Oil and Natural Gas Corporation Limited (ONGC) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, I extend a warm greeting to all of you, the investors and analyst meet is an annual event organized by ONGC usually held after the adoption of the annual audited accounts by the ONGC Board. This year, ONGC has decided to hold the meeting after adoption of accounts of 9 months in view of major happenings that have taken place recently and activities that are in pipeline. My name is Prakash Joshi, representing the Investor Relations cell of ONGC. And I'm honored to welcome the investors community and research analysts from various institutional investors and fund houses to ONGC's investors analysts meet for the year 2025. I would also like to extend a heartfelt welcome to the esteemed Chairperson of the ONGC Group of companies, the directors on the Board of ONGC, including the Managing Director of MRPL, OVL and OPaL as well as the directors from our subsidiaries, OVL, MRPL and OPaL. Furthermore, I extend my greetings to all senior officers and colleague present here today. Allow me to introduce the distinguished individuals on the stage. Seated at the center, Shri Arun Kumar Singh, Chairman and CEO of the ONGC Group of Companies. On his right, followed by Shri Rajarshi Gupta, MD OVL; Shri Pankaj Kumar, Director, Production; Shri Manish Patel, Director, HR; and Shri MS Kamath, MD MRPL. To the left of Chairman sir, Shri Vivek Tongaonkar, Director of Finance. Our Director Exploration will join shortly, Shrimati Sushma Rawat. We have Shri Arunangshu Sarkar, Director, Strategy and Corporate Affairs; and Shri Gurinder Singh, MD, OPaL. Before we proceed, I kindly request everyone to put your mobile phones to silent mode to ensure an uninterrupted flow of the proceedings. Please note the proceedings are being recorded as per the statutory requirements. Thank you now. I would like to extend an invitation to the esteemed Director of Finance, ONGC to deliver his welcome address. Over to you, sir.

