Nufarm Limited (NUF) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

September 23, 2020

Australian Securities Exchange AU Materials Chemicals earnings 81 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Nufarm Annual Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I'd now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, to Mr. Greg Hunt. Thank you. Please go ahead.

Gregory Hunt

executive
#2

Thank you, Kevin. Good morning, everyone. Welcome, and thank you for joining us today. This is the second set of results that we've delivered since the tragedy and, I guess, the disruption from COVID began. It's hard to believe that 6 months has passed us by, and I certainly hope that you're all healthy and like us, coping with the daily disruption to your lives. Before we start today's presentation, I'd just like to draw your attention to the disclaimer, particularly the section on forward-looking statements. Today, we really want to cover 3 topics that are fundamental to Nufarm's value and our path to improved returns. Firstly, Paul Binfield and I will provide an overview of the financial performance for 2020 and the steps that we've taken to refocus the portfolio, strengthen the balance sheet and drive value from our operations. Our Regional General Manager for Europe, Hildo Brilleman, is joining us, and he will take us through the European results for financial year '20, but importantly, the performance improvement program that he is leading for the European region. And Brent Zacharias, who many of you would know, is our group executive for Nuseed, and he'll provide an update on the transformational growth opportunities within our seeds portfolio. And we'll finish up with the outlook and priorities for 2021 before taking any questions that you may have. Before I turn to the results, I want to start with our safety performance and some comments on the impacts of COVID for Nufarm. Safety is our most important priority, and I'm pleased to announce that we achieved Nufarm's best ever safety performance in 2020. This hasn't come by chance or by good luck. It takes the combined effort and the focus of the entire organization to improve safety outcomes. Our challenge now is to lock in the improvements and maintain the vigilance that keep safety top of mind for every employee, and that will continue to be our #1 priority. Our record safety performance was achieved in the context of the global pandemic. And in relation to COVID, we are very fortunate that the agricultural industry is considered essential by governments in the markets in which we operate. Crop protection products are an essential input into the food value chain, and demand for our products has continued to be driven primarily by seasonal conditions. The impact of COVID-19 for Nufarm has mostly been limited to the turf and ornamental market in North America and the horticulture and ornamental markets in Europe. Our manufacturing and supply chain teams have done a tremendous job to continue to supply our customers across the globe. All of our manufacturing sites have remained open. And although we have had some interruptions to raw material supply and some logistics delays, there has been no material financial impact from supply chains caused by COVID-19. The extra costs that we've incurred in manufacturing and logistics to maintain supply and ensure the safety of our people have largely been offset by reductions in discretionary spending, and the major impact on our financial performance is related to foreign exchange losses, which Paul will speak to later. Turning to commercial performance. 2020 certainly wasn't the year anyone would have planned. Whilst we have been relatively resilient in the face of the pandemic, headwinds from droughts and floods and industry-wide supply chain issues impacted performance, particularly in the first half. We reported a loss of $456 million for the year, this includes $389 million of material items post tax, including the impact of the sale of the South American business and the impairment to the European assets that we announced earlier this month. When we look at the underlying performance of our continuing businesses, EBITDA was down 21% to $236 million, and this was primarily driven by a decline in European earnings and reduced earnings in North America in the first half as it recovered from last year's floods. Whilst it's a disappointing result, we have seen improved momentum in the second half, and I'll speak more to that shortly. Improving cash generation is a major focus, and we made good progress on this front. Underlying cash from operating activities was up $137 million on the prior year with better control of working capital more than offsetting the decline in earnings. The sale of our South American business in April of 2020 was a very significant milestone. It delivered upfront value for shareholders and has reshaped our portfolio. Our continuing businesses are now focused in the regions and businesses where we believe that we can drive higher margins and better cash flow. The divestment also transformed our balance sheet. We've reduced net debt by more than $800 million, and our leverage has reduced from 3x to 1.9x or 1.5x, excluding the AASB 16 adjustment. This provides us with the financial strength to manage the inherent volatility in our industry. From an operational perspective, our Australian, our North American and our Asian businesses returned to growth in the second half of the year. Our major focus now is driving value from the investments that we've made in Europe. We've had another difficult year in this region with very poor seasonal conditions and elevated raw material costs impacting margins. However, we believe that Europe has reached an earnings trough, and we can deliver a significant turnaround in performance in the coming year. The improvement program that we launched in Australia in 2019 has been expanded to Europe and the rest of the company. We are targeting $35 million to $40 million in benefits from this program over the next 2 years. Just under half of this is expected to come from the changes to our manufacturing footprint that we've already announced. The balance comes from an additional $10 million to $15 million that we are targeting in Europe. And a combined $10 million from our corporate and North American operations. The program kicked off earlier this year and the changes that we've made to our functional structures and our discretionary costs have achieved a run rate benefit of approximately $5 million coming into the financial year -- financial -- '21 financial year in Europe and another $5 million in corporate and North America. We also made excellent progress in our Nuseed business. The first commercial sales of omega-3 canola oil were made in September this year. This is a very significant milestone and marks a shift into the next phase of commercial development as we ramp up production and sales. Nuseed also acquired a new technology platform, carinata, during the year, and Brent will talk to this later in his presentation. I mentioned earlier the positive earnings momentum in the second half of the year, you can see this here on Slide 7, which shows the improvement by region, and it also demonstrates the resilience of the business to COVID-19 over the past 6 months. In Australia, drought-breaking rains on the East Coast in late January and good follow-up rain generated strong demand in the second half, and we delivered underlying EBITDA growth of 125% on the prior year. Our business in Asia also recovered from poor seasonal conditions in the first half and also contributed to second half growth. In North America, a return to more normal seasonal conditions increased crop plantings in the second half, generating increased demand and more than offsetting the impact of lower demand in the turf and ornamental segment due to COVID-19 restrictions. EBITDA for the European business declined significantly in the second half, with very weak demand in the final quarter. We have continued to be impacted by higher raw material costs in this business. However, one pleasing aspect of the second half result was a reduction in the SG&A cost that we can control. And Hildo will elaborate on this again in his presentation. The Seed Technologies segment had a mixed second half. Revenues were up with increased Nuseed sales. However, the earnings were down due to a bad debt and increased commercialization costs for omega-3 and carinata, and Brent will speak to that in a minute. Before I hand over to Paul to discuss the financial details, I want to take this opportunity to acknowledge that after 9 years as CFO for Nufarm, Paul has advised us that he is leaving to pursue new opportunities. He's not escaping just yet because he's got another set of accounts to prepare for our next financial year, which ends in about a week's time. And he'll stay on with us beyond that until the end of the calendar year. However, I'd like to take a moment to pay tribute to Paul's contribution to Nufarm. He has been an integral part of our leadership team through a period of significant change. He has played a pivotal role in many of the projects and events that have and continue to shape our company. Paul has shouldered a tremendous workload with proficiency, agility and always with a touch of good humor. He embodies our Nufarm values and has been instrumental in helping to shape our culture. He's also been a colleague and a friend, and he will be missed. I know you all join me in wishing Paul all the very best for his future. Paul?

