Pidilite Industries Limited (PIDILITIND.BO) Q2 FY2026 Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to Pidilite Industries Limited Q2 FY '26 Results Conference Call hosted by Equirus Securities Private Limited. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Pranav Mehta from Equirus Securities. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone. On behalf of Equirus Securities, I welcome you to the 2Q FY '26, or 1H FY '26 post results con call with management of Pidilite Industries. From the management side, we have Mr. Sudhanshu Vats, Managing Director; Mr. Kavinder Singh, Joint Managing Director; and Mr. Sandeep Batra, Executive Director and CFO. And I will straightway hand over the call to Mr. Batra for his opening remarks post which we'll have the Q&A session. Over to you, sir.

Thank you. Thank you, Pranav, and good evening, and welcome to everybody on the call. I'll quickly give you my opening remarks and then open the floor for Q&A. And I'll take you through the second quarter and half year FY '26 results, which were approved by our Board yesterday. . As you will see, the current quarter's stand-alone revenue of INR 3,272 crores had good growth from the Consumer and Bazaar segment, which grew with a UVG of 10.4%. And the B2B business, UVG, was 9.9%. Total stand-alone UVG was 10.3%, which translated into a value growth of 10.4%. As you will note that the Consumer and Bazaar business went into double-digit UVG after 5 quarters. And as you would recall, in the previous quarters, it was very high. It was all in very-high-single digits. One part of our business that did get impacted, was exports largely due to geopolitical uncertainty as well as tariffs in some markets and export business in the quarter did decline. Our stand-alone gross margins continued to improve and in this quarter were up by nearly 0.5% due to benign input prices. VAM, which is vinyl acetate monomer, which is our single biggest raw material, the consumption rate in the second quarter was $883 compared to $980 in the second quarter last year. This expansion in margins was used to step up our expenditure behind advertising and sales promotion, which in absolute terms was nearly 80% higher than second quarter last year. And as a percentage to sales was up by nearly 150, 160 basis points. Obviously, part of that was offset by higher margins and part of it was offset by better operating leverages across all our cost areas. As a result, our EBITDA margins in this quarter were same as Q2 last year. We did see -- in terms of percentage to sale, lower nonoperating income. And there were 2 reasons for it. One, of course, was the fact that in this quarter, we had paid out not only the final dividend, but also an interim dividend. And also, as you would know, yields on such treasury investments have been coming down as interest rates have corrected. So we had some amount of that impact as interest rate resets happened. Our nonoperating income, both in absolute terms and in percentage terms, would have corrected line with yields on similar instruments. If I look at the subsidiaries, the domestic subsidiaries reported revenue growth of 10.7%, with significant improvement in EBITDA as EBITDA grew by 22.6%. In the case of international subsidiaries, top line was a bit subdued. Revenues grew 4.5%, and EBITDA growth was similar. Consolidated revenues at INR 3,540 crores, grew by 9.8% in the quarter and EBITDA margins were similar as the same period last year. With that, I conclude my opening comments and open the floor for Q&A.

[Operator Instructions] The first question is from the line of Pranav Mehta from Equirus Securities Private Limited.

Sir, so I wanted to understand on the rural and urban demand recovery. So how are you looking at things, let's say, going forward and whether rural continues to outbeat the other or we've started seeing some green shoots in the urban recovery as well?

Yes, Pranav, thanks for the question. And as always, good to hear from you. I think very specifically and very quickly to answer about this. For us, rural still continues to do better than urban. So -- and this has been a trend now over 5 years, if I'm not mistaken, maybe 16 to 20 quarters, if not longer. So rural continues to do better than urban. But in the quarter that's gone by Q2 FY '26, urban performance has also been very good. So urban, if I can use the word, is inching up. Urban performance has been very good. I think we've also -- our growth drivers in quarter 2 have been our construction sector growth brands, which have had a strong urban listing as well. So I think urban overall is improving, to answer your question, which you asked towards the end, so there are green shoots and it's improving and we think that momentum will continue. And rural will continue to perform from the point of view of penetration and all the work which we need to do. So I think that's the piece. So we feel optimistic about both of them and for us, rural continues to be higher than urban, but urban has caught up quite a lot, if I can use the word.

Okay. Okay. And sir, how are you looking at things from the input cost side? So since the crude is actually now moving in a narrow range. So do you think that for next, let's say, 2, 3 quarters, it should be in our favor?

