Omni-Lite Industries Canada Inc. (OML) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
October 3, 2023
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
David Robbins
executiveLadies and gentlemen, welcome to the Annual and Special Meeting, the meeting of the shareholders of Omni-Lite Industries Canada Inc. Corporation. My name is David Robbins, CEO of Omni-Lite Industries Canada Inc. and I'd like to welcome all of you here today on behalf of the corporation, and thank you for attending. I'd like to introduce Roger Dent, who will act as the Chair of the meeting.
Roger Dent
executiveThank you, Dave. Meeting will now come to order. I will ask Andrew Armstrong of Peterson McVicar LLP to act as Secretary of the meeting. I've requested that Elissa Rojo and [ Kesa Rashiq, ] representatives from Computershare Investor Services Inc., the Registrar and Transfer Agent for the corporation shares serve as scrutineer for the meeting. Is anyone here who has not registered with the scrutineer, could you please do so now. I have the scrutineer's preliminary written report on attendance, which indicates a quorum of not less than 2 persons who are entitled to vote as required by Section 10, 11 of the corporation's bylaws. Unless there are any objections, I will dispense with reading of the report. Before commencing with the business of the meeting, I would like to comment on the voting procedures. Shareholders will be asked to pass certain resolutions. Simple majority of affirmative votes cast in person or by proxy will be required to pass the ordinary resolutions to be heard today at the meeting. A super majority representing 2/3 of 100 votes cast in person or by proxy will be required to pass the special resolutions being heard today at the meeting. Unless the poll is requested or otherwise acquired, voting will be conducted by saying I and each shareholder entitled to vote will have one vote. Shareholders wishing to raise questions or comments pertaining to the business before the meeting speak up and when recognized by the Chairman, address their comments to the Chairman. There will be additional time for general questions and comments following the conclusion of the formal meeting. The notice call of this meeting was sent on August 29, 2023 to the registered shareholders and non-objecting beneficial owners of record as of August 21, 2023. By a proof of mailing and is available for inspection on request unless there are any objections, I'll dispense with reading of the notice of the meeting. I now refer to the meeting to be regularly called and broadly constituted for the transaction business. As stated on Page 14 of the incorporation's information circular First item of business is for shareholders to receive the audited financial statements for the year ended December 31, 2022, together with the auditor's report thereon, copies of which were mailed to shareholders still requested. I now place these before the meeting. Unless anyone objects, I will now ask that someone move and second the resolution that the auditor's report be taken as read.
Unknown Executive
executiveI so move.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeI second.
Roger Dent
executiveI'll ask those in favor to signify by saying I. Oppose if any. Motion has been carried. As said on Page 14, the circular to the next item of business is to fix the number of directors at 5. Unless anyone objects, I will now ask that someone move that the number of directors be fixed at 5.
Unknown Executive
executiveIf I so move.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeI second.
Roger Dent
executiveI will ask all those in favor to signify by saying I. Oppose if any. Motion has been carried. As said on Pages 14 and 15 of the circular, the next item of business is the election of directors, names of the 5 nominees to the Board of Directors in ensuing year are set up in the Corporation's information circular. I declare David Robbins, Charles Samkoff, Roger Dent, Patrick Hutchins; and Jan Holland to be nominated for election to the Board. Only the election of those persons named in the corporation's information circular may be voted for by proxy. Registered shareholders present at the meeting, may cast their votes to the election of any other person nominated on the floor other than management's nominees named in information circular. For this meeting, no one has been nominated in accordance with the procedures set out in the company's advanced notice bylaw. Accordingly, no further nominations facility, et cetera. I hereby declare the nominations closed. Can someone move therefore a resolution for the election of the versions nominated as directors.
Unknown Executive
executiveI so move.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeI second the motion.