Paul Binfield

executive
#3

Thank you, Greg. This is a complex set of financial statements due to the divestment of the South American businesses and FY '20 being the first full year of adopting the new lease accounting standard AASB 16. We focused our content today on the continuing business and, where material, we will highlight the impact of the new leasing standard. I should also draw your attention, too, to the fact that we have made sales of about $85 million at 0 margin to Sumitomo in Latin America under a transitional supply agreement. Where appropriate we've excluded these -- excluded the impact of these sales in our commentary in our figures. With the change in our year ended September 30, we've also provided information in the appendices of the presentation restating prior year figures to reflect the 30 September period. As Greg outlined was -- FY '20 was a disappointing year in terms of our results. We end this financial year in far better shape than when we started it. The balance sheet is much stronger, thanks to the proceeds from the sale of the South American businesses. Furthermore, better cash flow from improvements in working capital management have also strengthened the balance sheet. Momentum in the business in the second half was good across most regions and has continued since year-end. We're already starting to see early benefits from the performance improvement program, and we continue to meet the all-important milestones in omega-3. In constant currency, and excluding the 0 margin sales for Sumitomo, revenue was down 0.5%, reflecting a weak first half in Australia and North America and also trading -- digital trading conditions in Europe. Underlying EBITDA was $236 million. The gross profit percentage was down about 130 basis points, reflecting margin pressure in North America, but particularly Europe. And Hildo will take you through the drivers of this later in the presentation. Expenses were adversely impacted by the weak Australian dollar. They were largely well controlled in North America, ANZ and Asia. In Seed Technologies, expenses were higher as we brought capability to fully commercialize omega-3 and we took on board carinata for the last 8 months of the year. European cost increases include a full year of additional supply chain costs incurred in transitioning the acquired portfolios. The increase in depreciation and amortization of $165 million in the prior year to $201 million in FY '20 is largely the impact of the AASB 16 adjustment, recognizing additional depreciation on right-of-use assets of $24 million. The balance relates to amortization on recently launched products. Financing costs, comprising net external financing, net foreign exchange gains and losses and lease amortization increased $32 million. Net external financing costs reduced by $2 million to $65 million. Foreign exchange losses increased $28 million to a loss of $24 million for the year, due primarily to pandemic-related exchange rate volatility, particularly in that March, April period. Finance charges on leases increased $6 million due to adoption of AASB 16. The tax expense was adversely impacted by the nonrecognition of tax benefits on trading losses. These tax losses remain available for use in future periods, they're simply not recognized on the balance sheet. And the dividend remains suspended. So turning to specifically to material items. Material items totaled $389 million post tax. We took a noncash impairment of intangible assets in the European business of $180 million after tax to recognize a moderated outlook of future earnings based largely on an expectation of continuing margin pressure from the base product portfolio. The profit on the disposal of the South American businesses, less the tax expenses and transaction costs, resulted in a net after-tax loss of $116 million. Partially offsetting this is a recognition of a tax asset in Brazil of $9 million in January 2020. We've booked a charge for asset rationalization costs relating to the announced closure of manufacturing facilities in Australia and Austria, each for about $20 million, and the balance being restructuring costs relating to the implementation of a comprehensive performance improvement program. Net tax assets of $33 million are being derecognized and booked as a material item. Whilst FY '20 has been a very challenging year for Nufarm, 2 important highlights in the year have been improved cash flow generation which, in turn, has contributed to a stronger balance sheet. Nufarm operates in a working capital-intense industry and, hence, active and successful management of net working capital is a very important element in being able to deliver acceptable returns to shareholders. The unprecedented weather events in Australia and the U.S. over the last couple of years have placed greater pressure on our working capital management processes. However, in the second half of FY '20, we saw very encouraging signs that the focus on our working capital management processes are starting to bear fruit. Net working capital at 31 July, which is the trough in our cycle, was $143 million lower than the prior year. And average net working capital over sales of 46% trending towards our target range of 35% to 40%. Even hitting the top of our target range results in a further release of cash from the balance sheet of over $150 million. The improved net working capital management has flowed through to stronger cash flow from underlying cash flows from operations, improving on the prior year by $137 million. Capital expenditure has also been well managed in the period and underlying cash flows and net investing activities is down $5 million on the prior year. The major investment in FY '20 was the majority of the spend on our new Greenville plant that we commissioned in September 2019. We expect capital expenditure for FY '21 to be approximately $180 million. The major new projects for the coming year include some modest CapEx at our plants in Wyke in the U.K. to expand and further fortress out position in important profitable phenoxy herbicides that are developed and manufactured there. We will also incur further development spend on our omega-3 canola oil as we develop the product for entry into segments outside of agriculture. So turning to the balance sheet. Our financial position has been significantly strengthened following the divestment of the South American businesses. Net proceeds from the sale were applied to reduce debt. Leverage at year-end was 1.9x, within the target leverage range of 1.5 to 2x core net debt to EBITDA. We define core net debt as net debt at the trough of the working capital cycle, that typically occurs in July or August, and including a AASB 16 adjustment for lease liabilities as well. This target range enables us to better manage inherent volatility in our industry. The company has excellent liquidity also with undrawn facilities at year-end of $648 million, plus scope to further utilize working capital facilities. Cash on the balance sheet totaled $687 million. This places the business in a very robust position going forward. I'll hand you back to Greg, who will provide you some further color on the performance in the regions.

