Northern Technologies International Corporation ($NTIC)

Earnings Call Transcript · April 9, 2026

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Highlights from the call

Northern Technologies International Corporation (NTIC) reported its second quarter fiscal 2026 results, showing a 15.3% increase in consolidated net sales to $22 million, driven by strong performance in ZERUST Oil & Gas and Natur-Tec segments. Despite the revenue growth, the company reported a net loss of $35,000 or $0.00 per share, compared to a net income of $434,000 or $0.04 per share in the prior year. Management maintained guidance for continued sales growth and improved profitability in the second half of fiscal 2026, supported by stable trends in North America and strength in NTIC China.

Main topics

  • ZERUST Oil & Gas Growth: ZERUST Oil & Gas net sales increased by 72.1%, reaching a record $2.7 million for the quarter. This growth was attributed to investments in global sales infrastructure and a significant contract with a major offshore project. Management expects continued growth in this segment.
  • Natur-Tec Performance: Natur-Tec sales grew by 8.1% to $5.4 million. Management highlighted ongoing opportunities in North America and India, particularly in compostable food packaging solutions, which are expected to drive future growth.
  • NTIC China Expansion: NTIC China reported an 18.5% increase in net sales to $4.4 million, driven by strong domestic demand. Management emphasized limited exposure to U.S. tariffs and expects continued growth in this market.
  • Joint Venture Sales: Joint venture sales increased by 18.6% to $23.5 million, reflecting improved demand. Management anticipates positive impacts from economic stimulus in Europe, particularly in Germany.
  • Gross Margin Stability: Gross profit margin was stable at 35.7%, slightly up from 35.6% in the previous year. Management expects sequential improvement in gross margins throughout fiscal 2026.

Key metrics mentioned

  • Consolidated Net Sales: $22 million (vs $19.1 million prior year, +15.3% YoY)
  • Net Income: $35,000 loss (vs $434,000 profit prior year)
  • ZERUST Oil & Gas Sales: $2.7 million (+72.1% YoY)
  • Natur-Tec Sales: $5.4 million (+8.1% YoY)
  • Gross Margin: 35.7% (vs 35.6% prior year)
  • Operating Expenses: $9.5 million (+7.7% YoY)

NTIC's strong revenue growth in Q2 FY2026 indicates successful execution of its growth strategy, particularly in the ZERUST Oil & Gas and Natur-Tec segments. However, the net loss highlights challenges in converting sales into profitability. Investors should monitor the company's ability to leverage recent investments and manage operating expenses to enhance earnings. Key risks include macroeconomic uncertainties and input cost pressures, while catalysts include continued expansion in China and successful execution of large contracts in the oil and gas sector.

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

Operator
#1

Good morning. As part of the discussion today, the representatives from NTIC will be making certain forward-looking statements regarding NTIC's future financial and operating results as well as their business plans, objectives and expectations. Please be advised that these forward-looking statements are covered under the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and that NTIC desires to avail itself of the protections of the safe harbor for these statements. Please also be advised that the actual results could differ materially from those stated or implied by the forward-looking statements due to certain risks and uncertainties, including those described in NTIC's most recent annual report on Form 10-K, subsequent quarterly reports on Form 10-Q and recent press releases. Please read these reports and other future filings that NTIC will make with the SEC. NTIC disclaims any duty to update or revise its forward-looking statements. I would now like to turn the call over to Patrick Lynch, CEO. You may begin.

