Photon Energy N.V. (PEN) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
May 17, 2024
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Georg Hotar
executiveGood morning, ladies and gentlemen. It's a great pleasure to welcome you today to the Q1 2024 results conference call for the Photon Energy Group. My name is Georg Hotar. I'm the CEO; and to my left is David Forth, our Chief Financial Officer.
David Forth
executiveGood morning.
Georg Hotar
executiveAnd we'll run you today through the financial results, but also some business highlights in the first quarter of this year. So we'll start with the business review, and David will then take over -- running you through the financial results and our guidance for the year 2024. So now our Investment segment encompasses our IPP portfolio that is the portfolio of PV power plants that is in our ownership and where we generate revenues from the sale of produced electricity remains the [ companion ] of our group in terms of revenue, but also EBITDA contribution. We have in terms of installed capacity, seeing an increase or managed an increase of 3.8 megawatts in the first quarter, taking our total to 131. 1 megawatt peak after the first quarter in April, we connected another plant in Romania. So all these additions are in the Romanian market. So as of today, we have an installed capacity of 132.8 megawatts peak that is generating electricity . We still have 10.7 megawatts as work in progress. These power plants are essentially built and just waiting grid connection and commissioning. And there's only 2 power plants Sarulesti and Faget 3. So the third power plant in a location called Faget. And the commission of these power plants should happen at the end of the second quarter still or at the beginning of the third quarter of this year. And this will take out our -- we'll then take our total of installed capacity above 140 megawatts. In terms of Electricity Generation, if we look back the last 2 years, where in Q1 2023, we have suffered a decline by about 10% based on unfavorable weather. We have now between 2023 and 2024, managed to grow our Electricity Generation by over 24%. And this is driven both by a large installed capacity as compared to a year ago, but as well, more favorable weather conditions that we had in Q1 as compared to last year. But the vast majority of this increase comes from high installed capacity. And I think we can comment as well as we've been publishing the April report yesterday in the month of April, we have had a very good month in terms of irrigation and also energy generation and month-to-date in May, that trend is continuing. The declining trend in energy prices that we have been observing throughout 2023 and coming off the peaks in summer 2022 have also continued since the beginning of this year. So this has had an impact on the revenue generation. As you can see from the realized average revenues in the first quarter as compared to last year, we have been more than stable in Australia and in Romania, we've had a lower realized price. There's been a very significant decline Hungary by almost 50% from EUR 124 per megawatt hour that we realized in the first quarter of last year. In the following quarters last year, those realized prices started dropping and EUR 69 in the first quarter, also based on the fact that seasonally typically energy prices in winter higher than summer has been a disappointment, but this is something that we have addressed in the first quarter by switching all our power plants in Hungary that we previously, as of February 1, 2022, had exited the support scheme. We executed the option to return to the support scheme, the feed-in tariff scheme and that became effective April 1, 2024. So we've essentially stayed out with about 40 megawatts peak of installed capacity in Hungary in the market for exactly 2 years, returning back into the feed-in tariff as of effective April 1 this year. That means this -- the effect of this step will become visible in our revenues starting at the end of the second quarter. And the feed-in tariff in Hungary is indexed. The formula is CPI, minus 1%, the average CPI in given year, which in Hungary last year reached 16% -- [ 17.6% ]. So the increase of the feed-in tariff was 16.6%, which is a very significant increase, well above what our initial financial model when we built and which we find our projects we're envisaging. And based on the current exchange rate, the current feed-in tariff for this year is the equivalent of EUR 120. So we basically jump back into a revenue mechanism that is giving us very attractive prices. In Slovakia, price -- all our power plants are in feed-in tariff mechanism, so the revenues remained the same. And in the Czech Republic, we switched to the feed-in tariff as we announced previously as of January this year. Nevertheless, because at the beginning of last year when we were in the Green Bond scheme and were selling electricity into the market, and we are realizing still decent prices on the electricity. The per megawatt revenues have declined comparing the first quarter this year and the first quarter of last year. But again, as 2023 progressed, those revenues per megawatt hour were dropping. So this EUR 640 unless there's a change in exchange rates because the feed-in tariff are paid out in Czech Korunas will remain stable during this year. And coming back to the step in Hungary of going back into the feed-in tariff, this is part of a rebalancing of our portfolio in terms of revenue model, where it is something we've announced as an intention already at the end of last year and also in the Q4 call that will be doing that. So this has been included in Hungary and the Czech Republic before. So as of April 1, we now have an almost equal 50-50 plant split between power plants that are selling electricity based on support mechanisms. And the other 50% the other half is selling on a merchant basis. Where, however, it's important to point out that a significant part of that merchant portfolio, which are mainly our -- which consists mainly of our Romanian assets. There, we have, for a period of 2 years from commissioning a revenue model is an offtake agreement with Transelectrica, which is a Romanian transmission grid operator, and we had paid a 90-day rolling average of based on prices. Of course, the decline in prices has also been reducing that 90-day rolling average, but the benefit is that we're not exposed to intra-day swings, and we've also seen that sometimes I think in recent weeks, energy prices on weekends saw trend negative during the day even for extended period of time. So we are not affected by this intra-day price burst in our revenue model, for the first 2 years of operation. In terms of our second part of our influence business line is our project portfolio or project pipeline, where we have ongoing project development efforts in 4 different countries. The most important one is Romania, where we still have a pipeline of projects in various stages of development of over 200 megawatts peak. This pipeline we are going to bring to the ratable stage. We have Poland, where as you know actually where we are, we have communicated previously, we