Roger Dent
executiveThe motion is now open for discussion. If there's no discussion, I will ask all those in favor to signify by saying I. Oppose if any. Motion has been carried. There are being only 5 nominees and 5 positions to be filled, and they're now being [indiscernible] to elect those nominees, I now declare David Robbins, Charles Samkoff, Roger Dent, Patrick Hutchins, Jan Holland to be elected as directly to the corporation hold office until the close of the next Annual meeting of the corporation or until their successors are duly elected or appointed in accordance with the provisions of the corporation's points. As said on Page 16 of the circular, the next item of business is the appointment and remuneration of auditors of the corporation. I have the motion that MNP LLP [indiscernible] accounts and they are [indiscernible] the corporation's auditors until the next Annual Meeting of Shareholders following this meeting with a remuneration to be approved by the Board of Directors.
Unknown Executive
executiveI so move.
Roger Dent
executiveI second the motion. The motion is now open for discussion. There's no discussion, I'll ask those in favor to signify by saying I. The motion has been carried. As said on Page 16 of the circular, the next item of business is to ratify and improve the continuation of the corporation's stock option plan. The auction plan is a 10% rolling stock auction plan, whereby the number of common shares available for issuance is equal to 10% of the issued and outstanding common shares. I now have a motion for the approval of the corporation's auction plan.
Unknown Executive
executiveI so move.
Roger Dent
executiveI second the motion. Motion is now open for discussion. There's no discussion, I will ask all those in favor to signify by saying I. Motion has been carried. We have concluded the formal business of the meeting. Is there any other matter that a shareholder wishes to raise? There's no further business to be brought before the meeting. I will now call for a motion that meeting to be terminated, following which we will be available to address shareholders' questions.
Unknown Executive
executiveI so move.
Roger Dent
executiveI second the motion. Motion is open for discussion. There's no discussion, I'll ask almost in favor to signify by saying I. Oppose if any? I declare the motion carried and the meeting terminated. Thank you for attending.
David Robbins
executiveWell, I'd like to take the opportunity to say a few words. Omni-Lite continues finishing our third quarter on an upward trajectory. Driven by demand for domestic supplies of rescission aerospace and defense, hardware and electronics. The major drivers for this are commercial and aerospace recovery and expansion needs for precision engineered fasteners and a growing missile defense electronics or PAC-3 capability and newly developed missile sensor electronics. Additionally, aerospace and defense castings for fluid management engine components and defense related electronics and structural and sensor components castings. These are connected to larger global needs for commercial growing commercial air transport growth in fleet and in fleet modernization, national defense and security needs in an increasing unstable world and increased industrial automation and robotics. We feel that Omni-Lite is well positioned to capitalize with our expertise in manufacturing on these growing trends. With that, I open up for any questions or comments.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderI have a question here, John Tukums here a shareholder. This is a question to the Board of Directors that have lower stock ownership in the company. If you care to disclose your position and you kind of share what you'd like to see in the company in order to invest more personally in the company. And it's not to put you on the spot is to gather insights that would be valuable to us, David.
David Robbins
executiveSure. So I guess on the call today, I see we have Chuck Samkoff and Jan Holland. I assume that the question is probably not directed at Jan because he's a very significant shareholder and they go together with his family. In my own case, I don't know the number offhand. I think it's about 175,000 shares that I have together with my family, which I think is in a range that is material. And I think it's not an unreasonable amount of shares for a record of all and being a shareholder for many, many years. So I'm not sure that the question is directed at me, but if it is what I'd be looking for, I'd say, to a more probably -- it relates to larger market questions rather than Omni-Lite questions at this stage. It would probably for me be a improvement in the general tone in the small-cap marketplace as opposed to anything related to the company specifically, which I think at this stage, we're after a couple of tough years, during COVID, I think we're now a little bit at a much more interesting future. Jan I see you put your camera on. I don't know if you wanted to answer at this stage or Chuck, if you're there?