G. Lynch

Executives
#2

Good morning. I'm Patrick Lynch, NTIC's CEO, and I'm here with Matt Wolsfeld, NTIC's CFO. Please note that a press release regarding our second quarter fiscal 2026 financial results was issued earlier this morning and is available at ntic.com. During today's call, we will review various key aspects of our fiscal 2026 second quarter financial results, provide a brief business update and then conclude with a question-and-answer session. Please note that when we discuss year-over-year performance, we are referring to the second quarter of our fiscal 2026 in comparison to the second quarter of last fiscal year. Our results were in line with expectations as we continued to execute against our long-term growth strategy. Second quarter performance was driven by solid top line growth across our businesses, including record second quarter ZERUST Oil & Gas net sales with year-over-year growth across all geographies, reflecting the investments we've made in our global sales infrastructure and the increasing adoption of our VCI solutions within the global oil and gas industry. We have also seen continued strength at NTIC China despite the seasonal impact of the Lunar New Year and achieved another solid quarter of Natur-Tec Growth. Overall, second quarter and year-to-date results reflect the resilience of our business model and the increasing value customers place on our corrosion prevention and compostable plastic solutions. While the macro environment, including geopolitical tensions in the Middle East, ongoing supply chain pressures and continued challenges in the European economy has become more uncertain, we remain confident in the direction of our business and the strategies we are executing to drive long-term value. The diversity of our end markets, geographic footprint and product portfolio positions us well to navigate near-term volatility. As we move through the second half of fiscal 2026, we expect continued sales growth and improved profitability, supported by stable trends in North America and ongoing strength in NTIC China, ZERUST Oil & Gas and Natur-Tec. So with this overview, let's examine the drivers for the second quarter in more detail. For the second quarter ended February 28, 2026, our total consolidated net sales increased 15.3% to $22 million as compared to the second quarter ended February 28, 2025. Broken down by business unit, this included a 72.1% increase in ZERUST Oil & Gas net sales, an 11.2% increase in ZERUST Industrial net sales and an 8.1% increase in Natur-Tec net sales. Turning to our joint venture sales, which we do not consolidate in our financial statements. Total net sales for the fiscal 2026 second quarter by our joint ventures increased year-over-year by 18.6% to $23.5 million, reflecting improved year-over-year demand across many of our joint ventures. We continue to closely monitor trends across our European markets for signs of stabilization following years of subdued demand as governments begin to implement targeted economic stimulus packages. We expect that any economic recovery from these stimulus packages will lead to a positive impact on our joint venture operating income in future periods, especially in Germany. Improving sales trends continued at our wholly owned NTIC China subsidiary. Fiscal 2026 second quarter net sales at NTIC China increased by 18.5% to $4.4 million, demonstrating strong demand in this geography. Furthermore, given that the majority of NTIC's China sales are for domestic Chinese consumption, we believe NTIC China's exposure to U.S. tariffs is limited. We expect demand in China will continue to improve in fiscal 2026, helping to support higher incremental sales and profitability in this market. We believe that China will likely become a significant market for our Industrial and bioplastics segments, so we will continue to take steps to enhance our operations in this geography. Now moving on to ZERUST Oil & Gas. ZERUST Oil & Gas sales were $2.7 million, a second quarter record and increased 72.1% from the same period last year. This growth reflects the investments we've made in our global sales infrastructure and the increasing adoption of our VCI solutions within the global oil and gas industry. A highlight of increasing ZERUST Oil & Gas adoption includes the 3-year contract with an estimated total value of approximately $13 million we announced in November 2025 for a major offshore project with a leading global EPC company. We expect this project to ramp throughout the current fiscal year and continue through calendar 2028. This is a significant validation of our engineering capabilities, the scalability of our ZERUST Oil & Gas business and the reputation we've built as a trusted partner to leading offshore operators. Brazil represents one of the fastest-growing deepwater markets globally, and we believe this win provides a strong foundation for continued growth and expansion across international oil and gas markets. During the second quarter, we also experienced higher year-over-year oil and gas sales in the Middle East, North America, India and China from both new and existing customers, reflecting the contribution of recent investments we've made to enhance our sales team and add resources to support future growth. This has improved our sales pipeline and the size and number of opportunities have expanded. Our pipeline includes global opportunities to protect above-ground oil storage tanks, pipeline casings and offshore oil rigs from corrosion. The nature of this industry will always cause certain fluctuations in ZERUST Oil & Gas sales. Nevertheless, we still expect to see ZERUST Oil & Gas sales and profitability improve significantly in fiscal 2026 as we continue to leverage these investments and rein in operating expense growth. Turning to our Natur-Tec Bioplastics business. Second quarter Natur-Tec sales were $5.4 million, representing an 8.1% year-over-year increase in Natur-Tec sales. We continue to pursue several larger opportunities in North America and India for our Natur-Tec solutions that we believe hold significant promise to benefit our sales in the coming quarters, including advancing the compostable food packaging solution we mentioned on prior calls. Overall, we believe Natur-Tec is a best-in-class compostable plastic business that is well positioned for significant future growth in the United States and abroad, and we expect sales to continue to expand throughout the year. Before I turn the call over to Matt, I want to acknowledge the hard work and dedication of our global team of both employees and joint venture partners, our success and our ability to navigate more complex economic periods are a direct result of their efforts. With this overview, let me now turn the call over to Matt Wolsfeld to summarize our financial results for the fiscal 2026 second quarter.

