nVent Electric plc (NVT) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
September 14, 2020
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Deane Dray
analystGood afternoon, everyone. It's Deane Dray, Senior Analyst with RBC, and welcome to the next presentation for the 2020 Virtual RBC Industrials Conference. We're delighted to have the management team from nVent here today. Representing the company, we have Beth Wozniak, CEO; Sara Zawoyski, CFO; and Head of Investor Relations, J.C. Weigelt. So first of all, good afternoon, everyone. And since we are joining via a video webcast, I'm always interested in where is everyone connecting from. So Beth, start with you. Where are you joining us from today?
Beth Wozniak
executiveYes. I'm from -- I'm in Minneapolis from my dining room. So hence, the background.
Deane Dray
analystTerrific. Sara?
Sara Zawoyski
executiveYes. Good afternoon, everyone. I'm actually -- I made a trek into the office, mask and all, so very safely, but I am sitting here in my office in St. Louis Park, Minnesota.
Deane Dray
analystI was going to feel very badly for you if that was your dining room because it looks quite not appropriately decorated. Good. And J.C.?
J. Weigelt
executiveI'm about 8 miles north of the office at home on the opposite end of the house from the kids at their first day of school.
Deane Dray
analystOh my gosh. That's good for you. And I see a closed door, which that's probably -- that's the best attribute of a work-from-home.
Deane Dray
analystAll right. So let's just jump in and start with Beth. One of the data points commentary we're getting from the companies is sequential monthly improvement that has carried from the second quarter. To the extent that you can comment, what -- how's the macro look for you, the end markets, maybe we can take it by geography for the businesses that -- and the business -- the segments that you touch?
Beth Wozniak
executiveOkay. Well as we reported on our earnings call, we certainly came out of Q2 with orders better than sales. And as economies started to reopen around the world, we've seen some improvement. And recall, we guided that we would be down 10% to 20%, in that range. I would say -- and there's different dynamics everywhere. So I would say, as we look at -- Europe started to come back before North America, and we saw some areas in Asia like China pick up, but there's still challenges there. I think India reported some of the highest case rates, for example, so very dynamic. When we think about some of the verticals that we serve, with commercial, that was one of those areas where we saw contractors were off of job sites, and so anything that -- any construction underway, we started to see some of that activity resume. And so we saw some of the commercial activity come back. I would say industrial improved, but it is slower than, say, commercial. And I think that's just because, for us, a lot of industrial is tied to CapEx, and there still is both distributors being very careful on their restocking activity as well as just -- that's one of those levers that you pull in a downturn, just manage all your spend elements. When we think about other areas, utility for us, as we had talked about in Q2, some of those areas had been holding up relatively well and we've seen that continue. Data and networking solutions, that's an area for us that we've seen nice orders. Although I would say the execution of that maybe is going to take some time, and I always liken that to -- as we just described, we're not all back in the office. So in some of these cases, our system integrators aren't able to get on job sites yet to do some of that work, but the long-term prospects there, we still think are great, and that's been an area of strength for us. When we think about other places we play, our thermal business, particularly in the oil and gas, that's tended to be weak. Now the project side for us has held up. And we've talked about our backlog there because we're at the tail end of those projects, and so we've got some nice wins that we've had that we're executing on. But the MRO side, and this is similar to industrial CapEx, continues to be weak. And that's just, again, controlling costs, but we also had some hurricanes in the Gulf Coast area that took people off of job sites. So I guess I would characterize it that things are improving, but there's still areas that are slowly recovering, right? It doesn't look like it's quick V-shape recovery. It's going to take some time as we're all managing this pandemic and it has fits and starts around the world.
Deane Dray
analystYes. Just on that last point on the around the world, you mentioned India, we know about their situation. Any other kind of geographic comments that you would make between Europe, North America?
Beth Wozniak
executiveYes. I would say, in Europe, there's different -- depending on parts of Europe, we've seen some strength and some weakness. I think Germany has been kind of tough. Other parts of Europe have been okay. North America for us has tended -- because more of our sales come from North America, too, has tended to be a little better than Europe for that matter. And in Asia, it's different pockets, depending on what part of Asia.