Yes, Sandeep just told you about our VAM numbers, yes, VAM is now below $900. I think our -- basically, what we are seeing for the next 3 to 6 months, specifically VAM we see for it to remain in that range and remain benign.

[Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Mohit Jain from .

Hello. Can you hear me?

Yes. We can hear you.

Given that, sir, mild glue demand is closing linked into renovation and interior sectio fit-outs, are you seeing the share of renovation demand rising compared to new construction?

So in terms of very specific data point, if I was to say, have we done any -- we haven't done very specific recent study to be able to quantify it one way or the other. But from what we are observing and when we travel and all that, I think there is no reason to believe that the share of renovation will go over new construction. If at all, I think the share of new construction is going to creep up vis-a-vis renovation. Good news, as you know for Pidilite, is that we are very well poised in both spaces. But we haven't done any specific recent study to quantitatively answer your question. Our observation is that new construction is slightly on the rise, but relatively is going up.

All right. And my second question, sir, are you observing any reasonable shifts in growth for example? I may be wrong, but strong momentum in Northern or Southern markets compared to Western? And is the carpenter activity uniformly strong across regions? I mean, I want to know the regional overview in mild adhesive.

I won't say any such pattern over basically, at least especially for white glues. No specific clear pattern.

Okay. I mean it's distributed evenly across regional. We don't see any patterns of good growth in Southern or Northern.

The next question is from the line of Tejash Shah from Avendus Spark Institutional Equities.

Sir, a couple of questions. Sir, given that we are in a very comfortable raw material cost environment, do you plan to step up investments behind new product launches or will spending remain at the normal level?

No. I think as Sandeep just told you on our commentary for the quarter 2 as well and where of course, because of competitors, the numbers were looking even more accentuated as percentage growth or percentage turnover. I think we maintain that our A&SP will be in the band of 3% to 5%. This quarter, we've come in at about 4.2%. So I think to answer your question, would we be deploying the expansion, if at all, in gross margin for investments? The answer is yes. We will be deploying them judiciously in A&SP, in GTM capability building. As you are aware, we are building a full-fledged architect interior design, a program that itself will require -- that's a newer GTM or GTM that requires much greater focus from our end. You're also aware, Kavinder last time spoke to you about it on the Pidilite Professional Solutions, how we are gearing up and are getting ready to capture the entire construction sector growth. And here when I say construction sector, there are multiple segments as he explained to you and all that. So to answer -- so one word answer to you of this thing is yes. And I think we will continue to deploy this to build. We stay committed to our corridor of 20% to 24%. As you saw in first half, we are at the higher end of that corridor, we are actually at about 24%. If the raw material prices remain benign, for the year will we remain -- first of all, we will definitely be within the corridor, and will we remain a little bit on the higher end of the corridor, the answer is yes. I think that's how it will be. So we'll judiciously deploy. I think that's how it is. That's the way to work on.

Just one follow-up on that. Using this tailwind of the cycle, would it be right time to kind of dial up on Haisha and just noticed that you spoke about all the initiatives, but did not call up Haisha. So is like part of many initiatives or it is one of the initiatives that you want to focus on?

No, it's an important initiative. It's an important initiative, and it's a great observation and for your observation. But what -- so on Haisha, and I think this got asked earlier also in some of the interactions in the morning today, media interaction. See, Haisha, the status is very similar to what I shared last time, although I may want to add a bit of color you are saying so much time is passing. So I do want to add a bit of color. So see, what is happening is that in Haisha, we continue to grow in the pilots where we are. So we are growing, absolutely growing well. We are growing sequentially as well. So in September, better than August, blah, blah. Quarter 2, better than quarter 1. All that is happening. That's correct. And I think we've also taken the baby step of now looking at a few Eastern geographies. So you know that we started out in 5 Southern geographies in small towns and districts. We are now there a couple of Eastern geographies. So it is a sign of our confidence in the way we're moving ahead. Having said that, have we got the business model fully right? There, again, if I was to be absolutely candid with you, the answer is no. It's still work in progress. We are working on it, because we want to, in the smaller -- in the urban and small town India where we want to play, this we have said from the beginning that in these geographies, we want to be in the top 3. And we have a safest market share ambition, of course, varying from town to town and all that. But we need to have a reasonable market share in top 3. So in that quest, in that -- especially that -- so we are a little bit behind that share piece. It is taking time. So we are reiterating. And that's why when I responded to your question for the second half of the year, my own assumption is we'll be fine-tuning this model through this year to the second half of the year. And then when we speak at the end of maybe quarter 4 call or whatever, let's see, basically, you will see that, yes, you will see -- we're going to talk about that, we're going to put much more money behind this. So I think our paint initiatives we are added, our approach is similar. We are seeing good growth. We remain confident of being able to do it the way we want to do it, but we have not reached the internal milestones we have set for ourselves, and we think we should continue to fine-tune the model before we sort of expand everywhere and before we put big dollars or additional investments behind.