are in the process of selling those projects that have obtained a great capacity. And here, we are happy to announce that we have signed an agreement with an investor in relation to our largest project in Domanowo, where we have 20.4 megawatts of good capacity. This transaction will fully close once the project gets to the ready-to-build stage, which should be in the fourth quarter of this year. And we are progressing well on the sale of the remaining projects in our pipeline. In Hungary, we -- at the moment, it is very difficult or close to impossible to develop additional projects, given that additional grid capacity for utility-scale power plant is awarded on the basis of auctions. And we did participate in the last auction that were not successful. So the development of new projects is essentially on hold. But from our previous efforts, we still have close to 7 megawatts of projects, which we intend to realize in the Hungarian market. And that gets us to Australia, where the pipeline you see of over 600 megawatts consists mainly of RayGen projects and the 9.8 at the advanced development stage is a project in [indiscernible], which is a hybrid project, PV and energy storage. What is worth mentioning in relation to our ongoing construction in addition to our IPP portfolio, which at the moment is fully focused on the Romanian market. As you can see in the second table, we have signed a financing facility with the European Bank for Reconstruction Development of in total EUR 15 million, of which EUR 13 million are decided to finance the construction of 2 of the power plants, we have at completed or commissioned, namely Faget 2 and Faget 3. And the first 4 that you -- the first 3 projects you see it on a [indiscernible], which we will start the construction imminently. But we have additional projects, which are essentially very -- at editable stage and very close and you can see they can add up to 20 megawatts -- or 25 megawatts. So at the moment, what we're still planning to build in Romania and for which we don't already have or in the process of obtaining project financing, it's another 40 megawatts of installed capacity. Moving on to our New Energy division. The increase in the contracted volume for the demand side response services has -- while in the first quarter materialized. And so we have tripled the volume of contracted capacity as compared to 2023. And as you can see, that has led also to a tripling of revenues in the first quarter as compared to 2023. So a year ago in Q1 2023 from demand side response services from the capacity market, we generated close to EUR 2.4 million, and this has grown to EUR 7.25 million of revenues. The compensation we are getting from the Polish transmission system operator for our services and providing the capacity market, have been countered in the base of auctions and these auctions for 2024 were conducted or all the auctions are conducted on a quarterly basis, so it's not done yet. So there's not a standard unit price, but there is a quarterly price and -- which means that the first quarter and the fourth quarter have the highest prices and therefore, also will be the strongest in terms of revenue generation with the second and third quarter, generating lower revenues for us. And yes, as you can see, we have -- on the capacity side have a significant increase. In March this year, we participated in the auction for 2025. And our first thorough analysis of the demand and supply of flexibility into this -- into a demand-side response -- on the basis of demand-side response. We have decided to bid lower volume than what we anticipated previously. As we -- our analysis showed that if we bid significantly more, which we're planning to, prices would have actually affected in a negative way. So by bidding what we did 350 megawatts. We believe that this was the volume that kept the total supply at a point which overall generated the highest revenues for us for the next year. Looking at some of our other business segments, what we had announced and what we're working on very, very intensive now is to put more focus on external EPC services. It means building power plants or behind limit installations for external customers where our role is to build the pipelines, of course, on the back of that, we are also offering and in most cases, also then providing operations and maintenance services, more and more as well services related to the sale of the generated electricity particularly for utilities in power plants. And however, in the first quarter and most of the EPC activities or construction activities then start in the second quarter and then the second, third and therefore the fourth quarter are very active. But at least in the Northern Hemisphere, there's not much construction going on in the first quarter. So there is no significant dynamics visible there. There is -- and as you can see, so far, most of the EPC revenues are intragroup and related to power plants and the building front portfolio. But in the next quarter, we believe based on the pipeline that we have, both for utilities to scale, and here our core markets that we are already focused in the CEE region or the Czech Republic and Romania, but also in -- for C&I customers, we are behind the meter generation, we will see -- we expect a very positive dynamics in the next couple of quarters. In our Components Trading business in the first quarter of this year has been a very slow start. When we look at the first quarter 2023, that was still at the tail end of the pool that we have experienced and benefited from it in 2022. Looking at last year's numbers also the second quarter was still rapidly solid. The revenues were comparable to Q1 numbers you're seeing here. And then in Q3 and Q4, we saw a very massive drop. So this Q1 numbers are actually better compared to Q3 and Q4 last year than the first quarter of 2023. However, we are seeing no signs of a recovery in volumes, and we do believe our Components Trading business to show more positive results in the coming quarters, particularly compared to the second half of last year. And of course, the financial drop is also -- was mirrored in the dropping volumes in relation to all the components we're trading in the inverters, modules and batteries. And here, it's also important to point out that during 2023, prices have also dropped dramatically for all these items. So today, a megawatt of modules cost about 40% less than what it cost a year ago. And therefore, even the same volume of modules on inverters or even batteries, the financial revenues 40% lower -- as this 40% relates to pretty much all these other components. One of the bright spots of our activities, and this is a business that we have been nurturing and growing for a long time is our Operations and Maintenance. And I think as you can see in the multiyear graph on the left, we have had an inflection point in 2023 where we've been able to sign up a lot of additional megawatts as compared to what we had before, a significantly larger ticket sizes in terms of megawatts. And this is a trend that we see continuing, but is however happening is that very often we sign up practically large power plants