Deane Dray
analystAll right. Good. And then I want to throw this out to Sara. The whole 2020 cost takeout program. Look, everyone's what -- this is -- nVent's still a relatively new company, so the precision and responsiveness that -- on how you've taken out costs and -- I think has been impressive. And just give us a sense of -- I know you bumped it from $50 million to $70 million, just give us an update of where that stands, how much is structural take out? How much is temporary? And what we should expect? Thanks.
Sara Zawoyski
executiveYes. I really think the execution of this cost-out program in 2020 is really reflective of the scenario planning and the alignment across the management team. We really started this scenario planning back in Q4 of 2019 when we were beginning to see some of -- some weakness in that short-cycle industrial space. And so working that scenario planning, working the alignment, not only at an enterprise kind of desktop, but importantly, kind of by segment in each one of the plants, I think, was paramount. So a couple of things. In terms of -- that Q1 to Q2, bumping that cost-out program from $50 million to $70 million, I would say that part of it was contemplated even in Q1. We were quick to say we've got to take out costs. We've got to reduce some temporary costs as well as structural to that $50 million mark, but we also acknowledged that in some of the spaces like energy, like maybe in pockets of industrial, we did anticipate it being more of a prolonged recovery, so we knew we had to take some incremental actions. So really that $50 million to $70 million was in part -- half of that roughly temporary cost actions, simply taking what we were doing in Q2 and shifting that again into Q3. But the other $10 million of that was more structural costs with, again, like I said, a focus on the thermal side of the business. So I think it's just indicative of what we think we needed to do to manage those decrementals. And the only other thing I would offer up to in the context of managing these decrementals, what was critical since day 1 of this pandemic is preserving the investments around emerging stronger, particularly on the new product side as well as in the digital transformation areas.
Deane Dray
analystGreat. You kind of led into the next question about decrementals. Yes. The 33% came in better than what we were looking for. So -- that doesn't include the impacted M&A. But just on a go-forward basis, is 25% to 30% still the right range for the second half?
Sara Zawoyski
executiveYes. So we talked about Q2 being the trough, with an expectation that things are going to get better in the back half. So obviously, that helps on the decremental side. A couple of other points maybe to point out here would be on the structural side, right? As those structural actions begin to take hold, that should improve the decremental side as well. So I think we're taking the right actions on the temporary side, making sure that we're executing those. Those are done. On the cost-out structural piece, again, aligning the cost to what we see in the overall end markets. And then obviously, with the expectation the back half is going to be better than the Q2 trough, all of those point to managing those decrementals better to where they were -- than where they were in Q2.
Deane Dray
analystThat's great. And Beth, that kind of leads into the next question. One of the things I really liked, how you all framed the year in terms of a scenario analysis, if this is a mild to moderate downturn and calibrate what the sales would be down in decrementals. Where does that stand today?
Beth Wozniak
executiveWell we're still calling it mild to moderate. And I think given there's still so much uncertainty in terms of how economies are recovering and the pace at which we get back to growth, I think the good news is we don't see this severe, and that's what we said on our Q2 earnings call, but I think it's still -- it's too early to say it's just mild. I think the pace of recovery, it's going to take us some time. So that's still what we're leaning towards. And I mean I think as we get better, as we're executing, there may be some elements in that model that we perform better on. Certainly, we're working towards that, but we're going to still call it mild to moderate.
Deane Dray
analystGood. And how does this -- and that's still the same decrementals, the 30%, 35%, that still makes sense?
Beth Wozniak
executiveYes.
Deane Dray
analystOkay. That's helpful. How about near-term capital allocation priorities? And I'd like being able to ask the question because if you think about where we were last quarter, like after the first quarter, it was tell me about your liquidity position, right? No one's asking about that anymore, okay? So talk about near-term capital allocation, where -- decision to lift the suspension on buybacks and what sort of optionality do you have from here?
Beth Wozniak
executiveOkay. Well Deane, you're exactly right, because as we all enter Q2, we didn't know. We gave those scenarios, but we had no idea if it was going to be severe or where it was at, so it what was all about cash preservation. And I think we came out of Q2 showing that we had good cash generation and so we felt -- again, we pegged it at mild to moderate. So therefore, that gave us the confidence, right, that we -- where we had paused share buybacks, we could lift that. From here, I would say our framework that we've had since we started as a new company is still in place, which is we want to use our cash to drive growth. And so you heard Sara say that we have not let up on the investments in digital or R&D. The opportunity for us to do M&A is we -- as we've always said, we're a $2 billion company, a $60 billion space is very fragmented. And so we have a good pipeline and so we want to have that opportunity to execute on M&A. We're -- our dividend, we've retained a nice competitive dividend and have held that. And so certainly, as we look at the back half of the year, we have that optionality to invest for growth, to do some M&A. But certainly, share buybacks, we're going to put our cash to work, right? So I think as we are now in this mode, continuing to focus on cash generation, demonstrating that's the strength of ours, a continued strength, we'll be putting our cash to work.
