NorthWestern Energy Group, Inc. (NWE) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

August 19, 2025

US Utilities Multi-Utilities M&A Calls 43 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

Operator
#1

Good morning, everyone. Welcome to today's conference call to discuss the Black Hills Corporation and NorthWestern Energy merger. My name is Michelle, and I'll be your operator. [Operator Instructions] You can find the press release and associated materials for today's call on the Investor Relations section of either company's website. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded. As provided on Slide 2, any forward-looking statements made during today's conference call are given in the context of today only and are subject to important risks as described in the presentation. Actual results and events could differ materially from those discussed here. Please also refer to the additional information discussed on Slide 2 as well as in the SEC filings and joint press release for both companies. With that, I will now turn the call over to Linn Evans, President and Chief Executive Officer of Black Hills Corporation. Linn?

Linden Evans

Executives
#2

Thank you very much, and good morning, everyone. We're coming to you live from Rapid City, South Dakota. If you've had the opportunity to visit our building here in Rapid City, you might know that we're sitting in the northwest corner of our building with a gorgeous view of this morning as the sun is rising on the black hills, so just a great day to be here. So thank you for joining us. And this is really a memorable day for us, as we announced that our Board yesterday unanimously approved a merger agreement to combine our 2 great companies to create what we see as a premier regional regulated electric and natural gas utility company. These are 2 great companies that we're performing together for the last 20 years. We've talked about potentially combining these 2 companies. And given the organic growth opportunities both have before us and the impact on customer affordability, the benefits of scale, we would argue, have never been more relevant in merging our businesses now has never made more sense. On this slide -- next slide is today's speakers. I'm very pleased to be joined today with a highly experienced team that will be leading our combined company post closure. Brian Bird, who's with me this morning, is President and CEO of NorthWestern, who will become CEO of the combined company. Marne Jones is also with us this morning. She's Black Hill's Chief Utility Officer, and she will become the Chief Operating Officer of the combined company. And Crystal Lail, who's CFO of NorthWestern will remain as CFO going forward with the combined company, and I'm pleased that Kimberly Nooney, who's Black Hills CFO, will become the company's Chief Integration Officer upon close. I'm moving to Slide 4. This is a great slide that gives an overview of the transaction. I'll take some time to walk through this, very important slide. The combination is being structured, importantly, as an all-stock combination of Black Hills and NorthWestern with no new debt being issued related to the transaction. The NorthWestern shareholders will receive 0.98 shares of Black Hills stock for each share that they hold in NorthWestern. As of the expected closing, we estimate today that the combined company will be owned 56% by the legacy Black Hills shareholders and 44% by the legacy NorthWestern shareholders. In terms of the executive leadership profile, which I just went through, our teams have been working very closely over the last several months to bring this deal together, very complementary cultures, a great team of people that we've got to know over a number of years and work very closely together. The corporate headquarters will be located here in Rapid City. But similar to what I would call our current operations model, we'll have other operation centers and other corporate offices that we'll maintain across our service territories knowing how important that local service is to our ongoing success. And we'll continue to work through the integration process, and we'll announce what we believe will be a new company name and a new stock ticker upon closing. Actually, we'll announce that as we start to head into the proxy vote period. Our utility subsidiaries will continue to do business under their legal names without any expected disruption to customer service. As you know, we've been through around this horn a few times with other M&A activity. We're very good at it as a collective team. So we're looking forward to making that happen. And the transaction will be subject, of course, to customary regulatory approvals, we'll seek approval in Montana, Nebraska and South Dakota. And as potential, we may need to seek approval in Arkansas. And importantly, we expect that the closing will happen from 12 to 15 months from today's announcing. Also, we'll be seeking an approval, of course, from FERC and Hart-Scott-Rodino. So we're very excited about this transaction, very favorable to customers, the communities we serve, shareholders and employees. And I hope you hear the excitement in my voice that we're very excited for this opportunity. With that, I'm going to turn it over to Brian.

