PENN Entertainment, Inc. (PENN) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

August 6, 2026

NASDAQ US Consumer Discretionary Hotels, Restaurants and Leisure earnings 51 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Greetings, and welcome to the PENN Entertainment Second Quarter 2026 Earnings Call. I would now like to turn the conference over to Joe Jaffoni, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Joseph Jaffoni

executive
#2

Thank you, Tasha. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining PENN Entertainment's 2026 Second Quarter Conference Call and Webcast. We'll get to management's comments and presentation momentarily as well as your Q&A. [Operator Instructions] I'll briefly review the safe harbor disclosure, and then we'll get right into the call. Please note that today's discussion contains forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements involve risks, assumptions and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. For more information, please see our press release for details on specific risk factors. It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Penn's CEO, Jay Snowden. Jay, please go ahead.

Jay Snowden

executive
#3

Thanks, Joe, and good morning. I'm joined here by Felicia Hendrix and Aaron LaBerge as well as other members of the senior management team. As you'll see from our release and investor presentation, we continue to execute against our 2026 strategic priorities during the second quarter. We're on track to deliver more than 20% year-over-year adjusted EBITDAR growth this year, driven by strong performance across our retail portfolio and significant adjusted EBITDA improvement in our Interactive segment. This growth, combined with our corporate overhead optimization is benefiting cash flow growth, which in turn is enabling us to delever our balance sheet this year faster than originally expected. PENN's best-in-class property level management teams delivered impressive results for the Retail segment, achieving record quarterly revenues in Q2. This performance was reflected across the portfolio with 9 properties setting Q2 records for both revenues and adjusted EBITDAR. We also saw another quarter of year-over-year growth in rated revenue, supported by meaningful contributions from mid- and high worth customer segments as well as growth in unrated revenue, which has now increased in 5 of the last 7 quarters, underscoring broad-based consumer demand. This momentum continued through July. Slide 8 in our investor presentation highlights the combination of internal growth drivers and external market tailwinds that support our longer-term retail growth outlook, including our PENN Play loyalty program and omnichannel strategy, our strategic investments in both gaming and non-gaming amenities, our ongoing retail development project pipeline, limited new competitive supply and third-party investments that are helping to drive economic growth in a few of our key markets. The Interactive segment delivered another quarter of meaningful adjusted EBITDA improvement year-over-year as we continue to execute on our strategy of focusing on growth in our U.S. iCasino and Canadian operations to improve profitability. Our U.S. Hollywood branded standalone casino app generated quarter-over-quarter as well as year-over-year growth, achieving record revenues in Q2. Our Ontario gaming operations continue to gain momentum, supported by strong growth in OSB revenues, aided by solid World Cup engagement and cross-sell of the reactivated World Cup OSB user base into iCasino. Revenue in the quarter was negatively impacted by customer-friendly online sportsbook outcomes, particularly in June during the NBA Finals and World Cup as well as lower volumes in part due to our reduced marketing spend on lower value and unprofitable customer segments. Importantly, this shift is improving our marketing efficiency and is consistent with our disciplined approach to managing the interactive business that we outlined earlier this year. Notably, while our OSB hold rate was flat year-over-year to date, our OSB net win rate improved. We saw encouraging interactive engagement trends during the World Cup. Approximately 70% of our Sportsbook users placed a World Cup wager with approximately 45% of those World Cup betters placing a soccer wager for the first time. This event served as a meaningful engagement and reactivation opportunity for us heading into the NFL season. On July 13, we launched the Score Bet Sportsbook and Casino and our standalone iCasino apps, the Score Casino and Hollywood Casino in Alberta, Canada. While still early, we are encouraged by our Alberta user and handle volumes on a per capita basis and believe our exclusive strategic partnership in Canada with the Toronto Blue Jays will complement the strength of the Score Bet brand there. Our expected investment in Alberta remains approximately $20 million for the year, and our 2026 Interactive segment adjusted EBITDA guidance is unchanged at a loss of $20 million, which Felicia will discuss in more detail in a few minutes. But first, I want to cover some updates on our exciting retail development projects. Hollywood Casino Joliet, which opened last August, continued to deliver strong results in Q2, and that momentum has continued into early Q3. Our team there, excuse me, is doing a great job. Meanwhile, M Resort continues to capture previously unmet demand and drive enhanced property performance following the opening of our new hotel tower last December. M Resort generated record net revenue and adjusted EBITDAR in Q2. And notably, we hosted 3 of our top 5 largest groups by revenue ever during the quarter. We recently opened our new hotel tower at Hollywood Columbus on June 12, strengthening our position as the leading regional gaming destination in the state of Ohio. The property generated an all-time net revenue record in July, the first full month with the hotel open. Over the hotel's first 1.5 months of operations, we have seen outer market guests account for 85% of hotel cash revenue, which again speaks to it being a regional gaming destination. Additionally, over that same time frame, rated guests have increased their average daily work by 10% when staying at the hotel. Our final of the 4 growth projects, Hollywood Casino Aurora, opened on June 24, and while still early, has been showing strong growth KPIs, approximately doubling admissions, slot volumes, table volumes and non-gaming revenues versus prior year levels. Our hotel is also attracting higher worth customers with our rated guests generating 21% higher average daily worth when staying at the property. The property is also driving trial and expanding our reach in the market as 20% of our guests since opening have been new to Hollywood Aurora. Additionally, 25% of our guests since opening were reactivated customers. Up next in the pipeline will be the relocation of Hollywood Council Bluffs, which is expected to open in 2028. This project will convert a first-generation Riverboat Casino license into a modern and more efficient land-based facility that will connect seamlessly with our existing 444-room hotel. We believe the new property will greatly enhance our competitive positioning in the greater Omaha market. The project has an anticipated construction budget of $180 million to $200. That budget, the programming and the design will be very similar to the new Hollywood Joliet in Illinois. And with that, I'll turn it over to Felicia.