before they are commissioned and then they are delays in commissioning. So in terms of signed contracts, we are at already in the higher number, but we have not physically taken over the operation of these power plants. And we do expect in the next couple of quarters, but also years, relatively very dynamic growth in Operation and Maintenance, where often I referred to Operation and Maintenance to being the equivalent to facility management in [ middle ] state. So it is a -- the numbers are, of course, a lot smaller, but it is a very valuable business because on the -- in terms of contracts and customers, it is very stable. It takes a long time to win these customers, but then when you do these job they stay with you for an extended period of time. And we are today the only Solar O&M company that covers the CEE region, at least the 5 markets where we are present. And this is more a becoming a competitive advantage. So while we have competitors in each of these 5 markets. We are at the moment the only 1 who really cover the entire region with our staff. And we are seeing more and more evidence that is this regional strategy and footprint starts bearing fruit with large investors in PV assets where we winning customers in 1 country and then I would say we have significantly higher chances in winning them as customers in other countries. So this has really worked very well between Poland and Hungary. And we see now in various combinations. And therefore, this is a business where we see a lot of additional potential. Going forward, what we expect to be an additional driver of business and revenue expansion for our New Energy division is an extension of services provided to also cover energy storage. So we are working on being ready to provide O&M services to battery systems, which very often will be part of a utility-scale PV system or PV power plant, but also, of course, on a standalone basis. So, we believe, beyond only the growth and installed capacity in the region that will help us drive the growth of this business and an additional further type of technology we'll be able to provide on O&M services front. So to conclude my part before I hand over to David, I will just run you through some of the highlights. So what did go well in the first quarter was we managed to further increase our portfolio. The last power plant commissioned in April after Q1. So we we've grown our portfolio. We have generated a record volume of electricity. We have taken the important and the sensible step of rebalancing our portfolio in relation to its revenue model, given the decline -- with the decline in the general level of energy prices but also more and more pronounced the DAC curve. That means lower energy prices during the peak production hours from PV power plants. And in recent weeks, we have seen really extended periods of time when prices were 0 or even negative. And most recently, even during the week, so it became a feature on weekends where demand is typically lower. But this has now extended into some hours during the week. So this step was definitely the step in the right direction. We have continued growing our net portfolio. We have sold -- of course, that already happened now only in May, but we have sold our largest project in Poland. We have signed the financing agreement with the European Bank for Construction and Development. We continue growing our business -- our C&I business, that means rooftop installation business for commercial customers in Australia. And we are currently in the process of finalizing the installation of our first behind the meter installation in Hungary that is based on the power purchase agreement, in this case, of over 20 years. And well, actually, what is missing on the list is also that we signed our we signed an EPC agreement for the construction of 21-megawatt power plant in New Zealand. So a new market. And this is a project that where we are currently starting the construction, and we expect to commission this power plant for our customer, [ Aquila ] in the second quarter of next year, so pretty much 12 months from now. What don't go as well in the first quarter is that we have suffered delays in the commissioning of 2 remaining power plants that have really been physically built by a couple of months in each case. So that's 10.7 megawatts as mentioned before that when the commissioning and therefore, the revenue generation start has been delayed due to gird reinforcement works. This is a common issue in Romania as now a lot of new capacities being added to the Romanian grid. So in many of these power plants need before they can be [ grid ] connected that the grid lines need to be reinforced and these works take some time as they are commissioned by the DSO, and they have the processes which take long periods of time and sometimes get pushed out. But this is a -- so this is something of a problem for all investors in Romania, but also these days in many other countries are facing. And so there's no problem in the grid connection itself, just of course somewhat later. In the first quarter, we've seen another significant decline in enterprises compared to the beginning of the year. This trend has now been reversed. And here, we mainly referring to forward prices in -- on the EX, where towards the end of the first quarter or early April, we've seen the little low points. But since then, prices have gone up by -- when we look at base load price for next year for 2025, we've seen an increase by 30%, even about 30%. And last number I saw yesterday was I think EUR 92 per megawatt hour of base load in Germany and the prices in our region typically are also a few Euros above that level. So we have had the delay in securing the project financing. So particularly the conclusion of the finance and visibility has taken longer than anticipated. But for the next project, we are working on financing with commercial banks and so they should be back on track. On the PV components, trading the volumes have remained low and prices also remained in the pressure, that's something I already talked about. While I mean low prices for modules and inverters are, of course, very beneficial to us when we build power plants for our portfolio or pipeline for our customers. And they're definitely help in keeping the projects viable in the light of the declining energy prices. But of course, last year we also suffered from a decline in volume. And there, we are seeing early signs of recovery. On the negotiations in relation to the sale of projects have also taken bit longer than the planned. However, with the sale of Domanowo, our largest project in Poland, we have set an important milestone. As I said, we're working on the sale of the smaller projects, the remaining smaller projects. So that is ongoing, and I believe we'll also have some potential results relatively shortly or in time for our next call. And -- but the time line for discussions and the potential sale of our largest project in Romania, that timeline have definitely extended significantly. And they're mostly we'll be able to conclude and close all the sales still in 2024. So I think the next is -- are these your's David? I'll hand it over.