Brian Bird

Executives
#3

Thanks, Linn. I'll tell you at the start, I think a picture speaks a thousand words. And on Slide 5 here, it's pure play utility across 8 contiguous states. And as you look at the map, the states of this combined service territories are going to cover 20% in the continental United States, which allows the combined company to be exposed to incremental accretive growth projects across electric and natural gas, and now with the financial scale to better capture those opportunities. The combination of these 2 highly complementary businesses with shared cultures and commitment to operational excellence creates in what we believe will be a premier utility platform in our region. Together, we'll have approximately $11 billion of combined rate base underpinning energy delivery to approximately 2.1 million electric and natural gas utility customers. All of this will be supported by a workforce of 4,400 (sic) [ 44,000 ] highly skilled employees. Our business mix will be more balanced across 61% electric and 39% gas, will be much more diversified by a regulatory jurisdiction with no single jurisdiction being more than 33% of the combined rate base. And of our CapEx, 75% of that CapEx is going to be focused on gas and electric T&D business. The combination presents a compelling and strategic and financial rationale. We believe this strategic transaction is the right combination at the right time. We've been working leading up to this day, almost for half a year on this transaction. And as Linn pointed out early on his points, it's been a very, very cooperative, and you can tell cultures aligned extremely well to do it. Both management teams have reinforced our shared belief in the importance of scale in the utility industry. This combination of the contiguous utility service territories, we believe will enhance our ability to continue delivering safe, reliable and cost-effective energy to our customers. As a sign of the recognition of how these 2 companies will be better together, we are setting a long-term EPS growth rate for the combined company of 5% to 7%. It's 100 basis points higher than each stand-alone company's 4% to 6% range currently. We believe this can be achieved through a combination of smaller equity issuances, operational optimization in the business and enhanced growth opportunities of the combined business. Further, we expect the transaction to be accretive to each company's shareholders in the first full year post closing. We'd expect this combination to continue to produce strong and predictable earnings and cash flows. Overall, we believe the combined company will be in a stronger position to capture incremental accretive growth opportunities more than either company could achieve independently. Lastly, our 2 teams know each other well at both the executive and operational levels, which we believe is an asset to help us deliver operational and financial best practices. Regarding scale, we are firm believers in the value of scale and how this will unlock our ability to do more together than either company can do stand-alone, as we continue to invest for the benefit of our customers. Across various metrics, this transaction will transform our scale position, solidifying us as a regional leader and will move us from the SMID-cap space to a mid-cap utility. This larger footprint provides enhanced opportunities to efficiently manage our business and ensure affordable and reliable service while supporting substantial rate base investment opportunities. Regarding diversity, in addition to scale, both companies share a belief that a balanced business mix provides benefits to all stakeholders and customers across our predominantly residential electric and gas customer base. The balanced contribution by jurisdiction supports the company's ability to manage the regulatory outcomes and supports a stable earnings and cash flow profile with no single jurisdiction representing more than 1/3 of rate base. And with that, I'm going to pass it over to Marne.

Marne Jones

Executives
#4

Thank you, Brian, and good morning. So Linn and Brian just spoke to the compelling benefits from a financial lens. We also believe that coming together, we bring aligned core operating priorities, bringing value to the merger. First, for our customers, today, our 4,400 (sic) [ 44,000 ] teammates across our 2 entities are committed to serving our customers with safe, reliable and cost-effective energy. As we come together, we plan to continue our customer-focused efforts as we serve our combined 2.1 million customers. For our employees, we strive to be the employer of choice in our region, reinforcing our safety-focused culture and continuing to attract and retain top talent as a combined organization that will drive enhanced opportunities for our teams. And our communities, we live and work in the same communities we serve, and that will continue. We are privileged to serve over 1,200 communities across our 8 states and believe the merger will provide benefits through strong community partnerships and continued support of local philanthropic activities. Moving into our operations. Individually, we're each proud of our operational performance and reputation for operational excellence through safety and reliability of our natural gas and electric systems. Together, we expect to continue and build upon our operational performance while keeping customers at the center of focus. Leaning into our scale and executing on operational optimization to maintain cost-effective rates for our customers. With that, I'm going to turn it over to Kimberly.

