OPENLANE, Inc. (OPLN) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

June 23, 2026

NYSE US Industrials Commercial Services and Supplies conference_presentation 33 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

John Babcock

analyst
#1

All right. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us for our first Barclays U.S. Auto Retail Summit. My name is John Babcock, and I'm the lead analyst covering the sector. So today, we're going to be hosting a number of sessions that we hope you will find valuable. Replays will be available later today. [Operator Instructions]. So first, we're here to welcome OPENLANE and very pleased to have with us CEO, Peter Kelly; and CFO, Brad Herring. As I mentioned, I'm going to go through a couple of questions with the team and hopefully address some of your questions.

John Babcock

analyst
#2

So I guess just to start out, Peter and Brad, it would be great if you could just give an overview for those who are not super familiar with the story of OPENLANE's business. And also what some of the key drivers of its growth will be over the coming years.

Peter Kelly

executive
#3

Thanks, John. Good morning, everybody. Delighted to be here, John. So looking forward to the session here this morning. So OPENLANE, we are a leader in the digital marketplace for wholesale used vehicles, okay? So a digital marketplace for used vehicles in the wholesale channel. Wholesale really means between businesses -- our customers are principally automotive dealers, both franchise and independent, but we also have a significant part of our business focused on commercial sellers, which are typically OEMs or captive finance -- automotive captive finance companies or automotive finance companies. So that's the business we serve. It's a large TAM. It's -- ebbs and flows a little bit. It's pretty stable TAM over time. The industry has historically been more of a physical auction business, but it's been transitioning steadily in a more digital direction over the past number of years. And OPENLANE is focused on being a leader in the digital marketplace side of that business. Rough stats last 2025, close to 1.5 million vehicles sold, just under $2 billion in revenues, $333 million of EBITDA. The business is organized in 2 segments; a Marketplace segment, which is, as I've described; and we've also got a Finance segment, which is a specialty Finance business focused on independent automotive dealers. We provide inventory financing for independent dealers associated with our Marketplace business.

John Babcock

analyst
#4

Okay. And as you look out over the balance of '26 and into '27, what are the main strategic priorities for the business over that time? .

Peter Kelly

executive
#5

Yes. We're very focused on continuing to grow the business and continuing to drive the digital transformation of the industry. So in terms of the growth vectors for our business, I'd say underpinning -- one big one is the secular shift from physical auctions to digital marketplaces, and we're driving that. And having good success on that, and that's most evident by the growth in our dealer-to-dealer business. D2D vehicles are typically about half of the addressable market, historically has been a heavily physical auction component of the industry, but we're driving a lot of growth there. In Q1, our volumes were up in the mid-teens, up in the high 20s in the U.S. year-on-year percentage growth rate. So continuing to focus on that and driving greater scale, greater adoption, more participants on that side of our business. There's another growth vector, an important growth vector for us is on the commercial side of our business, we're basically on the cusp of a significant rebound in off-lease volumes, okay? So most of our commercial volumes are driven by captive finance customers and portfolios of leased vehicles. Leasing of new vehicles dropped post pandemic and hit an all-time low in sort of early 2023 was the bottom of the curve there and leases are typically 3 years long. So we have just sort of crossed over that bottom of the curve in early 2026. So as we look to the future, we're expecting significant growth in off-lease volumes driven by higher lease penetration rates in late '23, '24, '25. And that's going to be a strong growth driver for our business as well. So we're focused on executing against that. Obviously, we're focused on continuing to drive an innovation agenda here at Open lay leveraging the technologies that exist, including AI to make the process easier and faster, more higher trust, higher transparency for all our customers. So there's a lot we're doing in that regard as well.

John Babcock

analyst
#6

All right. you've done a very good job in -- certainly in the U.S., and we've seen that in the numbers, and frankly, even in Canada outperforming the market. based on the growth trends that you've achieved so far and what you're doing on the go-to-market side, what can you do on a go-forward basis to help to maintain or potentially even accelerate? I mean, I guess we'll see if that's achievable from here. But to keep that growth moving forward.

