Olaplex Holdings, Inc. (OLPX) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

May 16, 2023

NASDAQ US Consumer Staples Personal Care Products conference_presentation 35 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Jason English

analyst
#1

Okay. Okay. Exciting for me. This is my last one of the day. So I've been going since 8:00, this could going to be a nice break. I'm eager to get to break my team and I'll get back there. A huge thank you for all the heavy lifting he's been doing in terms of writing notes. And I'm looking forward just to getting in hopefully getting these things turned out pretty quickly. So we're here with a still relatively recent company in the public markets, but I'm going to start with a bit of a preamble. So I'm not a big golf fan, although some of you may know, I live in Jupiter, Florida, which is like a golf capital of the world. And one other guy who lives there is Tiger Woods. And I was entrenched by his rise to success in the late 1990s. He seemed almost superhuman that eventually, it all came crashing down as personal issues and injuries rose causing many to reclaim end to his golfing career. But then in 2018, he was back winning tournaments, phenomenal come back. So what's my point? Well, the journey for the next company on stage has some parallels. Olaplex was founded in 2014. Within 5 years, it was generating $150 million in sales. And just 2 years later, it had quadrupled to $600 million. It seems like a super human accomplishment. But now the growth has been crashing down. And investors question whether or not the brand can ever mount a comeback. Well, the company's leadership team is not only adamant that's possible, they argue that's inevitable. And here today to tell us what's happened, why the recent setback is just a pause in the long run way of growth, is the firm's CEO, JuE Wong; and CFO, Eric Tiziani. JuE, Eric, thank you so much for joining us.

JuE Wong

executive
#2

Thank you, Jason.

Jason English

analyst
#3

So I don't know if you agree with the parallels, but let's hope that, that comeback story is exactly what we're seeing and talking about here at Olaplex in the next couple of quarters. So as we step back. So far, we've got 2 chapters, right? We've got the chapter of phenomenal growth. We've got the chapter of taking a pause, a reset and let's hope the third chapter is one of revitalization. I know you guys are confident we'll get there. But before we get to the revitalization. Let's first ground ourselves in the very first chapter. What led to such a phenomenal success?

JuE Wong

executive
#4

Right. That's a very good question. And like anything you need to have a product line that works. And we have a product line that not only works but it's backed by patented and proven technology. So when we saw that growth, it was really because it delivered on its promise and people could see the results.

Jason English

analyst
#5

And that evidence, I think, was borne out first in the salon channel where they became phenomenal advocates for you. How critical were they to the rise and start-up of the Olaplex brand?

JuE Wong

executive
#6

The professional community, the stylist continues to be the backbone of who Olaplex is because when we do independent survey, whether many years in a row, we still show that the #1 source of truth is recommendations of hair stylist to their clients. So this is why when we talk about in our reset year, how important it is that we continue to engage them, educate them and support them.

Jason English

analyst
#7

And it sounds like that's where we should be. If that's tip of spear here. That's where we should be looking for proof points that the business is finding stability in turning. It's going to be led out at the professional channel. Is that your expectation?

JuE Wong

executive
#8

No, it is -- the professional channel, let's first define it. We are truly an omnichannel, right? The professional channel gives us what we call the credibility and the authority. The retail channel gives us brand awareness and the direct-to-consumer channel allows our consumers to have convenience where they can reach us wherever, whenever and however they want to. So it is synergistic. One channel cannot do without the other. But ultimately, the reset year is about building a stronger and more resilient Olaplex to really be able to target and work with all of these channels.

Jason English

analyst
#9

And why do we need a reset? And what drove -- the business was going exponential growth? What caused the pause? What caused the actually -- not to pause, the drop, like the drop in demand that's caused this reset.