Kimberly Nooney

Executives
#5

Thanks, Marne. If you look at the left side of the slide, you will see on a combined basis, together, we have almost $7.5 billion of capital investments within our 5-year financial plans, of which more than 75% represent both gas and electric transmission and distribution investment opportunities. This $7.5 billion in capital supports our increased long-term EPS growth target of 5% to 7%. Through the work we've been doing as a team, we believe there are significant growth opportunities beyond what we've included in our stand-alone plans that will enhance our growth profile further supporting why we are better together. These opportunities will span across the various areas of our business, including being able to serve the growing demand -- data center demand and large load customer demand. Before leaving this slide, I'd like to reiterate that as a combined company, we can collectively benefit from greater accretive growth opportunities that we have not included on a combined basis in our plans. Moving to the next slide. We, as a combined company and management team, are committed to providing an enhanced total return for our shareholders. As mentioned earlier, this merger is accretive to both companies' shareholders in the first year. This accretion will be driven by financial benefits, including incremental growth opportunities and operational optimization that we have assessed leading up to today's announcement. These benefits and optimization opportunities substantially contribute to our combined long-term EPS growth target of 5% to 7%, up from our previous individual company EPS growth targets of 4% to 6%. Additionally, this merger doubles rate base and provides incremental capital investment opportunities beyond our current stand-alone 5-year plans. From a dividend perspective, both companies will continue current dividend policies between now and closing. Following closing, our pro forma dividend growth will balance a competitive dividend per share growth rate with efficient financing of incremental accretive growth opportunities. I'm going to turn it over to Crystal.

Crystal Lail

Executives
#6

Thank you, Kim. I am absolutely delighted to be sitting in this room with this team of people and have the opportunity to discuss further this transaction, which we believe is at the right time for the right set of companies and further the financial implications of what we're talking to you about today. From a financial perspective, our combined size and scale will provide the opportunity to grow while maintaining the strength of our balance sheet and our credit profile. Many of you know these management teams and know what we've done alone. Together, we think, we will be compelling from an investor perspective, but also committed to what we've already done, which is to have a strong investment-grade balance sheet, which we believe is a critical value driver for a premium utility and supports our ability to maintain efficient access to capital and finance investments for our customers. The rationale of bringing together these 2 companies in an all-stock transaction without issuing any transaction-related debt, we believe this combined company will be efficiently capitalized to capture these future growth opportunities, as many have alluded to already, incremental to our current plans and with the strength of our balance sheet and cash flows, allowing us to reduce equity needs over time. Moving to Slide 14. We believe this creates a compelling opportunity for meaningful value uplift potential. You've heard each of us today talk about both the quantitative and qualitative combination benefits, including the combined financial strength, the increased compelling diversification and our enhanced market position. All of these things that have been summarized by the team created a real valuation rerating opportunity for the stock. Specifically, as alluded to by several others, the ability to increase our long-term EPS growth rate by 100 basis points to 5% to 7% and achieve that on a consistent basis, while preserving further upside for accretive growth opportunities across our expansive service territory. Meanwhile, our balance sheet remains strong with ample credit capacity to minimize future reliance on equity capital supporting our current organic growth and future growth, not in our plans. In closing, the financial rationale for this transaction is compelling. We're all committed to it and believe in it, and it results in a financially strong entity well positioned for future growth. The combined company offers a strong investment opportunity. And with that, I'll turn it back to Brian.

