Petróleo Brasileiro S.A. - Petrobras (PETR4) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

Good morning, and welcome to the Petrobras webcast with analysts and investors about the Q3 results for 2025. It's a huge pleasure to be with you today. I'm going to share information with you before we start. This is going to be presented in Portuguese with simultaneous translation into English and the links to both languages are on our Investor Relations website. All participants will follow the internet transmission as listeners. After the session, we will have a Q&A session and you can send your questions through our email, [email protected]. Here with us today, we have Angelica Laureano, the Executive Director of Energy Transition and Sustainability; Clarice Coppetti, the Executive Director of Corporate Affairs; Claudio Schlosser, the Executive Director of Trade and Markets; Fernando Melgarejo, the Executive Director of Investor Relations; Renata Baruzzi, Executive Director of Engineering, Technology and Innovation; Ricardo Wagner, Executive Director of Governance and Compliance; Sylvia Anjos, Executive Director of E&P; and William França, Executive Director of Industrial Processes and Products. To get us started, I'll give the floor to Fernando. Fernando, you have the floor.

Good morning to our investors, stakeholders, shareholders and analysts who always join us in this webcast as well as journalists, Petrobras employees and everyone else following us today. Thank you for joining us in another Petrobras earnings webcast. The scenario has been challenging, especially due to the drop in Brent prices, which impacts not only Petrobras, but the entire industry, both domestically and internationally. This context demands continuous efforts to improve our efficiency. And we've been focusing on these efforts, which is why we had a very positive third quarter, especially with the strong increase in oil production. This strong operational performance was fundamental this quarter, as you will see in the results that will be presented next and were disclosed yesterday. We'll start with Slide 3. I want to highlight especially a new record-breaking oil and gas production in the third quarter, 3.14 million barrels of oil equivalent, 76% above the second quarter of 2025 and almost 17% above the third quarter of 2024. Total operated production also set a record at 4.54 million barrels of oil equivalent. And once again, we set a new record for our own pre-salt production, reaching 2.56 million barrels of oil equivalent. This is due to a 4% efficiency increase in 2025 across operating field and the start-up of new systems. Our E&P pace is intense as well as the entire company. FPSO Almirante Tamandaré, which is part of the Búzios 7 project reached a plateau with only five producing wells and three months ahead of schedule. I'll come back to this project later. It has brought about excellent results. P-78 has arrived at its location in the Búzios field, and it will start operating by the end of the year. P-79 will also leave the origin this month and come to Brazil. And also, when we arrived, our visibility was quite foggy in terms of the schedule of the delivery of these production systems. Ever since we arrived, this is being adjusted. The physical and financial schedule has also been adjusted. We had a CapEx that was slightly higher, but we're currently really comfortable with the deadlines, and we're sure that we'll meet the deadlines or even stay ahead of them. Here, we highlight several milestones in the refining segment. Our key projects to increase S10 diesel supply are advancing. We signed five contracts for the construction of units at the Boaventura complex, which will expand S10 diesel and jet fuel production and also enable Group 2 lubricants production. We also signed all nine contracts for the completion of Train 2 at RNEST. These generated savings of more than BRL 1 billion compared to the reference budgets. By 2029, the refinery will reach a processing capacity of 260,000 barrels per day. These investments are aligned with an increased oil production, and they improve the Brazilian self-sufficiency, contributing to energy security, economic development and emission reduction. In the third quarter, domestic sales of oil products increased 5%, especially diesel, which grew 12% compared to the second quarter of 2025. We exported around 800,000 barrels of oil per day when combined with byproducts exports surpassed 1 million barrels per day, reinforcing oil as Brazil's main export commodity. The refinery FUT closed the quarter at 94%, producing high value-added derivatives. We also obtained relevant environmental licenses such as the preliminary license for the bioQAV and renewable diesel plant at RPBC. The next slide shows our record set by the Cabiunas, Caraguatatuba, Itaborai and Cacimbas gas processing plants, which reached 44 million cubic meters per day of gas specified for sale in August of 2025. This is equivalent to approximately 80% of the total volume consumed in Brazil's integrated network. We made progress in the free market for natural gas, reaching the milestone of 6.5 million cubic meters per day of volume contracted in this modality, which reaffirms the competitiveness of our portfolio. Another important milestone was the construction of the São Tomé CCS pilot project in Macaé, a pioneering project in Brazil for the capture, transportation and geological storage of up to 100,000 tonnes of CO2 per year. Finally, we celebrated the hiring of 850 technical employees and approximately 570 new employees who graduated from the training courses and will work to expand our operations. This was a brief summary of the various deliveries made in recent months. Now let's continue with the next slide. On Slide 7, we see our financial highlights. We achieved an adjusted EBITDA, excluding onetime items of USD 12 billion. Net income, excluding onetime items, reached USD 5.2 billion, a 28% increase over the second quarter of 2025. Operating cash flow closed the quarter at USD 9.9 billion, up 31% from the second quarter of the year. Free cash flow was USD 5 billion, up 44% from the second quarter. With these results, we were able to approve a payment of BRL 12.2 billion in dividends. These figures demonstrate our ability to generate consistent and positive financial results, ensuring returns to shareholders even in a scenario of lower oil prices. Next slide. Here on Slide 8, we detail the progress of operating results. Note that oil and gas production increased by 8% in the quarter. And considering the last 12 months, growth was 17%. In the oil segment, in the green range of the first chart, we increased production to more than 2.5 million barrels of oil per day, setting several operational records. We increased efficiency, reduced production downtimes and reached peak production at the Almirante Tamandaré FPSO, exceeding its nominal capacity. With this increase in production, we also managed to increase oil sales by around 14%. Sales of oil byproducts grew 5% compared to the second quarter with diesel standing out. This operational performance supported solid financial results and robust cash generation, which we will see in detail on the next slide. In the third quarter, Brent rose 2%, contributing to the period's results, but it's also important to analyze the last 12 months. In one year, Brent fell by USD 11 per barrel, and we were able to offset this impact with higher production and improved operational efficiency. The charts show that we were in line with the results for the third quarter of 2024 when Brent was at USD 80 per barrel. In fact, adjusted EBITDA, excluding one-off events, reached USD 12 billion in the third quarter of 2025, surpassing the EBITDA recorded in the third quarter of 2024. This reflects the excellent work of our teams who have transformed their efforts into more oil, more gas and more derivatives. Next slide. On Slide 10, we will detail the distribution of CapEx, which totaled USD 5.5 billion in the third quarter of 2025. 85% of this investment is concentrated in exploration and production. 