2 things are not dependent just as an addition to your question.
Jukka Moisio
executiveAnd if I build on that, if I build on that, of the team, Nokian Tyres' team, 99.9% are focusing to the future, building the new Nokian Tyres. Myself and few, my team members are the ones who are only focusing closing the deal in Russia. This is necessarily from the company point of view that we move on, we built a new company. At the same time, we value and pay attention to that, of course, that we do in the best professional way the process in Russian exit.
Akshat Kacker
analystYes, that is very clear, and I agree with that, that the balance sheet still is in a strong position. The second question was on the 2023 guidance and the implied passenger car margin. So you're talking about a 6% to 8% segment operating profit margin. So firstly, in terms of your disclosure, what will be the difference between segment operating profit and operating profit in 2023? Just probably a list of items that you will still, be adjusting for in 2023? Is it still the date and ramp-up expenses or maybe some more ramp-up expenses in Romania, so some kind of details on those adjustments will be helpful? And secondly, within that group margin, can you also guide us to what kind of passenger car margins are you looking for in 2023? Because your Q4 passenger car tire margin was in the negative territory.
Teemu Kangas-Kärki
executiveIf I start with the PCT guidance, our passenger car tire guidance, we have been guiding on a group level and we stick with that approach. Then, in terms of the profitability guidance between 6% and 8% and there -- as you said, the exclusions are not included and the exclusions in year '23 are, as you said, the date on ramp up until we reach the EUR 3 million level as we have been communicating. And then on top of that, we exclude now the Russian business. And that's the reason why we introduced the segment's net sales because as long as they have some business there, we will report the net sales and operating profit as non-IFRS exclusion.
Jukka Moisio
executiveSo the new item in '23 in exclusions will be Russia if the process is concluded.
Akshat Kacker
analystSure, understood. And for the underlying passenger car margins, like just in terms of Q4 was a negative number and what are we building for 2023? I did hear the comment in terms of the second half weighted profitability. But just in terms of how the passenger car profitability is panning out with the 2 underlying plants that you have today?
Jukka Moisio
executiveAs I said in our Q3 call that you shouldn't overanalyze our Q4 results, because of several activities happening in passenger car tires business. And therefore, I just reiterate the same comment that don't overanalyze the Q4. Please look our guidance for '23 and our comments regarding the seasonality. And maybe this is a good point to give you some color. You might take a look what kind of business we had for the type of -- in year 2000 before we started the Russia era. There you get some flavor how the seasonality was between the quarters and what kind of profitability we recorded in those quarters.
Operator
operatorNext question comes from the line of Thomas Besson from Kepler Cheuvreux.
Thomas Besson
analystMaybe I'll be a bit blunt. You had EUR 337 million exclusions in '22, EUR 57 million in '21. Should we expect you to be closer to '21 or '22 levels of exclusions in '23, assuming the process of your Russian disposal goes broadly as you imagine. So I assume sometimes in H1.
Jukka Moisio
executiveSo the date and part is on the same part market that it has been, and then the Russia is the big question mark that nobody hasn't crystal ball at the moment. But as you can see from our numbers, from last year, we recorded EUR 300 million, impairment related to Russia that is in the exclusions. And we made the conclusion that the impairment is still valid at the year-end with the information that we had at the year-end. However, let's see what is the end result when this saga ends.
Thomas Besson
analystOkay. Second question, please. You present adjusted figures that you call excluding Russia. So I just want to clarify because for me maybe on a chart, but I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Are you talking about without Russian sales, you removed the Russian revenues as a destination, right? Would it not have made more sense to present an adjusted set of figures without Russia as a production center on top of the sales? We are completely unable to look at what your underlying performance as long as you still assume that Russian production center was still there. I just want to make sure I understand that the exclusion is just Russia as a destination, right?
Jukka Moisio
executiveNo, it’s Russia excluded completely, including all the top-line, all the manufacturing, everything. And then that is segment net sales and segment operating profit, excluding Russia. So there is no Russian impact at all in those numbers. And in the guidance -- so may I continue. So, yes, EUR 1.3 billion to EUR 1.5 billion net sales is completed without Russia and also 6% to 8% segment operating profit is completed without Russia. No manufacturing, no net sales, none, whatsoever.
