PayPay Corporation (PAYP) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
July 31, 2026
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Kotaro Emae
executiveGood morning, and good evening, everyone, and welcome to PayPay's earnings call for the first quarter of fiscal 2026. I'm Kotaro Emae, Head of Investor Relations. Joining me on today's call are Nakayama-san, our President and CEO; Kagechika-san, our CFO; and Motoda-san, Head of Finance and Corporate Strategy. As a reminder, today's call is being broadcast live, and a replay will be available on our website at a later date. Before we begin, please note that today's discussion includes forward-looking statements, non-IFRS financial measures and unaudited financial data. Actual results may differ materially from our expectations. For more details, including risk factors and non-IFRS reconciliations of non-IFRS measures to the most directly comparable IFRS measures, please carefully review the disclaimer on Page 2 of our presentation. We ask for your understanding of these terms as we proceed. With that, I will now turn the call over to Nakayama-san.
Ichiro Nakayama
executiveHello, everyone. This is Nakayama speaking. So before we begin the presentation, I would like to say a few words in Japanese. [Foreign Language] Before we begin today's presentation, I'd like to express my deepest sympathies to everyone affected by the recent earthquake in Kumamoto. We sincerely pray for your safety and a swift recovery and reconstruction of the affected areas. So let's start. Now let me turn to our financial results. Following a strong finish in Q4, we delivered another strong quarter in Q1. Total revenue increased 27% Y-o-Y, driven by continued growth in the Payment segment and even faster growth in the Financial Service segment. RLTC increased 26% Y-o-Y. The margin declined by 1% to 77%, mainly due to higher funding costs for bank deposits after policy rate increase. Adjusted EBITDA increased 59% Y-o-Y, and the margin expanded to 34% as both segments delivered operating leverage. Our Rule of X reached 61%, showing solid growth in both revenue and profitability. Today, we announced our capital and business alliance with Seven & i Holdings. I would now like to explain how these partnerships support our growth strategy. First of all, our vision remains clear. To build one of the largest digital financial platform in Japan. We focus on 2 areas. The first is products and customer touch points. We started with payments and expanded into credit cards, banking and securities. In June, we announced the planned acquisition of shares in T&D Financial Life Insurance. This will add life insurance to our platform and help us meet needs such as protection, wealth buildings and asset succession. Our partnership with Seven & i will expand our reach further by connecting with users in their daily shopping. The second area is data. The more data we gather, the better we understand our users. The blue circles show static data such as user profiles and financial assets. The left circle show real-time data, such as payments and shopping activity. By combining them, we can better understand who our users are and what they need at the moment. This allows us to offer the right financial service to the right users at the right time. This personalized approach is very different from the mass marketing often used by traditional financial institutions, institutions. We have consistently invested in products, customer touch points and data capabilities. Our direction has not changed and our execution remains strong. Let me now explain the T&D Financial Life Insurance acquisition in more detail. Life insurance sits between bank deposits and securities and will expand our financial services lineup. By combining it with PayPay's daily payment touch points, we plan to offer new digital life insurance products to our user base. We also aim to strengthen asset management, expand revenue opportunities and improve profit margins. By bringing the life insurance balance sheet into our group, we will build a stronger hybrid model that combines flow-based revenue from payments with stock-based revenue from financial services. This will help us benefit from rising interest rates and build a stronger foundation for sustainable growth even as the external environment changes. We will continue to prepare for the completion of the acquisition. Next, I would like to highlight our capital and business alliance with Seven & i Holdings we announced today. First, let me explain the strategic purpose of the partnership. Our goal is more than a payment link. We want to connect in-store and digital customer touch points and improve the everyday shopping experience. Seven-Eleven Japan has about 22,000 stores and around 20 million customers visit each day. PayPay has about 75 million users and handles around 30 million payments each day. By bringing together 2 industry leaders, we can make better use of the large amount of data generated every day. This is the core value of the partnership. Seven-Eleven Japan has a strong capability in product development, logistics, store operations, membership programs, promotions and apps. As Seven-Eleven transforms its business model, PayPay will lead the renewal of its digital customer touch points. We