Good afternoon. A very warm good afternoon to you all. On behalf of the entire ONGC Group team, it is my privilege to extend a very warm welcome to all our friends from analyst and investor fraternity. It is indeed a great pleasure that we are getting an opportunity to have face-to-face interaction with all of you after our financial results for the quarter and 9 months ended 31st December 2024. While we have a conference call after every quarterly financial results, it is heartening to have this kind of face-to-face conversation with our important stakeholders. After a declaration of financial results for Q3 and 9 months of financial year '24, '25 on the 31st of January '25, we came out with a detailed press release highlighting the significant developments and results for the period. Our Investor Relations cell has also separately sent performance highlights to all the analysts as per our mailing list. We have tried our best to clarify the queries that we have received over the calls over the last couple of days. Through today's interaction, we hope to clarify all the remaining queries that you may have. We have always been getting useful insights, feedback, constructive suggestions from our investors to continuously improve and create value for the stakeholders. There were many issues or concerns expressed by the investors, which were work in progress for quite some time, and we are pleased to share that most of them have now been resolved or have moved forward towards finality. Major area of concern was declining production trend. And with focused approach and continuous thrust on increasing domestic production, ONGC has successfully reversed the declining trend in crude oil and natural gas production during the current financial year. We have taken a series of initiatives that will boost oil and gas production in the coming years. We are following a steady CapEx program to strengthen our reserve base and production volumes. We are also undertaking many collaborative exercises with the best in the world for leveraging cutting-edge technologies and best global practices. Gradually, we are also strengthening our renewables or green energy portfolio. Removal of SAD and 20% premium for gas from new wells will certainly improve the resource generating capability of the company. And it is heartening to note that the company has declared second interim dividend of INR 5 per share with a payout ratio considering both the interim dividends, the first and the second to about 48%. We are also pleased to share that just 2 days back, ONGC has received silver plaque for excellence in financial reporting from the Institute of Chartered Accountants of India. Prior to this, ONGC was conferred with SAFA, South Asian Federation of Accountants awards for the best presented annual reports for the financial year 2023 under the category Public Sector entities at the SAFA Awards 2024 function held at Colombo, Sri Lanka. I would like to also mention over here that this is the first time that ONGC has presented its accounts within 1 month of the completion of the quarter. And this is the first time that we have been able to do it, and we intend to continue with such a performance. We are well poised to consolidate from here and grow on a sustainable path meeting the increasing energy needs of the nation and in the process of creating value for our stakeholders. The suggestions and ideas that we received from you always motivate us to strive for excellence, and we look forward to have a great interactive session. I would now come to the investor presentation. And post that, we would be open -- the floor will be open for questions. Can we have the presentation over here? Thank you. So this is the standard disclaimer that we start off with in -- with every presentation or a meeting that it is. There would be certain forward-looking statements, including statements regarding our intent, belief or current expectations. While due care has been used in preparation of the forecast information, actual results may vary in a materially positive or negative manner. So this disclaimer -- a standard disclaimer is over here. The presentation would be divided into these 5 sections, stand-alone performance, then we move on to the consolidated performance, growth pursuits that we are following. ONGC as a responsible corporate and how our subsidiaries and JVs have been performing. As most of you already know, ONGC has discovered 8 out of the 9 producing basins in India. All the basins that have been discovered after independence have been discovered by ONGC as such. The latest one is Vindhyan Basin, which was discovered in 2022. Over the years, ONGC has been a wealth creator. The government of India has infused INR 342.85 crores over a period of 22 years. However, ONGC has returned to the government INR 1,319,334 crores, that is till 31st of December. This is through divestment, the government has earned INR 48,000 crores, dividend payments have been INR 1,30,000 crores till now. The contribution to the exchequer -- central exchequer has been INR 6,08,000-odd crores. To the state governments, it has been INR 222,000 crores. And we have also helped the government by bearing the subsidy to OMCs, which was to the tune of INR 310,000 crores. During this financial year itself, we have contributed INR 41,589 crores to the state to the central government and INR 10,233 crores to the state governments. What have been the highlights for this year. The major highlight for ONGC during this quarter 3 has been the increase in oil and gas production. And that too, it is quite substantial. We will follow it up subsequently. In the Eastern offshore, 98/2 kg, 98/2 has come onstream. We have put 13 oil wells are flowing, and we are now having a production of 35,000 barrels of oil per day, a very substantial increase and 3 million MMSCMD of gas is being produced. We have also announced an international collaboration with a BP firm, British Petroleum, the form is BP Exploration Alpha Limited. We are engaging with them as our technical service provider for production enhancement in the Mumbai High Field. Mumbai High Field continues to be our major field and the major backbone for our production. There have been new discoveries also. We have exploratory well, Chola-1, which was drilled in OALP block of Cauvery Basin in ultra-deepwater, and it has flowed gas at 500,000 meter cube per day and condensate of 368 barrels per day. One more subsidiary has been added OPaL has been an associate of ONGC. We have infused INR 18,365 crores in OPaL, and now it becomes our seventh subsidiary and we have 95.69% stake now in OPaL. It's a world-class asset, petrochemical asset and at a wonderful location. Coming to our production performance, where I have mentioned that we have increased our production. If you see on a stand-alone basis, now ONGC has brought about a growth of 1.02% in oil. There has been -- quarter-on-quarter, if you see Q1, Q2 and Q3, there has been quarter-on-quarter increase in the production over the previous year's quarters. Even in natural gas, there is a trend reversal. There has been reduction in the production deficit between Q1 and Q2 as compared to the previous year. And in Q3, we have had a marginal increase. This is thanks to 98/2 also. So we expect this trend reversal to continue. And over the coming quarters, we expect gas also to show an uptick. This is the physical performance, stand-alone production. 9 months, what we have indicated as both oil and gas together as 29.38 MMToe, including the JV, it is 30.81 MMToe. Drilling of wells, we have had -- we have drilled 353 development wells and 60 exploratory wells. So we are on track to drill 500-plus wells for this year also. The value-added products, we have 9 year -- for this 9 months, 1.93 MMT of value-added products. So hopefully, we should have a marginal uptick over a year also. Compared to the increase in physical production, the financial performance has been slightly muted. In Q3, compared to the previous year, there has been a little bit of lesser revenue. This is partly because the price that we got during this quarter was lesser than what we had in the previous quarter -- previous year -- sorry, previous year quarter. Previous year, it was $80-odd -- this year, it is $72-odd that we have received. So for 9 months also, there is some little bit muted performance as far as revenue is concerned. The PAT has -- is down a little bit more from INR 9,892 crores to INR 8,240 crores and on a 9-month basis, it is down from INR 30,000 crores to INR 29,162 crores. This is because of, one, reduced rates -- sorry, reduced prices of oil, but there is also additional -- some depletion, depreciation increases because of additional carrying property that has come up. And the reserves have gone down, production has been higher. So that has contributed partly to this PAT going down. We continue to maintain a CapEx of INR 35,000 crores plus every year in the near future also. In this 9 months, we have had already a CapEx expenditure of INR 45,335 crores. This is mostly because of INR 18,365 crores, which we have infused into OPaL. So this has helped OPaL in a big way. They have been able to reduce their high interest loans. And it should, in the future, reduce the interest burden on Opal also. The planned CapEx as has been brought out for this year -- for next year is INR 36,920 crores. Most of it going to drilling exploratory as well as development drilling. We would also have a CapEx plan capital expenditures for the projects that are coming up. Notably, we have got Daman upside project as well as DSF II coming up in the Western offshore. Coming to the consolidated performance, wherein we consider our JVs as well as our subsidiaries. ONGC is an integrated energy company, and it has been expanding its footprints in the energy business. We are into upstream. ONGC itself is there in upstream. We have got ONGC Videsh also, which handles all our portfolio in foreign countries. And we also have a small presence in price -- price as a small -- this is an HPCL subsidiary. Refining and petchem, we are there through MRPL, where we have about 71.63%. OPaL now that we are 95%. HP, we are already HPCL, we are 54.9% and HMEL also. Value-added products are at Hazira and Uran of ONGC. LNG, we have got 12.5% stake in PLL and we also intend to increase our presence in the LNG sector. We are looking at contracting LNG for sales within the country also. We are present in the power sector also through OTPC, which is Tripura. Renewables is the new focus area also. We will continue to focus on E&P. But yes, we are aware of the fact that alternative energy is important and necessary. So we have our presence now. Currently, our presence is quite small. However, we plan to increase it. ONGC has already come up with 1 tender for 1 gigawatt hybrid solar and wind project. Currently, that tender is on. We have set up 1 subsidiary, ONGC Green Limited. This would be the company. This would be the vehicle, which would focus upon green energies. And for the future, ONGC would be doing most of its investments and acquisitions through this ONGC Green. It has also a tie-up with NTPC Green. And both of these companies are working together to look for new projects as well as look for developing greenfield projects. Apart from this, we have our own services for helicopters through Pawan Hans, where we have 49%, through PMHBL, which is a pipeline company, from Mangalore to Bangalore, where we have nearly 50% along with HPCL. We're into DSL, Dahej SEZ Limited. MSEZ Limited. MSEZ Limited is a turnaround story. OTBL, we are there and Indradhanush Gas Limited, which is laying the pipeline in the Northeast, it has got 5 PSUs as equity shareholders. Our consolidated turnover for the previous year was INR 643,037 crores. Coming to the performance, total revenue or the income that the ONGC group had was INR 5 lakh-odd crores, an increase over the INR 4.89 lakh crores that we had previous year. EBITDA was down a little bit at INR 76,590 crores versus INR 90,400 crores, partly because of certain losses that were there with the MRPL and some muted profit EBITDA from other companies also. PAT was also down similarly. The total debt at December is nearly equivalent. However, the debt is moving downwards. And if you see the debt equity ratio is now 0.37% crores versus 0.4% in the previous year. As I said, directionally, the debt is down as far as the group is concerned, we are now down to 0.33% debt to equity ratio. Our credit ratings continue to remain strong. We are rated both domestically and internationally, very strongly by the -- all the credit rating agencies. Moody's rates us Baa3 stable. S&P has BBB negative or positive and Fitch has BBB negative with a stable outlook. Coming to our growth pursuits. ONGC is a truly integrated energy company. We plan to deepen our presence across oil to chemicals value chain. You would have already be aware that ONGC has declared that it would be moving into oil to chemicals also. Work is continuing to -- continuing in that direction as well. Focus has been to improve the financials. And what we have found is that due to the crude oil prices being fully realized, there's no SAD now. The government has thankfully abolished that SAD. We are able to get full price for our oil. The gas regime has stabilized, and there is a premium for the new gas that has been -- that would -- we would be producing. The APM gas prices are also moving up. Currently, we are in $6.5 per MMBtu. From 1st April, it will move up to $6.75 per MMBtu and subsequently a further raise in the next subsequent year also from April. However, we continue to focus on exploration. We have mentioned also earlier that we would continue to look at newer areas. The government has also helped us in this matter. They have opened up 1 million square kilometers of no-go area earlier on. And they have already -- yes, our direct exploration is over here. Please, welcome. We have -- the government has already opened up the no-go areas. 