Thomas Besson
analystOkay. But do you mean that the '22 adjusted figure of EUR 1.3 billion excludes the production of tires in Russia as well? So that's only what you have built in Finland and Dayton that has been recorded in EUR 1.3 million sales for 2022. You have no tires produced in H1 in Russia in that?
Jukka Moisio
executiveAs I tried to comment earlier, when we are looking the year '22, there, we had impact from Russia for the sales that we generated outside Russia because we produced those tires in Russia. And then maybe it's more clear in the year '21, if we look our segment's operating profit, EUR 210 million. That contains the cost of tires produced in Russia with a lower production cost.
Thomas Besson
analystOkay. And I have 2 other quick questions.
Teemu Kangas-Kärki
executiveSo again, the guidance for '23 is completely without Russia, no Russia in there.
Thomas Besson
analystYes. I think for the guidance, it's clear. Can you guide us on the tax rate? I know that you don't have Russia anymore. It's been an important source of substantially lower tax rate than you would have had normally. What should we assume in '23-'24 as your tax rates now that you don't have Russia anymore?
Teemu Kangas-Kärki
executiveSo I would say that somewhere around 20%, 21% is good corporate number.
Thomas Besson
analystOkay. And last question, please. You have -- if I looked at your -- your backup slides, 83% of your debt to be refinanced in '23-'24. Can you guide us on what -- how you'd plan to do this refinancing? Do you plan to use your existing and unused bank loans? Or are you plan to issue bonds and what kind of costs should we assume for '24-'25 net interest margins?
Jukka Moisio
executiveSo we are now in process to organize the financing or the funding for the company. And this is now the moment where we become like a normal company with a different kind of funding, because in the previous years, we have been in a net cash position. So now during this year, we will structure our funding totally different and bond is one of the sources of funding the investments in the coming years.
Teemu Kangas-Kärki
executiveOur profile becomes different because from now on, our net sales and our profitability and our assets are outside Russia. So they are essentially invest; in Europe and in North America. And so therefore, our leverage and our asset base as well as our financing structure can and will change. And so therefore, we look different kind of a company in terms of the balance sheet in years to come.
Operator
operatorNext question comes from the line of Artem Beletski from SEB.
Artem Beletski
analystA couple to be asked from my side. So the first one is actually relating to product mix development this year. So what is your outlook? I guess you will be capacity constraint and can actually improve your mix and how it actually looked like in Q4, excluding Russia?
Jukka Moisio
executiveYes. Our product mix, obviously, when we look into '23, so, we will be capacity constrained. And so therefore, we go back to our core, which is winter tires and all-season tires and high premium summer tires for Nordics. But basically, the key driver will be winter tires. And obviously, that's why we talked about the seasonality in terms of our supply that winter tires will be supplied towards the end of the year. And so, therefore, when we talked about our guidance, so we said that the net sales will be accumulated in the second half quite strongly. And this is what we do. So therefore, clearly, we prioritize those tires and those SKUs that bring us the best benefit from our current capacity. And that we have seen already in the latter part of the year. Of course, Russia, if you exclude that, you see that the winter tires in the latter part of the year has been an important part and going into '23, that will be the key. It's obviously -- I mean, this is, I guess, a no-brainer to everybody that winter tires is our core and we prioritize them as well as all season.
Artem Beletski
analystYes. And then I have another question it's relating to your cost structure and potential actions. What you are taking on that front. So you a bit alluded about those funds in accordance with these results. Could you provide some update and basically, for some, so to say, cost initiatives looking at this year?
Jukka Moisio
executiveSo we already took out costs in '22 in anticipation that especially in the Central Europe, we will have lower volume because that was supplied by Russia. So therefore, we took cost actions already in '22. Those will bring benefits in '23 but we also look at the -- spends very carefully. And under these circumstances, we regulate our cash flow quite carefully as well as our spend. And so therefore, you can expect that all kinds of actions that are needed to conserve cash and be cost efficient are taken. But the major restructuring and those actions were taken already in '22.