Gregory Hunt

executive
#4

Yes. Thanks, Paul. Look, as I said earlier, I was very pleased with the positive momentum that we've generated in most regions in the second half of the year as headwinds eased. And I think the best example here is Australia, where it really was a story of 2 halves. Calendar year 2019 was the hottest and driest on record in Australia and sales into the 2020 summer season were very low. In late January, we received drought-breaking rains, which stimulated very strong demand on the East Coast, and our manufacturing plants basically shifted gear from being idle to full capacity. This provided strong momentum to second half earnings with, as I said earlier, underlying EBITDA up 125% on prior year. In addition, we estimate that around $10 million of the full year earnings improvement came from the performance improvement program that we started last year. The program has improved our cost base through a mix of SG&A and supply chain improvements, and it really does provide us with a more competitive position. The next phase for the Australian business will be the closure of the insecticide and fungicide manufacturing facility that we have here in Laverton. This will provide us with supply chain benefits of around $5 million per annum from the end of calendar year 2021. We also achieved a very significant reduction in working capital as a result of the strong demand and we will be looking to retain these improvements. From a weather perspective, the early indications suggest an improved outlook for the summer season 2021. It is still, however, early days. And we are -- but however, we're in a much better position than we were at this time last year. A number of product launches planned in financial year '21 will further support earnings growth. These launches include a new insecticide and a new preplant herbicide that has promising activity to combat growing ryegrass resistance, which is a real issue here in Australia. Turning to Asia, which has had another very good year despite the impact of the Indonesian drought in the first half. EBITDA is up 13% on the prior year, driven by stronger margins from a change in geographic and product mix and continued cost control. Asia has been a steady contributor to earnings for a long period of time now. And from the 1st of October, we will be combining it with our Australia and New Zealand business to create a new Asia Pacific region. By combining these businesses, we will be able to pursue further efficiencies across our manufacturing and supply chain assets and create opportunities to leverage our portfolio more effectively. In North America, we had a difficult first half. However, we clawed back some of that gap in the second half with stronger sales into the crop segment, particularly in Canada, more than offsetting the impact of COVID-19 on the turf and ornamentals segment. We have positive underlying momentum in this business. We will have a full year benefit of our Greenville facility in financial year '21. This was commissioned last September, and it provides us with logistics benefits and it allows us to respond more quickly to surge demand. And this investment builds on the investments that we made in the new insecticide and fungicide facility in Alsip and the significant upgrades at Chicago Heights that we've made in recent years. We now have a streamlined, modern and efficient manufacturing footprint in North America from which to service our customers. And again, we have an expanded portfolio for financial year '21 with a number of product launches in the U.S. and Canada to build on the new gold distribution agreement that also kicks off in financial year '21. Turning to Europe. The last couple of years has presented challenges. However, this is a valuable business with a quality portfolio, and we expect to see a strong earnings rebound as headwinds ease and we strengthen our supply chain and reduce our cost base. I'm going to hand over now to Hildo Brilleman. Hildo joined Nufarm in October of last year, and he was appointed to the role of Regional General Manager on the 1st of January this year. Hildo has more than 20 years of experience in the industry, and he is bringing that experience with a fresh set of eyes and new energy to our European business. He will take you through his thoughts on the Nufarm business in Europe and how we see the earnings rebound unfolding. Over to you, Hildo.

Hildo Brilleman;Regional General Manager

executive
#5

Thanks, Greg, and thanks for the introduction. And thanks to those joining on the call today. I would like to start today by sharing some of my first impressions on joining Nufarm and the road map for the European business. As said, Nufarm has a strong and valuable business in Europe with well-established customer base. The business has been built around a strong phenoxy, PGR, plant growth regulators, and copper fungicide portfolio. This is traditional chemistry but still in strong demand. And Nufarm has a double-digit market share in each of these market segments. And the acquisitions in 2018 expanded and diversified our portfolio, and the bulk of earnings in the current year were actually generated from these portfolios. And these are good products, strong products that the customers want to buy. They are well aligned to the crops Nufarm is targeting in Europe. And I mentioned cereals, oilseed rape pastures and also the combination of trees, nuts, vines and vegetables and we call those the TNVV crops. The registrations are also weighted into the countries where Nufarm has a strong presence. Germany, France, Spain, the U.K. and Poland. There has also been significant investment in people, processes and systems with a new pan-European ERP system for the first time connects the entire European business. So we already have a good base, and the next steps on the road map for Europe is to improve the competitiveness of the supply chain and our cost base. And this is the work that is now underway. Before we go through the detail of the road map, I want to talk through the drivers of the fiscal year '20 results. And to provide some for that, I've included the map that shows the seasonal conditions for the main growing season in Europe in 2020. And I'm sure that you know this kind of drought map, as it is quite similar to what you have seen in Australia. However, I have to say that after 20 years in this industry, this has been one of the more difficult years I have known. Hot, dry conditions in Northern and Eastern Europe, all the way up to Romania and Ukraine have reduced demands for crop protection and Nufarm's revenue in 2020. And the sales are down by around 3% in Australian dollar and more in constant currency. Competitors have also seen this pressure, and this has resulted in a very competitive market environment again this year. The main countries impacted from a Nufarm perspective have been the U.K., Germany and France. We've held ground quite well in other markets, considering the conditions, including the impact of COVID-19, especially on horticulture and ornamental markets. Looking at the results on Slide 20. You can see the decline in revenues was in the second half. In particular, the fourth quarter was much lower as we scaled back our autumn sales campaign. This was driven by channel partner caution on building stocks and also partly due to a decision on our part to hold back sales to optimize margins. This is a shift in our approach from prior years. What we are trying to do is optimize margins and achieve an appropriate level of Nufarm inventory within the channel. So we can continue to stimulate sales closer to the end-user demand. On the next slide, I've provided an overview of the various drivers of the result. So starting with the largest movement first, volume and mix. This is largely due to the seasonal conditions we just discussed and the shift in sales for the autumn campaign. COVID-19 also had an impact and we would expect most of this demand to come back as we return to more normal conditions. I think it's important for me to stress here that I'm confident we have not lost market share in our key markets. And this is confirmed by second quarter industry black box data. Looking at the price driver of AUD 14 million, this reflects, to some extent, the competitive conditions due to the weaker demand. However, there's also an element that represents pricing pressure from generic products, so we believe a portion of this element is more systemic. And it is this pricing pressure in our base portfolio that has -- that was the catalyst for us to take an impairment of certain intangible assets. And Paul will comment on that later. On cost of goods sold, the impact of sustained higher raw material prices was around $12 million and another $5 million for increased conversion cost at our manufacturing facilities. And I'll speak to those factors later as we do see some easing in the coming 12 to 18 months. SG&A costs also increased, and this included some one-off costs and also a full year of supply costs to transition the acquired portfolios. On the positive side of the ledger, we increased sales of products from our manufacturing plants to other industry participants and we also expanded sales into nonagricultural markets. In total, it's a disappointing result. However, we believe fiscal year '20 is the earnings trough. We have a clear plan to address the issues that are within our control, and we see some early indications that the headwinds of fiscal year '20 may be easing. So turning to Slide 22 for the outlook for fiscal year '21 and why we are confident we will see this improvement. I'll start first with the 2 columns on the left-hand side that are under our control, and these relate back to the road map I addressed earlier. Firstly, building an efficient cost base. European business has undergone a significant transition in the past few years, and to my mind, that has contributed to an inefficient cost base and one-off costs. The acquisitions of the portfolios almost double the size of the European business. At the same time as the portfolios were being integrated, a new ERP system was introduced along with the new shared services center and new ways of working. This upheaval is at an end. We now have a clear opportunity to shape the organization to be close to our customers, to be agile and efficient. And there is significant scope to reduce our cost base as we go through this process. The improvement program in Europe kicked off at the start of this calendar year when I started as the Regional General Manager. I have to acknowledge that we were slowed somewhat by the onset of COVID-19 and the need to redirect resources to address the initial phases of the pandemic, but we have made good progress nonetheless. The program to date has focused primarily on our back office and a small part on our supply chain. More than 20 colleagues have left the business so far, and we have made other cuts to our discretionary spending to bring the run rate benefits of the program so far to around $5 million. We have many more opportunities to address, and the next phase of the program will expand further into supply chain improvement and logistics optimization. As said, we are targeting $15 million to $20 million run rate savings by the end of fiscal year '22, and I believe this is a realistic target. The next plank of the program is about improving the competitiveness of our supply chain and reducing conversion costs. We conducted a review of our manufacturing footprint earlier this year. That analysis has shown that while our MCPA synthesis and herbicide formulation operations remain competitive, gaps have emerged in the competitive position of our 2, 4-D synthesis and insecticide and fungicide formulation. And we have already announced that our 2, 4-D synthesis at Linz will close early in the next calendar year. And this will allow us to procure products at a cost that is much more competitive than our own operations. It will allow us to improve our market offer and increase margins on this important molecule. The estimated annual run rate benefit of this initiative is up to $10 million. And we are still working through options for other aspects of the manufacturing footprint, and there may be further opportunities to improve margins coming from this analysis. The third pillar is raw material costs. It has been our view for some time that raw material costs will decline as additional environmentally compliant capacity is brought online in China. However, this was delayed by the devastating explosion in the Jiangsu province in March last year. As the Chinese economy has reopened after the COVID-19 lockdown earlier this year, we're now finally seeing some improved product supply and lower pricing that suggest this capacity is finally reaching the market. And you can see from this price charts here for the active ingredients for tebuconazole and prochloraz that pricing for these products has improved significantly since March. It's very early to say that the headwinds are behind us. And of course, we do need to first utilize any higher cost inventory we have on hand before we would realize any benefit. But this does have the potential to improve margins significantly if it is a shift seen consistently across a broad range of our active ingredients. And the final element of the drivers for fiscal year '21 is weather. This one is obviously outside of our control. However, I think the bridge we provided earlier shows the significant impact this could have on our performance. I know my colleague in Australia, Peter O'Keeffe, had a very difficult 2 years and is now starting to see some of the benefits from the swinging conditions. And I can reassure you the team in Europe is looking forward to also enjoying that. So at this point, I'm going to hand over to Brent Zacharias, who will take you through the Seed Technologies segment. And -- but I'm staying on the call for the Q&A, and I will be very pleased to take any of your questions. Thank you. Brent?