David Forth
executiveThank you. I'll take. Yes. So the financial results, revenue is down mostly for the reasons which we've described. But in particular, this has been in the power generation, which as we've seen this is due to lower prices in Q1 '24 compared to what we had in '23 although it's mitigated by us having more plants connected. It's still that this was driven down, and that's running at just under 10% reduction. Other revenues, as you'll see also a decline EBITDA higher, and that's mostly driven by some improvements in our Engineering business, as we'll see, the EBITDA obviously has suffered from the lower energy generation benefits. And also from our PV Component Trading. We've also had some -- we've had some increase over the period in our personnel. That's been particularly noticeable in our new energy business, where we've been hiring people to develop that business. Our total comprehensive income is down by EUR 1 million. This is due to revaluation of some power plants. And this runs through our hedging. Our hedging derivatives have -- in hedging we have gained because of interest rates were both going down. So that's helped us slightly. In ForEx translation, we've had some small negative, and we've written down slightly our rate valuation, and that's really only because of the exchange rate differences. So I think, yes.
Georg Hotar
executiveI want to just like to add here is, as I mentioned before, the -- in the first quarter, our -- we were suffering quite heavily in the Hungarian market from unexpectedly record low energy prices. And of course, this is what will help us today. But for like-for-like comparison, I think it's quite useful. If we had made the switch to feed-in tariff in Hungary 3 months earlier, so as of January 1, we would have generated EUR 424,000 more. That means that actually, this EBITDA number based on the revenue model that we have as of today, would have been over EUR 1.2 million. So the year-on-year growth would have been much more significant. The good news is as of April 1, there are feed-in tariff but this is not reflected yet in the first quarter. So that swap alone or that change alone would have had an impact of EUR 424,000. And of course, that would have flown straight through the P&L all the way from the revenues as there are no additional costs against that, maybe in the taxation, the EBITDA, EBIT level. So essentially, everything would have been EUR 424,000. That's EUR 1.2 million EBITDA, EBIT minus EUR 1 million. And of course, all the other numbers would've been corresponding with that. Sorry for the interruption.
David Forth
executiveNo. Thank you. So in terms of our balance sheet, fixed assets reduced slightly because of the depreciation of our generating assets. And also, there's a change in the currencies, obviously, we report in Euros, but these assets are held in local currencies. In terms of current assets, we have reduced our inventories. We managed to sell some of the batteries that we're working our balance sheet at the end of '23. And of course, we've had some reduction in our related party loans, both benefited us. Equity has decreased to EUR 68 million due to the impact of the lower results and a small -- and the changing in currency translation reserves. However, our adjusted equity ratio remains higher and in fact, comfortably above the bond covenants of 25%. Our long-term liabilities decreased due to outstanding balance of loans and borrowings because we've got repayments going on during the period. Current liabilities remain really very, very stable and at the end of it, balance sheet in pretty good shape to go forward for the rest of the year. What we see here is the cash flow development. Not really much exciting to report operational cash flow much stronger than in Q1. Mostly because of the translation differences, but also because of the benefits that we've had during the quarter. Investment cash flow pretty much at the same level, and this is about us investing in our in our Romanian projects which are being built. Financial cash flow. We have been carrying on making our scheduled repayments of short-term financing. In Q1 '23, we will have increased our borrowings for funding. So net change in cash, a reduction of EUR 655,000 which is not particularly significant in our cash totals, which grow from EUR 5.9 million to EUR 5.2 million. So you can see that in the graph. This brings us to our guidance. We obviously had a tough time of our guidance last year. We look very carefully at it this year, and we expect our revenues to be within the range of EUR 90 million to EUR 100 million. This would generate EBITDA with expected range EUR 16 million to EUR 18 million. Now we've looked at this very carefully. And one quite important point to make is that going forward, we're going to be doing more of the larger third-party EPC contracts. And the issue with third party EPC is, of course, these are large contracts, and they tend to run for quite long periods and there are periods when due to winter weather and so on, you're not going to be out there constructing things. That makes it difficult if we sign a large contract, and we expect to, during the year ahead, to predict when we can take revenue when we can recognize revenue and when we can take profit on those contracts as we are. As we are bringing them forward, in other respects in there certainly is reflected the improved generating results from the fixed tariffs, which we've signed. But we are not at the moment giving detailed guidance about the individual elements. One thing we are doing going forward is we are reviewing our asset base with a view to strengthening our balance sheet this may well result in some changes in the assets that we're holding. This will increase cash and reduce borrowings but the details of that really depend on whether we can achieve prices which are attractive to us. We do have several options, but they're all in plan at the moment. So I don't think it's wise for us to give too much detail, except to say that we are very much looking at our balance of assets. I think that would be a message on that, which would take us to the next stage.