JuE Wong

executive
#10

So you -- and definitely, Eric will build on this. You sort of said it yourself. We grew tremendously. When we went IPO -- following the IPO in September, we reported a plus 82%. And then a plus 112% and last year was a plus 18%. All of this growth was because we have products that work, our technology is there. And we felt like with -- all that is happening. We saw what was happening with the macroeconomics. We saw the promotionality that was happening in the category. The category is still the fastest-growing prestige hair category albeit at a slower pace, and there was also a lot of misinformation about Olaplex out there. We thought that it was important to take a reset because we could. We're still -- where we asked to cash generating, highly profitable, and we have the opportunity to really take this reset and get ourselves to a stronger and better place. So that is why we took it. And we feel like things are working out because we mentioned in our last -- in our Q1 earnings call that there were certain key things we were doing, spending and investing more behind sales and marketing, more education, engaging our stylists and having a more assertive PR program, and we were happy to report just on May 9 that from the Q1 reporting, our sell-through is stable, and we believe it will continue to do so.

Jason English

analyst
#11

Where is it stable? It's stable Q-on-Q, stable year-on-year? What does stable mean?

Eric Tiziani

executive
#12

Yes. The intent of that comment is to say that the sellout dollar trend in absolute dollars has stabilized across channels, and we track that through sell-out data that we receive from all of the accounts -- key accounts in the U.S. and most of our distributors internationally as well. That has stabilized since our Q4 call at the end of February up until this point. And we think that, that's step one, that's step. The actions we've taken have worked to stabilize that trend as we continue to invest and build momentum as we go into the second half of the year.

Jason English

analyst
#13

Is that like dollar, like-for-like?

Eric Tiziani

executive
#14

Yes. These are absolute dollars...

Jason English

analyst
#15

Because your distribution expansion still in the system, right?

Eric Tiziani

executive
#16

That's mostly in our international markets. And so on a like-for-like basis, step 1 was stabilized the sales against some of the challenges that we experienced in the last few quarters and build and build from there. And we believe in the investments and actions that we're taking will help us to build that momentum into the back half.

Jason English

analyst
#17

And the international business has been performing substantially better. Is that really just distribution? Or what do like-for-like sales look like internationally?

Eric Tiziani

executive
#18

Yes. It's not just distribution. So in the first quarter of the year, international sales were flat, relatively much better than the U.S. Within that, we have parts of the business in Western Europe, where we're deploying our omnichannel strategy. We've anniversaried a lot of the distribution gains there, but we're still seeing strong tailwinds. We have parts of the world, you know well, our cross-border e-commerce business into China is growing and becoming a more material part of our business there as well. Those are all tailwinds. Those were offset by some of the more mature international markets like the U.K., Australia, that had trends more similar to underlying trends in the U.S.

Jason English

analyst
#19

Okay. And I think the rumors, the bad PR, we're talking about the hair loss stuff, right?

Eric Tiziani

executive
#20

Yes.

Jason English

analyst
#21

And even I was looking on Sephora last week as I'm typing up some questions for this, and I'm looking at the reviews. And there's days old reviews that people say, my hair fell out. So it's -- and they're top, like I click a review, they're top of the list. It's the first thing I see as a consumer looking here. So it sounds like we haven't -- those haven't gone away. They're still pervasive. How do you get them to go away if they're not founded in something. Like if they're baseless, why are they still there and recurring so much?

JuE Wong

executive
#22

So I think what is important is to take a little bit of a step back. When we look at this, we also take independent sort of survey with a third party to come really understand where is the sentiment, where are the -- where is the conversation and where is the chatter and we are finding that positive sentiments are trending out. Negative sentiments are trending down. Yes, you are saying that when you go on certain sites, you're seeing some negative reviews, but we have been very clear and very transparent in making sure that we help ourselves kind of like look at where all those information is being directed. So we have published clear methodology of how our products are being tested so that they actually, we can prove that is compliant against FDA standards against the manufacturing compliance of safety and that our products do not cause hair loss or hair breakage. And when we are able to do that, not only through -- in a PR setting, but also in an education setting, with our stylists, with our business partners, with the beauty advisers, it will help intercept and bring the noise down. But we are not going to rest on the fact that sentiments have improved because you just brought it up, look, I'm seeing it on a reviewed website or a site. So we will continue to be diligent because ultimately, conversations need to be had, we are emphatic to the people going through this emotional toll, but we can category with the testing that we have done with the information that we have on our health hub, we are confident that our products do not cause hair loss or hair breakage.