will connect memberships, IDs, data, point apps and promotion on the PayPay platform and add digital capabilities to its stores. This clear vision of roles will help us build stronger and broader customer connections. In the mid- to long term, we place the greatest value on our continuous real-time data. Everyday payments generate fresh data without asking users to enter extra information as the data grows. AI can keep learning and offer more personalized suggestions to each users. This is a key long-term strategy to increase lifetime value in the age of AI. Looking ahead, PayPay will explore opportunities to expand its payment service outside Japan, including in the United States. We have no specific plans at this stage. However, we believe that the success we achieve with this partnership in Japan would support PayPay's further global growth. At the same time, we will create near-term growth from the partnership. By combining services such as 7NOW and mobile ordering with PayPay's customer base and data, we can reach potential customers more effectively by improving customer experience, we will drive near-term growth and put this model into practice. These initiatives will help us build a one-stop digital financial platform that supports users at every stage of life. Financial needs change at each stage of life. Younger users mainly need payments and credit cards. As they get older, their needs become broader and more diversified. By combining payments, shopping and behavioral data, we can better understand these changes and offer services that fit each user's needs. This help us increase lifetime value while keeping customer acquisition costs low. We hope our investors will share our vision and excitement as we increase the cross-use of our services and grow revenue per user. One key measure of this progress in ARPU. Cross-use between payments and finance creates growth on both sides. It increases revenue in the Financial Service segment, while greater use of financial services also increased payment engagement, GMV and ARPU in the Payment segment. Our growth strategy has not changed. We expand customer touch points, gather more data and use that data to order the right financial service to each user. We will continue to invest for growth, increase cross-use and build greater corporate value over the medium to long term. This concludes my presentation. I will now hand over to our CFO, Kagechika-san. Thank you.
Wataru Kagechika
executiveThank you, Nakayama-san. I will now walk you through our earnings highlights. Let me first highlight our operational and financial performance for the first quarter. Fiscal 2026 is off to an excellent start. Building on this strong momentum, we are raising our full year financial guidance for fiscal 2026, which I will touch upon later. While the top line growth is quite healthy, I want to specifically highlight the quality of growth we are seeing across both our Payments and Financial Service segments. Looking at the Payment segment, the usage of PayPay Card is further accelerating and continue to be a key growth driver. Through the expanded use of PayPay Card, we will increase the monthly GMV per MTU and strengthen PayPay's position as our users' main wallet. Further, our unit economics consistently improved, supported by GMV growth of our higher-margin online GMV. In the Financial Service segment, we are working on establishing a foundation for future growth alongside the steady expansion of our user base. In the first quarter, Tanida-san, the former President of PayPay Card until last fiscal year, assumed the role of new President at PayPay Bank. Under his leadership, we are refining our growth strategy and accelerating its execution. At the same time, we are redesigning our technology architecture to fully leverage the opportunities created by AI. The number of PayPay Bank accounts has now exceeded 10 million, demonstrating steady growth in our customer base. Next page, please. This slide shows our consolidated total revenue. Sorry. Now I'd like to highlight some of our key business developments for the first quarter and our recent progress. As announced in February, we implemented a comprehensive revision to our rewards program in June. Of the various changes we introduced, the most significant financial impact came from restoring rewards point eligibility only to eKYC-verified users. To build a secure and reliable financial infrastructure, we've been actively promoting eKYC. Through these effort, the number of eKYC-verified users has exceeded 42.5 million. As an added benefit from a financial perspective, the initiative led to JPY 1 billion in cost savings in June alone. Next page, please. This slide shows our consolidated total revenue. Since Nakayama-san already covered this, I will skip the detail. Next slide, please. This shows our adjusted EBITDA. Similarly, I will skip the details here as well. As mentioned earlier, PayPay Credit and PayPay Cards, the primary engines of our GMV growth continue to perform strongly. Furthermore, our take rates continue to expand, primarily driven by favorable shift in our GMV mix. Please turn to the next page. MTUs increased 10% year-on-year to approximately 42 million, driven by the growth in our registered user base and a higher active user rate. GMV per