Brent Zacharias

executive
#6

Thanks, Hildo. Nuseed has achieved a number of important milestones during the course of FY '20, in particular, in relation to our omega-3 canola and carinata platforms. The Seed Technologies segment result includes both the Nuseed business and the seed treatment business. Despite some significant headwinds, particularly in relation to drought impacts in Australia, segment revenues increased by 8% to $198.8 million. Gross margin also improved, reflecting higher sales of recently launched products in the seeds portfolios. While revenues and margin were higher, a combination of lower endpoint royalty payments on 2019 canola crops in Australia, higher investments in our growth platforms and a one-off bad debt write-down contributed to lower EBITDA and EBIT performance. The segment generated an EBITDA of $31.5 million compared to $38.5 million in financial year '19. Turning to the next slide. We are very pleased that Nuseed achieved sales growth in all regions and across all of its core crops. While overall canola contributions in Australia were down, a significant swing to Nuseed hybrids will result in strong royalties that fall due in this new financial year. In Latin America, period saw higher sales of sunflower, canola and sorghum with Nuseed now the leading sorghum supplier in Brazil. Following new product launches, Nuseed also grew market share and margins in the North American sorghum market and grew volumes and share in the sunflower segment. Importantly, first sales of Nuseed's hybrid canola were secured in the large Canadian market and in the United States. New products were also successfully launched from Nuseed's strong European sunflower pipeline, helping drive volume and share growth in that region. Moving to the next slide. I'm excited to share some updates of our Omega-3 program to date. Our Value Beyond Yield strategy focuses on building proprietary positions to deliver downstream benefits to customers and consumers. During financial year 2020, we made significant progress on key strategic objectives. In relation to our omega-3 canola platform, we collaborated with key aquaculture industry partners to complete commercial scale fish feeding trials involving more than 1.5 million salmon. These trials demonstrated key benefits of Nuseed's Aquaterra, omega-3 oil, including improved fish health, resulting in improved survivability and improved sustainability outcomes. Our initial commercial 2019 crop was successfully harvested and processed. Just prior to year-end, Health Canada and the Canadian Food Inspection Agency confirmed regulatory approvals for Nuseed omega-3 canola in relation to cultivation, use in aquafeed and livestock feed and for human consumption. Canada, by the way, is the world's largest producer of canola and a major producer of salmon. In September of 2020, we finalized the first commercial sales and forward orders of our proprietary omega-3 canola oil Aquaterra. This follows more than a decade of development and significant -- and marks the beginning of a new phase in the delivery of shareholder value from Nuseed's Value Beyond Yield growth platform. We are very pleased to have a broad set of leading global aquaculture companies engaged in commercial discussions and recognizing the benefits of Aquaterra in the areas of survivability and sustainability. Plans to scale production and expand sales of omega-3 canola are now advancing. The 2020 crop has been mostly harvested and is on track to double oil production for 2021 sales. Canadian regulatory approvals received in July 2020 are an important element supporting our future expansion. Branded as Nutriterra, omega-3 canola is also being developed for the human nutrition market and completed the patient testing phase of an important human clinical trial during the year. This is the first human clinical trial undertaken to assess the safety and efficacy parameters related to a plant-based source of omega-3. The analysis phase of the trial is now underway. Turning to carinata. Nuseed secured a second Value Beyond Yield technology platform last November with the acquisition of key assets relating to the carinata crop. Carinata is being developed as a feedstock for renewable fuels and high-protein non-GM meal for livestock feed. During financial year '20, a third-party certifier confirmed Nuseed's carinata cropping system and resulting oil as best-in-class for greenhouse gas reduction from an agricultural feedstock crop. This drives significant premiums for the carinata oil. We executed a multiyear offtake agreement with St. Paul, Europe's largest oilseed crusher and biodiesel producer and completed a first commercial sale and shipment of a crop from Argentina to Europe. Nuseed's proprietary carinata platform includes a closed-loop contracting system with growers with the commercial certainty attached to our St. Paul agreement, along with confirmed sales into downstream fuel brands, we have substantially expanded grower contracting for the 2020 crop. Before handing back to Greg, I'll just make a few other comments. Looking ahead, I am confident that we have crossed an important threshold that positions Nuseed for strong earnings and growth over coming years. In this current financial year, an improvement in seasonal conditions in Australia augurs well for improved canola harvest and plantings. We will also book endpoint royalties on strong financial year '20 sales of hybrid canola. With additional new products scheduled for launch across all regions, we expect to grow share in sunflower and sorghum in North and South America and in Europe. Financial year '21 is also expected to see a step-up in crop production and commercial activity and in related sales associated with both our omega-3 canola and our carinata Value Beyond Yield platforms. Having secured initial commercial arrangements in relation to both Aquaterra and carinata, FY '21 is expected to see positive EBITDA contributions from both of these programs. Beyond FY '21, a continued ramp-up in Aquaterra and carinata oil production will drive cost efficiencies and margin improvement with associate -- with both greater scale and better performing seed rise. Together with our exciting Nutriterra omega-3 opportunity in human nutrition and continued growth in seeds contribution, I believe we will see a progressive step change in value revenues and earnings from the Nuseed platform over the next 4 years. I'll now hand it back to Greg.