Peter Kelly

executive
#7

Yes. Well, we've been certainly very pleased with the growth that we've seen over the past, I say, 18 to 24 months. I think it's a combination -- [indiscernible] driven that. I think some of the decisions we made around focusing on the digital model, consolidating various platforms and various brands, investing in the technology platform itself, improving condition reports, better data, all those things have played an important role. On top of that, as Brad mentioned here, we've invested quite a bit in go-to-market resources, more boots on the ground, greater awareness out there on part of franchise and independent dealers, and that's been very effective. So we're going to keep doing those types of things. I think we've got a good playbook here. I think we have improved our understanding of what works and what types of investments tend to have the biggest impact. And what types of markets or geographic and areas might be most receptive the data we're looking at. So we're going to continue doing that. The other thing I'd say, John, is we're still a relatively small share. I talked about D2D is about half the TAM. Our market share in U.S. D2D is close to 10%, okay? So yes, we've had good growth, but we're still only 10% of the market. So there's a lot of sort of headroom available for us to grow, particularly if you buy into the thesis which I do, that the digital model is stronger, faster, better, superior, if you like, to the physical and the customers will learn that over time by trial and usage that learn those benefits. So we're focused on that. I think we've got a long trajectory here of growth opportunity, and we're going to keep pushing that as hard and fast as we can.

John Babcock

analyst
#8

I think at least based on the last data point I saw digital auctions are right now around about 22% or so of the market. How do you see that evolving over time? Do you think it ultimately gets to 75%. Do you think it gets 90%? What do you think is the end game? And ultimately, I guess, similarly for OPENLANE, like what's kind of the end game for them or for you guys rather?

Peter Kelly

executive
#9

Well, you're right. So again, digital is 22%, and we're close to 10% is what I said. So we're a big component of that. Listen, I think in the D2D component, dealer-to-dealer transactions, I fundamentally believe that entire segment is fully address them. All of those vehicles can be sold in the digital marketplace. That's my fundamental view. Now others may have a different point of view, but that's my one. So I think the market is fully addressable and we're going to go after the entire market. I do look at the off-lease side as maybe a bit of a predictor. Off-lease vehicles went online much earlier than dealer to dealer. And there's a reason for that is with an off-lease vehicle is a 3-year-old vehicle. It's a higher quality, lower mileage, less damage vehicle. It's also a vehicle that's typically been sold by a captive finance company. Think of [ Honda Finance ] selling a Honda vehicle to a hard dealer, right? So in that environment, there's a lot of trust, right? A lot of experience working together knowledge of the product. D2D is quite a bit more complex than that. It's an older vehicle. It's a dealer selling to another dealer. It's maybe a different brand, much higher manage, higher damage, et cetera. But if I look at off lease, off lease grew from 10%, 20% digital to today, more like 70-plus percentage. So I think the same outcome is possible on the dealer side. But listen, it's going to take time. We're focused on one quarter at a time, one year at a time, continue to execute the playbook as best we can. But again, I think the segment ultimately is fully addressable.

John Babcock

analyst
#10

Okay. And from a geographic standpoint, are there regions you think are most likely to be targeted over the next couple of years or so that are maybe particularly intriguing relative to others? And also, if you could just broadly talk about where you're maybe most exposed within the U.S., that would be helpful, to the extent you talk about it?

Peter Kelly

executive
#11

It's certainly not uniform across the U.S. I would say we've got markets that were particularly strong and then markets where I think were weaker than we really ought to be on a geographical basis. We're strong out West. We're strong in the South and like Texas, Central South up into the Midwest. That sort of belts from the whole Central time zone, if you like. We actually have good share in the Northeast despite an we're having a competitor that's regionally very strong in the Northeast as well. And an area I'd say that we wish to do more business would be the Southeast, some big states down there in Florida, Georgia. We've got decent share, but quite a bit lower than the share we have in, say, out West, California, places like that. So I think some markets are maybe predictive of where other markets can get to, if we execute the playbook the right way, and that's kind of the way we look at it from a sort of a head count and investment kind of approach. What can we learn from the markets we're doing well in to help bring other markets further along.

John Babcock

analyst
#12

Okay. And the next question is really on the broader market. So I was wondering if you could talk about the health of the vehicle wholesale market, how that's evolved over the last couple of months and particularly since you reported earnings?