Matthew Wolsfeld

Executives
#3

Thanks, Patrick. Compared to the prior fiscal year period, NTIC's consolidated net sales increased 15.3% in the fiscal 2026 second quarter, the strongest year-over-year growth rate we've achieved since fiscal 2022 because of the trends Patrick reviewed in his prepared remarks. Sales across our global joint ventures increased 18.6% in the second quarter. Joint venture operating income in the second quarter increased 19.8% compared to the prior fiscal year period, primarily due to higher sales at our joint ventures. Total operating expenses for the fiscal 2026 second quarter increased 7.7% to $9.5 million, primarily due to higher selling and general and administrative expenses, partially offset by a reduction in research and development expenses. Operating expenses as a percentage of second quarter sales were 43.2% compared to 46.2% in the prior fiscal year period. We expect quarterly sales to grow faster than operating expenses as we continue to leverage recent investments and upgrades across our global operations. Gross profit as a percentage of net sales was 35.7% during the 3 months ended February 28, 2026, compared to 35.6% during the prior fiscal year period. Higher gross margin for the second quarter was primarily due to the increase in sales. We expect gross margin to improve sequentially during fiscal 2026. As a reminder, during the second quarter last fiscal year, NTIC recognized $1.1 million in other income due to the receipt of a onetime cash employee retention credit payment. No other income was recognized in this fiscal year's second quarter. NTIC reported a net loss of $35,000 or $0.00 per share for the fiscal 2026 second quarter compared to a net income of $434,000 or $0.04 per diluted share for the fiscal 2025 second quarter. For the fiscal 2026 second quarter, NTIC's non-GAAP adjusted net income was $70,000 or $0.01 per diluted share compared to a non-GAAP adjusted net loss of $300,000 or a loss of $0.03 per diluted share for the fiscal 2025 second quarter. A reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial measures is available in our second quarter fiscal 2026 earnings press release that was issued this morning. As of February 28, 2026, working capital was $20.2 million, including $5.6 million in cash and cash equivalents compared to $20.4 million, including $7.3 million in cash and cash equivalents as of August 31, 2025. As of February 28, 2026, we had outstanding debt of $14.3 million. This included $11.3 million in borrowings under our existing revolving line of credit compared to $12.2 million as of August 31, 2025. Reducing debt through positive operating cash flow and improving working capital efficiencies is a strategic focus for fiscal 2026 and beyond. On February 28, 2026, the company had $29.7 million of investments in joint ventures, of which 51.8% or $15.4 million was in cash, with the remaining balance primarily invested in other working capital. In January 2026, NTIC's Board of Directors declared a quarterly cash dividend of $0.01 per common share that was payable on February 11, 2026, to stockholders of record on January 28, 2026. To conclude our prepared remarks, we believe our second quarter results demonstrate the continued strength and resilience of our business, led by strong year-over-year sales growth and improving year-to-date profitability. While the macro environment remains uncertain, we are encouraged by the underlying trends across our business and the momentum we are seeing across our operations. As we move to the balance of fiscal 2026, we expect revenue growth to increase -- increasingly translate to improved profitability, supported by operating leverage, disciplined expense management and continued focus on working capital efficiencies and debt reduction. We believe these factors position us well to navigate near-term macro uncertainty while driving stronger financial performance and cash flow generation over time. With this overview, Patrick and I are happy to take your questions.

Operator

Operator
#4

[Operator Instructions] And our first question will come from the line of Timothy Clarkson of Van Clemens.

Timothy Clarkson

Analysts
#5

Obviously, a really good quarter revenues-wise. Earnings still aren't quite there. But maybe you can talk a little bit about the investments that have been made over the last year or so and or the -- if you think the investments are worthwhile.