Brian Bird

Executives
#7

Thanks, Crystal. Next page highlights required approvals and estimated timing. We have expected state approvals across Montana, South Dakota and Nebraska, plus approvals required by FERC, DOJ and the SEC. We may also require approval from Arkansas if that's needed. We anticipate filing our joint proxy over the coming months, followed by shareholder meetings for each company with expected approvals and a closing in 12 to 15 months. Throughout this time line, we will be developing our transition integration plans, so we'll be able to hit the ground running immediately post-closing. So in summary, we strongly believe that scale is necessary today given the unprecedented growth our sector is experiencing. By merging our companies, we can organically increase our long-term EPS growth rate to 5% to 7% and achieve accretion to both companies' shareholders in the first full year. We intend to maintain our strong investment-grade balance sheet to responsibly finance future growth. Our combined geographic footprint expands investment opportunities in areas that may not be available to either company on a stand-alone basis across data centers and other traditional utility growth projects. Lastly, our combined 2.1 million customer base enhances our business diversity with 44 combined employees -- 44,000, excuse me, combined employees to continue serving our customers. And with that, I'll pass it over to Linn to close. Thanks, Linn.

Linden Evans

Executives
#8

Thank you, Brian, and thank you to the team. Very well said. We truly believe that this combined platform really poises us very well, more than either the company could do on a stand-alone basis. And I believe we have the right team at the right time to execute this plan. And I'm very excited about this strategic merger. The combination of these 2 great companies and the benefits that we know will extend to all of our stakeholders, our customers, our communities, our shareholders and our employee team. And we want to thank you very much for joining us this morning. We look forward to engaging you along with the process as we go through the approval process. And with that, that's our prepared comments, and we're happy to answer your questions.

Operator

Operator
#9

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Nicholas Campanella with Barclays.

Nicholas Campanella

Analysts
#10

Congrats on the announcement.

Brian Bird

Executives
#11

Thanks, Nick.

Nicholas Campanella

Analysts
#12

So lots of questions to ask here. I guess just first, you talked about approvals in Montana, South Dakota, Nebraska. Can you remind us just which states are no harm versus net benefit? And then just if you've had the opportunity to speak with stakeholders in each of these states before or after you've announced this transaction, just what has been the initial feedback.

Brian Bird

Executives
#13

All right, Nick. Well, fortunately, for us, all 3 of these states are no harm states. And so in essence, from our perspective, we'll spend some time hopefully having a chance to talk to them about the benefits in advance of a filing. And we expect to do that, the filing somewhere in the 60 days timetable, so think October. And I think it's important to have a conversation in terms of why this is a great thing for customers and truly have that opportunity, as you know, and during the rate review process, it's difficult to have those conversations. So we look forward to having them here very, very soon.

Nicholas Campanella

Analysts
#14

Okay. Great. And then no equity issuance post '26 plus for this base plan. Can either of you just remind me if you have equity to do ahead of that in '25 or even early '26 if needed for credit or otherwise?

Kimberly Nooney

Executives
#15

Nick, it's Kimberly. For Black Hills, for 2025, we'll continue to execute our current equity plan, which within our guidance is $215 million to $235 million. And then for 2026, we have not provided public guidance, but we do have equity in the plan to support that capital in line with our capital needs, and it will be significantly lower than our 2025 numbers. And beyond that, there's no capital in this combined -- or no equity in this combined plan.

Operator

Operator
#16

Our next question comes from Julian Dumoulin-Smith with Jefferies.

Brian Russo

Analysts
#17

It's Brian Russo on for Julian. Just -- I know you discussed kind of the combined fundamental attributes of the company and the accelerated EPS CAGR. But it is pretty fragmented up there in the Continental United States. And I'm just curious, what was kind of the thought process that actually brought the 2 companies together to ultimately agree on this merger as opposed to pursuing other options or opportunities.

Brian Bird

Executives
#18

Well, I think, Linn will certainly vouch for this one. There's been conversations on and off for decades amongst these companies. And I think we continue to see it's even more important today than it's been over the last 2 decades, importance of scale. All of you sell side guys write about importance of scale, and we're listening. So no, seriously, from our perspective, the opportunities to compete in this space are getting harder and harder, and it's going to be much, much easier for us as a larger organization to do that. The diversity is also extremely important for us to be more consistent from an earnings perspective. And as we talk to each other, we saw that there'd be an opportunity combining these 2 balance sheets and looking at our ability to how we finance our growth to do it in a way that neither one of us as a stand-alone companies could do today. It just became extremely obvious as we sat down and compared notes. This made total sense for us to move forward at this point in time.