Peter Kelly

executive
#13

Yes. I think the wholesale market is in a reasonably good shape. That's kind of how I'd say it -- the wholesale market took a bit of a beating [indiscernible]. Volumes -- well, volume to hit really badly actually for a whole bunch of reasons across the different categories. And it's recovered a lot since then. So if we look at the market here in 2026, it's much better than it was in, say, 2021, 2020. But it's not back to where it was in 2019. And I think some of that is kind of structural. There used to be 17.5 million cars sold per year. The last few years, it's been more like 16 million, right? Well, you do that for 4 or 5 years in a row and suddenly, there is like 6 million or 7 million fewer 5-year and younger cars out there, right? And that's just going to drive fewer transactions and and it's going to impact the retail used car market in terms of scarcity and price. It's also going to impact the wholesale used car market. So wholesale volumes are still below pre-Covid levels, but better than they were a few years ago. In the last couple of months, there's nothing really big to report in my view. It's been a -- there was a strong what I'll call spring market driven by the tax refund season in the first quarter. That typically ends around April, mid-April. So the same kind of happened this year. We've seen a little bit of weakening in terms of conversion rates. But honestly, not bad. I maybe expected a little bit more than what we saw. So prices are so robust. Demand is still strong. Conversion rates are still in a good place. I wish there were more cars, but I'm always going to wish there are more cars.

Bradley Herring

executive
#14

I would add One of the things we try to make sure investors understand is we're still able to grow pretty sizably in a flat market because of what you just mentioned a minute ago, John, this kind of ongoing shift toward digital, right? So that was -- 10 years ago, that number was 0. So now we're, call it, below the mid-20s. The way we think about what we're chasing around is if we get 1 to 3 percentage points a year of continual digital shift, that's anywhere between 100,000, 150,000 cars a year that incrementally kind of come into our space for digital penetration. So even in a flat market, we're still able to grow pretty sizably because we're really chasing where those digital conversions are coming from and that's where we're winning a disproportionate share of those digital conversions. So we just want to make sure people understand that there's a even in a flat market, we still have a really strong opportunity to grow because we're still so low on that digital penetration scale.

John Babcock

analyst
#15

Yes. Understood. And separately, I did want to ask you about this. I mean, [ Carvana ] at their inspection reconditioning center tour that they hosted it was like 2 weeks ago, talking about plans to potentially open up their ADESA CLEAR platform for free to dealers, and they're going to ultimately start out. It sounds like keep that restricted to certain dealers, and so there won't necessarily be like full flow per se. But I'm just kind of curious if they decide to broaden that out, how do you see that impacting the market, if at all? Just kind of curious to get your take there.

Peter Kelly

executive
#16

Yes. I don't have a whole lot to say on that one. We talked about it a bit with the management team on Friday. I guess what I'd say is Carvana bought ADESA from us back in 2022. That's just over 4 years ago now. I would say their wholesale business over that time, at least the ADESA business that they acquired has generally kind of declined. And I think that's -- I think that was kind of -- I don't think that we're that concerned about that because their thesis was to use those facilities more for the retail reconditioning operations. But they've become, I'd say, less of a player in the wholesale space over the 4-year period since the transaction. This kind of maybe signals a bit of a lean back in. But I don't know, a dealer is still -- if we look at franchise dealers, still look at CARVANA through the lens of these guys compete with us for resale business and retail customers. So I don't think franchise dealers are going to be super excited about participating there, but it remains to be seen. Obviously, we have competition, mix of physical and digital. ADESSA Clear is -- again, it's probably more of a hybrid. The cars are physically at the facilities. But we'll see how it plays. We're not that concerned about it at the present moment.

John Babcock

analyst
#17

Okay. Understood. And now I guess going to the off-lease side of things, Leasing activity was relatively slow in '25, at least from my understanding, -- what are your current expectations on when off lease volumes will peak? I mean should we expect that to occur in '27, '28, just given kind of the 3-year lag per se, from 25%? Or is there a reason to think otherwise?