Felicia Kantor Hendrix

executive
#4

Thanks, Jay. Our Retail segment generated record quarterly revenues of $1.5 billion and adjusted EBITDAR of $517.2 million, which reflects year-over-year growth of approximately 4% in revenues and 6% in adjusted EBITDAR, respectively. Adjusted EBITDA margins were 34.4% and flow-through improved quarter-over-quarter and year-over-year, reflecting our property team's efforts to manage costs across the board, including labor, marketing and G&A efficiencies. Importantly, we saw strong performance across the portfolio, including, but not limited to, contributions from our 4 recently completed development projects. Underscoring this point, same-store revenues and adjusted EBITDAR grew approximately 2% and 4%, respectively, in the quarter. We're raising our full year 2026 retail revenue and adjusted EBITDAR guidance to reflect the better-than-expected results in the second quarter and an increase in our prior assumptions for the second half of the year. The midpoint of our revised 2026 revenue guidance is $5.87 billion. And for adjusted EBITDAR, our new guidance is $1.963 billion at the midpoint, which implies a 50 basis point year-over-year improvement in adjusted EBITDAR margins for the second half of the year at the midpoint. Our new guidance implies the continued expectation for retail adjusted EBITDAR to grow year-over-year in the mid-single digits, more specifically at a rate similar to the 5.6% growth we just reported for the second quarter. We expect normalized seasonality in the second half of the year. Our Interactive segment generated revenues of $349.4 million in the second quarter, including a skin tax gross-up of $185.5 million and adjusted EBITDA loss of $9.5 million. On the revenue side, we experienced solid growth across our key focus areas, U.S. iCasino and our Canadian operations, which was somewhat offset by customer-friendly online sportsbook outcomes and lower volumes, as Jay touched on earlier. On the adjusted EBITDA side, we delivered another quarter of meaningful improvement year-over-year, reflecting disciplined execution of our strategy to drive profitability. We are fine-tuning our 2026 Interactive segment revenue guidance to $1.57 billion from our prior $1.6 billion to reflect recent and current operating trends. Our new guidance includes a skin tax gross-up of roughly $830 million, up from $820 million prior and assumes modest year-over-year growth in both OSB and iCasino for the second half with iCasino growth higher than OSB growth. We continue to expect an adjusted EBITDA loss of $20 million in our Interactive segment for 2026, inclusive of a $20 million investment for our Alberta launch. As we have guided previously, the third quarter is expected to be the largest quarterly loss of the year given our investment in Alberta, and we expect the fourth quarter Interactive segment adjusted EBITDA to be positive. We expect the other category adjusted EBITDA to be negative $119 million for 2026, unchanged from our original guidance back in late February. The table on Page 9 of our earnings release summarizes our cash expenditures in the quarter, including cash payments to our REIT landlords, cash taxes, cash interest on traditional debt and total CapEx. Of our total $98 million of CapEx in the quarter, $58 million was project CapEx, primarily related to our development projects. We ended the second quarter with total liquidity of $1.9 billion, inclusive of $887 million in cash and cash equivalents. In April, we refinanced our $1 billion revolver, which is currently undrawn and our $447 million Term Loan A facility, both now mature in 2031. And in May, we repriced and extended our Term Loan B facility, which now matures in 2033. Also in May, we repaid the remaining $106.7 million principal balance of our 2.75% convertible notes due 2026, which eliminates 4.5 million potentially dilutive shares associated with the notes. And in June, we received approximately $225 million in funding from GLPI for the new Hollywood Aurora. We elected not to take GLPI capital in connection with the construction of our Hollywood Columbus Hotel Tower. Following these transactions to strengthen our balance sheet, our nearest maturity is now our $400 million 5 5/8 notes, which are due in January 2027. As we highlight on Slide 5 of our earnings deck, our near-term deleveraging goals have improved since we provided them in April, benefiting from an improvement in our cash flow outlook. Specifically, the $31 million increase in the midpoint of our retail adjusted EBITDA guidance flows fully into cash flow given our reiteration of our maintenance CapEx and other uses of cash for 2026. While we are reiterating our maintenance CapEx guidance of $220 million, 2026 project CapEx has been refined to $180 million from our prior $200 million guidance given a shift of some spend from 2026 into 2027, which brings our total 2026 CapEx guidance to $400 million from our prior $420 million forecast. We continue to expect total cash payments under our triple net leases to be $1 billion in 2026. For 2026 cash interest expense, net of interest income, we continue to project $150 million. And for cash taxes, our outlook is unchanged. We do not expect to be a cash taxpayer in 2026. Our fully diluted weighted average common share count at the end of the second quarter was 135 million shares. RSUs and stock options are diluted by about 2 million shares annually. And as I just mentioned, we repaid the remaining convertible notes in May, which removes the related dilution from the share count calculation going forward. I'll now turn it back to Jay.