Linden Evans

Executives
#19

Very well said, Brian. And I would add that if you look at it from the Black Hills perspective, these jurisdictions just overlay so nicely, not adding any new states from a Black Hills perspective, so we can continue on and be very aggressive with growth in that service territory.

Brian Russo

Analysts
#20

Okay. Great. And you mentioned some of the upside opportunities in terms of data centers or transmission, can you maybe elaborate on that? I suppose that means there could be upside to the 5% to 7% initial pro forma CAGR?

Brian Bird

Executives
#21

Yes. I think we've been impressed as we've seen -- we wish we had more service in Wyoming ourselves. We've been impressed with what Black Hills has been accomplished from a data center perspective and comparing notes. We have opportunities in Montana, and we both have opportunities in South Dakota. And so it just made sense as we looked at that, combining our 2 teams to take better opportunities. As you might expect, 2 smaller companies may not have the same resources to compete again from a data center perspective. And I see as we put these 2 teams together, we'll have more resources to do that and be more competitive. And plus as we talked about in the slide, we represent about 20% of the U.S. And so if you want to do business in our states, you're going to be talking to us. And so we think it's important on a combined basis to work together. And so I'm excited about getting our 2 teams together and how can we really capture data center opportunities even more than we have been thus far.

Linden Evans

Executives
#22

Yes. Very well said, Brian. And Brian, to answer your question, I think you specifically mentioned transmission. We've had our engineers talking to each other for very specific projects about how we could advantageously connect our systems. Well, now this makes it very compelling that we would connect our systems for purposes of reliability, for purposes of controlling costs for customers and being more resilient organization. So we see a lot of upside from that potential.

Operator

Operator
#23

Our next question comes from Chris Ellinghaus with Siebert Williams Shank.

Christopher Ellinghaus

Analysts
#24

I just want to understand or maybe clarification here. You both sort of have had a stand-alone this upside opportunity. Did any of that get into your long-term growth rate? Or are you basically both where you were stand-alone with that level of upside?

Brian Bird

Executives
#25

No, I think the interesting thing we've done is we've looked at our existing plans. And when we put those together and looked at financing some other ways to think about our business, we were able to achieve 5% to 7%. The exciting thing is to solidify that, be more consistent and, hopefully be, if you will, on the higher end of that. There are future opportunities that we were talking about. Linn mentioned one on transmission, we shared notes, of course, on data centers. And so we're excited about the opportunities.

Linden Evans

Executives
#26

Now that we've announced, Chris, we can put our teams together to really get into the detail about how we can -- at the appropriate time, we have to be very careful about being compliant with non-compete and things of that nature, but we'll be cautious. But at the same time, there's going to be some opportunity that we can uncover that we haven't discussed yet.

Christopher Ellinghaus

Analysts
#27

Do you think in terms of the large customer load upside that the merger is also accretive in the sense that you have better negotiating power combined?

Brian Bird

Executives
#28

Yes. I think, as you might expect us versus our other peers and just from a supplier perspective across all of our necessary procurement opportunities, we're going to expect more leverage, if you will, from that perspective. So I think it's again a combination of being able to have more resources to look at tackling these problems but certainly having more leverage and better negotiating power.

Linden Evans

Executives
#29

My response will be Amen, well-said.

Christopher Ellinghaus

Analysts
#30

Does the combined entity sort of alter at all your thought process on where to locate future generation resources?

Linden Evans

Executives
#31

It certainly would open up more opportunities to think about that. Yes, where and why, based on customer load, customer growth, transmission resources, things of that nature?

Brian Bird

Executives
#32

I think Linn's point to on transmission earlier, that it's called the Path 80 corridor. Obviously, I think Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, ability to move power through that corridor through our today, disparate service territories, but now on a combined basis, it gives us more flexibility.

Linden Evans

Executives
#33

Last week, we announced the new 99-megawatt generation facility here in Rapid City, Western South Dakota appreciates generation. Wyoming appreciates generation. We have all these states who I think will be great places for us to add generation that's cost-effective and, again, makes us more reliable as a combined organization.