11% were allocated to refining projects and 2% to the gas and low carbon energy segment. In E&P, where CapEx is concentrated, we observed that the investment growth occurred mainly in more subsea activities and platform construction. In platforms, we had a greater concentration of contractual milestones in the third quarter. Notably, the sale away of P-78 and starting construction of the Sépia 2 hull, both in line with plans. In subsea activities, we began the prelaunch of lines for Búzios 6, which increased our investments in the quarter. This unit should start producing and generating returns later this year. Also in the third quarter, we drilled 20 wells, completed 10 and interconnected 23. These activities contributed to increase our production. In the end of October, a total of 65 wells were interconnected, 41% more than the whole of last year. This is why our investments are in production development, especially in the Búzios field. Búzios is truly an exceptional asset. There are six platforms in operation. And last week, the field reached a record daily production of 1 million barrels per day. I want to emphasize that we have a unique portfolio, especially in the E&P segment, where almost 90% of the company's investments are concentrated. Our strategy for delivering these investments has already begun to bear fruit with significant growth in production, but we still have much to reap with the entry of new systems, which over the next two years will add 900,000 barrels per day of capacity. Delivering these projects on time or even ahead of schedule, as I said, while maintaining the projected cost means generating value for our shareholders above and beyond short-term dividends. We have a much more long-term perspective now than short term. Let's move on to the next slide. On Slide 11, we will present the reconciliation between accrual-based CapEx and cash investment for the first nine months of the year. We reached USD 14 billion in CapEx from January to September. I want to emphasize that we are on track to meet our guidance at the end of the year. We will be between the midpoint and the upper end of the projection. Before we talk about cash investment, I want to make it clear that we will be above the midpoint of the range because our pace of investment execution is above the one that was projected in the current business plan. This is not, and it is important that this is clear to all of you due to higher project execution costs. All the projects remain the same. I will repeat this, delivering projects on time or even ahead of schedule while maintaining the projected cost means generating value for our shareholders. Now let's explain this cash investment. To get the cash investment value, you must exclude certain expenses that have no effect on cash investments, such as leases, which are classified as financing under IFRS 16 and geology and geophysics expenses, which are classified as expenses in corporate accounting. On the other hand, we must add payments for contracts that were measured in other periods, but left the cash flow in this period due to a lag between the measurement and their payment. especially those related to measurements made at the end of 2024 when we readjusted the financial and physical balance of our projects. There's also the inclusion of payments for contract milestones related to the mobilization of services, especially EPCIs for subsea activities and the formation of inventories of materials and equipment that will only be used in the future that will lead to savings then. So the cash investment for the first nine months of the year came to a total of USD 12.9 billion. Excluding carryover, especially from last year, the CapEx and cash investment ratio was 89%. Before moving on to the next slide, I'd like to emphasize that our CapEx is heavily concentrated in the production curve and the results are already evident as we were able to see in our record production. On Slide 12, we present the company's debt history. We issued two new bonds in September, maturing in 2030 and 2036 to the amount of USD 1 billion each. It was a very successful operation with small spreads relative to sovereign bonds, demonstrating investor confidence in Petrobras. Gross debt reached USD 70.7 billion, slightly above the previous quarters due to these fundings, which strengthened our cash position in the period. Note that our net debt is stable. So the funding we raised taking advantage of an opportunity window like other companies remained in cash. It's important to underscore that we remain within the debt ceiling set out by the business plan. and that more than 60% of the total debt corresponds to leases of platforms, boats and drills, which according to accounting standards must be included in the debt. We should also remember that this portion of leases is associated with assets that generate production and consequently revenue. Next slide. On Slide 13, we present the traditional slide on the company's shareholder remuneration policy. Our policy is flexible and ensures dividends compatible with different oil price scenarios without compromising the company's financial strength. We apply the formula set forth in the policy and will distribute 45% of the quarter's free cash flow. So the Board of Directors approved a distribution of BRL 12.2 billion, as an advanced payment on shareholder remuneration for the 2025 fiscal year to be paid in two equal installments in February and March 2026. Next slide. All the company's work fronts translate into more synergy, higher revenues and concrete results for the company, its shareholders and Brazilian society. In addition to Petrobras' investments in the country and its social and environmental projects, we contribute to economic development through the payment of taxes. We are the company that invests the most in Brazil. From January to September 2025, our activities resulted in almost BRL 200 billion in taxes for society. In the third quarter alone, we paid BRL 68 billion in taxes. This concludes our presentation with two major recent developments. On Slide 15, we highlight the operating license from IBAMA received on October 20 for the drilling of the Morpho exploratory well off the coast of Amapá. On the same day, we began drilling the well. This achievement was the result of an extensive and rigorous discussion process with IBAMA. We fully complied with the licensing process and demonstrated the robustness of the company's structure for environmental protection with the highest safety standards. The estimated total depth of the Morpho well is over 7,000 meters, which places it among the deepest wells ever drilled by Petrobras. This technical complexity reinforces our technological and operational capabilities. We will operate in the Equatorial margin safely and responsibly. The next slide shows a second piece of good news. The FPSO Almirante Tamandaré, which operates in the Búzios field reached a record instantaneous flow rate equivalent to 270,000 barrels of oil per day on October 25. The unit's nominal capacity is 225,000 barrels. So this increase is significant and was achieved without the need for new investments. This is a major achievement for Petrobras' engineering and exploration and production areas. These teams are working on a series of actions to increase production through efficiency gains. Currently, we already have five more production units in addition to Almirante Tamandaré, which have received a favorable opinion from IBAMA for capacity expansion. In total, these expansions without adding CapEx add up to an increase of 115,000 barrels per day, strengthening our production capacity. Around 90,000 barrels per day of this capacity corresponds to Petrobras' share. It's worth noting that for every 100,000 barrels of oil per day that we produce, we have an average of more than USD 2 billion in additional revenue per year. All of these initiatives that we're implementing follow strict safety protocols and are preceded by careful engineering analysis in addition to the necessary authorizations from regulatory agencies. This concludes my presentation. All of the results presented here are the result of the collective effort of our teams, and I'd like to thank each director, especially Magda for her leadership. We will now be available to answer questions from analysts. Thank you.