Jan Holland
executiveJan here. I'm happy to jump in. So I support totally what Dave and the team [indiscernible] sorry, inside Omni-Lite, my apologies. I think the track they're on and the careful stewardship that they're running of the business is outstanding. I also like the fact that they are considering potential acquisitions and things of that sort. So I think the team is on a very constructive path and I think as Roger just alluded to, when the marketplace gets a little more friendly, I think you're going to see between management actions and marketplace environment, the business is going to go forward really well. So I think we got 3 really strong operating visions that have a good future, and I know they're looking to add things to that. of.
Charles Samkoff
executiveThis is Chuck Samkoff. Just to add to Roger and Jan's comments, I do also echo what's occurring at Omni-Lite, both at DP cast out in the West Coast, Northeast and Nashville. I think we've come out of the consequences of COVID and the -- what was the exogenous events of commercial aerospace, and I think fully supportive, and I have very good perspective that things are improving. I think Q2 and as Dave alluded to, I think Q3 will be a further indication. I've been a long-term option warrant holder. And so I do, myself and my family will continue to increase our position in Omni-Lite. And as I said, I think we've got the right team. We've got the right assets. And ultimately, I think we're in a great position to exploit what is a cycle in the industry to deliver where others are not. Roger, can you hear me?
Patrick Hutchins
executiveRoger, can you hear me?
Roger Dent
executiveYes, go ahead, Pat.
Patrick Hutchins
executiveYes, it's Patrick Hutchins. So I'm on the West Coast. So I'm in proxy Omni-Lite and I've been involved for several years and that has been a foundation [indiscernible] It's a foundation of our business. Relationship aerospace industry. I'm from the aerospace industry. I wouldn't be involved unless I felt like we had strong foundation [indiscernible] we continue to grow our business side [indiscernible] castings with the military defense. So I'm also still in the market. Strong feeling towards trajectory. And my position in the company is I think approximately 50,000 shares which I purchased during COVID [indiscernible]
Roger Dent
executiveDoes that answer your question?
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderDave, speaking of acquisitions, could you give us a little more color on how things are developing at DP cast?
David Robbins
executiveWell, we've been quite active and the marketplace is pretty open. I think coming out of COVID and now seeing the recovery of aerospace. There's been a softening, I think, more a realization of the future. So it's a fertile marketplace. We've been in discussions with several companies and the investment thesis is if it expands and augments our current precision manufacturing capability. So the profile would be smaller to a midsized company that has some technology that would expand our business and adds to our platform of precision manufacturing capabilities for aerospace and defense.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderYes. I was actually asking more about the DP cast and whether that might be turning profitable anytime soon.
David Robbins
executiveWell, we're certainly on that trajectory. To be profitable. And we -- like -- I think I mentioned back at a conference call 1 or 2 of below is that we have many, many examples of the same kind of profit margin, our profit margin target at DP cast for some very high-performance precision casting. So it's our model and our belief that we'll get there because we have many, many examples of it within the company. And the reputation is well received at customers. So the customer is perceiving that high quality and they're looking for more castings. Our quoting has been very robust. So that's what gives me the confidence that they'll be a contributor.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderYes. I understand it was rather a tough turnaround, would you be kind of -- would you wait until you have been totally successful with DP cast before you make other acquisitions? Or how do you how do you feather that in new acquisitions with a previous acquisition that's not yet profitable?
David Robbins
executiveWell, I certainly -- and the belief that it will be a contributor. So with that belief and my experience tells me that I can -- there was some confidence in that, that we've been out looking because we feel like as that close that this isn't a project that it's going to be years and more years in the making. They're plus.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderAnd how would you fund acquisitions that you're looking at?
David Robbins
executiveVery creatively. Well, every deal has its -- the seller has notions and what it wants, and we certainly have many levers to pull. And so there's not -- certainly one size fits all. I think you really have to tailor into the target and what their needs are. And certainly, what our equity value is at that time. So there's no one answer.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderThat's the point I was getting here. I certainly wouldn't encourage you to use equity on acquisition. Well, at this price.