Jay Snowden

executive
#5

Thanks, Felicia. With the second quarter under our belt, 2026 continues to be a year of strong execution for us, and I can't thank our team members across PENN enough. We delivered record quarterly retail segment revenue, raised our retail guidance, continued to improve Interactive profitability and further strengthened our balance sheet. During the remainder of the year, we remain focused on growing cash flow, reducing leverage, optimizing our corporate overhead and maintaining a disciplined approach to capital allocation. And with that, Tasha, we can open up the line for questions.

Operator

operator
#6

[Operator Instructions] We'll take our first question from Daniel Politzer with JPMorgan.

Daniel Politzer

analyst
#7

This was going pretty quickly, so I think I got my math right, but the online sports betting or the interactive core revenues, I think you reduced by $40 million, but you did hold your adjusted EBITDA guide for $20 million loss. Can you kind of walk through the puts and takes to that a bit? And were there some cost savings and labor efficiencies in there that you'd call out?

Aaron LaBerge

executive
#8

Yes. There's labor efficiencies. We continue to find efficiencies in our cost structure related to technology as well as we look at third-party vendors. And of course, our marketing expenses are down as well. So it's mainly marketing and cost structure improvements.

Daniel Politzer

analyst
#9

Got it. That makes sense. And then on the land-based side, obviously, some strong margin improvement there. As you think about kind of the rest of the year and the cadence, I think usually, first quarter through third quarter, it's roughly the same and you step down in fourth quarter, but you have the properties that you recently opened continuing to ramp. So can you give us an idea of how to think about margins and the expansion from here going forward?

Jay Snowden

executive
#10

Yes, happy to, at least as it relates to the second half of the year. So we beat on revenues, 4% EBITDAR, 6% in the second quarter, and that's exactly what we're guiding to do in the second half of the year as well, kind of just mirroring on a year-over-year basis, the performance in the second quarter. So I think I would look at that the same way for third quarter and for fourth quarter. To your point, Dan, fourth quarter is the lightest revenue, lightest EBITDAR and lightest margin quarter of the year, but we would expect to see the same 4% revenue, 6% growth -- sorry, EBITDAR growth in the fourth quarter. So from -- if you sort of shake all that out, our margins -- EBITDA margins were higher by about 55 basis points in the second quarter year-over-year, and we're anticipating the second half of the year to be right around 50 basis points improvement, both third quarter and fourth quarter, if that makes sense.

Operator

operator
#11

We'll take our next question from Brandt Montour with Barclays.

Brandt Montour

analyst
#12

So I wanted to start out with iCasino. Obviously, you called out iCasino first grew quarter-over-quarter, year-over-year. It's hard for us to see it in the reported numbers, right? We see iGaming reported down slightly quarter-over-quarter and the overall iGaming growing low single digits year-over-year, but we know that's not the same mix. So could you just kind of maybe flesh out iCasino first growth cadence and trajectory to help us get a sense for how the back half could trend?

Aaron LaBerge

executive
#13

Yes. So we're seeing strong growth on our standalone casino product, and we have since we launched. So the somewhat softness there is related to the play from our sportsbook app where people are cross-selling into casino. And so the volume softness there has affected revenue there. But we still feel really good about our standalone business and casino through the end of the year.

Brandt Montour

analyst
#14

Okay. And then on the overall sports business, Jay, you gave us some qualitative commentary on hold with the overall message that hold was an impact. Any way you could maybe quantify that just given we're dealing with small numbers here on a net basis, and so it could actually swing the complexion of the overall digital results here.

Jay Snowden

executive
#15

Yes. We -- the quick math, easy math on that is it's roughly $3 million impact hold for the quarter. So we would have been closer to a $6.5 million loss had we come in flat year-over-year on hold.

Operator

operator
#16

We'll take our next question from Barry Jonas with Truist.

Barry Jonas

analyst
#17

Curious if you could maybe just give a little more color about the Aurora ramp relative to Joliet. And then as we think about Council Bluffs, given all the similarities with Joliet, should we expect a similar ROI and ramp there as well?