And last one from my side. Sir, 1 hallmark of our performance for the last many years or many quarters has been rural actually doing very well. Now if I have to look rural from the lens of retail player. So is it more distribution expansion that is driving this growth? Or there is a very robust repeat demand or SSSG also, which is coming from rural as we are going deeper?

No, it is more later, Tejash. Basically, we don't repeat -- so for us repeat demand and what you called SSSG, whatever same-store sale growth kind of concept, I think you use in your acronym, if I'm right. We focus a lot on how we are doing where we are. And expansion is there, but it's not -- so the growths are coming more from doing well where you are, more from depth and less from increasing width. Having said that, continuously in rural, do we want to go to more direct places to improve our distribution further? The answer is yes. So I think I would say focus is on growing where you are as well and if not more.

Okay. That's all from my side, and all the best for coming quarters.

Thank you.

[Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Himashu Singh from JPMorgan.

Sir, congratulations for sustaining 10% growth in the Consumer and Bazaar segment. I would like to, sir, if you could talk, give us some flavor on various subsegments in the B2C business like Araldite waterproofing and though they have some other core categories as well as the growth in pioneer categories like Roff and electronic adhesives. If you could give us some flavor on various categories, how the growth have -- they have trended in this quarter?

Yes, so Himanshu, I may not get granular into each of those because I'm saying we report this as one segment. But just to tell you basically, our growth segments in Consumer and Bazaar have done very well. And if you will remember, and I think many of you on this virtual table, I'm sure now though know it fully that we say that we'll deliver core between 1 to 2x of GDP, growth between 2 to 4x of GDP and pioneering categories are there. So first of all, Roff is well beyond pioneering now. It's one of our important growth categories. Pioneer, we define as once we cross INR 100 crores. So I think our growth categories have done very well. They are in the band, which we say and maybe arguably, some of the brands in that are well on the outer end of the band as we speak to you in the quarter that's gone by. So I think some of these have done very well. I think a few of the pioneering categories, we've started taking baby steps. We are also seeing growth there. We're seeing some numbers. We are seeing some accounts coming up. So I think that's where it is. So overall, on some of these, Dr. Fixit, Roff, we have done really well, and I think these are our growth categories, which have delivered very well to their promise.

Great to hear, sir. And sir, if you could give us some flavor on the pricing. So how it has been in this quarter, the pricing growth?

So pricing, as I mentioned in my opening comments, the input cost regime is quite benign. If anything, prices of inputs are lower than what they were in the second quarter last year. So we -- there is no -- there has been no occasion to take any or any rationale to take any pricing action. Obviously, whatever price adjustments we have done earlier have all anniversarized. And that is why you see that value growth for the last now 3 quarters leads the volume growth. So our UVG was 10.3% and our revenue growth was 10.4%. But no specific pricing increases, et cetera, we would have taken in this quarter.

Okay, sir. Yes, sir. And sir, what would be the margin outlook for the second half, as you have mentioned, the commodity prices are expected to be benign. So what is the expectations for margins in the second half?

So as you know, we don't give any guidance. We have always called out that we are very comfortable to operate within an EBITDA corridor of 20% to 24%. Obviously, we are at the top end of that corridor. In this quarter, we also -- you would have seen that we had stepped up our advertising and sales promotion expenses. So we don't really see any major shift happening in EBITDA. Obviously, one thing and maybe this may not be the right quarter to call out. But when you go to the fourth quarter, you will find that our overall revenues in that quarter are much lower than the previous 3 quarters. So there could be some negative operating leverage in the fourth quarter. But other than that, there would be no event that may cause the EBITDA margins to swing.

[Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Jinesh Kothari from Equirus Securities Private Limited.

Sir, I wanted to ask -- I think that your sales behind investments that you're doing in Pidilite Ventures, anything that you want to highlight specifically ?