Georg Hotar
executiveLet's take Q&A session. So thank you, David. So we are open to take your questions and hopefully, we're able to answer them in a satisfactory way. You see someone typing? So here's the question. What -- for the first question is, thank you very much. Oliver Wojahn, what are the options to roll out TSO outside Poland? Well, the demand-side response is essentially something that is definitely becoming more and more important in providing flexibility to the grid. In Poland, these are -- it's part of the capacity market. So just to briefly explain the demand side response flexibility that we're providing to the Polish TSO that's contracts for which I wasn't in [indiscernible] mechanism have an 8-hour lead time. So essentially, mostly these responses provided in the evening hours. So we get a call or a notification from the TSO sometimes late morning. And then that's where we start preparing providing that response in the evening hours. What is referred to as ancillary services? These are service -- flexibility services that have much shorter response times as long as the manual in minutes and dramatic ones are in seconds. Well, we do see -- so for the very fast response where the response times is in seconds, these are is probably not the right approach, but for MSR for the manual response within minutes. DSR is definitely out of the mix. So if we -- and it's something that we are working on and It's important to say that we are in the process of getting market access to provide ancillary services in Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary. And in Northeastern markets, we expect to start providing these services still this year and demand side response. So the reduction of an energy consumption will definitely be part of how we are providing these grid support services. But back to providing TSRs through a capacity market mechanism. There have been some markets where we were seeing attempts to approach in a very similar way as Poland gird have it as part of the capacity market. But these approaches have been delayed. The one market we've been looking at quite closely is Spain, and their integration or the -- this approach and options for the demand-side response have been postponed. So capacity market mechanisms, it appears that this is not -- and we're constantly searching, of course, for markets where this opportunity opens up. But it is not spreading like a wildfire, I would say. However, TSR definitely has its place in the provision of ancillary services through transmission system operators. So I hope this has probably answered the question. The next question is what are the prices of selling of 3 projects and what margins? Well, I assume that this relates to the sale of our project rights in Poland, where on the transaction we've signed, we can't be specific. However, we did hint to a number, a range of target valuations and target values in our last call. So all I can say is that we are slightly below what we mentioned back then. Not dramatically, it similar thing, the 10% range of the lower end. But what we have seen and sometimes there's a lag in the market, but what you will typically see and this happen here is that with falling energy prices and therefore, falling project yields. There's also then a negative effect on project -- on the prices of project rates. And this has -- this we've seen across the region in all the markets where we are developing and have been developing. So not only in Poland, but I absolutely convinced that at this point in time, and we're negotiating and signing this contract, we got a very good price in the market context. So going to next question, which is more of a financial nature. So David, if you want to address that.
David Forth
executiveYes. During the first quarter, we do -- we have made a change in our -- we haven't changed our system, but we certainly run into some larger ForEx translation changes. And this certainly does exceed the PPC challenge. But the mechanism here, I think, it's not specific to a particular revenue stream. So I don't think that we want to give -- that we're able to give much more detail on that. The next question actually is I don't see us going out to market to raise additional capital. We are continuing to look at options to refinance what benefits come.
Georg Hotar
executiveSo well, maybe to elaborate a bit, I mean, this question, of course, relates to capital markets, which would [ bear ] equity or debt capital markets. Of course, a significant part of what we do is plan for project financing. So that, of course, is -- it was a capital project specific. So that, of course, will continue as we are building additional pipelines. But we're also in the process of identifying and selling certain assets and mostly noncore assets, which will increase our liquidity position. So yes, just to reiterate what David just said that at this point in time, we are not considering any capital raising exercise in capital markets until the end of this year. Okay. There's one more question coming. Question is that there's a risk of inventory write-downs? Well, again, this -- I -- this would be the area in our business where this is most relevant is our Component Distribution business. And that decline in on prices that has happened across modules, inverters and batteries over the last year has, of course, had a massive effect throughout the Distribution business. So of course, we are talking to and we're also looking at what our competitors in this field are affected. And I mean, what we see and the same for -- so in our situation, we have not been caught with a lot of modules. We have not been caught with an excessive amount of inverters and stock. We have been caught with a relatively large amount of batteries. However, we originally procured them at good prices. And one of the mitigating approaches that have been applied in the industry over the last 12 months is that the manufacturers have been giving their distributors credit notes. And this is also in past, we have taken in relation to our battery inventory. And sort of means we have been able to reduce our landed costs and actually the process is still ongoing. So the -- and so that we have been able to mitigate the need for inventory write-downs. So the -- on the value of those batteries in our stock are at the moment less than for like 1.5 percentage of our balance sheet total. So we're not talking a large number, we have already mitigated or reduced the landed costs to a price -- to a level at which we can sell these batteries now. So I think we've come out of this, particularly in comparison to many of our competitors [indiscernible]. So the profitability that we enjoyed in '22, that is not there at the moment. It is where it's a very cyclical part of the industry. Its Distribution business. But tell you, some of our competitors have been bleeding very heavily. And some of them have made it. And I personally still expect kind of a bit of consolidation in this part of the value chain during this year. But I think we have been -- we've come out of this relatively well. We're selling through at lower prices. But we are continuing to sell through and therefore, we didn't need any write-downs at the end of last year. We've also actually returned a small number of batteries to a supplier because they found another market where they can deploy them more effectively. And again, that means that we haven't had to write that stop down. Okay. Next question, when the benefits of our corporation [ rating ] will be visible in financial results? And how this corporation will monetize exactly? So exactly is a bit difficult. But as you are aware, we are -- as we switch on this slide on our pipeline. We are developing various projects on the basis of the diverging technology. Starting with [indiscernible], which is at a very advanced stage. And have identified some additional sites. In Australia. So -- this is what we're doing in the Australian market. We have identified a site in another country. But of course, this technology is going to be particular in many jurisdictions around the world. And it is -- but I think here, just in bracket, I would like to point out that the region has gone through kind of a successful capital raising exercise where we did not participate but SMB from [indiscernible] which has topped it's original investment from SMBs very heavily involved in [indiscernible] from an engineering point of view, this was a cooperation -- technology cooperation agreement signed between SMB and RayGen. So SMB wants to manufacture some of the core components as a [ voluntary ] agreement with RayGen. And so there's a lot -- some new investors that have come on board, [ particularly ] from Saudi Arabia. So I think this is technology that definitely -- so there are some very significant names in the industry that are standing behind this technology, and it definitely has global potential. What has become apparent to us, but also to some of the bigger companies involved is that developing a RayGen project is a very specific discipline. And it is in many respects, very different to developing a PV project. Just to give one example, you need access to significant motor source to fill those reservoirs. But you have to spend and be very careful -- even on the initial side -- ideally at the initial site selection, you have to have a really good idea of the what is on the ground because you will be taking. And so you -- and the topographies board. So there's a lot of things that we have been on the learning curve on the RayGen itself. And so I think for us, there's quite a significant opportunity to act as a developer not only in Australia, but I mean that would be our idea in other countries as well, teaming up with either very strong local players who may want to be the further investor in this power plants. But also maybe in cooperation with some of those -- some of the current shareholders of RayGen itself. So I think there's a role for us where we can leverage on the -- early move advantage in developing a region project, we just think we can apply elsewhere. And how far out our role would there be and not to be somewhat involved in the EPC of a sort of construction of the RayGen plant? I think that's something we will have to see further down. But personally, one area that I believe is very interesting for us is the RayGen technology has the very advantage that it can be run either in a grid connected setting or as an [ Island ]. And some of the markets that we're looking at and one of them in South Africa, where we have identified a site, is a country at this moment suffers from a significant shortage in electricity. So if you build a RayGen plant, it has the potential to provide electricity 24/7, irrespective of the situation in the grid. That alone will attract businesses that need a stable energy supply by tweaking the plant on the few parameters. We can also provide excess heat or excess cooling which again is important for certain types of businesses. So I believe that there is on such development work for us is money to be made by making sure we buy more land and it's just suited for the power plant by itself because that land will be attractive to industrial users who may migrate or gravitates to location around the RayGen site. So I mean there are just some thoughts, but this is, I think, where for us, and of course, we are -- when we look at the shareholder base or the shareholder that have recently joined, we're definitely run on the smaller end. So the intention as key pockets I think for us, playing a role in the development. But development done well and right can be very profitable. And the advantage we have here is that this is a specific technology, there's quite a lot of lessons learned. All of us, RayGen itself and some other shareholders we are learning on the go. I think that we've advance start. I don't think there if we do go out the right way. I think we can have an interesting -- the current business line, but definitely, activity around developing RayGen projects in multiple jurisdictions. And I think we'll also turn on the go, how to make it as profitable as possible for us.
David Forth
executiveAnd of course, RayGen does not require this year for batteries. Because it requires water and the working technology. So we certainly do expect RayGen success to spread.