MTU, which represents the monthly spending per active user, continued to increase, primarily driven by an increase in monthly transaction frequency. For PayPay Card, we will -- we continue to see strong new customer acquisition. In addition, new Gold Card acquisitions increased significantly, driven by the launch of new Pay-Toku 2 pricing plan for SoftBank mobile users. Furthermore, revolving and installment loan balances, including the Pay-in Installment Later launched in the second half of the previous fiscal year grew 25% year-on-year. Cash advance usage also continued to expand strongly, increasing 57% year-on-year. Please turn to the next slide. Moving on to the credit metric for PayPay Card. Starting this quarter, we are replacing the net charge-off rate disclosed in previous earnings presentation with a new metric, the delinquency transition rate. This metric measure the annualized ratio of receivables that migrated to Stage 3 during the quarter relative to the opening receivable balance. The annualized rate is calculated based on the cumulative transitions over the most recent 4 quarters. For this quarter, the rate was 2.7%. It has continued to trend downward, indicating that credit quality of our portfolio remains sound. Let me turn to the Financial Service segment. Customer acquisition through the PayPay app continue to be highly effective for both our banking and securities business, supporting double-digit growth in the number of accounts. The number of PayPay Bank accounts has exceeded 10 million. Furthermore, PayPay Securities, leveraging 0 customer acquisition costs achieved a 29% year-on-year growth in accounts, moving its ranking up from sixth to fifth among Japan's online brokerages. Despite intense competition for deposits across the banking sector, our deposit balance grew 17% year-on-year to reach JPY 2.3 trillion. Our loan balance reached JPY 1.3 trillion, up 37% year-on-year, bringing our loan-to-deposit ratio to 57%. The interest rate margin, the spread between the loan yield and the deposit costs narrowed slightly, reflecting an increase in corporate loans driven by the diversification of our borrower base to include large enterprises. This slide shows our balance sheet and the key metrics. Our ROE was 22.5% and continue to improve the number. Lastly, let's turn to our financial guidance. There are 3 main reasons why we confirmed and comfortably beat our Q1 guidance. First, GMV in our payment business performed better than expected. Second, our merchant business saw strong performance. And last, we benefited from favorable external environment, including a strong equity market. Regarding our full year guidance, reflecting the strong business momentum confirmed in Q1, we are raising our forecast. We expect total revenue to be between JPY 467 billion (sic) [ JPY 465 billion ] and JPY 473 billion, representing a 22% to 24% year-on-year growth and adjusted EBITDA to be between JPY 149 billion and JPY 155 billion. The adjusted EBITDA margin is expected to be around 32% at the midpoint. For our Q2 guidance, we project total revenue to be between JPY 114 billion and JPY 116 billion, up approximately 24% year-on-year growth. We forecast adjusted EBITDA to be between JPY 37.5 billion and JPY 39.5 billion with adjusted EBITDA margin of around 34%. You may notice a modest year-on-year growth in the total revenue compared to Q1. We consider this to be driven primarily by 2 factors: the absence of the onetime benefit related to favorable external environment in Q1; and the tough comp from the prior year period, which saw a last-minute demand ahead of the rule changes to Home Tax Donation, Japan's municipal donation program. But let me be clear, our underlying business momentum is as strong as ever, and we are fully confident in our ability to continue delivering robust growth. This concludes our presentation. We will now open the line for your questions. Thank you.
Operator
operatorWe will now move on to the Q&A session. [Operator Instructions] The first question is from Goldman Sachs, Mr.Makoto Kuroda.
Makoto Kuroda
analystThis is Kuroda from Goldman Sachs. Congratulations on delivering a beat and raise. I have one question for Nakayama-san. Your strategy vision is very inspiring. And this quarter, we have also had investments in TNB Financial and Seven. My question is, in order to realize your vision of the future, where would you invest capital from here? Are there any missing pieces on your mind now?
Ichiro Nakayama
executiveThis slide that we are sharing on the screen, this is the vision that I have. This is a world view that I would like to realize. Therefore, we will need -- we have various options to grow organically and inorganically to realize our business growth and to grow our profits. There are various plans that we have. But it's not that we will get this type of great opportunity like the one that we have right now all the time. So in accordance, when the opportunity arises based on our investment governance, we'll make appropriate decisions and carry them out.
Operator
operatorWe'd like to move on to the next question. From Morgan Stanley, we'd like to ask Mia Nagasaka to unmute and ask your question.
Mia Nagasaka
analystThis is Nagasaka from Morgan Stanley MUFG. Can you hear me?
Unknown Executive
executiveYes.