Thank you, Fernando. Thank you for this presentation. We will now begin the question-and-answer session.

The first question will be by Vicente Falanga from Bradesco.

I have two questions. First, you explained it very well during your presentation that there was an acceleration in developing E&P. But I'd like to understand from your efforts, what has been the contribution of inflation in our industry to the results from FPSO. Also this acceleration in CapEx in 2025, will it remove any constraints for the CapEx in 2026? Or will it offset anything for 2026? The second question is one of our main clients is Braskem, and they're accelerating their cash burn in a very concerning way. We see poor trends for petrochemical margins with unsustainable capital structures. We recently read on the press that this is being discussed at the level of Petrobras' Board. So I'd like to understand a bit more about that since this is becoming an urgent matter. What options does Petrobras have on the table to prevent a drastic situation with the biggest petrochemical company in Latin America, which is one of your main clients.

I'll hand it over to Fernando and then Renata can add to that answer. Go ahead, Fernando.

So let's start by talking about the Brazilian petrochemical industry. This is still a strategic area for us that is very important. Petrobras sees it as very relevant for our ecosystem around oil. So it is still very interesting. When it comes to Braskem specifically and the situation it's going through, it has its own governance that is definitely looking at their societal and cash issue. And we don't currently have anything on the table to discuss with them. We've gotten no proposals to discuss with them about among shareholders. And we're waiting for this moment. We hope that it is soon, but they have their own governance. And we cannot say anything if we don't have any proposals on the table for discussion, for assessment. And this will need to be an investment that makes sense and brings value for Petrobras' shareholders. Concerning CapEx, I'll hand it over to Renata. But I can say that our CapEx has no increase due to inflation, meaning that we are accelerating investments, as I said earlier, investments are being accelerated in the company and projects remain the same. So if I take a project that has a certain budget allocated, this is not going to go up, but we are advancing some of these things. Renata will add to that.

Vicente, thank you for the question. As Fernando said, there is no inflation. It's quite the opposite. We are looking at a stabilization and actually price reduction, especially in the subsea area. We reached high levels in 2024, but we undertook several actions, bringing several players to Brazil. And with that, we were able to get more competitive prices. When it comes, for instance, to the FPSOs, Seap 1 and 2 received three proposals. And the only reason they did not receive the fourth proposal was that one company missed the deadline. But we can't even remember the last time we had four new proposals from companies proposing to us. So competitiveness is back. And we're really speeding up investments, as you can see from the results of E&P production. Most of it, it's not only about FPSO. Just a reminder, we also had new interconnections between wells and rigs. We're also interconnecting an additional 40% vis-a-vis what we did last year up until October, and we still have two more months for new interconnections. And all of that is bringing more oil to the company and all of that means investment in CapEx. We have no expectations of reducing that. Next year, we'll still keep up the investment so that we can anticipate the projects more and more. One very important example to us is P-79. When we took office, we had no expectations as to when P-79 was going to leave the shipyard. People are talking about August 2026, and it will come out of the shipyard next Monday, November 10, it will leave the Korean shipyard. So it's all about management. This is what we're doing. There's no additional money. It's all about management and monitoring so that we can deliver the projects within the expected costs, quality, deadlines and safety levels.

Thanks Renata and Fernando. Now I'll give the floor to Monique Natal from Itaú.