Deane Dray
analystGood. I want to come back to M&A, but just if I kind of took the investor temperature, no pun intended, but the idea that thermal is an area that there's still some concern. And just the idea here is talk about your market positioning, how much is longer cycle exposure and your visibility in the business. Just frame for us where that stands.
Beth Wozniak
executiveYes. As we always have shared, our thermal business, about 1/3 of it plays in the commercial market and then 1/3 of it is tied to projects and 1/3 of it is in that MRO space. So when it comes to projects, the thermal heat management is always at the late-stage of construction of a project. So as we've shared over the last year or so, we've been building backlog. We've won some LNG projects. And so while there has been some -- I'd say, the timing of execution, there's been some movements simply because people were pulled off job sites and other things like that. We know we've got some healthy backlog to execute on there. The area for us in the short term that has been tough has been the MRO spend. And you might recall that that's been an area we talked about seeing nice growth over the last couple of years. And again, much as we talk about industrial CapEx, that's one of those levers that gets pulled on. So I think as -- with oil and gas, it's going to be a slow recovery. We believe we've got some nice projects to execute on. I think the commercial side of that business will follow the rest of the commercial portfolio for event. And then MRO, I think that's going to take a little bit time, but at some point, you have to get back to doing maintenance. But the next couple of quarters, we think MRO is going to be weak.
Deane Dray
analystThat's completely understandable. I was looking at the kind of questions I wanted to ask, and I noticed I didn't really have an enclosure question, and there's a bias here having covered the parent company Pentair for so long that Enclosures typically acts so well in a recession, at least it's more resilient. So maybe just tell us where and how the Enclosures business has responded in this downturn.
Beth Wozniak
executiveYes. So I think when you look at our Enclosures business, and we've often talked about as you follow the trends, look at some of the last recession. Although this pandemic is a little different, right, than the last recession, but typically, because 2/3 of our business, well more than that in Enclosures, goes through distribution. You see this destocking and then it starts to come back. When it comes back, it comes back stronger. And we've always shown in the Enclosures business that we've been able to manage our decrementals, and we've had good cash generation. So I don't think there's any reason to think that it wouldn't be different. In fact, I would argue that when things come back, and I would still say that industrial is a little slow right now, just -- I mean improving, but it's going to take more time for it to come back. But I think we're in a better position than ever. Having done the Eldon acquisition, which has gone very well, we now have a stronger global footprint. Some of the capacity constraints that we had when we first launched, I think, have largely been addressed, and we've been investing in digital platforms that will allow us to serve our customers well. And you put that on top of the fact that we started focusing on areas like data and networking solutions, that -- just everything becoming more electric requires an enclosure. I think the long-term prospects for this Enclosures business are terrific. And we've strengthened the portfolio, so it's really as the growth -- or when we get back to growth there, Enclosures is going to be really strong for us, a strong part of the growth story for nVent.
Deane Dray
analystAnd very specifically, one of the megatrends that we're expecting in the -- and we've written a report about the post-COVID landscape, that there will be bigger investment in automation and especially edge computing, and all of this is going to need -- all the equipment is going to need enclosures. Just frame for us what's the exposure, broadly for data center, but then on this kind of edge computing opportunity, and just kind of growth expectations, if you could.
Beth Wozniak
executiveYes. When you look for data and networking solutions, I mean, we've grown that double-digit over the last couple of years. And it's not just Enclosures, it's also EFS and Thermal, too. But you think about -- everything needs an enclosure. And when you look at more edge computing, especially if you want to get controls closer to -- in a factory floor, in harsh environments, whether it's 5G and you've got towers or the -- an exposure to environment, that's part of our strength, right, because we can meet any type of environmental requirement and whether it's NEMA or IEC. So when I talk about Enclosures just being so well positioned as we -- as the long-term prospects there are just great for that business because we really can enclose everything, and we've extended that protection with cooling capabilities, so when it comes to data and networking solutions, having a liquid cooling capability as well as air. So we're -- the Eldon deal really added capability that would have taken us 7 years, right, to do organically. And so we talk about emerging stronger, and I think all the investments that we've made, that we're going to be really well positioned. And I think just to characterize it, the data and networking space for us across nVent is about $150 million, and it's been growing double-digits.