Mia Nagasaka
analystI have 2 questions, if I may. The first point is regarding entering into the insurance business. So I understand that they will be closed next year. But over the medium term, when will the insurance business start to contribute to your overall profit? And by onboarding the life business, how would your balance sheet and P&L change? The reason why I'm asking this is because there are assets and liabilities that's unique to insurance companies as a structure. So over the medium term, what is your KPI and the target? Which KPIs are you going to prioritize? And you may be adopting a different KPI with the insurance business as part of your group. So please elaborate on that. And my second question is the alliance with Seven & i Holdings. I thought that this was a very good deal. And in promoting for the data utilization, how would you exert governance in managing the data? And also for reinforcing the governance, would that impact the speed of the data usage or the timing of monetizing the opportunities. So to the extent possible, if you could respond to the questions, that will be great.
Ichiro Nakayama
executiveYes. First, regarding the insurance business, I will first take that question. The strength of PayPay is that we have the flow business, mainly focusing on the payment service. But recently, we are also entering the stock-based business using our balance sheet with the bank and the security business. Life business, I think, is a typical of the balance sheet-based business. So we want to pursue balance where we are not impacted by just the market. So we want to have both a strong flow-based business and the stock-based business. The data which we build with the flow business can be collected and personalized to lead to the stock business opportunity. So we see great synergies between the 2. And we believe that this is second to none, and this is a very unique business model that we can only deliver. So we would like to pursue a business model where we can accommodate to the changing external environment. And to that extent, when will the life business start to contribute to the earnings? Regarding the Life business, as we have already announced, we will be communicating with FSA to get the approval for the deal, and we will also have to accommodate to IFRS. So we are looking about 1.5 years to close the deal and bring the entity into the group.
Wataru Kagechika
executiveSo for ARPU, this may not be directly responding to your question, but including the insurance business, the current ARPU is JPY 900, and we would like to double that as our target. So not just with the insurance business, but in the last 8 years or so, we have built up this ARPU growth, and we would like to repeat that with the new opportunities. And for balance sheet and the P&L, we will manage that appropriately. And by including their balance sheet, the balance sheet will get larger, much larger, but we believe that it is manageable for us. Motada-san will make some additional comments.
Unknown Executive
executiveYes, Nagasaka-san, thank you for your question. I am Motada from the Finance division. Regarding the T&D Financial Life acquisition, I would like to make one additional comment. Until closing, the closing date is October 1 next year, as Nakayama-san mentioned. So there will be some time. And in order for us to discuss about the strategic initiatives, we are going to set up the integrated committee ourselves, TMB Financial Life and also IM will be joining this committee. So even before the integration, if we see initiatives where it will be beneficial mutually, then we would like to embark on those activities. So the integration impact will be after the closing of the deal. But we are going to make a thorough preparation so that we can start very strongly as we reach October 1 next year.
Ichiro Nakayama
executiveSo that's the response to your insurance business question. And the other question around the data governance Seven & i. So of course, we have to get the concept first from the users in regards to how we can use the data. So we will first get the consent from the users. And under that scope, we will be using the data. So Seven & i has Seven ID and prior to integrating that to PayPay ID, we have always upheld that policy. So that will remain unchanged. So in terms of governance, we will have the appropriate governance to control.
Operator
operatorNext question from Mizuho Securities, Dan Dolev.
Dan Dolev
analystCan you hear me?
Ichiro Nakayama
executiveYes.
Dan Dolev
analystCongrats, Kagechika-san, it was an excellent quarter. I have 2 quick questions. On the June -- first one is on the June Point Reward revamp. Very nice to see boosting profitability by JPY 1 billion in the month and the contained impact on retention of GMV. Can you maybe give us some color on how things are trending in July and down the road? And then my second question is on the guidance. Very, very strong beat on EBITDA, but it looks like the second half is still very conservative. Just wanted to get a sense of what is embedded in your guidance in terms of reinvestment seasonality on the EBITDA side given such a strong Q1? Or are you simply being very conservative here, which is our assumption? Congrats again.