Jason English

analyst
#23

Has anything changed in the formula? That's -- and you've been out there in the market for 9 years.

JuE Wong

executive
#24

Since 2014.

Jason English

analyst
#25

Yes. And nobody was complaining about losing their hair until all of a sudden, just a couple of months ago.

JuE Wong

executive
#26

Well, I don't think that people are complaining for the sake of complaining, right? I think what happens is -- it's a fact of life when a brand gets to a certain high profile, you generate a lot of buzz and interest, positive or negative. It is the job of the brand to help answer those misinformation.

Jason English

analyst
#27

And you weren't ready, right? You weren't ready to respond to that -- or respond to it quickly because you didn't have the right people, the right investment, the right capabilities. That's what's happening in the reset period.

JuE Wong

executive
#28

Well, I think the reset acknowledges the fact that we need to do more. We actually did come out and very transparently short and published the testing methodology. What we are saying is that we've been doing a lot of things, but what we need to do is more of that. So what are the more? The more is in sales and marketing. We have always been very focused on performance marketing, which is the lower funnel of marketing. We are now looking at a full funnel, which includes brand building, consideration, which is more like education and then the performance which we have always done. So it's amplifying what works for us and then double clicking on things on new activations that even perform better for us.

Jason English

analyst
#29

We just had WeightWatchers on stage beforehand. And we talked about media and they're spending a couple of hundred million behind their brand. We had Freshpet on earlier a small company, pet food company. They're spending $80 million in media buy, you don't really do any traditional media. Is that in the consideration as you're looking to go up the funnel.

JuE Wong

executive
#30

So if you think about it, when we started in 2014, we took a new model, but we also took a harder road. It is much easier or much harder, I would say, to try to build a relationship to build advocacy and to build long-lasting support for the brand. But that's what we took. We started with the stylist. We really gave them and elevated their artistry with the technology that we have. And now what we are already in this reset year is how do we help amplify the brand awareness so that pro community continues to benefit. Our retailers continue to have the ability to drive traffic to their doors and then our direct-to-consumer continues to provide that convenience. So it is very intentional where we have come from. You're absolutely right. In the beginning, it was more organic, but it was also very deliberate why we did, what we did because we needed to build the foundation. Now given our cash -- our ability to generate cash that we do, we are highly profitable, we can now invest more materially and more deliberately into the business.

Jason English

analyst
#31

Okay. And the long-entrenched relationships with the pros, the salon stylists out there. Have you seen any of that conviction that loyalty that commitment to you wane in the wake of some of these concerns out there?

JuE Wong

executive
#32

So they have struggled. I mean I'll be honest with you. They have struggled with all this misinformation coming at them. Hair stylists are very emotionally intelligent individuals. And when they see hurt like this, they want the brand to give them the tools to respond to it. So we have been doing that. We could have been faster in doing that. That's why we are doing what we're doing now in the reset year to provide them the tools, the knowledge to really help advocate for the brand in a way, in a knowledgeable way, not in a competitive way.

Jason English

analyst
#33

Okay. Okay. And are these concerns as pervasive internationally as they are in the U.S.

Eric Tiziani

executive
#34

So we talked about the international growth -- or that it was flat year-over-year in sales in the first quarter, more insulated, particularly in non-English-speaking markets than some of the trends we've seen in those markets in the U.S. And there are tailwinds there. And there's a tremendous amount of white space to continue that growth for years to come.

Jason English

analyst
#35

But it's flat with meaningful distribution expansion in pharmacies and more Douglas stores and Travel Retail suggesting that if we strip those out, the business is declining at probably a fairly substantial level in those markets as well.