Jay Snowden

executive
#18

Yes, I'll tackle the second one first just because it's top of mind. I would say, yes, with regard to the similarities between Council Bluffs and Joliet, budget, programming, design. And I think even from a ramp perspective, we would expect, just like we did for Joliet to sort of get those margins where you would expect them to be maybe by month 12 to month 15. We're getting really close, I think, on the Joliet side now. We're anniversarying the opening of that property here in a matter of days. And we're happy with the trajectory of the margins. You see some of that in the Midwest segment where we had a really strong quarter. So I think so from a -- as you're thinking about Council Bluffs in '28, that's probably going to be the best property and the best model to look at in terms of how Joliet ramped over time. Aurora, remember, we have a hotel now 225 rooms. We did not have a hotel at the old location. So we are seeing really strong demand from VIP segment, customers that we did know, but we're seeing much higher play when they visit us now because they're staying in the hotel. We're seeing an uplift of over 20% when they stay in the hotel from what their worth was previously at the old facility. That's, I think, very good news. When Joliet first opened, if you recall, the growth on a year-over-year basis was kind of in that 55% to low 60% year-over-year. It's been growing -- since then, the last several months have been closer to call it, 75%, 80% year-over-year. And it's only 1 month. So I don't want to underwrite this, but just in sharing what we're seeing in the business. Certainly, we're happy with the results, and we shared some of the KPIs for Aurora, but the business has almost essentially doubled in the first full month. Again, things will settle. You get some benefit of everybody coming to see the property in that first month, but we're very pleased with what the response has been and the feedback we're getting is very positive.

Barry Jonas

analyst
#19

That sounds great. Just as a follow-up, Yesterday, we heard from a large OSB operator that they're going to be leaning into reinvestment. I'm not sure what other competitor responses will be, but maybe just comment on that, if anything in your interactive strategy could change as a result? Or do you see any potential risk to your financial outlook depending on how this plays out?

Jay Snowden

executive
#20

Yes. It's a good question. We read or heard the same commentary. I guess, the way we're thinking about it, Barry, it hasn't changed in terms of our approach because we anticipated football season being quite the arms race this year. You're going to have prediction markets that are targeting customers for the first football season ever given the time line of when they actually went live was close to Super Bowl last year. So we already assumed it was going to be a very aggressive irrational marketing spend, advertising and new customer acquisition approach this football season. I think this just speaks to it being aggressive not only from a prediction market standpoint, but maybe some of the incumbent OSB digital-only players as well. So it doesn't change the way we're thinking about it. I think it is a very competitive marketplace out there right now. Michigan is a good example. It's been quite the aggressive environment there with a couple of private operators that have launched in the last couple of quarters, and we've held up quite well in Michigan. And so we would expect to hold up well in football season. We already assumed in our projections for the remainder of the year that it would be very competitive, and we think we're faring quite well in states like Michigan, where we're already seeing an environment like that.

Operator

operator
#21

We'll take our next question from Joe Stauff with Susquehanna.

Joseph Stauff

analyst
#22

First question I wanted to ask you is, just to clarify, I don't think so, but within your guide for the year on retail, are you assuming anything with respect to potential benefit in Pennsylvania following the Supreme Court ruling?

Jay Snowden

executive
#23

We are not building any of that in, Joe. We -- the way that we guided, we basically guided the beat in Q2 and then an incremental $10 million for the second half of the year is the quick math there. And we're coming off of a strong month in July. So I mean one of the things -- the questions that we have been fielding in some investor meetings was is the first half of the year as good as a guess kind of thing for regional gaming because of the tax return being higher this year. And I would say, certainly within our portfolio, we don't believe that's the case. And we have a slide in our presentation that lays out the tailwinds and sort of the lack of headwinds coming at us right now, and we do feel that momentum continuing into the second half of the year. But that's the quick math on the guide.

Joseph Stauff

analyst
#24

And what do you think about like any tailwind that you might expect, say, in Pennsylvania, whether it be in the fourth quarter? I know there's an October 15 deadline or maybe that is some sort of tailwind in '27?

Jay Snowden

executive
#25

I think it's a good question, Joe. I don't want to sort of bake it into our assumptions until we know how this plays out. Recall that when the Supreme Court ruled those skill games to be illegal, they gave the legislature 120 days to try to figure out if there's going to be enabling legislation to regulate and tax. And so we have to see how that plays out. We obviously have a big seat at the table. We have 4 land-based casinos in the state of Pennsylvania and are well connected in Harrisburg. So I think we'll just have to see how that plays out over the course of the next -- I think the date is sometime in October.

Joseph Stauff

analyst
#26

And if I could just squeeze...

Jay Snowden

executive
#27

Real quick, sorry. I would say along to your question, Missouri did come to a similar conclusion. The Attorney General in Missouri has been doing a great job of shutting down these skill-based gains. I don't think it's by coincidence that our Missouri properties have been performing very well over the last couple of quarters, not that they haven't previously, but the last couple of quarters, our results in St. Louis and Kansas City have been very strong.