First, I want to congratulate you on the operational performance in the quarter. It was really solid. So congratulations to the teams involved. I'll pick up on the CapEx question, maybe changing perspectives a little bit. And that goes to Renata, picking up on what she said. With this acceleration that we're currently seeing, should we see a reduction in CapEx in the midterm? Maybe you said that not for next year, but maybe 2027, 2028, should we see a reduction given the fact that you're able to anticipate the CapEx a bit? And still the same question, how does the company intend to balance out in the short term this CapEx with the need to maybe tighten the seat belts, so to speak, in the context of lower oil prices? And the second question that may also go to Renata is that considering your big feet in with Almirante Tamandaré, and given the fact that you were able to increase capacity with no additional costs, what do you see in terms of total increment capacity in Búzios with similar measures from the perspective of engineering? Can you increase capacity by 20% in other Búzios rigs, which are more complex, P78,83, would that also be possible? And if that is possible, I mean, if you're able to add additional capacity with no CapEx to the other rigs as well, would that allow the Búzios project to be reconsidered about its need?

Renata, you have a lot of work to do today.

I know. Hi, Monique. I actually joked about this in an interview. At the end of the day, what you're trying to understand is what our strategic plan looks like for the next five years. It's all about who's the murderer, right? Everybody wants to know who the murderer is. But we are going to publish our new strategic plan on November 27, and you will have the possibility of seeing what it looks like for the upcoming years. About the possibility of us increasing the capacity of other rigs. I'll give the floor to Sylvia. But before that, I can tell you upfront that for our own platforms or rigs, the engineering department has been analyzing up to what point we can take our production. We have P-71 and P-70 in Tupi, it's producing a bit more. The capacity is 150. It produces at 159. So we have requested a study for P-78 that will start production next month and P-79 as well, but we don't have an answer yet. Sylvia?

Monique, good morning. This process to increase capacity was a very well thought-out process. We talked to the manufacturer to discuss the potential we are talking about extremely productive reservoirs, Almirante Tamandaré and there are five wells. And we heard from the manufacturer and from the engineering department and the regulator, the classifying society, I mean, we did a very thorough technical work to check the possibility. We saw it's possible and that it applies to other areas, and we'll do that for every unit that can be applied. As Renata said, we're applying it to our own platforms and in some cases, such as P-71, we had done that last year with the installation of a valve that allowed us to increase the production by 10,000 barrels per day. So it's a technical adjustment. But any such type of adjustment is made on an individual basis for each unit after rigorous technical assessment and discussions with the classifying society and other stakeholders. And that also makes a reality in Búzios. It's a spectacular reservoir, a huge field. Each well is producing great results. There's a rock and cavity structure that often produces even more than we initially expected. And that's why we received almost 1 million barrels that we celebrated. And it's also good to remind everybody that we were awarded the OTC award due to the Búzios production that was last week. So each unit will be reviewed whenever there is an opportunity, we will let the market know about that. It's a very positive piece of information for everybody.

Thank you, Sylvia and Renata. Now we'll hear from Thiago Casqueiro from Morgan Stanley.

I have a quick follow-up to Monique's question and two more questions. The follow-up is that when it comes to increasing capacity above nominal capacity, how bureaucratic would it be to get an approval, let's say, for instance, that you find opportunities in other projects? How bureaucratic would that process be? I mean, for you to get an approval? Would it be quick or would it take longer? And my two other questions are, I know that we'll discuss that further in the business plan, but going back to optimization and simplification of projects. So what are the main discussions currently about Búzios 12 and what could be done there? How does it fit that perspective? And the second question is about the provisional measure from last week. What's your initial take on it about the potential impact of the provisional measure? And also, I'd like to understand how it could affect the decisions to invest in refit projects.

Good morning, Bruno. Well, capacity expansion is a very technical process, but it does not take too long. Almirante Tamandaré, we started the process in February and the entire process was initially discussed, and we got an approval from IBAMA. So it is not a bureaucratic or extremely long process. The entire technical team is involved associated with the classifying body and the agencies. For Búzios 12, I think Búzios will be yet another project that we will review. And well, the fact that there is -- now we are in the bidding process now, and Renata can give us more information about that. And what we're trying to do for all of these units is to really simplify the projects and to have leaner projects that allow us to achieve more competitiveness and seeking out new players so that we can have a competition level that allows us to reach amounts that give us technical and economic competitiveness.

Before we started the bidding process for Búzios 12, we asked the market to send us certification suggestions for the technical specifications. We received many suggestions, many of which were implemented. And with that, we were able to bring down the weight of the top side by 20%. So it was a highly integrated process and a joint effort with the market. And for Búzios 12, we allow for even greater flexibility for companies to suggest even more simplification. So our expectations for Búzios 12 are big. To give you an idea, in terms of prequalified companies for the Búzios 12 bid, we have 12 companies for BOT and 12 EPC companies. They have to be combined. So, theoretically, we could have even -- we come to the point of having 12 proposals with simplification suggestions.

Thank you, Renata. Well, about the provisional measure, it's not yet final or approved. So let's wait for it. But in any case, there are a few things we can say in terms of oil reinjection. Well, reinjection is fundamentally decided based on our fluid, our reservoir and our volume. For instance, areas with an extremely high amount of CO2, it's -- they're basically impossible to work with if you do not reinject. So it is connected directly to the project. So we need to be careful about that. And the second thing is the reference price. Obviously, when we're talking about a huge super giants, everything gets adjusted. But if you talk about the Campos basin, that has a big number of mature fields, and we're now in the middle of a renovation process and that requires -- I mean, margins are smaller. So any addition in the values may render it unfeasible. So it's a big risk for each type of project in the specific case of the Campos Basin, which is very mature, like I said, the risk of increasing collection may render the renovation unfeasible. And I think the renovation is going really well. We have very good goals for the Campos Basin. We'll not forget it. Once again, we want to go back to producing 1 million barrels at the Campos Basin and an increase may lead to the possibility of that happening or an impossibility of that happening.