David Robbins
executiveYes. Yes. Well, we're hopeful that we're not going to be in this place for much longer, but we have to deal with what we have to deal with. But certainly, we would look at all mechanisms to fund a deal.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderYes. No, I guess you've -- it was kind of a broken record on this, but before you do any acquisitions, I think it's important to not understand how attractive your own equity is and establish or at least consider some sort of a buyback but you've heard that from me before and so that's okay.
David Robbins
executiveWell, no, it's something that the Board has and will continue to consider. It's another mechanism certainly in that whole range of financing.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderThen just a follow-up question as it relates to -- number one, just if you could speak to the company's cash position and then also kind of speak to kind of the share premium, whatever you want to call it, that's kind of the market recognizing the company in a better spot whether it's $1.40 per share or $1.50 per share, that's the kind of the sweet spot to do acquisitions in the future. So if you could kind of speak to kind of how you look at cash at this stage. Obviously, with the market, you've seen signs of moving, there's also kind of that was kind of behind the scenes talks of recession coming not at the end of this year, but potentially 2024 et cetera? And then also kind of just how you kind of view maybe as it relates to the company that you ran in the past using equity as a tool to kind of drive those acquisitions. I understand there's probably some middle ground, obviously, with -- in terms of acquisitions. But we speak to the cash and also just kind of the share price and when you can use it more efficiently.
David Robbins
executiveSo reflecting back to Q2, we were virtually sort of neutral in cash. We're looking to generate cash, the part of getting DP cast group to contribute will contribute to that. So we're looking to be cash positive. We're running I would say we're structured lean in order to generate cash. And most of our growth is coming from core products that we're not spending a lot in R&D or taking unnecessary risks. It's -- we're methodical. So our expectation is to be generating cash generating and not consume cash as we head into 2024.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderAnd then part 2 is just in terms of being able to leverage the share price at some point in time in the future. Any color around that, how you kind of worked. I can't recall the past company that you ran was private. I think it was public, but maybe just kind of how you're kind of leveraging when the share price rises, et cetera, kind of in the future.
David Robbins
executiveYes. The previous company was public, and we did -- market conditions there we mostly use debt and in that case, while the -- there was some equity used one deal, primarily debt, but it's a different landscape today. And part of our focus is to be able to use our stock as currency and doing things that taking activities to make that happen.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderCan I ask about your whole California [indiscernible] technology that is to the is, I think, been doing very well recently, and if you are looking at potential acquisition opportunities, could your holdings in California it's on the that side or the equity side be monetized or just not any acquisitions growing in.
David Robbins
executiveWell, it's something we would look at. We haven't changed our position there. But and certainly, our -- we're happy to see that CalNano is doing better. We had some insight to believe that would happen. So gratifying to see that it's coming along nicely. So it's something that we would consider.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderI assume it was like you wouldn't be able to divest of your 20%. You need a strategic buyer basically for a stake that large.
Roger Dent
executiveWell, I don't think there's any immediate plans or anything, but CalNano is in the market currently trying to raise funds. Deal is in marketing. It hasn't closed, okay? But we're seeing very strong interest. And so if Omni-Lite wanted to sell shares, quite -- it might quite well be possible CalNano has found some good interest in recent months. And one of the challenges is that there's no stock for anyone to buy. I think it is something that would potentially be possible and wouldn't necessarily be a strategic buyer. It's not obvious to me who the strategic buyer would be conceivably might be a customer or maybe some manufacturing entity, but that's -- it's an interesting but esoteric business.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderIs there any strategic reason at this point for Omni-Lite to have a financial investment in CalNano?
David Robbins
executiveThere's no -- from a business -- there's no business strategy really.
Roger Dent
executiveI think CalNano certainly aspires to be a debt-free typical growth company, we would like to pay that debt off. I can't say when it's going to happen. I mean it's obviously been a very long-standing situation, but we have made some progress over the course of the last couple of years. We aspire to grow and to raise equity to expand our operations, whether it will happen that remains to be seen. But we would like to get that one [indiscernible].