Eric Tiziani

executive
#36

As I mentioned, there's a mix impact within there as well of those parts of the world that are in good growth levels and some of the markets that are more mature that were more impacted by some of the same challenges we've seen in the U.S.

Jason English

analyst
#37

And what are the same challenges?

Eric Tiziani

executive
#38

Like we said, macro misinformation and promotional intensity somewhat linked to the macro as well. The U.K. would be a good analogy example of that closer to the trends that we've seen in the U.S.

Jason English

analyst
#39

And the competitive piece is a bit surprising because my perception was you'd weathered a lot a storm. I mean years ago, Wella came out with Wella [indiscernible]. I mean you can't copycat any closer. L'Oréal had come out with a number of products. Estée had come out with Bumble and Bumble, the big well yield competitors had already come at you. And all of a sudden, the competition was an issue. I think your business was growing exponentially through that. What made it more vulnerable in the last year to competition?

JuE Wong

executive
#40

I think it's a tie-in with not only competition, but also the intensity in promotions. When you have promotions that are used to be promotions will calendarize. You can't know when they are coming, whether a retailer A was going to come up with an annual program. But today, you can tell almost every other week, people in this room itself, we'll be getting an e-mail soliciting that there is a special promotion and add on [indiscernible] what time it will last. Competition at the end of the day, we have not filed 1 competitor or 1 competitive set of brands that are taking material market share away from us. What we do believe is that the consumers may be interested to try something, and they will. I mean like it's human nature. But at the end of the day, we are very confident our product works because we have the technology not only to back it, we have the support of the stylists, and we are able to really show before and after they are very compelling. So the confidence is not from a fourth place, but rather seeing is believing and the products are delivering the results. And we are still the #1 brand across the channels, #1 prestige haircare brand across all the channels that we play in. And in virtually every segment that we participate in, we have the #1 brand, and we are a partner of choice with our retailers. So we need to really continue to capture that love and that interest and double-click on this reset year by investing behind it and really getting our message out collectively through all the cohorts in this space.

Jason English

analyst
#41

You're still the #1, but you're losing a lot of share year-on-year. Is that right?

JuE Wong

executive
#42

I think -- sorry, go ahead.

Eric Tiziani

executive
#43

Yes. If you look at the first quarter alone, we were lapping the incredibly successful launch that we had into Ulta in January of last year. So that is true. We declined more than what the category grew in the first quarter. And that was expected. That's what we included in our guidance outlook for the first quarter.

Jason English

analyst
#44

How about in Sephora.

Eric Tiziani

executive
#45

We don't comment on specific customer trends, but that's true across the NPD space, which captured specialty retail and direct retail.

Jason English

analyst
#46

Yes. I ask only because I totally get it on Ulta. I mean that was a massive launch with -- that was really, really heavily supported. So it's going to be hard to comp the comp but the rest of your retail universe doesn't have the same type of comps and hence the nature of the question.

JuE Wong

executive
#47

But ultimately, like I said, we are still the #1 brand for them. We are still the #1 in every segment that we play. So what I want to kind of like emphasize is the fact that we are still a partner of choice with them, and our consumers are still there. I mean, I was just there at 45th Avenue this Saturday. And 50% of the customers that came were new to brand and the other 50% were customers who are familiar with us. And nobody in that consumer set. I mean, I sold to at least 21 customers, one every 9 minutes. It really shows that the brand resonates.

Jason English

analyst
#48

Yes, yes. And for a cohort of consumers who has a problem, this stuff works phenomenally well, right? It solves a problem. But it seems like there was a cohort of consumers who were buying it in the last year or 2. We didn't really have a promise solved or that to have a problem solved. They were there because it was the hot new thing. Is that fair? Is that a reasonable interpretation and kind of what's happened here? And how do you become a little more targeted going forward to make sure that you get the product in the right people's hands. The consumer who's got a problem and therefore, they're going to be a repeat consumer and not just "Oh, this is me. And now I'm moving on to the next shiny new toy that comes around."