Ichiro Nakayama
executiveThank you for asking me. Those are 2 questions. The first one regarding the June reward change that we made, reward points revisions. We have been quite cautious in planning this initiative, and we just carried it out as planned in June time. In July, we are seeing a similar trend as we saw in June. But July is a big campaign time for PayPay, the summer big campaign. So this cost side improvement is not the only benefit that we're getting. Actually, with this big campaign, we are going to see an uptick in the revenue in GMV as well. So there will be a nice balance. So it will come down later down the road that we can share with you. So I would like to keep this comment to this level at the moment. And the second point, regarding guidance, EBITDA outlook, we have made a revision to the guidance, and we are making an upward revision this time. And as Dan mentioned, we don't think our guidance is anything conservative. We are making revisions where it's appropriate, where it's needed. So I hope you see our guidance this way as well. And we hope, needless to say that we would like to, of course, continue to achieve the guidance level.
Dan Dolev
analystCongratulations again on a great quarter.
Operator
operatorWe will take the next question from Darling Peller from Wolfe Research.
Darrin Peller
analystJust want to touch on the mix of the business for a minute. I know you mentioned you saw strength in mortgage loans, primarily with other strength seen in consumer and business loans. Should we expect similar trends going forward? How do you expect the mix to change over time? And maybe just how does that contribute going forward to the economics of the business in terms of both what you can generate on a per user basis and the profitability levels when you consider the different mix that we might see?
Ichiro Nakayama
executiveYes. So the loan growth, especially the mortgage loan grew quite strongly. And we are not just seeing a strong growth in the mortgage loan, but we are also focusing on the business loans and the consumer loans because we have some new product launches in Q1. So we want to develop the loan business with a good balance. So we're not just trying to drive the loan business simply by the mortgage book. So that's the response to your first question. And regarding the economics, are you asking about the unit economics per user or the cost? Can I confirm your question again?
Darrin Peller
analystWas trying to figure out what the impact from the different unit economics of each product, each type of loan product could be on the overall business going forward. So the overall profitability levels.
Ichiro Nakayama
executiveSo that will be answered by Kagechika-san.
Wataru Kagechika
executiveI explain the answer for your second question. Yes, even though the -- so far, we have been growing the mortgage loan than the other assets. But using our power of user base and data -- and when thinking about the margin spread on each type of loan, our primary focus is the rather the business loan and consumer loan utilizing the consumer data for the credit evaluation and where we can secure higher margin. But volume-wise, the mortgage loan provide us the higher opportunity to build the loan asset. So going forward, we want to keep the current profitability and the growth rate so that we will balance the profitability and the asset building at the same time and to provide the satisfactory results or the financial results or performance to the investors.
Operator
operatorNext question is from JPMorgan, Koki Sato from JPMorgan.
Koki Sato
analystSato from JPMorgan here. I have 2 questions. First one is upward revision of full year guidance. Direction of upward revision is understandable. But against your beginning of the year plan, top line will increase by JPY 11 billion. EBITDA will increase by JPY 14.5 billion. So the EBITDA increase will be more than the marginal profit together with upward doing better in the top line. The second is about the financials and your investments. And of course, as a listed company, you need to generate the profit after tax above your investment accountability, in other words. So what kind of return index or what kind of hurdle rate that you are using in order to confirm the rationale against this investment? Of course, based on various investment projects, risk return characteristics that varies quite a bit. But I would like us -- I would like you to please explain so that we understand your rationale of this investment.
Ichiro Nakayama
executiveI'm not sure whether this will be the answer to your question. But as you can see, we already in the middle is our revenue less transaction costs, which is really our gross profit margin, our LTC. Actually, there isn't much change year-on-year. But to the right, our adjusted EBITDA has improved quite a bit significantly from 27% in the past to 34%. So we applied this increase, this momentum on the full year guidance. That's the rationale. And why? There are 2 reasons. The first reason is from this June time, as Dan asked us from Mizuho Securities, we have revised our reward program from June time, and that's going quite well from June time, and that's been a significant contributor to EBITDA. And we will see the full year. We will see a positive impact for the rest of the year. And GMV is increasing. So we are scaling, so we can benefit from operating leverage. So those are the 2 drivers. And we have reflected this positive momentum to our full year guidance. And that's why we made an upward revision. That's the answer to your first question. And to your second question, you have a point. We have calculated quite precise IRR calculations. Of course, we can -- we need to refrain from disclosing that mechanism, but we also have studied with Seven-Eleven too based on what we are good at like a data usage or through personalization of the benefit from a user base -- that big user base, we will make more push-type announcements. And we've been working together with them and studying in the long term for the midterm and also short term, too on right hand of this page, we would like to grow. They are saying that they would like to grow with us. They believe that they can grow together with PayPay better in terms of improve their profitability and growth. That's what led to this time's investment. And this time, JPY 100 billion investment to JPY 7 billion and next year is JPY 130 billion investment to financials. About your liquidity, cash on hand regarding that capacity, PayPay Corporation's cash loan or the level of your cash balance, is that something that we need to study from current account at the Bank of Japan held by the bank? Let me have our CFO answer that.