Now a question from Jorge Gabrich from Scotiabank.

First, congratulations on the operational results. I have two questions, one about refining and the second about the decision-making process for the CapEx. First, about refining. We've been seeing a very high level of utilization even with the downtimes. Would you consider that this level is sustainable? Do you have any comments? I mean, what's the operational security cap that we could think about? And the second question is, I'd like to understand what the decision-making process is like between leasing and owning the FPSO. What's the capital benchmarking that you use in your decision-making process to define whether you're going to adopt one strategy or the other.

I'll give the floor to William first. He'll talk about refining.

Jorge, thanks for the question. Well, the use of refineries considers the process loads versus the reference load of units. The reference load is obviously authorized by the regulator, the Brazilian Oil Agency and the capacity of projects and equipment, guaranteeing reliability, security and sustainability of that load over the course of the entire campaign of that unit. So the FUTs are aligned with the reference load, and they're required -- it's a requirement from the logistics sector of the company under Director Claudio, and he defines the logistic capacity for the period. And I'd like to highlight that for this period in August, we had an FUT of 98%. It's an average FUT because it considers some scheduled downtimes that units have to go through to guarantee equipment integrity and to perform maintenance that occurs periodically, usually every three, four, five years. So that's analyzed. But in August, it was at 98%. So, yes, we're close to the limit of reaching the cap at the units. And this is a number that is planned once again by the logistics and trade area. I'd like to say that we are working with a high reliability scenario, working in integration, and we expect even better results for the last quarter, highlighting that for the last quarter, we'll have a long downtime for the Vale do Paraíba refinery distillation. It's a large unit of 240,000 barrels per day in terms of processing power. So it is undergoing a scheduled downtime and go back to operation in the beginning of December. The results will -- of course, this downtime will have to be accounted for in the FUT.

Well, Jorge, there's no benchmarking for contracting models. At Petrobras, we have a standard defined by Sylvia's department that based on Petrobras' internal technical capacity, for instance, sometimes our engineering department is overburdened with too much work, and we do not have enough headcount or depending on the supplier market, the company's financial capabilities. I mean, there's a series of factors that are taken into account in a risk analysis based on which we consider the best alternative for the company for that specific moment in time in that specific project. So there is no preference for one model versus the other. It's all about a technical decision after looking at the market and the company's internal conditions.

Thank you, Renata. Thanks for your questions, Jorge. Now let's give the floor to Guilherme Costa from Goldman Sachs.

Congratulations, Renata, Sylvia and the entire Petrobras team on the great results. My first question is a follow-up to my -- to the previous questions. The platforms that are running with production above nominal capacity, how sustainable is this level of production? Could we say that this is a new plateau for the production of these rigs? And my second question is about capital allocation. You've been very vocal when it comes to being careful with OpEx and thinking about remuneration to shareholders. Are there any discussions about potential changes to the company's internal policies given the scenario for next year? And about M&A. In last year's strategic plan, we talked extensively about the ethanol market. Do you have any update about the discussions since then? And also about the return to liquid natural gas, was there any change or progress or approval by the Board? And lastly, one last question about M&A. What's the company's appetite for the reserve capacity auction for next year?

Thank you, Guilherme. That's a lot of questions. Well, I'll give the floor to Renata.

About the production peak, basically, whenever we outline a development plan for a field, there's a ramp-up in production. It reaches a plateau and then it decreases. So the production expectations are based mainly on the reservoirs characteristics and availability and all that. So we always try to reach a -- to use a rig where the highest VPL is achieved. We usually design a rig for a production peak. And given the response of the reservoir with higher productivity, the peak was augmented, but the production peak is a restricted period during the operations of the field. After that, it will go down in production as is usually the case. So this increase in production is temporary in the production curve. So we will always try to reach it, but it is within the field development plan, basically based on the capacity of the reservoir.

Thank you, Sylvia. I'll give the floor to Fernando, and Angelica if she has any comments.

Okay. So about all of this that we are discussing, I think the right word here is caution. Considering that there are no changes in policy. We intend to continue holding it. We believe that it's sustainable, and there are other things that we can do before we change the dividend policy. And M&A, everything we do goes through several scenarios. You need to be positive across all of them. So create value with shareholders, whether they are in the government or private. And the second point is that you need to have cash or sustainable cash long term that will -- in which it will make sense to allocate capital to this investment. So nothing will be done if these conditions are not met. And obviously, if there's a lot of pressure on Brent, we have the possibility of postponing any investments that have been contracted.

Thank you, Fernando. Angelica?

Guilherme, so about ethanol, we still strongly believe that ethanol is the strategic driver to achieve low carbon. In our strategic plan, we foresee the addition of renewables by 2050, around 8% to 11% renewables in our primary energy matrix. And so we're negotiating with partners about the possibility of going into this market through a minority stake. Considering our LCAP, which is your next question, we have about 3 gigawatts of energy to sell in this auction. We think it will be difficult when it comes to the -- to allocating the transportation tariff. But we're speaking with the government to find some alternatives to allocate this transportation tariff.