Gregory Hunt

executive
#7

Thank you. Thanks, Brent. So look, to summarize, although 2020 was a very difficult year. We have made good progress on a range of initiatives that have strengthened the business. And we believe that will improve returns. Our balance sheet is much stronger, and our portfolio has been refocused on regions with higher margins and stronger cash flows. After safety, our #1 priority in 2021 is improving returns to our European business. A turnaround in this region and the benefits from the broader performance improvement program can deliver a very meaningful lift to earnings in 2021. Our cash generation is improving. And as Paul outlined, there is opportunity to further improve. The Nuseed business continues to hit major milestones. And as Brent just took us through, the first commercial sale of omega-3 really does mark a shift into the next phase of commercialization, and we genuinely believe that this is a very valuable business, and we're excited about what it can deliver in the coming years. We ended the 2020 year with positive momentum and this has continued into August and September. And with that, I'll hand back to the operator to take your questions.

Operator

operator
#8

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Mr. Grant Saligari from Crédit Suisse.

Grant Saligari

analyst
#9

A couple of questions on Europe, if I could, please. One, I guess, I'd just be interested in your view on sustaining competitiveness senior phenoxy manufacturer over the longer term. And I guess maybe related to that, I'm just interested in where you think or how well you think your product portfolio is positioned as the European Green deal continues to develop because as you acknowledge yourself, you've got a very traditional chemistry SKU in Europe. So interested in views on both of those, please.

Gregory Hunt

executive
#10

Yes. Thanks, Grant. Look, I might take the first 1 and then Hildo can talk to the product portfolio and the potential impacts on farm default. So look, in relation to phenoxies. So we're really talking about our MCPA and specialty phenoxies business in Wyke. We are a global leader. And the production from that operation is globally competitive. We have planned to invest modest capital to debottleneck the production and reduce our operating costs in FY '21. But we believe that, that is a sustainable operation. Hildo, would you like to just make some comments in relation to the portfolio?

Hildo Brilleman;Regional General Manager

executive
#11

Yes. So looking at phenoxies MCPA and derived products. Yes, this is a chemistry that has been around for quite some time. With regard to the regulatory status of these products, they're actually pretty secure. And what is also good to mention is that with other products leaving the market, these products take a more prominent position in the wheat control program of our farmers especially when we look at wheat resistance. So the reason why we invest is to maintain that competitiveness but also to continue to grow that business.

Grant Saligari

analyst
#12

Which other products are leaving the market, Hildo?

Hildo Brilleman;Regional General Manager

executive
#13

On the herbicide, of course, you hear about the pressure on glyphosate. But yes, there is a wide range of products that going through NX1 renewal. And this is independent of the European Green deal. What deserves to be mentioned here is that this will create new opportunities as well as products leave the market but of course, there are some impacts on our business as well. But that has been planned for, and that has been taken into account moving forward.

Grant Saligari

analyst
#14

So I guess what I'm just trying to understand is whether you think you need further product development or to change the mix of your product range as Green Deal continues to develop because it seems to be only heading in 1 direction.

Hildo Brilleman;Regional General Manager

executive
#15

Yes. It's an interesting question. But if I look at 1 of the key development pipeline products that we have, it's actually combining Century and Surf chemistry with our phenoxy chemistry leading to a new differentiated mixture. And this is exactly the type of innovation that we can do now with this expanded product range. And our regulatory assessment is that, that product will be registered and actually can take more space in the market. So that relates to the phenoxy range.

Grant Saligari

analyst
#16

Okay. If I could just sneak in 1 quick extra question. Just on the expense side, I just noticed the R&D expense was probably the only expense line to decrease. So I'm just wondering whether there's any timing impact on R&D programs there or what the reason for that decline might be, please.

Paul Binfield

executive
#17

Yes, Grant, the R&D spend tends to be fairly lumpy in nature. Certainly, in terms of our R&D activity, it's fair to say that we're probably more focused in that space. And you can probably expect to see a step-up in R&D expenditure going through to '21. So once we have gone through difficult times, cash has been tight and very well controlled over the last couple of years, we absolutely have not wound back our R&D program. And what you see there simply is a phasing issue. So expect to see a step-up in terms of next year.

Grant Saligari

analyst
#18

And will you be able to mitigate that with other cost offsets in addition to the $35 million to $40 million? Or should we consider that as going to be sort of a partial offset to that $35 million to $40 million as it comes through?

Gregory Hunt

executive
#19

I think you should view that as being a bit of a partial offset because, as I say, we are focused on making sure that we have a nice pipeline of products coming through and continue to invest in that space. So there will be a step-up from what you see in terms of the current year expense. That will be a partial offset to the cost improvement program that we outlined.

Operator

operator
#20

The next telephone question is from Alex Karpos from Goldman Sachs.

Alex Karpos

analyst
#21

First, a quick one on my end. Can you just touch on channel inventories, maybe at the group level? And then any regions that stand out for being particularly full or particularly good set up into FY '21?

Gregory Hunt

executive
#22

Yes, Alex. So that's maybe the best way to handle that is if we just quickly go around the regions. In North America, as we reported at the half, there were higher channel inventories because of the carryover from the previous period. We're now seeing channel inventories in North America, certainly in relation to herbicides at more typical levels. Our intelligence is there is probably still some insecticides and fungicides at higher levels, but certainly from herbicides, a reduction, and we would be well positioned for any increase in demand in herbicides. Here in Australia, again, we've had a very strong sales program over the last 6 months, and that's continued into August or September. So certainly, when you consider the last 2 years, we're in a lot better position than we have been. And I think in Europe, and Hildo may want to comment more. I think he did touch on the fact that we do have some inventory in Europe because of the very low demand in the last quarter. So we're going to go into this period with higher inventories than we would like, but we are starting to see increased demand in Europe over the last couple of months. So apart from that, I think from an inventory point of view, we are positioned very well. Do you want to make any comments, Hildo, in relation to Europe?