Artem Beletski
analystOkay. That is very clear. And maybe the last 1 from my side is actually relating to date and ramp up. And you actually mentioned that 3 million tires of the mark which you won't be recognizing any ramp-up-related costs. Is it fair to assume that you would be reaching this type of ramp-up or run rate in terms of production already during this year?
Jukka Moisio
executiveWe will install the machines and equipment for that kind of run rate this year, but then achieve the run-rate sometime in '24. And then it's up to us to be as quick and as efficient in hiring with the people and getting the machines up and running. But basically, the machine deliveries will happen this year. And this goes back to our many previous discussions that when we ordered the equipment late '21, early '22, and they are now being delivered during the course of '23 and then ramped up one by one.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from the line of Giulio Pescatore from BNP Paribas.
Giulio Pescatore
analystThe first 1, on the EUR 2 billion target by 2027. I was just wondering what are you assuming here, are you assuming a normalization of pricing in case the material costs start to normalize? And any chance you can give us a rough indication of what the margins can do and how quickly reach those 2,000 levels? The second question on the inventories. You said that inventories are quite high. I was just wondering if you can specify which are we talking about and is that through across all segments winter or seasonal, or summer?
Jukka Moisio
executiveOkay. When you look at the EUR 2 billion target, obviously, it's a combination of volume. So we ramp-up volume, not only our old manufactured volume but also offtake volumes. We assume trend pricing for that. So that's how we look at the revenue plan. In terms of margins, we have not given any indication. So perhaps we wait until the Russian situation is clear and we have the CMD, and then we will come back with the margins and details of achieving EUR 2 billion. But basically, just to give a high-level ambition for '26-'27, we aim to be a EUR 2 billion company. We had that in our plans already. '21, we were about to achieve that in '22, but then the war came between us and success. However, we want to achieve the success in the years to come, but more details when the CMD will be organized and that is depending on the conclusion of the Russian process.
Giulio Pescatore
analystCan I -- so can I just follow up on that, basically, so just to make sure I've understood it correctly. You're assuming current pricing and recovering volumes. So you're not assuming a normalization of pricing?
Jukka Moisio
executiveWe are assuming trend pricing. So trend pricing is a normalization. So it's not the highest of the high, not the lowest of the low, but trend price. That's typical in the industry.
Teemu Kangas-Kärki
executiveAnd then regarding your question about raw material price development. So on a year-on-year comparison we expect that to still increase in '23. But if we look at the development by quarters, you've to remember that the first half last year, we had a lower raw material prices peaking towards the year-end. Now, we don't see that to increase. But we have a lower comparison in the first half. And therefore, the year-on-year comparison is higher. And having said that, another factor that impacts our raw material price level is that because of the situation that we went through last year, we purchased high amount of raw materials; in order to secure our production. Now we have more than enough raw materials with higher prices in our inventories that we will consume in the first half. And then we are on a normal level with our raw material inventories in the second half.
Jukka Moisio
executiveAnd that's a good point. What Teemu was saying that when we went through the eventful 2022, we wanted to secure that indeed, we do not run other raw materials in either in Nokia or in Dayton and to have that kind of reason to not to be able to manufacture or ship tires. That was important for us to ensure that this does not happen.
Giulio Pescatore
analystOkay. And sorry, on inventories in the distribution, you mentioned that they're quite high. So I was wondering if you can comment on where they are high and on which products? And what was the reason for that?
Jukka Moisio
executiveYes. That was basically because of the slowing economy in the final quarter and early in '23, pipeline across the system is quite full. We expect that that will then clear our, be clear out step by step. But towards the end of the year, the pipeline was quite full.
Giulio Pescatore
analystAnd that's a general industry comment, not on the Nokian issue.
Jukka Moisio
executiveThat was a general industry comment, but relates also to some of our tires. So it's not that we are immune to that.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from the line of Christoph Laskawi from Deutsche Bank.