Thank you, Angelica. Thank you, Fernando. We're going to continue with questions from Regis from XP.

Thank you for the space and the entire Petrobras team for these excellent results. Referring back to CapEx, and also the equatorial margin. I'm wondering if you found new evidence that reinforce the potential of the equatorial margin, if we understand how long it will take to develop it. And on a broader sense, if you have a plan B for the equatorial margin basin. I don't know if you have any evidence that will confirm or not confirm your previous assumptions. So when you accelerate CapEx that has a short-term effect in Brent prices. And this coincides with oil prices dropping. So I don't know if this is something that you'd figure into your calculation, but still on acceleration. Another question I have is that when I see the number of wells, especially in Búzios, there seems to be more wells per platform than we would need to meet this capacity given the productivity of the well itself. So does it make sense to drill these wells beforehand? Or would it make sense to reduce the number of drills? So that's my question.

Thank you, Sylvia and Renata will answer your question.

So, first, about the equatorial margin. First of all, we're very happy with the environmental license, and I'll explain the potential we see for it. We started 95 million years ago when the sea close to Brazil -- well, when Brazil was closer to Africa, and you had a small sea there that created all these generating rocks. And this is what led to the development of oil in Ghana. We found it in Zaedyus and then Jubilee. And the same was detected in French Guiana with Jubilee and in Liza in the Guiana Basin. So this potential also is true for Brazil. The same reservoirs that they found in Ghana and French Guiana and Guiana are dated to the same times as the reservoir that we found here. So the fact that we are drilling for it in Amapá refers to these other basins. So we're going to test if the same generation process was effective here, if the quality that we have in this reservoir is the same as we expect, if there was a migration. So this first well will allow us to understand what the basin is like. But this is not enough. We are already planning for eight wells in the region. And in Rio Grande do Norte, we had two findings with smaller volumes, not enough for us to place a unit. But now after Morpho, we are drilling one more well in Rio Grande do Norte. Depending on how much accumulation there is there, we might have a production hub to -- and in Amapá, we're still drilling the first well. We need to find oil. But regardless of the fact of finding it or not, we will need to drill other wells. We celebrated the fact that we got this environmental license, but this is just a license. And you can only find well -- excuse me, oils after you drill the well. So after we understand that, we will need to drill other wells to see these occurrences. So, to set expectations, we're hoping to find oil in this well, but if it's not in this one, we might find it in other ones. And again, in the Campos Basin, we only found it on the ninth well drilled. So the biggest success factor here is having geological similarities, but they can only be considered truly identical if we get the same results. So we are waiting.

Thank you, Sylvia. Go ahead, Renata.

Regis, to talk a little bit about rent balance. It is not impacted by advanced payments. What is, is the project's VPL. It increases significantly as you have an advance of your revenue. So this is not being impacted. What impacts the balance Brent is the total cost of the project. As we're trying to simplify projects, that improves the rent balance. So this affects everything, rigs and all the subsidies. Considering wells, why are we still drilling wells in Búzios, for example? You saw that the Almirante Tamandaré rig, each well produces 50,000 to 60,000 barrels per day. If one of them is left out, that's a major loss for Petrobras. So we need to have reserve wells. That's one thing. On the other hand, the inventory we have of wells ready due to the increase in interconnections is going down fast. So we need to keep up the same pace as we conclude drilling wells, but we always need to look at our fleet and have plans B some companies in Brazil that drill for oil came to us to ask if we could share probes with them. So this is one of the opportunities that we have if we see that we're going too fast. We can slow down our pace and the pace in which we drill our wells. But for now, this is not the case. If we continue at the same pace with interconnections very soon, wells will go into their critical zone. We're having a very healthy dispute our competition here in the engineering team because no one wants to get into that critical zone.

Okay. For the next few questions, I'd like to ask you to stick to one question per person so that everyone gets to ask their question. Let's start with Tasso. Go ahead, Tasso Vasconcellos from UBS. If you can keep it to one question I would like I would thank you. Thank you. I would appreciate it. Thank you.

Okay. So sticking to one question. I'd like to go back to that issue on balancing use sources. I'd like to understand how you're adjusting the company's spending. We've spoken about CapEx, but I'd also like to ask about OpEx. I know that you're going to give more details about this plan at the end of the month, but I'd just like to know how this process is going. how you're thinking of balancing these two pillars? And where do you see the most opportunities or the highest potential to reduce expenses, whether in CapEx or OpEx and in what areas? That's all.

Thank you, Tasso. Fernando?

Tasso, so we're going to publish that plan in the next two weeks. And of course, there's pressure from society and from you to provide information beforehand. But I can only speak about it on -- at a superficial level because we're going to go into details when the time comes. The biggest issue that we're seeing right now in our balance and our results refers to production. There are two very important verticals, cost and revenue. From the revenue perspective, we're increasing the amounts and that improves the conditions for our plans, the results that we are currently having and our future perspectives. From the OpEx and CapEx perspective, we're being very cautious, as I mentioned before. There's a risk of Brent prices going up next year because we believe that the future scenario will lead us in that direction. And that, of course, needs to be related to our confidence level in strategic planning. It will continue to be high, and we will definitely have the possibilities of making adjustments. We're talking about simplifying and optimizing projects, reducing costs across all areas. In the corporate area, we had the PDV that is a part of our reorganization plan. On the short term, we are increasing production, which should be at the top range of our guidance, and we'll publish more information when we have them. We can't provide any details yet.