Matthew Wolsfeld

Executives
#6

Yes. I mean I'd say there's kind of what I'll call the long-term investments and the short-term investments. I mean the immediate investments that we made over the past few years are the -- really the hiring of a lot of people and starting the new subsidiary that we have in the UAE, specifically to deal with the oil and gas opportunities there. And we have seen success from that entity. Part of what has fueled the oil and gas revenue increase has been some of the revenues that we have achieved in the Middle East. If I look at kind of the breakout of oil and gas revenue, I think part of the expectation was that the increase was due to the Brazil contract, which is true. But we're really looking at let's say, a non-Brazil increase this quarter of about 85% compared to second quarter last year and a Brazil oil and gas increase of about 55% this year compared to Q2 of last year. So the growth that we're seeing in oil and gas is not localized to Brazil. It's happening based on opportunities in North America, in the Middle East and other regions. So we certainly get the sense that we're starting to get traction in that area from the investments that we made over the past 2 years. So at this point in time, we're happy with those investments. We're kind of at a point now with oil and gas where it's a transition from the work that we've been doing behind the scenes to really focusing on closing business and adding revenue to the top line that will ultimately flow down to an earnings per share standpoint. The other investments, key investments that we've made are -- will come through the investment section of the cash flow over the past couple of years where you look at purchasing the building next door and making improvements to that building and adding both warehousing capability and manufacturing capability to our facility, which has helped us maintain the gross margins on the new products that we have, so we don't have to outsource and can essentially achieve better gross margins on those products. So we spent about $4 million plus on that facility and bringing in some manufacturing capabilities here. And then additionally, over the past 2 years, we implemented a new SAP system, which certainly has been a little bit more painful to deal with. But long term, I think the data that we're getting out of that SAP system and the way that we will be able to kind of integrate things worldwide with the kind of how the company is set up with the subsidiaries around the world and the joint ventures, it's going to give us much better data to be able to grow from a total global company perspective. So those are really the 3 main investments we've made over the past 2 years. I think although a lot of them have been, I'll say, difficult and certainly added to operating expense over the past 2 years, I think that's really what's going to fuel the company for the coming 3 to 5 years.

Timothy Clarkson

Analysts
#7

Right, right. Now obviously, China is doing really well. I mean there was some concern that as they transition to electric cars, there wouldn't be very much demand for ZERUST. It looks like there's still plenty of demand for ZERUST, electric cars or not.

Matthew Wolsfeld

Executives
#8

Yes. China has done well, I'd say surprisingly well. They're transitioning. If I look back at kind of where we were selling in China when we established the subsidiary in 2014, '15, '16 compared to where we are now, there's been, I'd say, a little bit of a transition between supplying the, let's say, the U.S.-based or European-based automotive companies to now focusing on supplying for domestic consumption, which is good given kind of the volatility of what happens in China from an exportation standpoint. So a lot of the increases that we've seen in China have been for domestic consumption of the ZERUST product, which is very positive from our standpoint.

Timothy Clarkson

Analysts
#9

Right. One last question. Just in general, on the R&D, I mean, are there any is the R&D spend particularly on ZERUST type products or on the compostable stuff or some of both? Or are there some new emerging technologies coming from all the R&D spending?

G. Lynch

Executives
#10

From the Match side, in particular, we're very positive on what's going to happen in the food packaging sector. We're confident that should hit in the next 6 to 12 months.

Timothy Clarkson

Analysts
#11

Okay. And that was what creating the compostable packaging that doesn't allow moisture in, right?

G. Lynch

Executives
#12

That's right.

Timothy Clarkson

Analysts
#13

Right, right. That's -- no one else has that product, right?

G. Lynch

Executives
#14

Right.

Timothy Clarkson

Analysts
#15

Well, good. All right. I'm done. I mean, obviously, the -- well, one last question, I'll ask it is, I mean, is there still -- I mean, historically, Northern Tech would net 10% net at kind of optimum sales level. Is that still the goal of the company, 10% after tax?