Joseph Stauff

analyst
#28

Yes, I appreciate that. And if I could just squeeze something in. Is there -- Aaron, is there anything different within, say, the Alberta kind of operating framework that would suggest that you couldn't get a similar amount of share that you have in October, Ontario in Alberta?

Aaron LaBerge

executive
#29

I don't think so. I mean, first of all, our product has never been better. We're going into a competitive market, but we're spending aggressively relative to what we did in Ontario. And early results from a handle perspective, even though it's a slow sports calendar are very encouraging. So we anticipate to be very aggressive, and we hope to have the same and similar market shares to what we enjoy in Ontario. That's the focus, and it's looking good so far.

Jay Snowden

executive
#30

Yes. Certainly, that's our target, Joe, to your point. And so we figure with it being a more competitive sort of starting gate in Alberta that we needed to be a little bit more aggressive in our spend per capita, and we're feeling good about that decision so far.

Operator

operator
#31

We'll take our next question from Jordan Bender with Citizens.

Jordan Bender

analyst
#32

There's been a couple more assets that have been put up for sale at least publicly on the retail casino side since the last time we spoke. So curious to get your temperature on M&A? And could you look to Vegas just kind of given what you know today?

Jay Snowden

executive
#33

Yes, it's a good question, Jordan. I mean, look, I'd like to be in the position that we are right now at PENN, where we have several compelling options as we think about capital allocation. This year, the big focus has been on delevering, and we're having some real quality and conversations with long-only investors about the balance sheet and the direction of our leverage profile. And that's going to continue to be a big focus for us at PENN to get that lease adjusted net leverage down below 5x. We're heading there quickly, which is great as you look out to the end of the year and certainly in early 2027, get that traditional net leverage down below 2. Again, we're headed there very quickly. So that's clearly a priority for us. We'll continue to be certainly over the next 12 months. Share repurchases continue to sound and look very good. Our free cash flow yield on 2027 consensus is still sitting pretty close to 20%. That doesn't make sense to me, but certainly makes buying back shares a lot more attractive anywhere in those sort of mid- to high-teen levels, and that's where we've been trading. And then lastly, we're -- it's early, but we've been very happy with the results with these 4 growth projects, and we do have other growth projects that we've been analyzing, 3 right now that we're feeling really positive about. And we believe that there's a level of predictability with those investments because we've done it before. I think we know what to expect. It's a little bit more proven versus you're taking a shot on M&A, it's less proven. So in terms of what the return profile will be. So it's not to say that we wouldn't look. It's just to say that we're probably, in that case, going to wait for an inbound, and it's going to have to check several boxes for us. It's going to have to, with a high level of confidence, deliver a better return than what we can do in some of these other capital allocation categories. And I think it's also going to have to be something that adds strategic value for us in terms of like geographic location as it get us to a new market or a bigger presence in a market that we enjoy being in.

Jordan Bender

analyst
#34

Great. I appreciate that color. And then a follow-up on the iGaming side of the business, it seems like a big focus, especially in the back half of the year. Can you just kind of talk to as you think about your investment or your customer acquisition within iGaming, how are you focusing that on direct versus cross-sell from sports into iGaming?

Aaron LaBerge

executive
#35

Well, we're going to continue to focus on growing casino. Clearly, standalone is on a hot growth path. We're going to lean into that. Casino in general, has very attractive CACs, customer acquisition costs. So we're exploiting that currently. On the Sportsbook side, we are planning to grow through the end of the year. If you remember, we rebranded from ESPN BET to theScore Bet in December. And as sort of that audience normalizes, what we've realized is theScore brand, while still small and growing in the U.S. is very loyal. And so we're taking care of those users. We saw a lot of engagement and reactivation through the World Cup, and we're keeping those people engaged through football. So we feel good there. So cross-sell should continue as the Sportsbook business grows as well, but very focused on Hollywood.

Operator

operator
#36

We'll take our next question from Lizzie Dove with Goldman Sachs.

Elizabeth Dove

analyst
#37

I just wanted to go back to what you said a question or so ago, just on the desire to kind of do more of these growth investments at your existing properties, which seems to have been going very well so far. And if I heard you right, I think you said there was maybe kind of 3 that were on the docket or consideration list. And so could you maybe expand on that in terms of what the kind of benchmarks are and hurdle rates as you kind of think about which to do or not to do within the remaining portfolio?