1 million square kilometers has been opened up. And this is really virgin areas which are -- which the government is likely to put out through OALP and 9 and for 10 for all the companies to bid for it. The main focus will continue to remain on production. And you would have seen that, as I've already mentioned, there has been a turnaround in production. Thanks to our -- all the people working together and ensuring that the production does not get held up for any reason at all. The future, as we have already mentioned, green energy, the focus remains over there. We have also gone on record to say that we would be net zero by Scope 1 and Scope 2 by 2038. And our aim is to have 10 gigawatts by 2030. We would look at measures to ensure that we do it much earlier also. This is the focus on exploration growth. We are planning to have, as I've mentioned, to increase our acreage that we would be there. Most of it coming in from the new areas which have been opened up. We plan to have about 1.8 lakh square kilometers by '25 end, 3 square kilometers would be next year and '27 end would plan to have 5 lakh square kilometers. We have bid for 19 blocks in OALP 9, which is about 0.89 lakh square kilometer acreage. We also expect that our accretion would move up in tandem with the acreages that we would be taking over. Simultaneously, we would also be focusing on production growth, strengthening and monetizing our discoveries, optimizing our recoveries. We have already mentioned that we have already tied up with -- for a technical service provider, which would help us to increase the production in MH asset. For ensuring production growth, we have got 25 major projects, 11 in development, 14 infrastructure of major projects. There are many small projects also. A brief list of these projects under implementation is brought out over here. We have KG 98/2, Cluster-II, which are 44.74 million metric ton of gain is envisaged. And this EDC is March '25. We expect it to complete now. Daman upside, which is in the West Coast. We already -- it is already awarded. It is likely to come up by February '26. This is being executed by L&T. MH redevelopment, we are expecting it to complete within this year itself, this financial year, development of DSF-II, which I've already mentioned, April '27. In onshore also, we have got a number of projects. Most of them are in Gujarat. There we also have CBM Bokaro and Jharia CBM, where we would be focusing on increasing the gas from these 2 areas. This is one major step which ONGC has taken. We have -- after doing an EOI, running a process, we had invited 10 major international companies to bid for our -- as technical service providers. We had bids from BP. Shell was also interested in that. However, the bid did not come from them. we had bid from BP Exploration and Alpha, and they have given us -- subsequently, we have placed an NOA on them. They will review the field performance, identify improvements in reservoir facilities and wells to enhance the production from MH field. This is only for MH field. And we have indicated a substantial increase of oil equivalent gas production of up to 60% from baseline levels over a 10-year production contract. So the NOI is already placed on 7th of January. They were 2 nominated members which has already happened. Both the companies are working together now. Initially, it is a fixed fee manpower deployment model for the TSV. Subsequently, after a 2-year period, it would be service fees which would be dependent upon the incremental revenue that is generated and incremental production subject to a 25% ceiling. The broad scope of workers, just to clarify, the PML and ownership remains with ONGC. We are not sharing any PI with BP. There would be a review of field performance and identify improvements in wells, reservoir, including water injection facilities, et cetera. They will undertake, along with us an integrated field reservoir field studies. They would also support ONGC in reducing flaring, sourcing of technology, implementation techniques for IOR and EOR. Contract period is initial 10 years with a 5-year extendable subsequently. For the first 2 years, the TSP has to deploy the expert technical team for a minimum period of 2 years, and this work is already underway. As far as green energy is concerned, the strategy has already been brought out. We plan to have 10 gigawatts by 2030. The focus would be on solar, onshore wind. This would be through organic and inorganic growth. We also plan to have 25 CPG plants, 2 gigawatts of pump storage -- pumped house storage to power. Then we also plan to have 1 million metric tonnes per annum of green hydrogen. CapEx is around INR 1 lakh crore that we intend to spend by 2030. We already have started work in this direction. As I've already mentioned, 1 gigawatt tender is already out, which would help to replace the power that ONGC uses in-house to in-house production and replace it with this greenhouse green energy. One major competitive edge, which we have as far as the oil and gas industry is concerned, that we have the best human resources in this industry as far as E&P is concerned. Most of them are engineers and geoscientists. We have about 24,640 regular workforce. The ratio of technical to nontechnical is about 4:1. Gender diversity, we have made efforts to ensure that there is sufficient gender diversity, and we plan to focus on it, and you will see there has been year-on-year increase also as far as this is done. And one very heartening thing. The average employee age has gone -- moved down and moved down quite substantially from 43, which is there to now only about 40, 41. We expect this to move further down. Although ONGC has been pursuing its profits and oil and gas business, it is also a very responsible corporate. Our focus has been on ESG. We are committed to conserve this climate. We do a regular greenhouse gas inventory accounting and disclosures on Scope 1 and Scope 2 emissions. I believe we were the first ones to do it in India sometime a few years back, we have started it. We've already implemented 15 clean development mechanism projects. We have about 2.2 million certified emission reductions. The focus has always been on fresh water conservation, although we work -- we use a lot of water at our drill sites, et cetera, but we have been very conscious of ensuring that the water is treated properly, sewage water treatment plants are there, rain water harvesting we do. Water footprinting is also undertaken. We have also started off with desalination plants. And green energy, I've already mentioned, yes, today, we are 193 megawatts, but the focus will be on increasing it. We have been the leader in CSR. ONGC, even before the government mandated that CSR spend should be there for all the corporates has been doing CSR in areas in localities wherever it has been working. Now the focus is on healthcare, education, skill development, women empowerment and reducing inequality, environment sustainability and other initiatives through CSR activities. During the last 5 years, we have spent more than INR 2,700 crores, which is an average of INR 540 crores a year. '23-'24, we had -- we have spent INR 635 crores. This year also, we intend to spend around that much of amount on CSR. We have always been conscious of the fact that we do our social responsibility to the people of this country. We have -- as I've mentioned, we have been the first company to issue separate CSR guidelines in 2009. Our activities have been aligned with the community needs in their respective geographies. We benchmark our CSR projects to UN Sustainable Development Goals. We have also launched an online portal for CSR activities. As far as governance is concerned, we have been the first signatory in India to the integrated pack and the first CPSC certified for anti-bribery management system. We have a mediation methodology of outside expert committee for faster resolution of commercial disputes. And this is something that has been now been recognized by the government also, other oil and gas companies also, and we have been providing help to other companies also to set up this outside expert committee for faster resolution of commercial disputes. We have focused on centralized shared financial services, and this is something that I think we can be very proud of, especially finance people. We have set it up last year. And we have also ensured with the help of all the people over here that now our invoices get paid within 10 days. So that has been a very substantial improvement over the payment part of it as such. And this is with full efficiency and transparency. So we have been -- we have received a lot of good wishes or complements for implementing this system. Coming to our subsidiaries, the first major 100%-owned subsidiary is ONGC Videsh Limited. We are present in 32 -- it is present in 32 -- in 15 countries and has 32 projects over there. 14 of them are producing. They have discovered 4 -- developing 4 in exploration 11 and pipeline 3. Their presence is there in Russia, Vietnam, Myanmar, Bangladesh, Mozambique, Azerbaijan, UAE, Colombia, Venezuela and Brazil. Cumulative production for -- till December -- end December was 212 million metric tons of oil equivalent. We have also, through internal accruals, reduced their debt by $30 million. They received the 17th BML Munjal Award for Business Excellence through Learning and Development and the Golden Peacock Award for risk management for '23-'24. There have been certain new acquisitions, point some PI in ACG, Azerbaijan and in the BTC pipeline. They have also signed MOU with IRH UAE for -- along with KABIL and Oil India to collaborate globally on critical mineral supply chain. Colombia has been a story -- a good story for ONGC Videsh. It was an exploration block that they had taken and then they have had discoveries and currently, they are producing about 25,000 to 27,000 barrels of oil per day. South Sudan also, this is a country where we have been present for quite some time. There have been good exploration successes also. There has been increase in the production. And in Spok, which is South Sudan, there have been increase in production to about 12,000 barrels per day. This is ONGC's performance. 2P reserves are 476,000 MMT -- 476 MMToe, sorry. Oil and gas production was 7.69 for the 9-month period this year. Turnover is INR 6,900 crores and the profit after tax for the 9-month period was INR 365 crores. HPSC is another Maharatna, which we have in our fold. It's a refining company. It has achieved its highest ever refining throughput of 18.53 million metric tons during the 9-month period for this year. Highest market sales of 37.12 million metric tonne, and they have achieved a milestone of 23,000 retail outlets as of December 2024. A lot of focus on marketing. HPCL also owns India's largest lube refinery in Mumbai. They own refineries in Mumbai and there are 2 refineries. They also have got HMEL and one refinery is under construction, Rajasthan refinery. The performance you have already mentioned, the GRM was $4.73 per barrel for the 9-month period this year. Revenues were INR 348,000 and the profit after tax improved substantially to INR 4,000 crores for this 9-month period. MRPL, another refinery that we have, its throughput for the 9-month period was 13.54 million metric tonne, very technically excellent refinery, and they now have -- they are doing nearly around 18 million metric ton capacity that is at what level they are operating. They have achieved revenues of INR 81,000 crores for the 9-month period. The GRMs were $3.81 per barrel. The revenue was INR 81,000 and PAT was INR 313 crores for the 9-month period. OPaL, ONGC Petro Additions Limited, our latest subsidiary. It had an average capacity utilization of 92% during this 9-month period versus 91%. Revenue stood at INR 11,000-odd crores compared to INR 10,616 crores, and they have reported an improvement in EBITDA. The loss was only INR 48 crores for the 9-month period this year against INR 445 crore loss previous year. We expect it to do better in the subsequent years, 2 points. One, they have been allocated gas by the government, new gas from ONGC. So they would be having 3.2 MMSCMD of new gas from ONGC and they are also moving to come out of the SEZ. OTPC power generation, it had a plant load factor of 59 in the 9 months period. Revenue was INR 1,000 crores. EBITDA was INR 200 crores. It's a 726-megawatt plant. Petronet pipeline company. It has achieved a throughput of 3 million metric ton capacity utilization of 72%, and it's recorded revenue of INR 119 crores and a profit of INR 60 crores. Mangalore SEZ. This is next -- this is at Mangalore next to the refinery. The operations were INR 157 crores in the 9-month period. Profit improved very substantially to INR 31.54 crores compared to INR 8.71 crores in the previous 9 months. Net worth has improved to INR 39.8 crores as against INR 8.71 crores in financial year '24. The long-term borrowings have decreased to INR 267.81 crores in the 9-month period. Currently, it is INR 236 crores. They have repaid some more things, some more amounts and this is a turnaround story for another turnaround story for ONGC. So we come to the end of this presentation. And so I think we are ready to take questions. So please provide the mics to people who have raised their hands.