Deane Dray
analystGood. And then switch over to EFS for a moment. The big worry that investors have is what's on the other side of this current project backlog that is being worked off. Is -- are new projects getting greenlighted? Or is there going to be a big air pocket? From your perspective, what EFS is being, where does that stand?
Beth Wozniak
executiveYes. I think a couple of things. Remember, the EFS portfolio, while it is commercial, it also plays in these other spaces. And I know maybe we don't talk about that enough, but with the ERICO brand, we play in utilities. We've extended what we do with CADDY and the WBT acquisition more broadly into the data and networking solutions space. We play in infrastructure with that ERICO brand, right, with -- and so energy storage, 5G, and those are areas, again, that have largely relatively had strength. And so what we think about a lot is right now with commercial, we're seeing job sites open up, right, and we've seen improvement there. I think the way we think about things is we're going to continue to launch new products. We know that our position relative to some of the distribution channels even globally was not where we wanted it to be, and we're looking at where are those areas of growth going to be. So even if things -- and we don't know yet, but even if things get softer in commercial, right, as we get into next year, we're thinking about these growth spaces where our products play and how do we continue to build up the momentum that we've had with all these new product launches that we're doing this year. So the same value proposition that we have around labor savings plays really well into these other spaces as well. So I think we've seen nice momentum in those verticals outside of commercial, and I think that's just how we're going to look to the future is that we've got plenty of other places that we can go with that portfolio.
Deane Dray
analystGot it. And maybe just touch briefly on that point about new product launches. I found it really interesting how resourceful your sales and marketing people have been in terms of kind of reinventing ways to launch new products and hold virtual demos. And just kind of give us that example because I think it's really telling.
Beth Wozniak
executiveYes. We -- I think -- so first of all, this is going to be a record year. And every year, we've been improving our new product vitality, and we're getting better at driving velocity in that new product development process and even in digital with using an agile approach and just gaining a lot of steam. But once you launch those new products, we wanted to ensure that we got them into the hands of our contractors or customers or channel partners, and so we started to do virtual launches. And I would say for the EFS portfolio, in particular, we've been able to -- some of our key channel partners and our key contractors, ship them a product in advance and then have a virtual training session. In fact, with our new WBT acquisition, the team did that with me where they actually shipped me the product, and you could -- it's very tactile. And you can see -- physically see and hold the ease of installation. And so we found we're doing things digitally. We found some unique ways to get product into the hands of our customers. We've also done some great training videos to just show the robustness of the product. The EFS guys are just known for taking our product and throwing it on the ground. And if you dropped it from a ladder and showing how resilient it is, and we've had record attendance when we -- with these types of sessions right now. So we really move forward to say, let's not miss a beat in the launch. Let's get these products seeded out there. And we're getting great reception, record attendance at some of these training courses we're offering.
Deane Dray
analystThat's really remarkable given the COVID backdrop and how everything has been dislocated, that you're having a record year of new product launches, but that's -- congrats to the team.
Beth Wozniak
executiveThank you.
Deane Dray
analystOne of the investment -- I'm -- J.C., I'm going to drag you into this. One of the whole investment themes that is taking on greater, greater importance in industrials overall is ESG, and we're seeing it having a big influence on a number of the companies that we follow. And I also recognize that as a new company, there's still multiple steps you need to take in order to have all of the ESG, like core requirements before you have full appeal to both active and passive investors. But J.C., just give us an update as to where does that stand today. And because you all are right in the sweet spot where ESG should have all kinds of interest in nVent, but what can you add to that for us today, please?