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderThe sort of financing that CalNano in the market with right now, the use of proceeds for that financing is for growth capital? Or is it just to repay the debt?
David Robbins
executiveNo, it's not going to pay the debt. There may be a partial conversion of debt to equity by Omni-Lite because otherwise, it would be diluted. But CalNano hopes to grow capacity, and that requires capital growing capacity, given order lead times, that might be a couple of year process. But we want to be in a position that if we choose to grow and we have to add facilities, if we have to make deposits on equipment purchases that we're in a position to do that. We also just in the last year or 2, we've finally been in a position to add people. We added someone who has made some great contributions in terms of market development. We'd like to be able to invest in that. The company spent its entire life with kind of no cash, right? So it's finally got the luxury of having a balance sheet where it can think about growth investment and it's just something we would like to be able to do it.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderTo so you mentioned that [indiscernible] a portion of the set in CalNano into equity in [indiscernible] finance?
David Robbins
executiveYes, it's in the press -- it's in the press release.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderWhy would that happen?
David Robbins
executiveI think it has a number of benefits. I mean, first of all, it deploys solution and ultimately, means in the future of the company, we want to see dilution. The debt is currently carried on the books at nil. So if Omni-Lite convert debt to equity would then be carried on the books and the market value of the CalNano share wise. So it creates an equity gain for us if you look to a conversion.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderOkay. What terms would the conversion happen?
David Robbins
executiveThe approval from the TSX Venture is $0.15 or $0.15 per share. The TSX Venture Exchange was not approved the unit deal that is being marketed, but they did agree to the same price of common shares. So obviously, $0.15 conversion price also looks quite attractive.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderSo the net will convert $0.15 a share and the stock is now at...
David Robbins
executiveYes. But we're only talking about a relative time I think the press release speaks to a I believe it is 180,000 cap. So we're only talking about a small amount.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderJust to keep on the 20%? Okay.
David Robbins
executiveAnd there is a relationship between CalNano and Omni-Lite sort of characterized in a nurturing way, locating in the same building in California. There is occasionally some shared resources and in many times, there are some common customers. So maybe not a direct relationship, but one more nurturing and helping each other grow. We're sort of -- Omni-Lite maybe a little bit of the big brother, but that's sort of the characterized relationship too.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderQuestion about precision casting. Specifically, I guess, aerospace casting sounds very high-tech and exotic. But my last experience where the precision Aerospace casting it's called [indiscernible] industries. They made magnesium castings very complex for black helicopters. They finally got taken out by the general aerospace at a discount to book value. So I'm wondering is given that you're a very small presume like a Tier 3 supplier to much bigger companies, is it intrinsically a profitable industry to be in?
David Robbins
executiveWell, I do believe that's what my comments saying in modeling, I believe it's a profitable endeavor. I think if you stick to what how to do. So if we were talking about casting some new metals that have no heritage. I think you could find yourself spending a lot of money on getting traction. But we're casting the same materials that the company styled it on in many ways, have a long heritage on many airborne platforms. And what we're finding is in the news recently, it was some castings that have found their way into sub jet engines that were counterfeit. So some of that happens because the drive to resource castings and other precision things internationally. So there's definitely a push for more domestic production. And some of these parts, they're not millions in the quantity. Quantities might be hundreds or several hundred. So it could be a nice niche business where you have a local, a big customer is Pratt and so it very much, I think, models to a profitable business if you sit to which we are sticking to what we know how to do and leveraging those needs that are coming back from engine suppliers.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderAnd the most recent quarterly MD&A, I think mentioned that on the overhead expenses were down partly as a function of a lower [indiscernible] expense. But there's no explanation as to [indiscernible] What would that be?