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[ Sharat Chandra, ] Investment Adviser. This question is to the strategy head, the director strategy sitting on the desk. India is a country with a huge amount of sunlight and huge amount of wind power. Now what I see in the last 10 years, the amount of shareholder value which was created by companies who went into green, ONGC probably missed the bus. Today, you are targeting 1 gigawatt of -- in the whole industry probably is 10x or 100x more ahead of you. We are a Navratna company, a AAA rated company, you could have borrowed at something like 8% or 9%. The IRR of all these green projects is something like 11%, 12% would have created a 3% value add. And plus, obviously, the whole nonfuel fossil black kind of credits, which you would have also got. So the question is, why not just increase this debt equity ratio? What is this feeling that your debt equity ratio should be low and we should come from 4 to 0.3? It should actually go to 1. Why don't you invest in green power? Just India is a place where renewable is something which is everybody wants and the whole environment, the world environment wants it that way. So my question is, did the strategy just completely failed in the last 10 years? Will that not be able to recognize what is the future of the world or probably it's the bureaucratic slow and steady wins the race kind of a thing. And if I have offended anybody, my apologies are there beforehand.

Thank you very much. I agree with you that we have started a bit late in this renewable sector. But now at present, we have already created a subsidiary that is ONGC Green limited. And our OGL is working very hard at a very higher pace, and we have already in the final stage of acquiring many of the projects and the results will be announced very shortly. And more about in ONGC and also as explained in that presentation, 1 gigawatt captive power we have already tendered and the tendering is going on, and we have received the bids that also will be finalized in a short period of time. And OGL, ONGC Green Limited is also going for this hybrid projects and RTC projects, we are working in a very high speed and the results will come out very soon.

This is Nitin Tiwari from PhillipCapital. So my question is related to the oilfield development bill, which was recently passed. So just wanted to understand what are the operational and financial implications of that -- of the bill on ONGC's operations? And that is one. And the second question is related to basically your partnership with BP. So if you can talk a little bit more about that partnership in terms of what we are looking at in terms of production and what we are looking at in terms of payment structure in terms of fee and other performance-linked payment. If you can flesh it out a little bit with some numbers. That is all from my end.