Georg Hotar
executiveThe next question about remediation technology. Well, this is a really good question. And I will start with the second one. We are -- the second part of the question, when will it be monetized? And first of all, our remediation technology also works on other contaminants and there we have ongoing projects. We have been working on some projects related to PFAS in Europe. I mean, for this public knowledge because we won a public tender, we were -- a risk analysis for Prague Airport in relation to the PFAS contamination within the compounds of the airport. That's something we concluded last year. We are doing some works to mitigate PFAS issues for some other companies in this EU region. So if you wish and -- but that is actually not using our remediation technology, because what we want to do is we want to clean sites. We are also getting a lot of know-how and how to filter PFAS out of water. So we have our own filtration units. We've been spending a lot of time finding the right resins that give us the best results. So there is some monetization there. But coming back to Australia, we concluded the pilot project at the end of 2022, and we submitted our final project report in March 2023, so over a year ago. Based on that, we have the Department of Defense, which works with a large number of advisers, both in terms of consulting firms, but also academic experts. They have reviewed this. They've come -- our reports have come back. And this process has been taking very, very long from my liking, way too long. At this point in time, we have reason to believe that we are after the workshop about 3 months ago where the last questions have been addressed by us. And we believe that we are very close to be allowed to publicly present the results of this trial. We have done so on a few selected industry conferences. We will be presenting the results at a conference in [indiscernible], which is the world's most important remediation conference that is taking place in June. And we do hope that by the time we can also probably talk about that there will be ideally a joint release on the results with the Australian Department of Defense. That would allow us to talk about. I mean, all can say is the results have been extremely encouraging. And we have been -- and a lot of our commercial activities are linked to that. So whether that there are discussions with Defense, which sites we may address in their portfolio of troubled sites. But there's also a couple of other players in Australia that basically want to see that verification from someone like the Australian Department of Defense, which is the largest contaminator in, I believe, in -- definitely one of the largest in Australia. And that should be starting signal for a lot of commercial activity in Australia itself and that will then give us -- those have been waiting which, I would say, a more commercial rollout in Europe and ultimately in North America for that document and which has taken a lot longer than what we've been hoping for, and I believe we're very close now. Well, the consequences of not satisfying the bond covenant, it is -- it would be a default event. If we fell below the 25% equity ratio. We have a carve-out related to us dropping below 25% as a result of regulatory measure. So obviously, in any company, there would be some additional taxation or reduction in feed-in tariff introduced. And as a result, we would have to write down the value of our power plants. If -- so that change -- for that change, there is an impact on the equity ratio, there is a [ carve out ], but leaving that aside, it would be a different. The most important thing is that what is relevant for this covenant are the audited numbers. So basically, it's the audited equity, the equity that we have in our audited annual report. So the quarterly, of course, we calculate and publish them. But for whatever reason in one of the quarters, we were to fall below that would not be a not a default event. The electricity prices generated in Australia are lower in Australia than in Europe. Well, just very briefly, the revenue model in Australia is that we are until 2030, getting also what is called LGCs, large generation certificates essentially a green certificate we get for every megawatt hour. There's a market for that. There are buyers for that. At the moment, the price is at AUD 48 around EUR 30. So actually, when you see the total revenues of I think it was EUR 74 million in Q1, EUR 30 million of that is LGC. The rest is for electricity. Further supporting logic of your question that prices are much lower. And the answer is yes. So prices relatively low -- comparatively low in Australia. And we've also found it a lot more difficult to access project financing on attractive terms. So the number of institutions that would back a 10, 15-megawatt power plant project in Australia is very, very small. And so it's a combination of factors. However, Australia has been, for us, definitely interesting, it continues to be an interesting training ground. So it's the first place where we've built a power plant or 2 power plants on the basis -- on a merchant basis. Australia is also a little bit of a view into the future in terms of where energy markets are heading and what I mean by that is that in Europe, we have day ahead market or the entity markets, which are so far, traded on an hourly basis. Now we are seeing everywhere that the trend is going towards 50 minute intervals, both for in terms of trading to met prices, but also in terms of balancing. And in Australia, you only have 1 market, which is essentially an intraday market and the trading intervals of 5 minutes, which we believe sooner or later will also come to Europe that we'll get to short-term -- shorter trading periods. So we are selling into a market where every 5-minute there is a different price. And those prices go up and down like sometimes in incredible ways. And Australia our power plants are in New South Wales. So each state is a separate energy market. And with different prices, sometimes they're very much aligned. Sometimes there are massive differences. And sometimes they're very crazy events. So we have extended periods of negative prices. But specifically, I think this was -- this year we had the 29th of February because on the 29th of February, for about 1.5 hours, energy prices in New South Wales went to $16,000. So there are multiple 5 minutes segments when it was $16,000 and then also $7,000, $8,000. And our power plants were actually running. So it was not even a bad weather day. I can't remember what happened. But basically within 90 minutes, we made about EUR 80,000 on these power plants. So quite a freak event. I mean there are days when sometimes it goes very high for a 5-minute because power plant just went offline a large power plant. But here, we've had a situation where for an extended period. Prices were at orbiting levels. So yes, this is what you wait for when you are in the merchant setting. And -- but from that point of view, Australia, it's definitely a good market for batteries. So this intraday volatility is something that can be exploited very nicely by -- with batteries. And for that, actually, the shorter trading and balancing periods are beneficial. There's one more question coming. Okay. So I'll read the question. So the question is whether we're installing more batteries in Europe, making prices