Hildo Brilleman;Regional General Manager

executive
#23

No, I agree what you say. And yes, the channel inventories for cereal fungicides and PGRs is higher than normal. But we have good visibility on that, and we have taken that into account in our planning forward.

Alex Karpos

analyst
#24

Great. And onto, I guess, or the more COVID-impacted segments in terms of the U.S. turf and ornamental and European horticulture. Have you seen those start to rebound in recent months? Or are they still pretty depressed?

Gregory Hunt

executive
#25

So I think certainly strong growth here in Australia, good momentum in Europe. In North America, it's a little more subdued. And I think in the crop, the crop segments, we are starting to see some activity. But in the T&O segment, I would be cautiously optimistic. We're still seeing demand there a little -- certainly flatter than you would normally see at this time of the year.

Alex Karpos

analyst
#26

Got it. And 1 more quick one if I may. Sorry, go ahead.

Hildo Brilleman;Regional General Manager

executive
#27

No just to add on ornamentals in Europe, it is bouncing back. It took a 70% hit in the thick of the pandemic. But we see growers going back, planting new crops. And so the bounce back is fairly rapidly.

Alex Karpos

analyst
#28

And 1 more quick one, if I may. I appreciate the incremental color you have given on the European earnings bridge. Very helpful. But if I look into next year, you called out a $12 million raw material cost headwind in FY '20. If those raw material costs kind of stayed at spot, as in you outlined with the chart on Slide 22, I believe, would that $12 million completely reverse? Would it partially reverse? Like how do we think about the current pricing backdrop and, I guess, more number terms?

Gregory Hunt

executive
#29

Do you want to have a crack at that, Hildo?

Hildo Brilleman;Regional General Manager

executive
#30

Yes. So a number of factors at play here. Of course, we have some inventory that we have to work through. We see considerable AI decreases -- AI price decreases moving forward. So we see that benefit coming through in the second half of the next fiscal year. So I would say that with inventories that we have on hand, not all of those headwinds will be turned around, but we'll make good progress on that in the second half of fiscal year '21. And together with also our cost containments, a reduction program on conversion cost, we'll see benefits of an overall cost of goods sold reduction in the second half of next year.

Operator

operator
#31

The next telephone question is from Richard Johnson from Jefferies.

Richard Johnson

analyst
#32

Greg, can I just start with the manufacturing closures? And I was wondering if you could just run through the thinking and the strategy behind that again. And I'm thinking about that, particularly in light of the time or the long-dated nature of the program in the context of your comments about momentum in the business and demand seemingly improving in a lot of the key areas. And presumably, that's not making any difference to your decision, one can see that, but I'm just trying to really understand what the thinking is.

Gregory Hunt

executive
#33

So in terms of the long-dated, it really -- it centers around the registrations. When you close factories, you need to know that the alternative source -- that you have a registration. As an example, with the operation in Linz, we supply product from there into Brazil. And as part of the agreement that we have with Sumitomo, we will continue to supply product from that factory until the registrations for the alternative source are gained, and we would expect that to happen within the transition period. And here in Australia with the insecticides and fungicides operations, again, we will look to source some of that from China, some of that from the U.S. and some of that production from Malaysia, which is part of the reason that we're looking to create the Asia Pac region. So that all takes time.

Richard Johnson

analyst
#34

Got it. And then just returning to the previous question on price and raw materials in Europe. I mean is there a risk that as raw materials drop away, given the competitive backdrop that you're seeing, and presumably, that's not going to change a great deal, that actually that accelerates price declines? And therefore, removes any margin improvement you might otherwise get?

Gregory Hunt

executive
#35

Look, I think it's fair to say that it may be difficult to capture all of that margin. But frankly, prices have held up reasonably well. And if we look at the Century and Surf portfolio, we probably had sales this year of somewhere between $220 million to $230 million. So we know we're not at the levels that we hoped that we would be. But as those prices -- raw material prices come down, we'll probably -- because they come down for everybody, they're not just coming down for Nufarm. But I think that we'll capture as much of that benefit as we possibly can. It's difficult to say and probably unrealistic that we would capture 100% of it, but I would be disappointed if we couldn't capture 60% or 70% of that margin.

Richard Johnson

analyst
#36

Great. That's really helpful. And then just a couple of quick ones. One for Brent. I was wondering if you could just update us on where the fish oil price is and what his expectations are for that going forward.

Brent Zacharias

executive
#37

Yes. Thanks, Richard. Fish oil prices have actually held really quite constant. I think coming into the COVID pandemic, there was initially some question as to whether Peru is going to capture their whole quota. And we saw a little bit of movement in fish oil prices at that time, but they did go out and secure, I think, it was 95% of a very large quota this year. So it's been interesting in that. Despite that, there's actually quite a significant supply of fish oil in the market versus what people originally thought. The market prices have been holding quite steadily in that sort of $1,900, $2,000 a ton range for the Peruvian catch. So we've seen some interesting volatility of fish oil prices over the last 3 years, but I would say that it's showing that even with the COVID impact that fish oil pricings are staying relatively high and quite constant.

Richard Johnson

analyst
#38

Great. And I don't think I can let Paul get away with not answering questions. So just a couple of easy ones, presumably. I think I'm right in saying you took an onerous contract below the line. You might have talked about this before and if you have, I apologize. But I was wondering if you could give any details on that?

Paul Binfield

executive
#39

Yes, sure. The onerous contract provision relates to the supply of 2,4-D out of our phenoxy plant to Sumitomo LatAm off the back of the transitional supply room. It was tied up in that particular transaction. So essentially, what we have seen is that the China price -- or the price of 2,4-D out of China has basically fallen below at cost of production at Linz. As Greg mentioned, a number of those products have registrations tied to Nufarm-related manufacturing sites. There are no alternatives, and therefore, we basically now have an onerous contract in terms of -- we'll be supplying Sumitomo below our cost of goods.

Richard Johnson

analyst
#40

Okay. So that's just 0 margin going forward then?

Paul Binfield

executive
#41

Well, essentially, it's negative margin. But obviously, the release of the provision will zero out any loss.

Richard Johnson

analyst
#42

Got it. And then can you remind me what the royalty income that you used to book in Europe to Latin America was? I know it's not a huge number, but just out of interest.

Paul Binfield

executive
#43

Top of head, Richard, it was around that $4 million to $5 million mark, that sort of level. But obviously, again, that has disappeared, and that is, I guess, part of the, I guess, the stranded cost, one of a better term that we need to play out of the business post-LatAm.