So oil field regulation bill is already passed by Rajya Sabha. It is before Lok Sabha. It can be passed any moment. And basically, it has 3 parts. One part is, it has addressed the inadequacy of fast regulatory bill that to make it relevant with time. Second thing, it has also assured indirectly or some part directly as some sort of fiscal stability, which was not as much covered in great detail as 1 investor would have liked. So those who are interested for final prints, they can see this, it is in public domain, available in public domain. Coming to your second point of BP deal. As you may be aware and you would have noticed, ONGC production was declining for last 7 years, of course, by a small number, 3% to 5%. But one of the thing which declined came primarily from our old and matured field, what we call Western Offshore. Now while we are good in -- very good in many activities, we should be very proud of what we are in certain areas. Definitely, experience matters when it comes to increasing recovery. Our experience is limited to India. While the big majors have multi-geography experience and the sheer size gives you organizational heft and knowledge. That is the reason that we realized that our current recovery from Mumbai High is around 28%, 29%. It means 70% oil is still left there. So recovery has to go up and recovery has to go up to make up further not only for decline, but also to give growth. And that is the reason that we ran a process. While 90% area ONGC is -- doesn't require any help. In this area, we felt that more experienced guys welcome to partner with us. The big details, if you want to flesh out, we have given in public domain on a baseline, baseline means the line which goes with a normal decline if you do nothing, allow the field to produce and die. Then in baseline decline, which is normally if you see ONGC past performance of this field, it is 5.3% to 5.4% decline. On that, the growth promised is 60%, 44% in oil and 90% in gas. It is substantive, really substantive. So if this comes true, and we have no reason to disbelieve that it won't come true because it has come from their offer. It is not our -- an estimation. It is estimation of a bidder who happens to be one of the international oil company and international oil major. It says that this much we should expect. And it is corroborated by a financial guarantee. If that comes, then naturally, number you can convert and see for yourself. It compensates for ONGC's full degrowth, full degrowth of ONGC, normal decline from the mature field. So this is a very strategic initiative and also initiative aimed at keeping ONGC in good stead for at least next 10, 15 years because last 7 years, we really struggled to keep somehow production in same place. Despite our best intent, somehow 3%, 4% decline was always there. So we hope that this time will not come back for next 10, 15 years. Now coming to other details, I don't know what other details you want. But Mumbai High typically produces 130,000 to 140,000 barrels of oil and around 110 to 120 -- I'm saying asset, not as much field, but then also around 12 to 13 MMSCM of gas. it is really substantive. In fact, if you see total number, it is really substantive in the share of ONGC. I hope I have answered your query.

That's very helpful, sir. Dwelling a little bit more on the question of Oilfield Regulation Act, so does it, in any way, imply that basically a duty like SAED won't be incidence in the future? I mean, if you can just throw some light on that. .

See, now I'm not here to represent government. Government and ONGC are 2 different legal entities. But definitely, I can speak for 1 thing that I -- if you read the fine print of oilfield regulation, literally, not as many words, but literally, government is shedding a lot of its rights and through an act of parliament. So when you pass something to parliament, this could have been done through executive order too. There were no need to amend the act in such a way. Basically, it was -- to my mind, it is given with the intention to attract foreign oil majors, foreign oil companies to come and explore oil and gas in our country. And with that intention, I think wisdom would demand that we give some kind of assurance through various shapes and forms, not as much as 100%, but at least 95%, 96% that has been done. Now coming back to SAED. SAED, I don't know how much -- SAED is not applicable to any LP fields. Any LP field, people are recovering this SAED through profit petroleum route. So it boils down ultimately to nomination field. And nomination field was nothing but government to oil company that is ONGC and oil. Now it has been removed. I can't say that it won't come, but this coming back probability is almost now 1% or 2%. Because if you bring it again, then naturally, the investor will become a little shaky. And that is the reason that I personally feel that possibly it won't come back unless -- see, that time when it came back, you would realize oil had hit $120 a barrel. That exceptional situation will require exceptional response. But now world doesn't foresee oil will ever cross $100. So I don't personally see that how SAED can come back if it a reasonable, but as I would -- in a disclaimer, I'll put that everything is possible, but this amount is so bigger and that if you -- therefore, I don't personally foresee SAED coming back unless oil price becomes again substantially different. But as we can see, at least for next 10 years, discovered oil in the world, producible oil in the world is enough to support the oil at this price, what current price is. So I don't foresee oil going up to that level, which went exceptional 1 or 2 days, 4 days, 5 days, different world. So I can't give an emphatic answer that it can't come back. It won't come back, but the likelihood of coming back is very, very remote. Second thing, which in the context of ONGC that you should know that our 10% of gas production is becoming new well gas every year. In fact, right now, our 5-point-some-odd MMSCM is this year. Next year, it will become 10. Year after, it will become 15, year after, it will become 20. So our new gas -- new well gas, we should be very thankful. ONGC is very thankful to government. New well gas is nothing but 12% of Brent. 12% of Brent is the international gas price in any case. All the gas that we get today from Middle East is around 12%, 12.5% on the Brent slope delivered in, say, India. So ONGC is going to get -- is already getting on 10% of its gas, is getting already new well price. So it is not $6.5. Anyway, $6.5 also next year -- in April, it will become $6.75 as per the recommendation of [ Kirit Barrick ]. And $7 will become in 2026 April. So this side, $7, new well gas will be around $9. And hopefully, what other -- and still $9 gas is cheaper for country because imported gas is still $14, $15, which is basically a spot gas. Long-term gas will be around $10. So now gas, what I wanted you to know, Indian gas price is gradually becoming international -- is converging to international gas price. So market for ONGC point of view, because we need money to produce gas because today, you may be aware, most of our production comes from the water -- offshore field. So offshore field requires the gadgets, equipment, hiring of vessels, hiring of barges, all that is all-time high. If you sustain -- if you want to drill more wells to sustain even production at current level because if old wells die and we drill a new well in the same field. If new well has to be drilled, naturally, it has a new cost. And new cost is, I think, $9 price is a good price for anyone to keep drilling and keep producing with some reasonable margin in hand. So therefore, gas point of view, I explained to you, crude, I've explained to you, SAED part, I've explained to you. ONGC -- TSP, I've explained to you. ONGC cannot go down now on production. if TSP materializes in a big way. And also, we have now 98/2 that is Eastern offshore, where we're producing 35,000. Next month or 3 months, we'll add another gas production. And then, of course, all these add together, I would say that from E&P side, we are reasonably assured of our good rally for some time to come. Of course, we can't predict for transition that what will happen after 10, 15 years. Coming back to one more I want to cover this answer on the first question that is renewable. I don't think there is -- in our life experience, there is a lot of merit in being a second mover. You can be first mover or you can be second mover. For us, there was no case to be first mover because solar is replacing home. Solar is today in country replacing coal. It's not replacing oil and gas. Oil and gas continues to be -- first of all, it has not even replaced coal. Even this year, import of coal is going to be a good number. In fact, out of -- if you say coal imports, 7%, 8% is still imports. Coal is also not going anyway because our energy need is so infinite, we will -- power sector will keep growing in our country for years to come. So therefore, one thing that I want to answer you in addition to what [ Sarka ] told you, round the power, round-the-clock power RTC, if at all, solar has to grow from here onward big. PSP has so far not been able to match the speed of solar power generation addition. Battery still has not been able to catch up with the power growth of the country. One of the -- we feel that one of the things which can come immediately handy for round-the-clock power is solar with wind, we don't have -- sorry to correcting you, we don't have as much wind as you would think. Our wind intensity in our country is very limited in 3, 4 geographies, it's not beyond that. Solar, of course, we have plenty of solar. If it has to become round the clock, gas has to step in. Gas has to step in because gas can be a basic very good substitute for -- gas plus solar for 20 years and then gas -- sorry, solar plus something for another 20 years. That is the world also many see as a reality because gas is less polluting as compared to coal, substantively less polluting as compared to coal. And gas is plenty. In this world, gas reserve may last for 150 years, while oil is 60 to 70 years. Gas is plenty all over the world. And after 3, 4 years, $9 gas, we have seen our calculation, India can afford to generate power. That is our calculation, of course. I can't preach this to everyone. But round-the-clock power if you want at INR 5, INR 6 a unit, INR 2, INR 2.50 are solar and around INR 8 gas, gives you around-the-clock power. And gas in plenty in our country, ONGC context I want to give you, we'll add another 10 MMSCM by next 1.5 years. We do 2 projects that is in Bombay. That is we call, Pankaj. Pankaj would know better.