Christopher Ellinghaus

Analysts
#34

Okay. Maybe one more. Maybe this is the big enchilada. What kind of confidence or what's your thought process on the Montana approval process? I've always thought that would be the most difficult in terms of any kind of M&A., so what's your thinking today on that?

Brian Bird

Executives
#35

Yes. I think with any merger, there's going to be efficiencies, optimization of our business, ultimately, these benefits accrue to customers over time, and we believe that, that will be a compelling information, and I think it would be difficult for commissions to turn down the benefits to customers. So I think from a success standpoint, that information should overwhelm a commission.

Linden Evans

Executives
#36

Yes, the long-term benefit to customers has to be compelling and it is.

Operator

Operator
#37

Our next question comes from Paul Cole with Bank of America.

Francis Cole

Analysts
#38

If possible, I'd like to sort of follow up a little on Chris' question, but also just on the comments you made regarding the EPS accretion in year 1 and, obviously, the improved long-term growth rate. And you identified, obviously, the less equity, the lower cost and the growth opportunities. Maybe if you could dig a little more into that cost optimization and that the expectations around that the sort of the dependency on the accretion commentary to achieving those savings and keeping those savings.

Crystal Lail

Executives
#39

Sure, Paul. I'll take a stab at it first here and then others will pile on. But the path from -- as we've talked about in quite a few of the questions of our base stand-alone plans together move from 4% to 6% to 5% to 7%. And then we retain this ability to go after what we believe is the opportunity for both of us and capture those. On the base plan perspective, it's a couple of things. It's where you're going towards synergies. And I think there's kind of standard rules of thumb about transactions together and what you can achieve together in optimizing what you do on supply chain procurement, all of those. That's certainly a component of it. We mentioned our balance sheet combining those and the ability to optimize the financing plan and take out some equity over time to drive that, so it's a combination of those things that will allow us to go from 4% to 6% to 5% to 7%, and I would add again because I can't help myself and having been inconsistent, getting to consistent earnings, which we know from an investor perspective is important to you guys. So those things together are the important fundamentals we believe in putting our plans together and working on that to get to what we think is a compelling 5% to 7% growth rate. And then on top of that, the ability then to go after the things that we both have had as incremental opportunities to our plan, we think that's what gets it there. But you would see kind of standard the ability and Brian also alluded to with Chris' question of why should a commission approve this. The economies of scale of 2 entities being together, there's certainly going to be over time cost savings that endure themselves to customers, and we think that's pretty compelling, but it also is a key part to being accretive to both sets of shareholders in the first year.

Linden Evans

Executives
#40

Paul, this is Linn. It's very, very well said by Crystal and I echo what she just said. And I'd also suggest that this is a strategic merger, and that's compelling in and of itself versus other models where you combine and gain scale. So I think that's going to provide us a great advantage.

Francis Cole

Analysts
#41

If I can just come back briefly to the dividend policy commentary that you made. Obviously, there is a difference in the absolute dividend between both companies going in. Can you just sort of elaborate a little further on your expectation for the absolute level of the dividend going forward for the combined entity?

Crystal Lail

Executives
#42

Sure. I'll take that one, too. There is a bit of a difference in dividend policy. And one of the things that we'll have to work on once we get to a little bit closer to closing and forward is what that financial plan and policy looks like going forward, but we're absolutely committed to an appropriate dividend return. And as we said, from a total shareholder return, hopefully providing more in the price accretion side with an appropriate dividend policy that allows us to go after the capital that we have in front of us. So no final decisions on what that dividend policy might look like. And once we get closer to closing, we'll talk about the financial policy combined.

Francis Cole

Analysts
#43

Perfect. And just my last question is around Arkansas. Can you give us a little color on sort of the factors influencing whether or not you're going to need to file for an approval in that jurisdiction?

Linden Evans

Executives
#44

Yes, the interpretation of a statute that we need to be more -- spend more time with actually probably visit with that commission closely, talk to them. It's our opinion that we do not need to go to Arkansas for approval. That's our current conclusion. But it's not crystal clear, and we want to make sure it is before we make the final decision on Arkansas.