that are more balanced through the days -- better because these are to be not needed anymore. So it's mainly less the services, not be needed in that case in the future. Well, I think that the energy market now is undergoing a massive transformation in relation to the grid. So what we see is power plants that provide baseload are disappearing from the grid. This partial nuclear, coal and a lot of new energy sources, which are intermittent going offline -- are going online solar, wind. And that is at a utility scale. On the utility scale segment, in which power plant somewhere PV plants, 20 megawatts in the field, which inject into the grid. But of course, there's also a lot of buildout happening in the C&I sector. It means panels being installed on factories to directly satisfy local demand. And so in the short term, what we're seeing now is that it pushes down prices, but it also make balancing the grid very, very complicated. And also on a sunny and windy day, transmitting all the electricity to the grid is a major challenge. And I think there's a whole debate going on now, whether an estimate how many billions and trillions would actually have to be invested to absorb all these new sources of energy? And send it left [indiscernible] center? And well, definitely have to be some buildout, but one of the realities of the grid is it is very, very badly used. So I mean when you think of a PV plant, you have, let's say, a megawatt of good capacity available, that means you have 8,940 -- 8,760 hours a year. And the PV plant only uses that 12%, 15% of the time and hardly ever even fully. So -- and the rest of the time, something else can run through that lock capacity. So this is leading to things like cable pooling in Poland, for example, when our filing has been [ allotted ] that wind and solar can be co-located. Now batteries are being added to that. So I think everybody understands is that those pipes -- those cables can be used much more efficiently. So I think what we will see and what we have to see is -- I think there's a lot cheaper is finding ways how to better schedule or reduce the amount of electricity that is being sent through the grid and better scheduling. And of course, the problem with electricity is it's on the spot commodity but I think there's a long way to go in improving the usage. I mean, it's not like we can increase efficiency by 20%. I mean actually a few hundred percent probably. And that will require storage and in multiple places. And I think what we do see now is a lot of companies that put solar on the roof, also the installed batteries. In some cases, it makes sense to install just batteries. Not even not -- some companies don't have suitable roofs or areas where they put it. So storage will play a significant role, and I think it would be at all levels. But exactly that means there's a lot of devices and a lot of generation and storage equipment that needs to be managed, coordinated in real time. And this is exactly where new energy and the tools and the virtual power plant comes in. It becomes very heavier on managing a vast number of devices and consumption points. So I think it's quite the opposite. I think it's going to be needed more and more. Are there more question coming? Next question is also on the launches of our plants for our pipeline get delayed substantially because of lack of values of operators to join. Why is this happening? Does the company know about such problems beforehand? I think -- I would not say we never had the problem before, but it's actually probably very close to the truth until we started building in Romania. And -- the -- what we've -- so we started a long time ago in the Czech Republic business and Slovakia, then we had 3, I think, very successful years in Hungary, building and connecting power plants, and that worked really well, which is also why when we entered Romania, we expect a bit more complicated, but it's probably more complicated by the factor of 10. And basically, what happened is Romania, I had a first solar boom in 2013, '14, where about 1.4 gigawatt of solar were built and then it came to a very abrupt end. And actually, our Power Plant in Siria was the first power plant to be commissioned after 9 years in Romania. So no such plants was built and commissioned. And in the meantime, the people involved at the DSOs that we're connecting these plants until 2014, many of them were not there anymore. Legislation has changed dramatically in the decade, particularly now in relation to EU legislation but also technology progress. So it means all the forms, all the processes, procedures were basically already outdated. So there, we learned what it means that being a first mover can also be disadvantaged. So we essentially ran into in this first batch of 8 power plants in Romania with multiple TSOs. So in -- so in -- simultaneously in different DSOs, we're running into exactly the same problem, run into a situation where the people who were supposed to connect us in most cases never done it before or a long time ago. And when they looked into the documents and processes are not relevant anymore. So it was learning by doing exercise. This has gotten better. I mean, definitely now, we're seeing that in on the next batch. However, coming back to the 2 power plants that's probably still waiting for connection. It is related -- that it delays due to the grid upgrade work, which is something that is an issue with a lot of projects. So this is not performing on the house. But we know of many people building our plants in Romania now that they are incurring significant delays in getting the power plant commissioned for exactly this paperwork and we are now having done this 13 times. I think we understand how the process works, but it was a long, long way. So the other people are not learning in terms of rate take and paperwork. But this grid connection works because these are work that we can do ourselves, so to extend by the DSO, so basically as a process where they have to tender it first tender the documentation then the communication gets done, then they have to tender the execution. And it's all -- goes all along their processes. And then what comes to -- typically, there's a very limited number of companies that are accredited by the DSO to do this works. And now that Romania is booming, these companies are very busy. So this leads to these delays, then sometimes a core component is missing and has a lead time of 3 months. So it's a combination of factors, which is largely beyond our control. And this is the price to pay for being in the market that is -- although there was a sold on 10 years ago, it is still very much a very margin -- virgin market in terms of solar project comparing it to other markets like Poland or Hungary that have added many gigawatts in the last couple of years. Okay. So as this appears to have been the last question, I would like to thank you for your attention. Thank you, David. And well, I think we'll conclude and that we're looking forward to our next call in 3 months' time. And just reiterate, we are very confident that in the next call, we'll be able to report and present significant progress particularly compared to last year's development. So we're working very hard to make sure that the next call will be a very positive event. So thank you very much, and have a nice day.
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