One project is Daman upside that is in Mumbai offshore. It's basically the Tapti Daman area. And the other project we call the DSF2 fields, of course, part of it is in Tapti Daman area. So almost to the tune of 9 million to 10 million meter cube per day, we are expected to add 1.5 years time from now. Both the projects are under construction phase right now. In fact, in Western offshore, this Tapti Daman block, now we call it, ONGC is putting a lot of focus because this block started developing somewhere around 2011 or so. And since then, we are continuously adding new reserves and new resources to production. Having said so, we are in a process of developing some part in the East Coast also. We call it DSF-3I fields, which is going towards some volume of oil and a little bit of gas too. So I mean, as Chairman has just now mentioned, ONGC should not see any kind of a decline or so in next decade kind of a time period. I think that's what you wanted me to add, sir. .

This is Vivekanand from AMBIT. I have 2 questions. So question 1 is on the production update of KG-DWN- 98/2. Thanks for providing some color in the press release. Would you be able to give us an updated production guidance and the wells that you're opening in the subsequent months or quarters? That's question one. And the second 1 is the guidance that you have given, the 42.4 -- 44.51 MMtoe for fiscal '25 to '27. Could you give us a split between oil and gas? .

First thing first, you asked about 98/2. All of you have that kind of an information with you that there were total around 26 wells to be put on production in this block. of which 13 oil wells, and that's the total number, have already been put on production. There were 6 water injectors are operating right now. 3 gas wells are operating right now. So 4 more gas wells are to come, which will come once all these structures are installed. We are expecting sometime mid of this year. So with this, as Chairman mentioned, we are expecting some production number to go up in terms of both oil and gas. With respect to 44.5, you were asking a breakup in oil and gas. So currently, the estimate which now, of course, it's no more a bidder. It's a partner, the BP. They have indicated is to the tune of 40% increase in oil and almost 90%, I think, in the gas over a period of 10 years. So that's what is there and the average works out to be roughly around 60% of oil and oil equivalent of gas kind of an incremental. Yes. 44 BP is not there. It's coming after 2 years because they have sought a little bit of time to study. And then, of course, we take some action, which takes time and the results would be seen. You are asking if next year's kind of breakup 44% oil and gas.

The figures that we have indicated earlier on has been for crude oil was 21.96 and 22.63 for gas, which is 44.5% that we have indicated. This does not contain anything as far as BP is concerned. That would be an upside whatever comes out -- comes from there. So we hope that answers your query.

This is Puneet from HSBC. Can you also talk about a bit more on KG field. What is the peak volume you expect? And how long do you think the peak will last?

The peak, which has been indicated is 45,000 barrels of oil per day. And currently, we are in a process -- we are producing roughly around 35,000 barrels a day, and we are in a process of ramping up. Let's see how the wells behave. And once we open all the gas wells, which are 4 are remaining, some more quantity expected from there, too. The plateau is not very long, but of course, the decline rate is not as much expected. So we have a total profile of around 12 years for the field lifetime adding around -- it's around 14 million tonnes of oil kind of a thing in lifetime period.

Understood. And also on the renewable side, if you can talk a bit about how you are thinking about, on 1 side, acquiring operating assets on the other side, building something of fresh? And thirdly, partnering with NTPC, how should 1 think about capital allocation between the 3 sources of growth of renewables.

To answer your very composite question in Part A, Part B and Part C. Part A is that what is going on today is 1 gigawatt tender that I talked about is ONGC's internal consumption because that we can -- you know the policy of the government that we can travel from any part of the country to our consumption locations for literally with very small fee, what you call this transmission fee. So that is organic route. As that gentleman rightly said, now to our mind, solar market has fairly matured. So what comes on the table is not a very harry ferry proposal, but a realistic proposal, which gives you what gentlemen said, a decent return, not very bad return or not very good return, but a reasonably good return, in fact. So second part is inorganic part. We have committed ourselves 10 gigawatt by 2030. I think we are on course. If everything goes well, we will have achieved by end of this year around 40% of what we set out for and remaining 60% will come in next 5 years. So it is something organic and inorganic, both combination working. If -- as you know, organic takes time. Organic is in our country, the solar plants, particularly from land to power is around 3 -- at least 3 years affair. So we are conscious of that. But therefore, in the interim, we'll take whatever comes our way, of course, with a decent return. If it is not a decent return, we'll not go for it. As you -- third question was what? There are 3 parts.

With NTPC...