Operator

Operator
#45

Our next question comes from Sophie Karp with KBCM.

Sophie Karp

Analysts
#46

Congrats on the deal, terrific news. A couple of questions for me. For those of us not intimately familiar with Black Hills, right? I know that NorthWestern's team has spent all the time building our generation capabilities in Montana and more importantly, capacity, right? What is the profile of the combined entity going to be in terms of generation and capacity across its territories? And what are the synergies that you're seeing there, if any?

Marne Jones

Executives
#47

Sophie, this is Marne. So yes, there has been a lot of generation buildout. And as Linn just mentioned, we are currently building out here in Rapid City. Both entities do their long-term resource planning to meet their capacity needs. Right now, with our peak about 2.4, and we've got generation capacity of about 2.9, we've got a very diverse mix between hydro, we've got solar, we've got wind as well as your typical fossil. So I think we've got a really diverse mix, continuing to see opportunities from a combined perspective to look at how do you -- do you have opportunities to build generation in areas where you can get it to both locations or multiple locations. And so much to be done as far as what that buildout looks like. But what we know today is that we're in a good place from a capacity perspective with a good diverse mix.

Linden Evans

Executives
#48

NorthWestern brings -- sorry, Sophie to interrupt you. NorthWestern brings a lot of skill sets to this combination. I think one of the skill set of Black Hills can bring to this combination is a team that knows how to permit, build and operate generation. And so I think together, we're going to do really, really well when it comes to generation capacity and having the opportunity to add that.

Brian Bird

Executives
#49

I would just add, I think, the great opportunity here is we're seeing a lot of growth opportunities. So in essence, having some excess capacity certainly helps. But longer term, I see there's going to be generation build opportunities in all the jurisdictions that we have electric businesses today. And I think from the gas business perspective to support generation build-out is certainly going to help our gas businesses. So that's a great opportunity. And I think over time, certainly modernizing our fleet, that's 5, 10 years out. But I -- certainly, over the next decade, I see a fantastic amount of opportunity to invest in the generation space.

Sophie Karp

Analysts
#50

I was going to kind of follow up on that question. Is there any change with your -- in terms of your coal strip strategy after the merger?

Brian Bird

Executives
#51

No.

Sophie Karp

Analysts
#52

Okay. And that's clear. And then one other question for me was, after the merger, I guess, clearly, a lot of territories, will you be taking a look at some point that the combined entity to maybe see if any of those territories are like less core? And would be spun out from the combined entity? Or do you think like all of them are core territories?

Linden Evans

Executives
#53

Our perspective, from the Black Hills perspective, at least, that we're always looking at our portfolio. We're always thinking about shareholder value and how we serve our customers effectively. I think that's the best way to respond to that, Sophie.

Operator

Operator
#54

Our next question is from Nicholas Campanella with Barclays.

Nicholas Campanella

Analysts
#55

Just 1 -- 2 follow-ups for me. I'm sorry if I missed it in the remarks. Just the base year that you're saying this is EPS accretive, what is kind of the base year of the new plan, is it '26 or '27?

Crystal Lail

Executives
#56

Nick, I know you're working your model over there, but we'll determine base year once we get to closing here and have more visibility as to when that occurs.

Nicholas Campanella

Analysts
#57

Okay. No problem. And then just 5% to 7% EPS growth, just simplistically, where do you see combined rate base growth?

Crystal Lail

Executives
#58

From an overall rate base growth perspective, I know that Black Hills hasn't traditionally given that number. Obviously, we've been kind of flat 4% to 6% rate base growth CAGR on top of 4% to 6% earnings growth. I would -- it's been impressive to understand Black Hills' capital-light strategy and what they've been able to achieve from an earnings perspective there. So I would tell you it will be in the range of the EPS growth.

Nicholas Campanella

Analysts
#59

Okay. And then just one more, if I could. Just -- are there any cost savings embedded in that number when you're talking about it on the 5% to 7% -- the combined 5% to 7% EPS outlook?