Thank you Fernando. Milene Clifford from JPMorgan will ask the next question. Milene, can you hear us?

Okay. Now I was able to turn on my microphone. Congratulations on the solid results. We've been talking about this stronger production theory surprising us positively. So we were very happy about the increase in capacity for FPSO and the results that you presented. Most of my questions have been answered. But again, looking at use sources, we heard about this pressure on Brent, but increased production, PDV and containing OpEx to sustain this cash flow for the future. Even with these efforts, we saw that gross debt went up to nearly USD 71 billion, which is close to your USD 75 billion limit, although leverage is stable. So has your mindset changed about this plan? You mentioned that we will probably not see that minimum dividend policy again. So how sustainable is this? And what will be your gross debt limit for 2026 and beyond?

Thank you, Milene. Fernando will answer your question.

From the debt perspective, we have to remember that our cap is USD 75 billion, and we reached nearly USD 71 billion this quarter with the capture we had and this increased the size of our treasury by USD 2 billion. If we look at net debt in the third quarter, we saw a very small change versus the second quarter. It remained basically flat with much more robust cash. And when it comes to strategic planning, since we don't have the intention of changing dividends in our plan, we also believe that it is not necessary to change the cap on our debt. We'll maintain it, but we'll do internal initiatives for efficiency, reviewing projects to do more with less before we change these two points. Here, I'm referring to debt and dividends.

Thank you, Fernando. We will now hear a question from Caio Ribeiro from Bank of America.

I'd like to talk to you about how you see this scenario of lower oil prices. And with this intention to keep gross debt at below USD 75 billion, how does that impact your appetite in participating in bid tenders for noncontracted areas, especially PPSA?

Participating in auctions for Petrobras is just a part of replenishing our reserves. Whenever we have an opportunity, auctions are opportunities of increasing our reserves. So we will definitely participate in all auctions, not only this one. Of course, we are limited in cash flow. We need to be cautious, but we just need to see if this is economically viable. We're still analyzing if we will do that. Recently, we participated in two auctions, which have been won. Sylvia might add to that answer. So auctions for Petrobras are an opportunity to replenish our reserves. So we will, of course, take these opportunities.

I'd like to confirm this partnership with the finance department, the perception about the importance of renovating reserves and the importance of our blocks. As I said before, we will participate in every auction we have in Brazil, looking for the best opportunities and knowing that we need to renovate our reserves. We have one of the best results in Brazil. And we, of course, cannot give up on the possibility of having the best blocks. We went to the auctions in Campos and we won both of them with high competitiveness. So our intention is to be present whenever -- wherever these opportunities are. We have -- it's also great to see that we have a partnership between finances and administration in Petrobras, acknowledging the importance of new areas and new blocks for the company's future. So it's very encouraging to have this communion across all these departments without new areas, it will be hard to be the Petrobras we are today.

Now a question from Gabriel Barra from Citibank.

I'll limit myself to just one question as asked us to do, but I must insist on the CapEx. This is possibly one of the biggest issues we've been discussing with investors in the past few months. I'm facing a little bit of a challenge here when it comes to this year's CapEx and last year's CapEx, we see that there is something close to USD 3 billion to USD 4 billion that are not yet allocated to the projects. So this is probably your range of flexibility to make adjustments as it were. And we just talked about noncontractted areas, ethanol, Braskem, the services market Renata has been talking extensively about adjusting the portfolio of rigs and adjusting the subsea area. undoubtedly, there is a lot to be done, but this market is harder to deal with. Maybe in Namibia, there are several investments that are -- have not been included for next year. And to what extent, and this is an important part of my question, how counterproductive it is to stop a project of the company since most projects are 20 or 30 years long in Brazil, especially when it comes to offshore. So how much flexibility do you have when it comes to the CapEx for next year? That's what I'd like to understand.

Okay. We're going to answer your question jointly, myself and Renata. But by definition, the first years give us the lowest flexibility because there's four or five production systems up until '27, all of them being built. We have contracts signed. So we have a commitment to the supplier. Actually, our suppliers have been great partners to Petrobras. So our flexibility increases as time goes by. For 2026, we do not have a lot of flexibility. The projects, basically 90% of them are already contracted. And this is what we're doing. In the longer term, we have the flexibility of postponing things here and there, and it's a high amount of flexibility. For all the projects that are not yet approved or whose contract has not yet been signed, we have the possibility of postponing them according to what we wish to do.

Well, Gabriel, we have no perspective whatsoever of stopping any projects. Stopping contracted projects is a very negative thing. So that's not even being considered. If you remember about our plan, we have the projects that are under assessment and projects that are already under implementation. I don't know if you remember, we returned two projects to the assessment phase. They were not yet contracted. We were still at the FEL 3 phase, and we decided that we needed to study them further to increase their profitability. So they went back to the assessment desk. So we should consider that our plan includes these two groups of projects. We have greater flexibility, as Fernando said, with the ones that are under assessment.

We should not forget, Gabriel, that 90% of our CapEx is allocated to E&P and production. production is the key word for Petrobras. They're highly structuring for us, and we will continue to invest in them because we are certain that these were very well-assessed projects. And a production system, once it starts producing, it stays in production for 20 or 30 years. And the CapEx happens beforehand.

Last question from Rodrigo Almeida from Santander.