JuE Wong

executive
#49

So sampling is one of the key proven sort of programs that we have done in the past and we will continue to do so. We have also said in our earnings call that there will be 10 million pieces of samples out there getting into the hands of people. And every time we sample, our conversion rate is anywhere between 25% to 35%. So we feel confident that there is a way for us to get back at the consumers who have not tried us, get to the consumers who have tried us but may not be familiar with some of the other products we have in our line-up. And ultimately, it is still education. Till today, our first scheme that we launched, people still think it is a protein mask, and it's not. It is a bond building treatment. So think about it after 9 years, hearing the same song, they are still singing the wrong lyric. So we need to correct that.

Eric Tiziani

executive
#50

And I would just also add to that, think about some of our recent product launches. Our dry shampoo this year, or clarifying shampoo and our hair serum last year. There are primary benefits of those products, which are to be the very best dry shampoo that we can offer to the consumer. The secondary benefit is the bond building technology. So it's not all the primary benefit in every product we're offering. We're also offering new technologies in these spaces that really broaden the consumer base that we're able to reach.

Jason English

analyst
#51

Yes. Yes. Innovations has been contributor; distribution has been a contributor. I was surprised to find your product now being sold on Walmart. And it looks like it's a 1P because Walmart is saying, "We're fulfilling it." It's not the marketplace type product. Is that are you selling to Walmart?

Eric Tiziani

executive
#52

We are not. No, thank you for asking, and we covered this a little bit. We attended to last week on our earnings call, our business model has not changed. We are not selling directly into for example, U.S. mass, drug, grocery customers. What you're seeing there is diverted products into those customers. Sadly, this is very common in the professional hair care category in space. You'll see other brands in those channels through diversion as well. We take it very seriously. We don't just rest on that. We have technology in place. We have levers that we do seek to pull legally, operationally and with the QR codes that we have in the product to trace back of the product. And we intend to root that out. It's not easy to do overnight. It's there because the product is in high demand. And we do track it through data sources like Nielsen and it is still relatively small in terms of actual volume going through those channels, but it's noticeable and we want to root that out.

Jason English

analyst
#53

If Nielsen's picking it up, right? I mean it's not going through the brick-and-mortar or are you actually seeing it in store?

Eric Tiziani

executive
#54

No, no, no. So we've seen what you've seen, Jason, which is Walmart one and some other channels just not about that customer.

Jason English

analyst
#55

Yes. So I mean it sounds like it's 1 of your distributors who else has the...

Eric Tiziani

executive
#56

So what we have to see is one thing that's common in these cases is aggregator distributors that are taking small bits of volume from lots of places and bring it to these customers. And even though it might be small volume, they might take them up on that.

Jason English

analyst
#57

Sure. Like we see [indiscernible] on Costco. That's on [indiscernible]. So to your point, it happens. Okay. So let's just make a list here real quick of all the initiatives you have. You mentioned 10 million samples. When and where are those samples?

JuE Wong

executive
#58

So they have started being deployed as of February of this year, and they are going to Sephora, Ulta as well and Ulta specifically in the 1,300 salons that everybody gets -- who gets the service will get a sample. In terms of Sephora, it will be what they call buy online, pick up in store. We are also doing samples with the beauty supplies locations. So all of this will have some sort of feedback and return reported to us somewhere in Q3 of this year.

Jason English

analyst
#59

Okay. Okay. And then you've got your feet on the street sales force out there touching 400 stores.

JuE Wong

executive
#60

400 stores and they have been deployed at this time, and we will be measuring them as it goes. And when we did that last year with 75 stores as a pilot test, we saw a lift in those stores where we do have people in those premises.

Jason English

analyst
#61

And that's happening now. And then you've got your salon education program.