Wataru Kagechika
executiveOf course, we are also providing financial services and we have a separate management for our customers' money and our own money. So that being said, our company's money -- our money is listed here as net debt. Currently, we have JPY 127 billion level. And together with that, of course, we have cash on hand. Our cash position is when we did following our recent IPO, I mean, we still do have cash that we were able to get from capital raise in hand. And from last year onwards, we've been generating solid profits. So we have more operating cash flow. So with those 2 pools, if you can add those 2, you can presume how much money fund we have for our company. I think that will give a good estimation.
Operator
operatorWe will take the next question from Nate Svensson from Deutsche Securities.
Christopher Svensson
analystCongrats on the nice results. I had 2 questions. I'll ask them together. The first is just on online GMV growth and the benefits to take rate that you're seeing. Something that you've talked about on both of your earnings calls here, saw 44% GMV growth in online, which is really strong. So maybe you could talk about what's driving that strength and how long you think this level of growth can be sustainable? Is this being driven by specific merchant or platform partnerships? Or is this more of a secular trend with higher e-com adoption in Japan that is helping you out? And then my second question is just on the onetime benefits that you called out for 1Q. I think you specifically referred to a strong equity market. So I would be interested to hear what the size of that benefit was in 1Q and whether there's any sustained benefit from these factors contemplated in the guide. I know you called out part of the step down from 1Q to 2Q top line growth was related to those onetime factors, but just wondering if there's any ancillary benefits included in there.
Ichiro Nakayama
executiveYes. So I will take the first question, and the second question will be covered by our CFO. Regarding the first question, like you pointed out, the online GMV is growing very strongly by 44% Y-o-Y. And there are 3 reasons behind that. The first being that for PayPay, the offline payment, so we started the offline merchant first because the users can be available anywhere. So users were first starting to use the service for offline payment with the merchant. And then came the peer-to-peer and then later, we started to exploit the online payment service. So now the users that were using the offline payment are now using the service online. So that's the first reason. The second reason is that we are now making efforts to increase the merchant for the online payment. So the larger pool of merchant is the second reason. And thirdly, we are strong with the younger generation, so they have a high usage. And for the online payment, it suits the young people's needs. So the fact that we are strong with the younger segment is uplifting and driving the online GMV growth. So that's my response to your first question. The second question will be covered by Kagechika-san.
Wataru Kagechika
executiveYes. So looking at the first quarter revenue, the year-on-year growth was 27% for the first quarter for the total revenue. And this included the impact of the buoyant equity market. Also with PayPay Securities, the commission on trading with the SpaceX IPO, we took a sizable chunk for the deal, and that helped to uplift the total revenue. And another reason is we don't have a big exposure, but at PayPay Bank, we have equity-based ETF and the sales gain also contributed to the top line growth. So the contribution of the market-related profits on the year-on-year growth would be like 1% to 2% from the good market.
Operator
operatorNext question from Cantor Fitzgerald. Ryan Campbell.
Ryan Campbell
analystCongrats on the strong results. PayPay Card growth was impressive this quarter, both the new cards issued and financing balance as well as GMV. Can you talk a bit about what's driving that? You mentioned SoftBank mobile plans. Should we expect that to continue at this pace? And what other levers can you pull on to improve adoption of PayPay Card?
Ichiro Nakayama
executiveWell, thanks for everybody's support. PayPay Card is experiencing a significant momentum right now, growth rate. I would like to elaborate what in the context. PayPay Card started as Yahoo! JAPAN Card. It was linked with Yahoo! JAPAN's e-commerce. That's how this credit cards started. But now that it belongs to PayPay and about 3 years ago, rebrand itself to call it a PayPay Card. And at that time, it was no longer online dedicated, Yahoo! e-commerce dedicated. We had our vision to convert these cards to be the card that they can carry with for everyday payment. So there are certain functions that we have to augment about 30 plus, and we develop them so that now we have this card usable to all. So -- and that is resonating among especially younger generations. So they are a PayPay user to start out with and now they have PayPay credit card as well. So they're using both, and that is boosting the card usage year-on-year. And furthermore, SoftBank users by using PayPay Card received cashback incentives, it's more beneficial to them, better value. So that's also a synergy effect that we are benefiting. So those 2 initiatives is really driving this business. So we would like to allocate -- continue to allocate management resource to grow this credit card business.