Crystal Lail

Executives
#60

Yes. I would tell you there's some and they're very light is what I would say, but there is some assumed efficiencies within that number.

Operator

Operator
#61

[Operator Instructions] And our next question comes from Aidan Kelly with JPMorgan.

Aidan Kelly

Analysts
#62

Just a quick question going back to the prepared remarks. I believe you kind of mentioned the conversations have kind of spanned maybe past decades. Just curious kind of summing up everything we've addressed in the Q&A. Maybe outline why the timing on this today versus the past, maybe curious on how they've come evolved over the years?

Brian Bird

Executives
#63

Yes, I'll take that. I'm sure Linn has thoughts on this, too. I think there's usually what happens over time from both parties, you could have different CEOs. You could have different things that have happened. From our perspective, it's just what's happening in the utility space today and this expectation of significant growth, something we haven't seen in the last 2 decades and the necessity to be able to capture that. Scale is going to be extremely important for us to do that. And from our perspective and, again, we've talked over the years, as you might expect, being neighbors. And just it seemed like the right time from our perspective, and once we sat down and started chatting about the opportunities, it became crystal clear that it was the right time.

Linden Evans

Executives
#64

Yes, it's very challenging to add to that. I would say that adding these 2 balance sheets in this way, in this format, in this strategic manner of the merger and the combination, it's compelling for us to be able to get -- capture our -- more than our fair share of growth in that large service territory that we have. So we feel now is compelling, especially as there's more focus on customer costs and affordability than ever before. This is going to help both of these organizations do a much better job of serving customers.

Aidan Kelly

Analysts
#65

Understood. And then just one last question from my end. How much of a challenge it could it be to like pursue new generation build approvals while we're kind of in the process of getting a merger approval there? Is there any considerations worth calling out on that end?

Brian Bird

Executives
#66

I'll speak from NorthWestern's behalf. In terms of new build during this time period, we don't have anything in Montana from a new build perspective, that's a concern. We just, I guess, announced here recently, South Dakota, we plan to do incremental new build. But I think South Dakota Commission will understand that. I believe they can handle that from a parallel perspective, so I don't see any issues with that.

Linden Evans

Executives
#67

Aidan -- oh, please, Marne, go ahead.

Marne Jones

Executives
#68

I'll just add from a Black Hills perspective. As I mentioned, we do our long-term resource plan to determine build needs. But as we see additional opportunities, whether it's to serve some of the growing loads through data centers, et cetera. I expect fully it's business as usual in our ability to run our business as we need to today. And certainly just provides future opportunity as we come together to look at these builds even broader, but certainly do not see issues in moving forward on the projects that we have as well as adding to what we need to meet our customers' needs in the meantime.

Linden Evans

Executives
#69

That's also been our experience with other M&A activity over the years, normal routine things such as generation approvals, rate reviews, those go on just like we had planned before and tend to be very successful.

Operator

Operator
#70

I'm showing no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the call back over to management for any further remarks.

Brian Bird

Executives
#71

Well, thank you. I thought Linn did a fantastic job opening this morning. And I think you can sense just -- we've been working extremely well together this process that, as he pointed out, culture is very much aligned, certainly knowledge of one another over the years, and just a true excitement. The benefit we can see obviously from a shareholder perspective, obviously, from a customer perspective. But certainly, from an employee perspective too, being part of a bigger organization where we can help grow this business more than we could on a stand-alone basis is extremely important for all of us. And there's a tremendous amount of excitement to make this happen.

Linden Evans

Executives
#72

I completely echo Brian's comment. This is a compelling transaction, very meaningful to all of our stakeholders. We thank you for participating today with us. We thank you for the partnership we have with you, and we value it greatly. And we typically end our calls with saying, to have a Black Hills Energy Safe day, I want to say have a Black Hills Energy Safe Day and a NorthWestern Energy Safe Day, and thanks for joining us.

Brian Bird

Executives
#73

Thank you.

Operator

Operator
#74

Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect. Everyone, have a great day.

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