JuE Wong

executive
#62

Yes. And so the education program has always been ongoing, but we are going to amplify even more because online education is one thing, but in person. I mean like the word is coming back, look at this conference. I mean, everyone is mean not in this hall, but definitely in all the...

Jason English

analyst
#63

There's a lot of people. The [ 2801 ] [indiscernible] happening, there's a lot of people out there.

JuE Wong

executive
#64

Yes. Exactly.

Jason English

analyst
#65

Okay. And sorry, when does the amplification start on that?

JuE Wong

executive
#66

So it's ongoing, and we have already deployed the people in there. What I think you're also alluding to is the fact that we are also -- we have hired people to really target what we call the key opinion leaders a lot. These are salons that are very influential to the other hair stylists, and that is a group of the launch that we are going after, and we have hired people that will be knocking on doors, calling them. And once they are secured, their mode of operating is they actually would order online with us rather than having us see them on a frequent basis. But our interaction with them will be education, eventing and support for them.

Jason English

analyst
#67

Okay. Okay. And what are the other chunky initiatives that are being deployed.

JuE Wong

executive
#68

We also have on the upper funnel, out-of-home advertising, connected TV, digital advertising across the online medium and all those are rolling out at the end of May.

Jason English

analyst
#69

End of May. Okay. And then you've got an aggressive PR campaign reported...

JuE Wong

executive
#70

Which is already ongoing, yes, since February. So that continues. And we are also putting together a scientific advisory board that's being assembled as we speak and should be deployed anytime soon.

Jason English

analyst
#71

That sounds like it's additive to the PR stuff. It's integrated within that. All right. What other chunky levers, orders that in? That's a big list, by the way.

JuE Wong

executive
#72

No, that's a big list. And I think what Eric has always been very clear with the whole entire team is that let's track, measure and see what works. And when it works, we are going to double click on it. And we don't have to wait until year-end to know, right? As these things are being deployed especially for the conversion part, the sampling and the people in store. If it works, we can immediately see what the response is. In terms of the upper funnel, the branding in terms of the advertising. What we will need to do is measure on a monthly and quarterly basis, the brand sentiment, brand health and brand awareness metrics. All that would then tell us what is working and what is not working because when we tested it in November and December last year in New York City in Times Square and Soho, we found that when those billboards were there, and directed to a call to action to the surrounding stores, those stores saw a lift.

Jason English

analyst
#73

Okay. And I imagine you're tracking NPS levels with small professional stylists.

JuE Wong

executive
#74

Correct.

Jason English

analyst
#75

Okay. How are they trending now?

JuE Wong

executive
#76

At the moment, we still see -- so we do independent third-party surveys through that. Overwhelmingly, 80% to 90% have told us that they want to continue to buy our products, will recommend it to their clients. And if they're not certified by Olaplex, they intend to get certified.

Jason English

analyst
#77

Okay. That sounds okay.

JuE Wong

executive
#78

It's early days, but we believe that they are working. That's what's important.

Jason English

analyst
#79

So these are the proof points -- these are the investments and the proof points are going to be evident, should be evident as we get to the third quarter and into the fourth quarter. We're going to know if this stuff is working and if the base business has indeed turned a corner. And then we can start to focus on how you will add on to the base. But if the base is leaking out, it's kind of a moot point. Before I pivot to that, how we add on to the base. Any questions from the audience? I don't see any hands raising. So we'll just keep this going. Okay. So that's how we get like-for-like sales back up and growing. Then we've got expansion opportunities on top of that, both distribution, geographic reach as well as product segment stuff. Let's attack both, which one do you want to attack first, which one matters to you more, I suppose, in terms of building out the portfolio from a product perspective versus building out your distribution and geographic reach.