I want to mention something that may be interesting to discuss, which is about decommissioning. We may be in a dilemma in terms of the fact that there are some platforms that could bring about some additional OpEx, but there is an additional decommissioning cost. So I'd like to understand, do you think about reusing the rigs or about somehow postponing the decommissioning of the platform so as to gain more efficiency in the short term? Or I don't know, maybe making a partnership like with Bahia Terra. I don't know if there is anything similar to that partnership for these fields that are going to be decommissioned, if they could be transferred to a partner or not. So this is a bit of an unrelated question, but it could also be interesting to discuss.

Well, Rodrigo, I'm going to share the answer with Fernando. Decommissioning is part of the history of the life of a field. You start with exploration, you develop production and all of them will reach the decommissioning phase. We have more than 50 rigs that are going to be decommissioned. And this -- for the future ones, we are attempting to reduce the -- as much as we can, the period between the interruption of production and decommissioning because now we have, for instance, a huge amount of rigs that need to be decommissioned basically at the same time. And before that, we are extending the lifetime of the rigs for the ones that are in operation. The ones that have already stopped operating, Renata and her team, they're trying to consider how to separate the wells from the rig because -- it's not only about decommissioning a rig because a rig has wells, it has lines and everything underneath that is not seen, 70% or -- that represents 2/3 of the entire cost. So, before removing a platform, you have to remove the wells, the lines and all that. And Renata's group has been working on that to try to as much as possible, quickly displace the platform to be decommissioned so that we can avoid the maintenance costs and the cost for personnel on rigs that are not producing anymore. So our efforts now are to -- are being invested in trying to decommission these platforms as soon as possible.

Well, Rodrigo, when Sylvia's team assesses the lifetime of a rig or a field, that's done seven years before stopping production, which is when we have to let ANP know. Now especially with P-35 and P-37 which are about to be removed from the location because like Sylvia said, all the wells have been decommissioned, all the lines have been cleaned up, so we'll bring the rig to the coast. In that process, we'll try to reutilize the rig. We're setting up a bidding process to at least use the hull. We know that the top side is a bit more complicated because these are really old rigs that do not cater to the current specifications. So we'll now set up a pilot to reutilize the P-35 and P-37 hulls. If we're successful, that may become our new normal, but each case will be different. I was looking, we have 54 rigs out of operation that need to be decommissioned. And all of them are going to be assessed as for what to do with them.

Thanks Sylvia. Thanks Renata. Now we are going to take the last question from Gustavo Cunha from BTG.

Well, my question is in line with this scenario where the company is close to the debt cap. I'd like to understand the rationale of the PDV and if we can expect additional PDV, how the company is balancing out the additional need for OpEx due to new platforms and the use of the required OpEx due to the low price scenario.

Thank you, Gustavo. Concerning the PDV, there is -- we have no plans to release any other PDV. The PDV that we launched is meant for a very specific population. These are or the voluntary separation program, the VSP. There for employees that retired before the social security reform, a little over 1,100 workers. And we worked towards in addition to retaining knowledge, which is extremely important for us, we also worked within the guidelines and parameters established by CGPAR 52, which outlines all the financial limits for the VSPs. So I also want to make it clear that we did a technical level hiring process. We hired more than 1,700 technical level workers and part of them are still being trained at the Petrobras University. Actually, most of them, one thing I didn't mention about the workers that have already retired since 2019, they are technical workers. So the company is managing its headcount very carefully and also working on the knowledge transfer, which is fundamental. We need all of the workers that remain at the company dealing with extremely critical processes for the company and have a very high level of knowledge. It's essential that they transfer that to new workers that are now being hired.

Thank you, Clarice. And with that, we will wrap up. If you have any additional questions, you can send them to the RI team. Before we finish our broadcast, I'll give the floor first to Director Sylvia and then to Director Fernando.

Well, I'd like to highlight in October, we had an oil production of 2.6 million barrels. And this is very positive data. I also want to highlight the importance of adequately managing the reservoir. Maybe for the first time, we're going to have three executive managers specializing in reservoirs and President Magda. She's also a reservoir engineer. She is constantly working with us on managing the reservoirs. So increasing -- there's an increase in production, increase in units, but also greater efficiency in terms of greater water injection, greater production, greater well allocation. So we reached 2.6 million barrels in October, and that's very encouraging news.

So, wrapping up some final words, a perception, actually, the third quarter highlights the results that are produced by the administration of the company. The administration is highly aligned with the company's governance. We're talking about the fiscal Board, the statutory and nonstatutory Boards, the administrative Board, the workers and the Board of Directors. We are all extremely aligned with the long and short-term sustainability of the company, even in the face of a lower Brent and focusing on a few subjects. First, production, we had a CapEx in the past that was highly scrutinized by everybody and led to some questions and the results are seen in production, and we have even more to show you with a strategic plan that will be delivered on the 27th. Also strengthening the entire governance of the company. All the projects go through a scrutiny financial assessment of three scenarios. It has to be positive. They must have a synergy with the company and all that. Also optimizing costs at all levels, whether it is investment costs by finding better engineering solutions, production costs. Our goal is also to try to reduce them. The corporate costs that we've been implementing new projects, projects that would be approved in a normal situation because all scenarios are positive. We understand sometimes that indicators could be even better. So we take a step back, and we are reviewing them to make them even better. Energy transition, which is always on our agenda and will always be on our agenda, has always been and always will be and also a just energy transition. I want to thank you all for watching us and being with us. And as Eduardo said, we are available to take any questions you may have. in our meetings, the chat conferences as is always the case. Thank you, and have a great weekend, everybody.