Operator

operator
#44

Our next telephone question is from John Purtell from Macquarie.

John Purtell

analyst
#45

Paul, wish you all the best as well going forward. Just -- Paul, just to follow-on. I mean on the interest guidance that you've given for the year, just in terms of what are the major drivers within that, I think it's fair to say it's a bit higher than that was expected given the de-gearing post-Latin American sale?

Paul Binfield

executive
#46

Yes, sure, John. So that's true, a chunk of that interest is coming off the high-yield bonds, which obviously is USD denominated. So if the interest -- if exchange rates remain at their current level, and we'll see some reduction in that going forward. I think the other real plus, too, that we've seen -- and again, the figures that we've given you are basically pretty much pulling off our budget. So the other real benefit that we've seen from budgeting times is average net working capital has come in and substantially better in the fourth quarter. So again, that's obviously a key driver in terms of net debt. So again, there's a chance that we can possibly beat that interest targets we put out now along those lines as well.

John Purtell

analyst
#47

But in terms of, Paul, the aspects as to why the number is not lower. Yes, I think there was obviously -- there are -- there is much lower debt. So I would have thought that, that would have had a bigger flow through to the interest line.

Paul Binfield

executive
#48

Yes, there is lower debt. I guess what we were seeing during the year, though, John, was working capital was sort of staying sort of stubbornly high in certain regions. We -- obviously, that's feeding straight through to net debt. And what we have seen in the last quarter, the substantial improvement in that. And therefore, the net debt coming down quite materially. So what I'm saying is that if we can actually continue that positive trend, my expectation would be to see the actual interest that we can deliver in Q1 is below that target that we put out there.

John Purtell

analyst
#49

Okay. And just a broader question for Greg and Hildo, again, sort of focused on Europe. I mean we've spoken a fair bit on phenoxies. But just in terms of the outlook for fungicide and insecticide, how you see that? And what are the competitive pressures that are out there? I mean are they much more manifest for phenoxies and less so for fungicide and insecticide?

Gregory Hunt

executive
#50

I think, John, there certainly continues to be pricing pressure in the commodity products. And the acquired portfolio is more protected from that pressure. And it does provide us, as Hildo was saying before, to improve the mix and to improve margins. Hildo, do you want to add anything more to that?

Hildo Brilleman;Regional General Manager

executive
#51

Yes. It's -- when you have single AI products, the competitive pressure also from generic entries. Where we have the differentiated mixtures, that's where you can retain more of the value. And the other thing I want to mention is with asset benefit coming from the Century and Surf portfolio, we have a real gem in our hands because there are lots of competitive exits. And acetamiprid has been able to fill part of that gap and on the back of label and geographical expansion for that product where we continue to grow the margin from that insecticide.

John Purtell

analyst
#52

And just the last one continuing on. I mean can you talk sort of broadly about any sort of new material product registrations coming through? And because in the past, we've spoken a lot about sort of pipeline. And then presumably, they're going to be more focused on that fungicide and insecticide?

Gregory Hunt

executive
#53

So Hildo...

Hildo Brilleman;Regional General Manager

executive
#54

Greg, was that...

John Purtell

analyst
#55

Yes. It was a just around -- if you can provide some sort of color around the degree or extent of product registrations coming through, are they sort of more or less than normal coming through the pipe?

Gregory Hunt

executive
#56

Hildo?

Hildo Brilleman;Regional General Manager

executive
#57

Yes. No. As I said, on the Century and Surf portfolio, where we can and have a good opportunity, this geographical and label extension also bringing on more crops is a key plank to our product development strategy. And this is coming through the coming fiscal year and the years to come. What I would also like to emphasize is that with the Surf acquisition, we got a very good range of sulfonylurea herbicide chemistry. And we have launched and are in the process of launching some differentiated mixtures there. And we're seeing increased uptake and momentum behind this new product introductions. So it's a good example of that we're starting to unleash the potential of the Century and Surf portfolio more and more now we have integrated these portfolios.

Gregory Hunt

executive
#58

John, if I can probably just add another comment to that. I mean whilst we have some exit from our portfolio, now there's also upsides for us from the removal of competitive products for the market. As an example, chlorothalonil and epoxiconazole won't be available in the market next year. And these products or products containing those compounds in the market value, is about EUR 400 million. So we would expect tebuconazole and prochloraz products to be a strong beneficiary of these exits, and they really are viable substitutes for farmers at equivalent price points. So we still think that acquisition, given what is happening in the market, it's disappointed to now. But as we've said, I think many times before, these are quality products. They're recognized brands. They have a place to play in the market. And as we see some other products fall out, the opportunity for these products is just so much greater.

Operator

operator
#59

Next telephone question is from Evan Karatzas from UBS.

Evan Karatzas

analyst
#60

I appreciate all the detail around that European recovery. It's actually pretty helpful. Can I just move to North America, can you just talk to what the T&O EBITDA impact was there, I guess, from COVID and all that? Just trying to get a sense of, I guess, what the recovery could be going forward?

Gregory Hunt

executive
#61

Look, I think probably about $10 million in revenue, $4 million or $5 million in EBITDA.

Evan Karatzas

analyst
#62

Okay. Cool. And then just, sorry, just last one on North America. That new distribution agreement that you've won or received, can you -- any more color on that? And even on a few of them over the last couple of years, yes, just some more color would be great.

Gregory Hunt

executive
#63

In terms of sales, probably $30-odd million?

Paul Binfield

executive
#64

Yes.

Gregory Hunt

executive
#65

So in terms of revenues, about $30 million.

Evan Karatzas

analyst
#66

Yes. Cool. All right. And then just final one. Just going on to omega-3 for [indiscernible]. Can you just give a bit more color and detail around the regions that you've won sales in or how many customers are signed up? Or any sort of -- or areas that you're sort of focusing on now, Chile or Canada or Norway, I guess?

Brent Zacharias

executive
#67

Yes, sure. Thanks. I think we've been signaling for a lot that our primary focuses or initial launch has been in Chile, and that's where we did -- in those locations, we did a lot of our work. So yes, I can't confirm that our first -- our very first sales are to a global leading player that happens to have locations in Chile. But I would also characterize our status as much broader than that. We're in very advanced discussions with multiple players in the industry and getting a lot of support. So we're being a little bit careful in how much detail we provide around that right at this time because it's still a fairly sensitive time for us with a lot of discussions going on. But yes, to your question, Chile is a really critical first market for us. But as we look out across other geographies, no obviously, locations like North America, specifically Canada and Europe being Norway, U.K. over time are certainly targets for us as we look at the advantages that we've now been able to demonstrate particularly in salmon production.

Operator

operator
#68

And the final question in queue today is from Anna Guan from Wilsons.