Peter Kelly

executive
#18

Yes. I think there's some reason to think otherwise. If we think of what is the sort of -- what's our equation on off-lease vehicles, okay. So it starts with maturities. If we look at maturities, maturities is really a function of what were lease nations like 3 years ago. So we saw lease originations, I think, bottom out around 18%, something like that going from memory here and then they got into the 24%, 25% range in '24. They kind of stayed in that range in '25. That didn't really grow again in '25, they lost, I think, part of our client or something. . So lease originations right now are somewhere around 24%, 25%. The second -- however, the second component for us is within that portfolio, what does the consumer payoff percentage likely to be, okay? So historically, pre-coat that was around 30%. So consumers will buy out 30%, we would get about 70% back into remarketing. But then what we've seen with the run-up in used car values, that consumer payoff percentage increased from 30% to 60%, 70%, 80%, 90% at its peak. And it's been slowly eroding back and now it's back around 65 again, okay? So from this point, looking forward, we're looking really at 2 variables. One is, what does the maturity curve look like? So that's going to ramp up from now through mid-'28, and then it's going to kind of flatten out, okay. So I'd say it's kind of flat looking forward after mid-'28. But then within that, what's the consumer payoff percentage. I think that's going to continue to erode. It remains to be seen, right? But that's my thesis that these cars are being leased with a bit more aggressive residuals. Used car prices aren't going to keep appreciating. I think the values are going to stay strong, okay, but they're not going to go up another 50% from where they're at. So I think we'll see a lower consumer payoff percentage, meaning our volumes will tend to increase post -- over a longer-term horizon. But we'll have to see, right? That's kind of my current theory of the case, and we'll see how it plays.

John Babcock

analyst
#19

Okay. What is the typical payout percentage. Is that what, 25%, I think, is the number I've seen historically. Is that right? .

Peter Kelly

executive
#20

It used to be like 30% pre-COVID. But within different portfolios, not very bit. I've seen it as low as 20% in certain portfolios and as high as 40%. But it's been structurally higher the last few years given high-used car values, low volumes of lease maturities. So I think the next 12 months will be very interesting, John. As we see more off-lease vehicles come in -- start to come back, what does that consumer payoff percentage start to trend. . And by the way, it's very much driven by the equity in the vehicles. So today, as an example, within these lease portfolios, there's really 2 different types of vehicles. There's EVs, which are heavily negative equity. The consumer payoff percentage on those is very low, like 10%, 15%, okay? Then there's the ICE and hybrid vehicles, which have -- still have plenty of equity and those have much higher like 60%, 70%, 80% payoff percentages. So again, it's an economic question. The consumer is getting to the end of the lease to looking at the value of the vehicle versus the residual value in their contract and they're making a decision based on which one is more valuable to me, right?

John Babcock

analyst
#21

Yes. And then next question, I wanted to talk about AFC a little bit. Could you just talk about the progress you've had in getting users of AFC financing to transact in your marketplace? And then also, do those users have any notable differences in ticket size, frequency or conversion rates and other users in the marketplace?

Peter Kelly

executive
#22

Well, AFC serves independent dealers, so non-franchise dealers. We've got a base of around 15,000 with the contract or with an allocation of floor plan allocation, 15,000. As of today, a little over 55% of those deals are registered with OPENLANE, and that's up from about 40% at the beginning of last year. So we're making progress getting more and more of these dealers to register and sign up for open line and start to use the system. However, the number of dealers who are buying vehicles in OPENLANE in each month is a subset of 55%. So -- and even those vehicles that are dealers that are buying vehicles are not buying all of their vehicles there. So you do the math on that, there's still a lot of opportunity here in this AFC portfolio to drive more future volume and I feel good about that. In terms of the size of these dealers, these are independent dealers, okay? So think of the smaller used car stores that you see, they don't have a franchise. So typically, they're going to be much smaller than your typical franchise dealer. But that said, AFC's base of dealers is broad enough that there their average size dealer would be equivalent to the average size of the industry.

John Babcock

analyst
#23

Yes. And now I guess maybe this is a question more for Brad. But -- how should we think about the impact of rate movements on AFC results? You've talked about this a little bit in past quarters, but if you could just give a refresher particularly just given what's going on now and maybe some discussion about potentially a rate hike, I guess we'll see what happens. But if you could just give a refresher on that, that would be great.

Bradley Herring

executive
#24

Yes, sure. So rate changes do affect AFC. They think it pretty moderately. I mean you have to keep in mind in the portfolio, the average loan is 62 or so days. So what you end up getting is an impact is really driven by the rate reset period, which really covers that 62-day window. So in a rising rate environment, it can be some tailwind for us shrinking rate environment, it can be some headwind. But these are pretty small around the edges items just because of that rate, that really tight reset period. So we offer it up as grounding folks and understanding what is the rate increase or rate decrease look like, but they're not monumental movers for us just because the rate reset period is so tight.

John Babcock

analyst
#25

Got you. And now from your interactions with customers, are there any products or services. And so this is more like on a go-forward basis, product innovation type setup. But are there any products or services that they're asking you guys to provide? So I know you talked about the inventory management system that you're working on, and we'll get to that next. But I just kind of curious, are there features they'd like you to add to your current digital auction setup? Or are there other new products that they'd like you to work on even beyond that other than the inventory management system.