Matthew Wolsfeld

Executives
#16

It's difficult to kind of look at it just from that standpoint of what the traditional net is because, obviously, the joint venture operating income that comes in is not included from a top line standpoint. And so I think the big difficulty we have as a company is if you look back at kind of the historical contributions from the joint ventures, it was significantly higher. I mean just looking at what we previously received from the German joint venture, that would be anywhere from $0.10, $0.12 per share per quarter coming in, where now you're looking at $0.05 or $0.06 per quarter coming in. So what we're seeing is that as we get back to getting up to -- which we expect to see in Q3 and Q4, a significant increase in the earnings compared to Q1 and Q2, it's really a matter of how the Natur-Tec business, the oil and gas business and the industrial businesses that we have, how are those really kind of offsetting some of the declines we've seen from the difficulties at the German joint venture, specifically dealing with the German economy. They've done a good job of with what they're dealing with, given the difficulties with energy prices and things like that in Germany specifically. But it's really a matter of getting the income from the new businesses and seeing those take off to really augment for what have been kind of a decline in Germany.

Timothy Clarkson

Analysts
#17

The revenue growth is already showing, so that's good.

Operator

Operator
#18

And our next question will be coming from the line of Jake Patterson of Talanta Investment Group.

Jake Patterson

Analysts
#19

Just a couple of quick ones. First off, on gross margin, I know you guided for sequential expansion and are continuing to guide for that. We saw margins kind of flattish, even down slightly quarter-over-quarter. And it looks like a lot of that was from Natur-Tec, kind of one of the weaker margins we've seen in at least the last couple of years. So I was kind of curious maybe what happened there and the outlook for the second half going forward on that margin?

Matthew Wolsfeld

Executives
#20

Well, there's a lot of different factors that have kind of impacted Natur-Tec, I'd say, over the past -- if I look back 4 or 5 quarters. It's historic -- it's going to be a more volatile gross margin. The reason for the volatility is twofold. One is, you have kind of fluctuating input prices from the materials that we're using. And two, a bigger component of that is that we're doing global manufacturing for the Natur-Tec resins. And so there's been a lot of impact from the tariffs and the change in tariffs that we have in place. So when we were focused more on manufacturing in China, and there was some volatility with tariffs there, we saw some increases and then increases. We're now set up where we're going to be set very quickly, where we're able to do manufacturing in China, in Vietnam, in India and longer term, looking for some North American manufacturing capabilities for Natur-Tec. The other component to the gross margin is the selling price. And we certainly have seen that the Natur-Tec end products, it is a competitive environment. And we certainly are seeing that the companies we're dealing with are dealing with razor thin margins. And at times, we have had to decrease price to remain competitive in some of those larger bids. So certainly, the goal is to move forward in selling, let's say, more of the proprietary resins compared to the end products that are in the more competitive space. But ultimately, there's just a lot of input factors to what impacts the gross profit for Natur-Tec specifically. Certainly, the goal is to hold it -- hold the Natur-Tec gross margin to increase margin as much as possible. It's just sometimes difficult depending on the region.

Jake Patterson

Analysts
#21

Okay. Okay. Still on the margin side, I mean, ZERUST too, I mean, just looking at the oil and gas mix relative to last year, I mean, it's 500 basis points higher and gross margin is down year-over-year there. Is that still any impact from that supplier issue you guys had in the first quarter? Because it doesn't really seem like as much improvement as I would have thought.

Matthew Wolsfeld

Executives
#22

Yes. We did continue to have the impact on inventory and the impact from the supplier issue we talked about in Q1 and kind of the carryover to Q2. The other difficulty we have that hasn't impacted us from a second quarter standpoint is what's going to happen in Q3 and Q4, given what's going on with energy prices and polyethylene prices and things like that worldwide. We've dealt with this before, whether during COVID or whether during other time periods, but we do our best to pass through increases in raw material prices to customers as much as possible. But certainly, we're seeing an increase in some of the main base materials that go into our polyethylene-based products. So it's certainly something to kind of watch out for in Q3 and Q4.