Anna Guan

analyst
#69

Most of my questions have been answered previously. But just one final one on the cash flow. Paul, can you talk us through how the normalization worked, particularly around the sale of [ LatAm ], that $417 million?

Paul Binfield

executive
#70

Yes. Yes. So essentially, it sounds like you found that Note 6, and that just sort of helps take you from the underlying operating cash flow through to the reported. You've got to remember that the -- we sold the LatAm business at the peak of their working capital cycle? So that significant $400 million cash outflow that you're seeing there essentially is the sale of the LatAm net working capital as at the 31st of March. And if you look down at sort of a couple of lines to the net investing bit, you'll see the cash that we received from Sumitomo wasn't the $1,188 million purchase price. It was something over $100 million higher than that because that's essentially the working capital adjustment that we got Sumitomo to make, reflecting the fact that working capital is at a higher level. Does that help you?

Anna Guan

analyst
#71

Yes. Yes, that helps us. I suppose a follow-up. So I was looking at Note 12 in the account. So we can see the FY '20 working capital there. What was sort of the drag versus the PCP?

Paul Binfield

executive
#72

In terms of net working capital, so...

Anna Guan

analyst
#73

Yes.

Paul Binfield

executive
#74

So where are you talking specifically, Anna?

Anna Guan

analyst
#75

So I'm looking at page -- this is Note 12 on Page 74 of the accounts?

Paul Binfield

executive
#76

Yes. So essentially, and in particular, what's your issue? So we've detailed there, obviously, the assets that have been sold. And you'll see there that the asset working capital at that particular point in the cycle of the business is pretty much at its high point. I'm not sure I understand your question. I'm happy to pick it up off-line if you want, Anna, to take you through the detail.

Anna Guan

analyst
#77

No, no, no. I see what you mean now.

Operator

operator
#78

That's all for questions for today. I'd like to hand the call back to the speakers for closing remarks. Please continue.

Gregory Hunt

executive
#79

Okay. Well...

Unknown Executive

executive
#80

Actually, I think we have got a couple of more questions there. Kevin, if we take 1 or 2 more.

Operator

operator
#81

Our next telephone question is from Belinda Moore from Morgans.

Belinda Moore

analyst
#82

Paul, can I just double check Page 6 of your accounts where you've given that guidance for the 30th of September, the new financial year. Can I check, is that including the 2-month stub period, so it's effectively 14 months' worth? Or is it 12 months?

Paul Binfield

executive
#83

No. It's 12 months.

Belinda Moore

analyst
#84

Just 12?

Paul Binfield

executive
#85

It's 12 months, Belinda. Yes, 12 months commencing 1 October.

Belinda Moore

analyst
#86

Okay. Also, can I just check what is the Greenville facility in '21 add for the annualized EBITDA impact, please?

Paul Binfield

executive
#87

You mean the actual D&A, the depreciation impact?

Belinda Moore

analyst
#88

No, what -- sorry, what earnings are you sort of targeting for that facility? What's the uplift in '21?

Paul Binfield

executive
#89

Yes. I mean hard to sort of pin it down in the sense. The benefits of Greenville really come in reduced costs. So in terms of the business case that we put up to support that investment, the cost improvement are in the region of USD 3 million to USD 5 million. And we've clearly got some of that benefit in the current year because the plant was commissioned in October and started hitting some of more commercial volumes in the second half. So certainly, a portion of that will come through in the second half. I think there will be a further increment to come through in FY '21.

Belinda Moore

analyst
#90

Sure. And then post the sale of the South American operations, you said you're always going to target reducing your corporate costs, they were an outflow today of just under $57 million. How do we think about that going forward?

Paul Binfield

executive
#91

Yes. Look, I think, again, we've put, I think, on one of the slides, too, the expectation of the benefits coming through from the cost-out program that we've got underway. And corporate is well and truly in the gun there. So essentially, you could expect to see corporate costs coming off a further $5 million.

Belinda Moore

analyst
#92

In '21?

Paul Binfield

executive
#93

Correct.

Belinda Moore

analyst
#94

Okay. And then just lastly, is it fair to say that you can get that sort of 40% working capital target in '21?

Paul Binfield

executive
#95

Look, I think hitting 40% in '21 is going to be tough. I expect to see us below the current year level of 46%, but I do think hitting 40% is absolutely achievable in '22.

Operator

operator
#96

Our next telephone question is from Jonathan Snape from Bell Potter.

Jonathan Snape

analyst
#97

So just some questions around that Page 6 guidance numbers again put out there, and I appreciate you already commented on the interest level. But the step-up in depreciation and amortization of about $20 million relative to what you've just put out. Can you tell me what's driving that?

Paul Binfield

executive
#98

Yes. Look, I think there'll be an element there of additional depreciation coming through from the full year of Greenville. You're also in a position to, whereby omega-3 commercialization, obviously, is well underway, and therefore, we'll start the amortization of that amount. We've got a full 12 months of carinata. And of course, again, carinata commercialization commencing in the current year. And again, launch of some new products coming through the pipeline, so places that we talked about, the gold product in North America and a number of new products coming through in the ANZ business as well. So there's actually quite a lot of activity in terms of commercialization of new portfolio coming through, Jonathan. And that's what the catalyst is to drive higher D&A.

Jonathan Snape

analyst
#99

Okay. So if I look at it, you've got $75 million, $80 million of interest, $220 million of D&A and then FX. I think in the past, you kind of said it's like $1 million a month just to keep that stuff going. So call it $10 million. So you're going to have somewhere around about $310 million of costs below D&A before we get the tax. I'm just trying to do the bridge here because if I have a look at, I guess, what you just reported at EBITDA this year, look at that chart you did for Europe, you probably had, let's call it, $25 million of seasonal stuff you should get back just if it's normal and you open your door. If I look at the summer crop, vis-à-vis what you would have done 2, 3 years ago, you should have $20 million there. I think you've called out a couple of things in the U.S., T&O, I think you mentioned earlier about $5 million, you got about, I don't know, about 1/3 of those savings probably come through. I guess what I'm trying to figure out is, do you guys actually expect to report a net profit after tax in 2021?

Paul Binfield

executive
#100

We do.

Jonathan Snape

analyst
#101

You do. Okay. Anything material because it's waterfall, it's quite hard to get there.

Paul Binfield

executive
#102

I don't think -- the current environment, Jonathan, you'd be pretty -- you wouldn't expect us to be giving guidance out there. And the rules around this are pretty tough at the moment. So I can't really answer that.

Operator

operator
#103

Ladies and gentlemen, there is no further questions at this time. That does conclude the meeting for today. Thank you for all participating. You may all disconnect. Have a great day.

Gregory Hunt

executive
#104

Thank you.

Paul Binfield

executive
#105

Thank you.

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