Peter Kelly

executive
#26

Yes. I think, first of all, when we talk to our customers, we are generally very pleased with the feedback we get about our, I'd say, our system and also our business process. So our system -- I think customers perceive us as an industry either when it comes to digital technology. Our system is very easy to use. It's deliberately so. Now there's a lot of sophisticated technology behind the scenes. We try to keep the actual customer experience very simple. We're focused on trust, transparency, high-quality condition reports, leveraging all of the technologies we can to continue to improve that. And that's a job that I don't think is ever fully done. . So that's what we're focused on. And I think our customers are appreciative of that. I think there -- a request we do here from time to time is given the growth in our marketplace, the greater number of transactions, et cetera, what can we do in terms of data to help our customers make better decisions in terms of the prices in which to sell and buy vehicles, okay? So we've got a lot of transaction data, a lot of dealers active on the the site every single day. What does that -- what all of that telling us about the supply and demand and characteristics of the market as it comes to -- as it pertains to a certain type of used car, for example. So we're investing in that. Again, we do all of this under the banner of OPENLANE Intelligence, and we leverage AI where we can within that to create greater pricing transparency, historical transactions, advice on, hey, this is a -- the bidding has got to a certain level in your car. This seems like a really good price to us. You should be motivated to take this in our view. But part recognizing at the end of the day, that piece of inventory is something we don't know the seller has to make that decision be comfortable with the decision to sell it or not.

John Babcock

analyst
#27

Okay. And next, now moving on to the myeloid inventory management system that you talked about at your Investor Day a couple of months ago. Could you just talk about how that's going to be positioned to compete in the market? Maybe it's too early to say because it's probably still in development, you've done some work on it, but just kind of curious if you could talking about how you expect it to be positioned at least as of now, and particularly relative to other offerings like say, [indiscernible], for example? .

Peter Kelly

executive
#28

Yes. Well, thank you. First of all, inventory management, yes. So this is maybe going a little bit beyond what I was just talking about with data and creating a subscription product that sort of advises the dealer -- I think -- again, I think maybe through the lens of an independent dealer now, who might have 40 or 50 cars on the lot, what do we think are the best cars to start given your business model, given the market conditions that we're seeing in your geographical area. . So what do you think is the ideal inventory mix the stock, what prices do we think you should stop them that? And then are there vehicles currently on your lot that we think aren't a good fit and would they be better put into a wholesale market. So if that kind of software to advise on those types of questions. I would say we're targeting -- we're probably targeting a smaller dealer than the auto would typically target. So we're targeting more of an independent dealer or a small franchise who is just not going to pay the kind of headline price that a auto would cost them on a monthly basis. So there's a lot of dealers that don't pay for that. So we're at a much lower price point and even with a simpler product. And then coupled with that price point, if the dealer participates, they get some other benefits in terms of the transaction fees that are charged within our marketplace business in Canada. So think of it as, on the one hand, product extension, so putting additional digital tools in the hands of a customer, converting some revenue to SaaS, so getting sort of recurring, predictable monthly revenue and hopefully getting more share of wallet with that customer as well by the sort of having this combination of a sum cost of sort of a monthly subscription fee with a lower transaction cost as opposed to the rack rate model that might exist if you're not a subscriber. So that's kind of the equation there. It's proven to be quite popular. But it's probably too early to say yet what the long-term plans are. I would say we're getting good feedback from customers. The adoption has probably exceeded our expectations, and there's a number of things on the road map that we're focused on before pushing another wave of expansion to the product.

John Babcock

analyst
#29

Understood. Have you done work in terms of what the potential TAM might be for this? Or maybe there's a TAM for the broader inventory management market that maybe is more appropriate to share?

Peter Kelly

executive
#30

No, there's nothing [indiscernible] on this call, I would just say we've been pleased with the sign-ups thus far. And I think a big decision would be will be bringing to the U.S. at some point. It is not currently on our road map to bring to the U.S. We're going to get this in really good shape in Canada before we make any decisions on the U.S. And frankly, the U.S. -- in terms of market share, we already have much higher market share in Canada than in the U.S. So the U.S., I'm much more focused on growing the marketplace scale, the transactional volumes, et cetera. Canada, the business is more mature. So I'm more focused on trying to broaden the portfolio up there.