Jake Patterson

Analysts
#23

Yes. I saw that as like Dow and [indiscernible], I think raised prices 60% or so. So that should be interesting to see. I guess one last one. You just mentioned that the Middle East contributed to some of your oil and gas revenue growth, and they were up, I think, like 80% or something year-over-year. When you go look at your investor presentation, you guys -- I think you break out the geographies for ZERUST Oil & Gas, and it only lists Brazil and North America, at least as of November your fiscal '25 year. So I was kind of curious, it sounded like there was some Middle East revenue from that geography last year, but I'm assuming it's pretty minimal at this point.

Matthew Wolsfeld

Executives
#24

I mean I wouldn't say it's minimal. I mean if I look at kind of what they did, we previously were selling to some of these Middle East opportunities as far as we had larger contracts with British Petroleum in Georgia and some other areas like that. We've historically sold to Reliance in India, and these sales were happening through North America. Now what we're doing is pushing some of these opportunities to be more localized in that area because they're better set up to serve that region. So it's kind of -- those previously were going through North America. I think kind of going forward, once the subsidiary in the UAE is fully up and running, fully functional and operating completely independently, we'll break out the revenues for that area in the investor presentation. The other thing that's kind of changed is we are using the subsidiary network that we have in place to go after the oil and gas opportunities. I mentioned specifically opportunities in India. There's opportunities in China, certainly the subsidiary in Brazil. These are all areas where we want to go after oil and gas opportunities with those subsidiaries. Some of them are also bringing in and hiring people that specialize in the oil and gas space to be able to go after those opportunities there. So we'll establish kind of regional hub in Asia, as we talked about in the Middle East, which makes sense. But ultimately, we're looking to push those oil and gas products out through all the subsidiaries that we have to take advantage of that network that we spent so long to build up.

Operator

Operator
#25

And our next question will be coming from the line of Gus Richard of Northland Capital Markets.

Auguste Richard

Analysts
#26

I kind of want to focus on the impact of the war you guys reported the last quarter, the last quarter ended before the war started. There's been a lot of change in the world. And I'm first curious, is that changing regional demand in terms of where companies or countries or regions are getting more active or less active.

Matthew Wolsfeld

Executives
#27

I guess there's a bunch of different impacts from what's happening kind of across the board. You've got the very, very up and close impact where the individuals that we have in a subsidiary in Dubai are getting air raid sirens and are locked in place and told not to go out at various times and they're seeing this firsthand. And so a lot of the areas where they're going to sell products and do installations and things like that are in locked down. But you do have the opportunity that with some of the infrastructure that's been essentially blown up, you are going to have opportunities where there's rebuilding and where there's different things going on and increased spending in those areas where they're going to need some corrosion protection and things like that. So there's a very direct impact from those things. Then you have kind of the secondary impact of what's happening with supply chain and energy prices and things like that with what's going on in the Strait and what's going on kind of with -- from a relationship standpoint, which is causing energy prices to increase, which is causing raw material prices to increase, which is obviously impacting not just NTIC, but certainly all the joint ventures and the subsidiaries. On top of that, you've got subsidiaries that I'd say are further away, take for example, Brazil, where they potentially have supply constraints from the standpoint of the product needs to be shipped, the raw material products need to be shipped there, there's potentially shortages of the product. We're not seeing shortages of products in North America. It's -- the prices are going up, but we're not seeing shortages, but we're looking at certain regions around the world where they're potentially saying they're running the issues of even having raw materials in place to be able to make the product, which is different than just seeing price increases. And so there's a lot of different ways where with what's going on in the Middle East, with what's going on with the war is kind of impacting the company. But certainly it's certainly a concern, but we have -- I think we're in a position where we're able to deal with those issues. If I look at kind of what's happening in Brazil, we had a conversation in Brazil about what's going on with supply lines. We're fortunate that we have other subsidiaries and other entities around the world to potentially be able to meet the customer in Brazil, meet their demand and provide product to them. So we're not sole sourced in areas. It allows us flexibility. It allows us the ability to pick and choose what we want to go after and have options as far as picking lowest cost suppliers, things like that.

Auguste Richard

Analysts
#28

Got it. And then -- so you've got increase in input prices. Is that -- are you able to pass that increase on to your customers? How are you adjusting to higher input costs? And how receptive are your customers to that or contractually?