NTPC. Current philosophy of our thinking is, if you can't beat them, join them. NTPC has done a good job in renewable as a PSU, at least their portfolio and all that, plus they know power better than us. Our knowledge of electricity business is, of course, we have -- OTPC is there, 800, 850 megawatts we do. But particularly the power distribution, power tariff, power balancing, NTPC knows better. So there's no harm in -- we realize that it's better to partner with someone who knows it best. And obviously, in public sector space because of obvious reasons. So that is the reason that our tie-up with them. Our tie-up with them is here to stay. And in fact, if we have our way, and if it goes well, if we -- everything, we would like to see it as strong as possible because this tie-up. And then after some time, obviously, we can go our own way if both of us mature to our own level. So whatever strength we have, one more thing we want you to know. Traditionally, oil and gas has been great project executors. In fact, if you see, spending INR 30,000 crores year-on-year for so many years is not a matter of joke. It is something organization inherently knows how to execute a project. So we think that we are probably in country, best capable to execute a project of this nature. If it is 10 gigawatt, 20 gigawatt, big scale projects. Naturally, among PSUs, we consider ONGC as one of the main strength of project execution. Second, which, of course, I keep saying all the time, that if you see the history of oil and gas, only integrated companies survived for century in private sector space. I'm not talking about the government sector space. If you see foreign oil company, all international oil companies are integrated companies. They are in E&P, they are in refining, they are in marketing, they are in gas. So all 4. So that if any turbulence come, the 3 sectors will weather it out, sector will die. But company has with us. Therefore, you would notice that no single company among IOC is a segregated sector company. And that is the reason that they have survived for centuries. All the single segment company in private sector, they perished. In 100 years, nobody could survive. If you have any example, I'll be too happy to see it. But definitely, they did not grow, be it Rockefeller, be it Chevron, be it Total, be it Shell, be it BP, all are integrated. We see future for next 100 years. Even these companies, integrated companies won't survive for 100 years unless they become energy company. So they should do all forms of energy to be in the world for another century, a century or century or so. So that is the reason also that we want to place ourselves as an energy company, too, because we have that capability inside. We run how to generate power, we know from gas, of course, we know. And we also know how to distribute power because ONGC also owns a small distribution company. Very few people know, which is Northeast is a power distribution company, which basically transmission company, not as much a distribution company. So that is the reason that we feel that we should be in all space. Of course, intensity of ours will be great in E&P. We are already in -- through HPC and through MRPL, we are already in downstream, very strong. And now with this energy last piece of your question that renewable for us is not fly-by-night operator. For us, it's a long loved. It is not a short love like investors that you come, develop and run away by making some money here and there. Whatever we do, we are a single -- we are married for life. We are not married for 5 years. So this is something that we should -- that we are here to stay. We are not -- we have come later, but we are going to stay in renewables. That is for sure for next 100 years. So that is something that the way we have stayed in E&P, the way we have stayed in downstream. So I hope I've answered your unfinished part of first question. Thank you.

If you can talk a bit about what is the status on Russian oil fields. Is money coming in? And any update there?

The Russian projects that we have 3 there, production is as usual in all our fields. And the only issue is that there are sanctions from the U.S. and EU and UN. So some of our money, about $250 million is there in the Russian banks, which we plan to utilize in these projects till the time the sanctions are liquidated. So that's what -- we also have a long-term view on Russia. So it doesn't bother us much immediately at the moment for the money that's there.

Probal here from ICICI Securities here, sir. Two questions. One was with respect to OPaL, after this infusion of this INR 18,000-odd crore equity, is there any residual debt still left on the books? That was one part. And the second part was, given the environment in petrochemical pricing, can we just get a sense of what the blended realization per tonne was in 9 months? And what, in your opinion, will need to sort of really change or increase for profitability to really pick up in this segment? That was my first question.

He is the MD of the company. He's supposed to reply, but I can't resist the temptation of replying to 2 parts only. OPaL, for us, you may be knowing that OPaL, 2 basic inputs, gas and naphtha comes from ONGC stable. So basically, it is for us as a forward integration. It is not a stand-alone business, which Gurinder would not explain to you. Therefore, I thought that I would step in and explain to you. Second part is books residue, yes, loan is still there, but it is in comfortable limit now. It is not as -- one of the things that you should know, OPaL was constructed out of bankers' money. It was -- literally, it was out of INR 30,000 crores CapEx, INR 2,000 crores was equity investment by promoters, okay? The rest was either through loan of their own loan or bankers loan. That capital restructuring has been done now, and it has been -- now ONGC owns around 95% -- 95.6%. So that capital restructuring has happened. Gas feed is still we have not been able to give to OPaL full. But from 1st April, it will get full 3.2. But right now, we are getting 2.7. So 3.2 full gas feed will come. So that is second part. Third part is SEZ part and fourth part is petchem price part, right? So then I would request you to cover these 2 points as much as you can.

So upside to our EBITDA is based on 2 factors, as Chairman just explained. One is gas allocation, which is being ramped up as new find gas gets certified. So that -- when that happens, then we will run our plant on gas maximization. We have a dual feed cracker. We use either -- we use a combination of naphtha and gas, and we'll maximize gas as and when the new fine gas gets allocated to us, which starts from next year. The second kick to the EBITDA will come from our SEZ exit. This company was constructed in SEZ, and we have almost come to the end of getting out of an SEZ and operate like a DTA unit. So with these 2 -- the first financial restructuring takes care of our financing cost. And the balance 2 gas allocation and SEZ exit will give us a comfortable EBITDA numbers. Petchem cycle is for the moment, there's a down cycle. So the way to measure a petchem industry is the margins or the deltas over naphtha. For the past 2 to 3 years, they have been hovering around $300 to $350 per tonne. And if you crack gas, then your margin increases. So that is why we are very, very optimistic that OPaL going forward with the share of gas in our petchem production, in our salable product will increase, and this will give a boost to our EBITDA margins.

Second question I had was with respect to OVL. There have been quite a few new basins that have been discovered, Guyana being probably a case in point. Given that Russia and Venezuela, both -- we don't know how long the problems will last, but they are obviously stuck a little bit in terms of financial issues and sanctions. Are we looking at any new basins to enter into any acquisitions or exploration that we're looking at as a strategic move.

As was part of the presentation made by [ DF ], we made a few acquisitions last year, and we continue to look for acquisitions, but with the focus being that we would look for opportunities where there is already discovered fields and it's near-term producing because with the transition happening, we don't want to get into long gestation period and long projects where the CapEx outgo is very huge before we start cashing in. So that's the focus as we go forward. We are looking at Latin America. We're looking at Africa and a bit of Middle East. And as these things happen, it will be shared with you. These are confidential projects. But yes, we continue to look for them.

Sir, I have a few questions on production. So firstly, you said that about 5 million standard cubic meters per day will be added to new well gas in a year. Just to understand, first, is this something which is reviewed every start of the year, say, in April? Or is it something that the DGH approves every quarter? How is the process working? Sorry, I didn't introduce myself Vikash Jain from CLSA. So that's the first question. Secondly, I mean, 5 MMSCMD roughly will equal to about 8%, 10%. So isn't the formula 7.5% decline and whatever your actual decline is lesser than that, the difference of that? Or is there anything incremental? How does this recognition of gas moving from old price to new price happen and in how much timeline.