Jay Snowden

executive
#38

Yes. Happy to, Lizzy. Of those 3, I would say one is a very compelling hotel project along the lines of what we're seeing for Columbus. And so again, we're doing the analysis there and feeling better, and we're learning a lot, obviously, along the way, both Aurora -- I shouldn't say both Aurora and resort and Columbus. So hotel, we're feeling like we've got a really good handle on the right size, the right design, quality, size of room, amenity package to deliver the right return. So I would say that's the -- there's a hotel one that we're taking a hard look at right now. And then there's a couple of water to land conversion projects. And you should expect that we would do those probably in the South region is where those would likely be. There's another opportunity in the state of Illinois as well. I would say as we're thinking about those projects, we're not in a rush to get them all going at the same time. I think it makes the most sense just from a dollars out the door perspective to spread these out. We have Council Bluffs that is scheduled to open in '28. If we're to announce something else, it would probably be a 29 opening and then the next one will be a 30 opening is the way to think about it. That's certainly the way we're thinking about it internally so that we can continue to do what we believe the priorities are with -- from a free cash flow and capital allocation perspective. You can delever, maybe buy back stock and pursue these projects simultaneously. But if you do all of them all at the same time, you're a little bit more limited in being able to kind of walk and chew them.

Elizabeth Dove

analyst
#39

Makes sense. And then it might be a little early for me to ask this question, but just given you've seen this really strong acceleration in cash flow and taking up your guidance today, just how do you think about kind of growing off these levels into '27 and beyond? Just high level, any kind of moving pieces that we should be thinking about?

Jay Snowden

executive
#40

I mean, it is early. So fair on that. We're not going to get into guiding for next year at this point. We've got another 5 months to go. I would say that we're feeling good about the momentum in the business. And as we look out to '27 and even '28 at this point because casinos take time to build, we're not seeing new supply projects that are being built or have even been announced that would likely impact us over the next couple of years. Now that could change tomorrow in a market. But the runway for us is about as good as it's been. You consider '26, we didn't really have any new casino openings other than a couple of smaller ones in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. And the next couple of years, it looks pretty clean. So I think that's something to keep in mind. We're feeling good about heading into next year without having those headwinds coming at us and impacting us in some of our key markets. And we expect the momentum in the business at PENN to continue to move forward into '27.

Operator

operator
#41

We'll take our next question from Jeff Stantial with Stifel.

Jeffrey Stantial

analyst
#42

Maybe starting off on iCasino. I want to follow up on Jay something you said in response to Barry's question, which is we talk a lot on the sports and the prediction side on CPAs moving higher and higher. But to your point, there has been some competition coming in on the online casino side as well. Aaron, curious just to get your thoughts here on sort of the competitive environment in casino, iCasino relative to, say, 6 months ago. And then from a retention standpoint, just help us think about sort of when you do see a new competitor come into a given market, what's sort of the response? You lose a little bit of play out of the gate, stickier players come back naturally? Do you have to bonus to get them back eventually? Just sort of help us think about how you find an equilibrium 1, 2, 3 months after a new competitor comes into a given state.

Aaron LaBerge

executive
#43

I think promo obviously, is key in making sure that your product is sticky and serving the user. But then clearly, as competition comes in and people spend on the promo cycle, it's very important that our CRM is really focused not only on our most valuable users, but on retaining them as well. And so that's a big focus. As I said before, CACs have been very attractive on the Hollywood side, which is where we continue to spend a lot of our marketing dollars and promotion dollars around the brand, and we expect that to continue throughout the end of the year.

Jeffrey Stantial

analyst
#44

That's great. And then maybe switching gears over to the retail business. I wanted to ask on the M Resort project. Jay, curious, if you look at that property's results and maybe compare it against some of the public numbers on the broader market, just curious how much you think the project is growing the overall market versus taking share? And then competitively, have you seen sort of any response from some of the surrounding casinos as they try to build back share?

Jay Snowden

executive
#45

Yes. The Las Vegas locals results are all publicly reported every month. And so you see the trends there. And they've been, I would say, kind of flattish so far this year. Obviously, with our new hotel, we would expect to be leading in terms of growth, and we are. I'm not saying I know how every property in the market is doing. Obviously, Durango is continuing to do great for Red Rock Resorts. But M Resort for us, I think we're targeting a bit of a different customer profile. Certainly during the week, we're more of a eating and convention destination for people from all around the country. And then on weekends, there's definitely strong locals business, but we also are a destination for people driving in from Southern California. So our model is a little bit different, and we have just shy of 800 rooms there now to be able to accommodate leisure customers, casino customers, cash paying, convention business, and we're continuing to do really significant A-level entertainment out by the pool and driving 5,000 to 8,000 people per event. So I would say we feel like our model is a little bit different there. So I'm not sure that we're really taking share from folks as much as probably growing that part of the Las Vegas Valley and certainly our end resort property as a regional destination. So we're feeling good about the place that we sort of -- we sit in and how that fits in with the rest of the competitive set in the Las Vegas locals market.

Operator

operator
#46

We'll take our next question from Shaun Kelley with Bank of America.

Shaun Kelley

analyst
#47

Jay or Felicia or Aaron, maybe just a quick -- any quick update you could give us directionally on just how big Ontario's contribution is overall to the online segment now. I know we don't break it out specifically, but that is a market that we just don't get as much kind of data on. And I think the idea here is more to give us some context for trying to size the Alberta opportunity for you going forward.