John Babcock

analyst
#31

Okay. And I do ultimately want to get to capital allocation last. But before I do -- while we're just talking about Canada, can you just give an update on that market, how it's doing? I mean, it seems like it's been a little bit of a challenge up there based on everything I've read out in the paper, but any updates you could share will be useful there?

Peter Kelly

executive
#32

Yes, it's been a little bit of a challenge. I'd say from a macro standpoint, I think really the tariffs was 15 months ago. They've been pretty negative for the Canadian economy in many different sectors, automotive sector being one, for example, with automotive production up there, et cetera. So it just hasn't been a good period for Canada and that's played through into sort of retail new car sales and some of those flow through into our industry, too. But that said, I feel encouraged that it doesn't seem to be getting worse. In fact, it seems to be getting a little bit better. And I also think that this phenomenon really started to become evident around about this time last year, May, June of last year is when the problems first started to show up. So I feel like we're now starting -- particularly as we move into Q3 and Q4, we're going to be lapping a different comp set for Canada. So our Canadian business is doing well. I wish the macro up there was a little stronger than it is. But nonetheless, we're doing well. And I'm hopeful that we'll be able to show some growth in Canada in the second half of the year. I would also say that if I look at our numbers on a 2-year basis, like not comping to '25, but comping to '26 -- '24 rather, on a 2-year basis, our volumes are still up a decent amount in Canada. So I think, again, that speaks to business doing well. Digital model has gained share, feel good about our position. Yes, so that's kind of a summary on Canada.

John Babcock

analyst
#33

What's the digital penetration Canada? Is there a number on that or is it similar to the U.S.?

Peter Kelly

executive
#34

It's considerably higher. And some of that was our market position in Canada. We were the leader in Canada, and we moved our business in a fully digital direction in the pandemic, and we never kind of went back unlike the physical auctions in the U.S. So to some extent, we were able to move the market. So in my view, the digital penetration in Canada is well above 50%. .

John Babcock

analyst
#35

Okay. Excellent. And then on capital allocation, could you just quickly talk about your capital allocation and priorities for '26 and '27 to the extent you can talk about that?

Bradley Herring

executive
#36

Yes, sure. So we mentioned this at our Investor Day. There's a good slide out there in our materials that are posted on our on our website. The first thing for us is funding our organic growth, but our CapEx runs around $60 million a year to fund our organic growth. If you look at our cash flow generation, that's a pretty small component of how much cash flow we actually generate. So that leaves a lot of cash left over. We've also been pretty vocal about being active in the share buyback market. We use open and close window trading strategies to to repurchase shares, we'll continue that path for '26, '27 and probably beyond that. And the last piece we have is we do have a term loan outstanding of $500-ish million. Over time, we'll probably be paying that down, but it's -- we got a really good deal on it. It's not a strapping instrument for us, so we're going to leave that in the market for a little bit and that would be third.

John Babcock

analyst
#37

Okay. So M&A, not necessarily like the purview at this point. How are you thinking about that broadly longer term? .

Bradley Herring

executive
#38

I'll start off and hand it over to Peter. I mean we've talked about it internally, but the reality for us is there's no real gap that we feel like we immediately need to fill with an M&A strategy, whether it's capabilities, whether it's distribution, whether it's geography expansion. None of those gaps are front of mind for us. Now that said, we're always going to be opportunistic to the right opportunity come up. We're fortunate, given our cash position, our capital position, we could actually pursue those kinds of ventures, but there's just nothing on the horizon that's staring us that we're wildly interested in because of these really high hurdle rates we have to to go down that path. So I'll let Peter speak to more.

Peter Kelly

executive
#39

Brad's kind of said it. I -- listen, I like the organic growth plan we have. I think it's -- we're executing well. The plan is delivering results. I think we've got a long runway ahead, as I mentioned earlier, on many, many dimensions. So I feel good about that. I think we'd look at M&A through an opportunistic lens, but I don't think there's a sort of a capability gap or a technology gap that I'm trying to address at the present time. So I feel good about that. .

John Babcock

analyst
#40

All right. Well, I think that's all I have for questions. So thank you, Peter, Brad and Bill also for joining on the side. Really a true pleasure to have you guys on the call and certainly to join the Auto Summit. So thanks again.

Bradley Herring

executive
#41

Perfect.

Peter Kelly

executive
#42

Thank you, John. Have a good summer.

Bradley Herring

executive
#43

Thanks.

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