Basically, you asked 2 things. how, first of all, new gas will be defined -- identified and how 7.5% and 10% allow [ us there ]. So we are continuously drilling wells, which keep on adding volumes. At the same time, the existing well stock, which is there, time and again get surveys and the volumes are added sometimes the oil well gets changed to gas well or vice versa and all those things happen. So based on that, we identify what is the gas we have added in a certain period. And DGH just looks at the numbers and gets approved as such. There is no big deal we are there. The 7.5%, et cetera, has come from the trend which was there over the years. And then it was decided that the 7.5% kind of a trend is coming out wherein we are having a natural decline based on the mature fields, and we are adding new gas every year. From that, this number has come.

Sir, how often will this volume be reviewed that DGH says every month that, okay, this is approved as new well gas now or it happens every quarter. I mean how does this process work?

No, every month, we are identifying. We are giving the number, and it is getting -- I mean, as such, the number won't change much because every month, we keep giving forecast. And at the end of the month, we keep reconciling.

Okay. Like, for example, right now, you are at about 5.5 MMSCMD, is this set to go up in April only? Or can it go up even next month or...

No, month-on-month. Month-on-month. .

Okay. So every month, it can -- and your estimate is that about 5 million standard cubic meters per day is what roughly every year will move to higher-priced gas. .

Yes. That's an expected. In fact, as the time will move ahead this number -- Delta may increase as well.

And continuing with the same thing for BP, you did explain that there was a baseline and from that baseline, if there is higher production, then that is something what will be seen as an incentive. So 2 things on that. Number one, whatever is the incremental production with whatever work BP is doing for gas, is this, again, new well gas, all of this will be new well gas? And secondly, how is the incentive for BP decided? I mean, how much above the baseline it has to be? And what is the -- it's a production sharing above that level? Or what is it?

So it was there in the slide. It is not a production sharing. It is a fee, fee for providing a service, which is on incremental production, incremental production from baseline. So whatever production gets added from baseline, it means obviously, it has come because of the efforts made, right? Or in that I can't disclose the full formula, but first charge is of all the CapEx and OpEx recovery. So whatever CapEx and OpEx has gone into it to increase production, first will cover that. Whatever is balance left in that, there will be some share out. But all I can tell you, majority share out is for ONGC. So that's all we can go up to. Beyond that, we can't because for the purpose of confidentiality. And -- but definitely, all I can tell you that it is in public domain, 60% increase -- oil and gas assumed to be same price because 12% of -- answering your question, all additional increase of production will be new well gas because that is obvious because for increasing production, we have to deliver. The moment the gas comes out of new well, it is a new well gas. And not only new well gas, even the well intervention is also defined as new well gas. So suppose I go and start a well and I spend on that well to do some production or some workover, that gas is also counted as new well gas. Did it satisfy you?

Yes, yes. Sir, just 2 other small questions on production. KG 98/2, since all the oil wells have been drilled and the ramping up is happening, from 35, which you have already reached to 45, should it -- is it a matter of few weeks now? Or is it something that, based on how production is progressing, we should be able to come to that level soon?

Ramping up from 35 and beyond, actually, this being a whole field being a deepwater field, the actions are very slow. We ramp up a little bi,t, then we let it stabilize to see how it is behaving because if something goes here and where, we just can't intervene in the well. So that's why we don't go -- we are not going fast. I presume by the end of this financial year, we should be seeing that. So by March, you mean March or somewhere around Q1.

So by March, you mean?

March or somewhere around Q1.

And similarly, for gas, you said by middle of the year, you start picking up. And so when -- I mean, say by August, September is when you envisage you go to the 10 million standard cubic meter peak or...

Yes. I mean, at this point of time, I may not be able to give you the exact month. But the thing is there are a few structures which are to be installed. We are expecting installation to be completed by March and or so. And thereafter, since there are 2 different platforms to be connected hooked up, the hookup activities will be taken up. And the weather in the East Coast picks up by the end of the March or in April. So it hampers a little bit of offshore activities. Going by all that, we presume by middle of the year, we should be able to ramp up the gas as well.

Okay. And one last thing which you started with. You mentioned the 2 fields, which could add 10 million, was it 10 million each? And you said both of them...

No, no, no, no both, almost in -- 1 in the range of 5.5 million, other in range of 4.5 million kind of thing.

That you suspect will happen by -- before the end of 2026 calendar year.

See -- yes. Before the end of 2026. Little early. First project will come fast and we will start drilling and we should, I think, start connecting well sometime would '26 and then by, it will be over.

So that's like 20 million coming in the next 1.5 years from KG and these 2 projects, right?

So Vikash ji, I hope this is your last question. .

Yes. Sir, that's 20 million extra coming from...

Not exactly 20 million I said. I said...

No, no, I'm saying if you include KG, the ramp-up in KG plus those 2 fields, that's 20 million.

Around 15 million.

Okay. Thank you, sir, for sharing your thoughts and replying to all the queries covering all the topics right from recent government policies, developments in KG 98/2 then capital allocation, our overseas projects, OPaL and our renewals too. So let me announce , please take a note that the presentation and the corporate brochure can be downloaded by scanning the QR code provided at the digital standards placed at the entry of base all. Now I would like to invite Shri Devendra Kumar, Executive Director, Chief Corporate Accounts for delivering the vote of thanks.

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. It's always a pleasure to engage with investors and analysts. I extend my sincere gratitude for the lively interaction we have had so far. It is my privilege to propose a vote of time on this location. On behalf of ONGC, entire team and the broader fraternity, I would like to express a heartful thank to everyone present here including the investor community, the research analysts and everyone else who is interested in general in the company. This includes various institutional investors and fund houses progressing ONGC's investor and analyst meet tonight. I would like to convey our sincere appreciation to Chairman and CEO and Director of Finance for delivering an outstanding overview of ONGC's future endeavors and sharing the business performance. I also extend a heartful thanks to all the dignitaries present on the -- on and off the stage for generously sparing the valuable time and engaging with the investors and sharing their insights this evening. Furthermore, I would like to express our gratitude to the entire team of Corporate Communications from ONGC and the regional office in Mumbai as well as corporate planning team and team IRC for the well coordinated efforts in organizing this event. Your contributions were truly commendable. our special thanks to this hotel and its staff for the excellent arrangement. Once again, I thank you all. I now kindly request you all to join us for high tea. Thank you. Thank you, once again.