JuE Wong

executive
#80

So the good news with our product portfolio is that we have a clear line of sight all through 2028 because it takes 24 months to really build an any launch innovation. So we have that. We have always said -- fundamentals of our category is strong. The fundamentals of our brand is just as strong and if you look at the run rate that we have, we are in the U.S., 50% of our business is in the U.S., about 50% is international, but primarily in Europe and the U.K. We have the rest of the world Latin America, the middle East, Asia. We started, obviously, in China, as you know, we have reported, albeit it's a smaller business, but we started in 2020 on cross-border. At any time, if we did nothing, they're the top 9 brands in -- on Tmall cross-border. And when we have activation like 11.11, 618, they are the top 3 brands, [indiscernible], sorry with that. So I think international is as important to us as our product innovation as our people are, and we've been building the infrastructure. Eric, I think if you want to build on that.

Eric Tiziani

executive
#81

I think you said it on international, JuE, and just on the product offering opportunity. First, within hair care, we still have many subsegments of the category that we don't exist in yet, which are incremental opportunities to us. Again, examples like a dry shampoo. Before we came out with that dry shampoo, you had to go off brand to have that in your regimen and we have many more examples like that in the pipeline.

Jason English

analyst
#82

Like styling products come to up in line...

Eric Tiziani

executive
#83

That's a subsegment. So we have some styling products are No. 6 smoother or No. 7 oil and our No. 9 serum or used as styling products, but there are other styling products that don't exist in our portfolio today that represent significant opportunities for us.

JuE Wong

executive
#84

However you look at it, right? We have 12 retail SKUs. We get about the backlog as 4 of them. 12 retail SKUs guided this year in a range that -- the productivity is really high. Compare us to any other brand out there to generate the revenue that we have, they need at least 100 SKUs. So you can tell not only our runway for distribution expansion in international is great. Our runway in product innovation is just as [ material ].

Jason English

analyst
#85

No. Yes. Yes, I hear you. And the metrics as I see today are still very impressive and clearly not reflecting your stock, right? Your valuation is cheap even if your business was stable with the amount of cash it spits off, suggesting, of course, investors don't believe it were going to be stable, but it's going to continue to shrink. So they're valuing a smaller business, I think consensus estimates have today. And it all roots back to skepticism on the ability to resuscitate a brand like this. So I'm curious. Are there case studies you're looking at? Because that's part of the thing. People and investors are like, "Hey, give me precedence of a brand that's gone through this cycle had just phenomenal growth, came crashing down and then turns back up like MAVERICK and the movie shooting back up over the -- up the mountain." Are you aware Of any of those? What are the case studies.

JuE Wong

executive
#86

I would like to turn that question to you. You covered so many companies. What do you think?

Jason English

analyst
#87

In the shorter time frame, I can't think of any. I can definitely think of brands that got higher, let's take Beer Pap as an example, old mature brands that almost have a degree to nostalgia and find a degree of revitalization years down the road because of something like that, but rich in heritage and that's a different type of thing. I struggle. I haven't come up with a good example.

Eric Tiziani

executive
#88

I would just say 2 things. One, I do want to refocus on the longer arc here. So the incredible growth that we've had in the business, triple digit for many years in a row, it's still even 18% growth last year was ahead of the category. And so you say crashing down, this is a reset year. It's difficult in that sense. But we believe the reset is there to unlock this next of growth for the business. And I don't like to use different company's names, but one of the analogies and examples that's been given to us, a business that we have a tremendous amount of respect for is a business like e.l.f. that also went public, went through a period and then is obviously performing very well today.

Jason English

analyst
#89

Yes. I actually look at that case study a little bit closer. Okay. Any questions from the audience? No, then let's wrap it. You guys have had a phenomenal run. This is interesting. It's -- I hope this is just a transition phase. I think it is. And I think there's going to be real value creation on the horizon. But it's going to be a show-me story as the back of the year progresses. But I appreciate you detailing everything that you're doing, and now we know what to look for and the key proof points to monitor as we progress through the year. So thank you so much.

JuE Wong

executive
#90

Thank you.

Eric Tiziani

executive
#91

Thanks, everyone.

JuE Wong

executive
#92

Thank you.

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