J. Weigelt
executiveSure. Well I think first off, I just want to recognize that we did launch our first social responsibility report in mid-July, so very excited about that opportunity. And it really opens up a lot of opportunities for us to go out there and start talking about the things we're working on, have it be from a people standpoint, diversity and inclusion standpoint or even products. The governance stuff has always been out there, but the social responsibility report gives us another avenue to talk about these other aspects of great things that we're doing. And so with that report, myself, I'm working with all these different surveys and making sure that they have the appropriate information now that we've disclosed some new things, correcting some things that maybe they didn't have or pointing them in the direction, so that's a task upon itself with dozens of these out there. And then as we have launched this, we're starting to begin an outreach program, which, Deane, you and I, have already talked about, with some of these ESG investors and just making sure that they're aware of who we are, what we've been doing and what we want to become and launch, et cetera. So it's a brand-new initiative for us from a public outreach standpoint from my chair, but a lot of things you read about in social responsibility are things that we've had from the beginning since launch, like diversity amongst our Board, 67%, renewable energy, diverting waste to landfills, et cetera. So these are things that have been here since day 1, and this just gives us another avenue to start talking about that.
Deane Dray
analystAre there any other major steps that have to report internally that you have to have completed before you are fully eligible for the ESG investor?
J. Weigelt
executiveWell I mean, that's -- I think everyone has their own type of disclosures and requirements. From what I've learned, some of them have their own in-house, check-the-box type of things, others rely on these types of surveys that I did mention. And so everyone seems to be a little bit unique, and so we are going to have to do a grassroots effort to go out there and meet with these folks individually and answer their questions and maybe bring some of that back and see how we can become stronger from a disclosure standpoint and move forward with building that relationship out. So it's not something that, I would say, literally happens overnight, where we launched this report, and we are an ESG favorite company. There's some labor work and some education we have to do at the same time.
Deane Dray
analystThat's great to hear. All right. So I want to get back to Beth on this question. Is the idea that these -- typically, industrial companies have an operating system. And part of nVent has been this One nVent framework that you've talked about from day 1. And the idea here is how has this translated in terms of your responses during COVID? I'm sure it has something to do also with your ability to have a record year of new product launches. But just make it real and tangible for us in terms of the go-to-market with this One nVent framework.
Beth Wozniak
executiveYes. All right. So the One nVent framework, we said when we launched our -- as a new company, the strategy is how do we unify what we did across these businesses that had come together through a series of acquisitions. And so we thought of it in different ways, including our management system we call Spark, but on -- which is under the One nVent umbrella, but it was everything about from having vertical marketing teams or strategic account channel teams that could really drive sales of all of our products. So if you think to, we use data and networking solutions, we've seen nice double-digit growth having 1 team to go and market and sell our portfolio and find solutions. On the channel side, we grew through electrical channels over the last several years. And even though we were a top provider in the electrical -- top supplier in the electrical channels, we weren't always represented that way. So building strategic relationships, and so finding places where we could improve our position, both in North America and globally, and so again, we saw nice growth from that. Then when you think about the other operational aspects, and I'll touch upon a couple here, similar just the way we run our business. So take digital, right? We wanted to ensure as we go forward and we looked at how do we drive the improved customer experience along the customer journey and putting in place common platforms, be it a CRM system or be it how our websites or even some of the things that we do in the back office side of things, and so having a digital architecture to do that and driving an agile approach, I would say. And we have a new technology leader that joined us last year, we probably made more -- we were making a lot of progress, and we've made more progress in the last 6 months as a result of that. And the way we think about that is we're scaling what we do. And you mentioned safety, I really believe that -- and our employees, through surveys, have just responded to us that they feel very safe working in nVent. And we learned from what was being done in China and implemented a 42-item checklist across every plants and our sites to ensure the safety and well-being of our employees. And so really at One nVent is how do we drive some commonality and scale what we do, everything from growth to how we just drive an operational discipline, whether it's lean or agile, to just other things like world-class safety programs.
Deane Dray
analystThat's fabulous. And like you wrapped up that whole answer right at the bell that says this presentation is coming to a close. So we do appreciate the whole nVent management team being here, Beth, Sara and J.C. Thank you very much. Best of luck with your -- the rest of your investor meetings. And just thank you again for participating.
Beth Wozniak
executiveThank you, Deane.
Sara Zawoyski
executiveThanks, Deane.
J. Weigelt
executiveThanks, Deane. Take care.
Deane Dray
analystEveryone, be well. This concludes the presentation by nVent. Thank you.
J. Weigelt
executiveBye.
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