Christoph Laskawi
analystWell, I'd also be on the ramp-up of the contract manufacturing volumes that you foresee. So the first one on that, how big is your confidence in the ramp up, given that it's not entirely yourself operating those volumes? And then just in terms of the pricing that you assume for those volumes to go into the market. In the meantime, before you have sizable volumes on the contract manufacturing, I would assume you just technically lose market share to some degree. Obviously, you have a strong brand. Do you just assume that you can go in with the market pricing that you see at that point and your premium pricing versus competition? Or do you need to be a bit more aggressive in order to place the volumes in the market as well?
Jukka Moisio
executivePoint of view that how confident we are that we can deliver those contract manufacturing volumes. We are quite confident. We've tested the quality. We've audited or we are in the process of auditing the supplier plans. And we see that in terms of logistics factory quality, we are confident that we can deliver. Now obviously, the pricing wise, they are not as profitable as our premium tires made in Nokia or in Dayton. However, an important part of making sure that we provide to our customers and our distribution Nokian products so that they have a good portfolio of products. This is, of course, something that over time will evolve. And we expect that the offtake will be an important -- or more important part of our portfolio in years to come. Historically, we haven't done that. But we see that even when we start Romania factory to increase capacity in Nokia and in Dayton, offtake will be an important part of our portfolio. And so therefore, the invest time effort development to make sure that that is going to be successful. Now the first volumes will be in the second half of '23. So at this point of time, these are plans. We are confident we will deliver. But then the reality will happen when we actually deliver. But those are included in our guidance of '23.
Christoph Laskawi
analystJust a follow-up, if I may, on that. You just said to Giulio's question, I think that inventory levels are fairly high. So by H2 of '23 in Europe, you would expect it to normalize and at the dealers to be at a level where they happily take those volumes, they come on to stream. In the U.S. is it any different?
Jukka Moisio
executiveYes. We expect that because the expectation of the new car deliveries will be positive in '23 versus '22. So we expect that there will be an increase in demand and improvement in the brand. So therefore, the inventories will be gone back to normalized level during the course of '23.
Päivi Antola
executiveOkay. Thank you very much. It's getting 4 o'clock here in Finland. So it's time to finish the call. You got any closing remarks, maybe a couple of words about building the Nokian Tyres?
Jukka Moisio
executiveThank you, Paivi. Maybe if I come back to that guidance, so EUR 1.3 billion to EUR 1.5 billion in '23, and that doesn't include any Russia. So this is based on our output in Nokia, in Dayton and offtake as well as Heavy Tyres Vianor. So that's the parameter of our guidance, 6% to 8% segment operating profit and then our new segment EBITDA will be at mid-double-digit kind of a number or higher. And key actions for our team in '23 are well lined out. So it's really to achieve the Romania factory, first steps. So building the real estate and then starting to install machines and being prepare for H2 '24 first tire manufacturing and then commercial production in '25. So this is one project. The other 1 is to ensure that the Nokia factory ramp up the new capacities that being installed right now; will be delivered as well as Heavy Tyres expansions will be delivered. And Dayton continued to ramp up as the new machine installations will be delivered. Those are quite important things and then the offtake, which is a new element or in that scale, a new element to our company that the quality, delivery, the process will be impeccable and that we get the benefit in our top line profitability in the second half of '23, so lots of new things in our company for our teams. At the same time, as Teemu was saying, 99.9% of the people are working on these ones. But we have an important professional team working on the Russia exit at the same time. And again, when the Russian exit is being achieved or concluded, the process concluded, we will then seek to organize a CMD as soon as possible to give more color how we get to EUR 2 billion net sales based on trend prices, with the highest of the high and lowest of the low, and what kind of volumes we expect from various sources coming and what kind of margin profile can be think about achieving at that point of time. Again, you all have been used to our Russian factory a long time ago. Russia, as we knew it at the time, delivered high margins. We don't see that Russia being there anymore. So we as a company want to move on and we have new highest new opportunities ahead of us and we will deliver on those. That's where Nokian Tyres right now. Thank you, Paivi.
Päivi Antola
executiveThank you, Jukka. Thank you, Teemu, and thank you all for participating and this concludes the call.
Operator
operatorThank you for joining today's call. You may now disconnect your lines.
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