David Robbins
executiveWell, actually, we don't really try to necessarily break it out, although it is what it is. So when we say overhead, that is people, overhead people. So I guess in my comment of saying we try to run lean is we try to leverage our business systems. So our business systems include product availability and pricing and cost models and that leads to engage customers and customer engagement so if you have some good systems, you can do more or less. So that's been a strategic sort of platform is how to lean on the top of the company.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderThat's when the acquisitions you mentioned you'd be looking at businesses that complement your prediction manufacturing capabilities. Like the company is already 3 quite different, I guess, manufactory modalities and geographically you pretty disseminated for a company your size. I mean, would you be looking at getting into another kind of vertical in terms of type of manufacturing and geographically, does it make sense to start to try to add some path to the businesses you're sort of already in? Or are you looking to expand geographically and...
David Robbins
executiveYes. Well, I think the best example would be one, which are complementary to one of the 3 we have. So electronics castings, metal forming, for example, let's say, a machining center that would really could complement both forming and casting because they work, very few parts as cast were wind up on a jet engine. There is some machining and processing. So that would be a good example of leveraging capability on 2, and that particular case two manufacturing competencies. There are others that could involve, let's say, casting and electronics, where a small sensor that has a very densely packed electronics, along with a very precision casting could be a very interesting sort of play too. So I think ideally, we would look to -- and I think there's going to be chances that it would involve 1 or 2 of our basic manufacturing. I mean that's sort of how the test is that it's really a core-based manufacturing competency because it will work with others.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderI guess I just worry about you being stretched too thin, but the operations are too different and they're too spread out. And if you start in a fourth one, that's something totally different from what you're already doing? I think this just to that.
David Robbins
executiveWell, one thing we do to narrow that feeling of, I guess, distance is we made full use as a lot of companies do now with whether it's video conferencing as we're doing here, but not just video conferencing, but sharing best practices, actually, our business systems, our business systems, we're running on the same exact platform. And in many cases, we're running some of the same, not just, let's say, you were running SAP but using it totally differently. Our business systems are very, very integrated so in all 3 divisions are AS9100, and there's opportunity to almost be on the same AS certificate because we're so close. So that tends to really shrink that feeling of footprint. There's a lot of shared best practices. And so I think that tends to -- and it's very easy to manage because access to data, you know what you're looking at, it may be consolidation and looking at financials and financial modeling, very easy, too. Any further questions?
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderYes, just it's an overarching question. In this environment, what do you view as a decent return for our shareholders. A lot of us have been shareholders for quite a few years. We've had ups and downs. There was a time that the share buyback started at $1.60 per share. I remember many years ago, it was the former CEO. And kind of what do you view kind of as we kind of finish off 2023, I know that there's kind of nice trajectory as you're closing out the year. But just kind of any comments that you want to make on that?
David Robbins
executiveWell, it's certainly a million dollar question, right? But -- and certainly, with our trajectory of having now some back in the positive EBITDA territory, I would say we look to what is reasonable multiples on our EBITDA, but would be how we were basically looking at a goal. And in this market, our size, it's not always easy to attain that. So there's where we look at our activities to see what we can do to make sure that we're noticed.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderAnd where are you going to get noticed by investors?
Roger Dent
executiveWell, right now, I think the biggest thing is to improve our performance. So top line and bottom line increase is probably the single biggest thing we can do before we start, that's the base. So -- and I think we can pivot quickly when we start demonstrating that track record of consistency and we're pretty -- we like the fact this year is playing out. Of course, it could have been better on the bottom line. But certainly, the metrics and the trajectory you're showing that -- and our belief is that we didn't -- we're going to sustain this.
Unknown Shareholder
shareholderAll right. That was an interesting comment you made, Roger. You seem to apply that the earnings that you're going to have this year, not what you had thought you have at the beginning of the year. I may have read too much into that. But and I would guess that the reason for that and to a large part would be the slowness of the DP caster. Am I totally off based on that?
Roger Dent
executiveNo, I think we previously said that it's been a little more sluggish than would have necessarily anticipated, but we model it, and we're very optimistic about -- I think it's the same thread that you were talking about earlier. Any more questions? That's great. Thank you all for attending.
David Robbins
executiveThank you.
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