Kotaro Emae
executiveSo it's almost a scheduled time to end. So we would like to take the last question from BofA Securities, we would like to have Nagao-san.
Yoshitaka Nagao
analystThis is Nagao from BofA Securities. I have 2 questions. My first question is regarding the investment into T&D Financial Life. So if I may talk about the peer after Life, the online life companies have tried to attack the market for about 20 years. But the online life product -- sorry, the life product is not something that people will purchase passively. It has to be promoted by the sales agents. So that's why the online companies have not been able to pave their way fully into the market, competing against the incumbent. So how do you plan to approach this structural issue? Also if you are just going to be similar with the strategy of the previous online insurance, it may be just like an insurance shop that you can find on the street. So what is going to be your differentiating strategy? And the second question is regarding your alliance with Seven-Eleven. The Seven's total revenue, I think, is about JPY 5 trillion per annum. And the PayPay penetration, how much is that within the Seven revenue? And by integrating the ID and establishing a close relationship, how do you expect the PayPay penetration to go up? Even if it's only 10% or JPY 5 trillion, it will be JPY 500 billion. So if successful, I think the contribution to GMV could be significant. And furthermore, if possible, can you tell me because I understand that there are 20 million visitors to Seven-Eleven. And by integrating ID, you have the MTU of 40 million people. How much of that would you expect to see as an incremental growth on top of the current MTU with the collaboration with Seven-Eleven to integrate the ID?
Ichiro Nakayama
executiveYes. So regarding the T&D financial, the first question, I will be repeating my previous answer, but the closing will be about 18 months. So we have a lot of time to prepare. And of course, looking at the track record, we have a PayPay mini app on the home screen of PayPay, you can buy insurance products. It's a small ticket short-term insurance. And -- but most of that is what we offer as the insurance product lineup. But by just placing that on the platform, the 75 million users will be looking for different type of insurance products such as the insurance to cover for the heat stroke and also for bicycles. We already have a track record of selling 10 million policies. So we are -- we are not a life insurance company, but we already have the track record of having sold 10 million policies. And I think this is unprecedented in Japan. So I understand your point, but compared to the online players that have challenged the market, I want to say that we are different because we already have built a track record. And on the second point, if you look at the graph on the right, it's a licensed business. So we have the PayPay Bank deposits and also PayPay Securities mutual funds. And then going forward with TNB Financial Life, we will have the savings insurance products. And that's how we will explain to the professionals, but to the users, rather than where the products are coming from, we will look at the life stage of each user. Are they looking for low return, low risk or middle return or middle risk or high return or high risk. So how can we build the portfolio for that particular individual to optimize and serve their needs. So we are planning to make a proposal to offer the optimal solution. So we're not just going to push the bank's ordinary deposit or term deposits or just propose equity trading ETF from PB Securities or just offer the saving type life products from the life entity. So we will look at what is going to be the optimal solution, optimal investment portfolio that suit that person's life stage. And I think that is going to be the competitive edge for PayPay and how we'll be able to achieve that with UX. So I think this is a challenge that is totally different from what the others have done. So I hope that you will be patient to see what we can deliver and achieve. Also on the second question regarding alliance with Seven & i, we don't -- we cannot offer you the actual penetration rate of PayPay service vis-a-vis their revenue. But the very reason why Seven is willing to partner with us on this deal is because they saw a good penetration rate of our service within their sales. So with the usage Seven-Eleven, that will increase the daily usage of the payment services. So I think this will also have a very effect to other margins. That's been the successful business model that we have built in the last 8 years with Seven & i, and we want to increase the market share at the cash wrap so that we can also use that data to leverage that for our stock business. That's the new business model that we would like to establish.
Yoshitaka Nagao
analystI have now a better understanding of the strategy. I look forward to your further progress.
Kotaro Emae
executiveThank you. And so this concludes the Q1 earnings announcement. Thank you again for joining us today. Thank you.
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