Matthew Wolsfeld

Executives
#29

Well, the good thing that we have is that, one, we have -- initially when things kicked off, we did build up inventory a little bit. We're doing our best to hold prices where we can, but we also don't want to be in a situation like what we had in COVID where we reacted too slowly. And ultimately, we didn't raise prices for like 6 months, and we had issues. So we're kind of in a -- we're in a situation where we're monitoring prices we are looking at raising prices where we can, specifically when we are selling custom-made products that is based off of the price that we pay, it's easy to push that increase on to customers. The other benefit that you have is, it's not like this is an anomaly where the customers don't understand what's going on from an international standpoint and from a raw material pricing standpoint. I mean they see what's happening at the gas pumps specifically. They can read and hear what's happening from the supply chain and prices going up. And so it's easy to come in and explain and say, look, the price of polyethylene has increased from -- by $0.20. This is how your price of our product is increasing and why. And so it's a matter of walking the customers through it and explaining what's happening, but we can certainly point to very clear data that shows exactly how our input prices are increasing. That certainly helps with passing those increases on to customers in an increased final price [indiscernible].

Auguste Richard

Analysts
#30

Got it. And then you talked about operating leverage. Does the operating leverage come from holding OpEx flat and rising revenue? Or is there an opportunity to trim your OpEx? A little color there would be helpful.

Matthew Wolsfeld

Executives
#31

The goal from a leveraging standpoint is to increase revenue. And if we kind of look forward right now with the backlog that we have and the projects that we have, the expectations are that our third and fourth quarter will be significantly better than first and second quarter. We've historically had very strong third and fourth quarters from a revenue standpoint, and I would expect that trend to continue. Second quarter is historically -- not every second quarter, but traditionally, our second quarters are our slowest quarters from a revenue standpoint. The reason why revenues look good in the second quarter this year is because second quarter last year was down so much. It was such a bad quarter last year from a comparative standpoint. But given where we're at from a backlog and expected projects we had to close, the third and fourth quarter should really show, I think, how the company is going to get back on track from an earnings standpoint and a profitability standpoint, where we can see how we're going to utilize that leverage and push as many gross margin dollars to the bottom line as possible. So holding OpEx flat or as low as possible is certainly the objective necessarily cutting expense at this point in time.

Auguste Richard

Analysts
#32

Okay. Got it. And then the last one for me, just looking at the balance sheet, cash has declined the last 5 quarters in a row. Net cash, right, has declined. Your debt has increased. The cash has kind of stayed the same. And I just want to understand what was driving that decline? Was it investments in the business? And sort of what's the plan to get cash back to a better place? Can you repatriate some of the cash in some of the JVs, for example? Any thoughts there?

Matthew Wolsfeld

Executives
#33

Yes. There's kind of a 3-pronged approach. One is certainly to bring back from a dividend standpoint, cash at the subsidiaries and at the JV level to help increase the amount of cash we have here and ultimately get a line of credit. The #1 thing that we need to do is we need to increase earnings. If you look back quarter-by-quarter, what we're doing from an earnings standpoint, it's -- you're not going to be able to build your cash back. Obviously, in fiscal '25 with virtually no earnings. The last time -- in fiscal '24, we certainly -- we generated $0.60 a share, which helped from a cash standpoint. But obviously, everything we did in 2005 from an earnings standpoint hurt us. A big component to our income is the equity income, which obviously isn't cash coming in. It's the dividends that come in from the equity income that ultimately get you there. And so the goal is to increase earnings, which is, I think, what you're going to see in Q3 and Q4, which will help pay down the debt. The other item is the investing section from a cash flow standpoint. We've made -- as I kind of explained earlier in the call, we made significant investments in PP&E items as far as the building next door and the SAP system that we had cash out the door to fund. The actual investments that we're going to be making from a cash flow standpoint over the next few years is going to be significantly smaller than what we've done in the past 2 years. And I think that's going to ultimately -- that's also going to significantly put more cash back on the books. So I think the trend is going to start kind of in Q3 and Q4 to work on reducing the debt exposure.

Operator

Operator
#34

And I'm showing no further questions. I would now like to turn the call back to management for closing remarks.

G. Lynch

Executives
#35

I just want to thank everybody for coming out this morning and wish you a good day.

Operator

Operator
#36

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