Jay Snowden

executive
#48

Yes. We haven't provided that breakdown by market, Shaun, previously. I would tell you that it is our #1 largest market, both on the OSB side as well as in -- well, I would say it's right there with Pennsylvania for us on iGaming. But it is actually by a good margin, our #1 market for OSB. So you can kind of back into how we do in Pennsylvania and assume that OSB is probably closer to maybe 2x or 2.5x what we do in PA and iGaming would be very similar.

Shaun Kelley

analyst
#49

Perfect. And then going back to your -- an earlier question on project CapEx for the sort of the land-based piece. I think, Felicia, if I caught it right, if you were thinking about project capital or maybe an opening in 2028 and then a potential next project or land-based conversion being in 2030, would that directionally imply something like $100 million of project capital a year? Again, not trying to hold you to guidance and appreciate these numbers can be lumpy, but just trying to think about how you're thinking about the phasing of cash flow.

Felicia Kantor Hendrix

executive
#50

Yes. Like Jay said, just to repeat, well, for our future projects, we will probably have a year. It's hard to talk about is it not going to be $100 million a year because the build-outs will intersect. So I think that if you look at what our project CapEx is in 2026, that's probably a good proxy to use for estimates going forward.

Jay Snowden

executive
#51

Maybe a little bit -- that might be a little bit on the high side, just to have multiple coming in at the same time, but...

Felicia Kantor Hendrix

executive
#52

Yes, there's some crossover. So it's -- again, in terms of staging them, but if you think about if you want to just build out your model, maybe plus, give or take, what we said for this year, which is $180 million.

Operator

operator
#53

We'll take our next question from John DeCree with CBRE.

John DeCree

analyst
#54

I wanted to ask, Jay, about the promotional environment. I think in a prior question, you briefly touched on some of the pressures from competitive new supply starting to fade. But this time last year, we were talking about some of your competitors kind of elevating their promotional intensity. From where you sit today as it stands, have you seen anything change in the retail business on the promotional front? Has that subsided a little bit? And we've seen broadly pretty strong regional numbers across the board. So curious how the environment sits today.

Jay Snowden

executive
#55

Yes. It's -- I would say the regional gaming environment is as healthy as I've seen it in a really long time. There really aren't any markets that stand out as being irrational from a marketing reinvestment standpoint right now. Baton Rouge, maybe a little bit just because you have a new opening there, but we have a high-end property there that targets more of a mid-, high worth customer. And so we're, I think, holding up quite well in Baton Rouge. But as you look across the rest of the portfolio, those GGR state reported numbers every month are not being driven by higher levels of reinvestment. You see our margin profile in the second quarter, growth year-over-year, 55 bps. We anticipate growing our margins again second half of the year by 50 bps, which would tell you we have confidence in our ability to execute. And our teams are doing an amazing job. It's not one thing. The teams, both interactive, retail, everyone's focus on driving efficiencies and doing more with less and being really smart on every marketing dollar spent to make sure we've got a strong return on that dollar and challenging areas of the cost structure that maybe would have been considered more fixed costs in the past. So I couldn't be happier with the performance across the company in the first half of the year, and everyone is laser-focused on continuing to do as good, if not better, in the second half of the year.

John DeCree

analyst
#56

And if I could follow up on the M&A question earlier. Based on what you've all seen so far and learned from omnichannel states, you've mentioned a couple of boxes that maybe M&A would need to check. Where does having retail and digital presence kind of rank in the importance of future M&A? And I guess Canada could be an example where you have a pretty strong digital position, but no retail exposure yet. Is that an interesting enough opportunity with the cross-sell that you've seen thus far that maybe some of those markets where you have digital but not retail are uniquely interesting to you?

Jay Snowden

executive
#57

Yes. I would say, John, that what really matters in that case, if you want to see omnichannel work is you need iCasino and land-based casino, just having sports betting as the digital offering in land-based, you're not going to see as much crossover. So yes, I would circle the states that are either already live with iCasino or states that are maybe likely -- most likely to go next, that would certainly check maybe a smaller box from a strategic value perspective for us. We certainly would want to -- we're interested at some point of getting into states maybe that we're not in or there's markets that maybe we have a smaller position than we would like to have. And so those would be interesting. But again, we're just -- we're not going to -- we're not chasing -- we'll probably wait for inbounds on the assets that will be available through some of the M&A that's taking place in the space, at least for the next 12 months. It would have to be right price, right location and potentially omnichannel to your question.

Operator

operator
#58

We'll take our next question from Steve Pizzella with Deutsche Bank.

Steven Pizzella

analyst
#59

Just on the 4Q Interactive profitability, can you help us bridge the drivers of that, whether from Alberta, iCasino, OSB margins? How should we think about that bridge?

Aaron LaBerge

executive
#60

In terms of profitability through the end of the year, I mean, clearly, it's going to be casino-driven and Canada driven. Those are our big focuses and then operating profitably in OSB states, making sure that we're focused on high-value customers and retaining the ones that we have today that are of high value. So Canada, casino and then profitably operating in OSB states.

Jay Snowden

executive
#61

Yes. I mean if you look at our contribution margin by category that Aaron just laid out, they're all 3 moving in the right direction quickly in terms of "profitability" at least at the contribution margin level. And that is the team's focus right now. That's the mission, and we're on a really good path.

Operator

operator
#62

We'll take our next question from Trey Bowers with Wells Fargo.

Raymond Bowers

analyst
#63

Just to continue to kind of beat the drum on M&A. Is a strip property, you mentioned strategically necessary. Is a strip property something that you feel like the customer base is asking for if one were to become available? And then two, against that, you guys highlighted the free cash flow yield of the stock for '27. And as you think about any M&A, does that M&A need to produce a return that's better or at least equal to buying your own stock at this point? Or are there strategic points to it that would make you guys say, we'll do something that might not have that kind of level of cash-on-cash return?

Jay Snowden

executive
#64

I mean it certainly Trey needs to be close to those levels. So there might be a strategic reason why you would do something that it doesn't have to be exact or it could be round-up kind of thing. But we have -- like I said earlier, there's -- we have very compelling options from a capital allocation perspective, and that's a good position to be in. I'd like for the share buyback option to be less attractive because our free cash flow yield is lower, and hopefully, it will be soon. But I would say, overall, M&A, we're going to compare that to what does share buybacks look like for us, what is continuing to delever look like. The growth projects internally have very nice cash-on-cash returns next to them as well. So it's going to -- M&A is going to have to really stand out against all 3 of those options, and that makes it a pretty high bar. And I would say for Las Vegas, it would probably be in that category of would our customer love if we had a Las Vegas Strip location. I would say, yes, but with the caveat that not any location, not any product, and we're certainly not interested in acquiring an asset that's going to require another $400 million, $700 million CapEx investment because it's got deferred maintenance. So it would have to check a lot of boxes. We'd love to be on the Las Vegas Strip at the right time, but it would have to be right price, right asset. And who knows what will come on the market, but that would be some of the criteria.

Raymond Bowers

analyst
#65

And I guess just a more micro question in terms of the numbers from the West and the M Resort. There was some margin pressure there and a little less flow-through. Is that just kind of ongoing start-up costs? Or is there anything about that property that we should think about kind of a different margin profile than what you currently have in that segment?

Jay Snowden

executive
#66

Thank you for asking that question. I probably should have been more proactive. If you look in the investor deck, it's a footnote, which is why I'm sure no one has seen it yet. There's some onetime accounting adjustments in the second quarter, and I'll quickly walk you through what those are. So second quarter of this year, we had basically offsetting accounting adjustments. We had a $2 million, what we call good guy accounting adjustment that hit the Midwest region. So you can deduct $2 million from the EBITDAR produced at the Midwest and calculate what the margin was. It's very close to what it was last year when you do that. And obviously, we had strong top line growth, but we are still ramping Joliet and we just opened Aurora. So that's why the margin hasn't really improved there yet, but it's pretty close to flat. In the West, we had a $2 million negative accounting adjustment this year. In addition, in the West, last year, we had a $2 million positive accounting adjustment. So when you're looking at the West, you really need to sort of net out that it should have been $2 million better than what you see and last year's EBITDAR number was really 2 years lower than what you see. So that's how it plays out in the West. And when you do that math, you'll see that the margins in the West were actually up 10 basis points on a year-over-year basis. So we're feeling really good about M Resorts ramp. It's not like we're discounting the hotel to fill rooms. And so thank you for asking the question. We did put that in the footnote. I didn't want to make a real big deal of it because it's accounting adjustments. They wash out for the second quarter this year. There's nothing to consider as being material, but it does move the pieces between the different regions. Tasha, why don't we do one more question?

Operator

operator
#67

Great. We'll take our last question from Daniel Gugliomo with Capital One Securities.

Daniel Guglielmo

analyst
#68

Just one for me. On Aurora, I know the outlet mall is a big draw for people to that area. Is there a seasonal cadence with people traveling there to shop that is maybe different from the traditional trends of regional gaming in Illinois?

Jay Snowden

executive
#69

I would say we'll learn a lot. Obviously, I'd imagine that the fourth quarter is probably going to be really, really busy, which is great because that's typically the slowest quarter of the year for us in the gaming business. But with a lot of shoppers at the Chicago Premium Outlet there, I would expect that we're going to see a lot of new customers coming through and a lot of repeat visitation throughout the holiday period, November, December. So I would say, Dan, give us a little bit of time, and we'll share our learnings with you guys real time. I would expect it to be good for the fourth quarter and probably more even for the other quarters of the year. Okay. Thanks, Dan. And thank you, everybody, for joining our call. We look forward to speaking with you again in a few months to cover the third quarter earnings. Have a great one.

Operator

operator
#70

This concludes today's meeting. We appreciate your time and participation. You may now disconnect.

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