Pidilite Ventures. So nothing -- I mean, nothing really in that sense to highlight. We did some investment in Pidilite Ventures. And Pidilite Ventures as part of its portfolio continuously is evaluating in either new investments, or investments in or companies in which they want to increase the stake. So as and when that happens, we will obviously share with you. But at this moment, there is nothing really to report regarding the investments made by Pidilite Ventures.

Got it. Sir, any specific CapEx or anything that you're looking at from the incremental cash planning that you are having or any such opportunity or expansion plans anything in any segment that you're looking at organic or inorganic anything would help highlight?

We keep looking at all time. I think just building from what Sandeep just said. I think, see, first of all, even from the Pidilite Ventures, you will see that depending on which start-ups we've invested in and all that from time to time. There are some start-ups, which tend to do well and all that. So we may increase our stake into a few of them, whichever work which we have done and all that. That's why you see some of these -- what you spoke about in the previous one. Overall, I think -- of course, we are sitting on, whatever, roughly close to INR 3,000 crores in cash now. I think the thing is we keep evaluating options from time to time. And I think depending on when it comes, you can never time it. But I think we will keep looking at opportunities and which are in our areas and in the ancillary space in and around our areas. So I think that's the space which we will keep scouting. And I think as I speak to you, we were evaluating many, but nothing is in something which can be shared or it's nothing in that concrete sense as of now.

So sir, no major organic capacity expansion guidance on the line, is it?

I don't what you mean by major, but we've always said that our CapEx will be anywhere between 3% to 5% of sales. So that is what we are currently moving at. So it will be in that range.

I just meant in some specific categories were you witnessing some specifically more CapEx toward or anything on that part or as a part of overall portfolio?

So that is, in any case part of that 3% to 5%. Obviously, categories which are growing faster will require more capacity and categories which may not be growing that fast, may not need capacity addition at the moment. But that's the way internally we decide which areas we wish to invest behind.

[Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Umang Mehta from Kotak Securities.

Congrats on a good set of numbers. Sir, first question was on your woodworking adhesives. So you'd already started to see mid-stage construction products like waterproofing, see an acceleration, some time back. Have we started to see even white glue see some acceleration because of the real estate up cycle?

Yes. So I think the answer is yes. But I think in terms of now the white glue acceleration, we are seeing it. So therefore, what is happening is if you look at new construction cycles, one phenomena you are seeing, particularly in the big cities is that there is both on-site and a little bit of offsite, which is, if you were to look at I'm saying even amongst all of us on this virtual table again, if you were to ask and wherever you are doing any of the new projects or whatever, kitchens tend to be nowadays in kitchens and a little bit of cupboards are like a lot of them are basically are offsite, not necessarily on-site. So if you were to see the -- my joinery's work which is happening and the numbers there, I can see a clear uptick. So I think which is almost directly correlated to the point you were making. If I was to see my growth in my white glue, which is basically on-site, there, I'm seeing momentum. But is this very distinctive as of now, maybe not. I think that's the piece which is there. So that's the place which I'm in, in this area. So that's how it's playing out.

Understood, sir. Makes sense. And the second question was on B2B. So we've seen some companies call out that 3Q would be worse off than 2Q because of tariff-related issues. For your B2B and export-related products, is that the case? How would you look at near term?

So B2B, I think this is a question which keeps getting asked often. For our B2B, we have different businesses within business segment, if I could say, or businesses within that which we look at. So I think the -- one which is there is basically -- so if I was -- first, let me break up B2B. Into domestic B2B, we've delivered mid-teens underlying volume growth even in the quarter that has gone by, in quarter 2 by the way. So this 9.9% is composed of a mid-teens domestic B2B. And there is, of course, pressure on exports, and that's the reason you are seeing 9.9%. So what we are saying is that this momentum of mid-teens domestic B2B, which also has projects and some of those things, which we look at very well, and we've been talking about, we are confident that, that momentum will continue. As far as tariff is concerned, when and how quickly it get resolved, it's hard to say. But if you were to see last 1 month or last 10, 15 days movements, I think there seems to be a little bit of semblance in this entire piece as well. So there is a little bit of stability in this instability, if I can use this paradoxical phrase. So what I'm saying is that, therefore, for us, are you -- are we confident that this kind of momentum will maintain? The answer is yes. Is there a slight upside possible if there was to be a correction in tariffs and all that, again, the answer is yes. But that you can't budget is the point you made. I think the companies that have talked to you may have too much dependence on tariffs and may have a different point of view. But as you know, we delivered a nearly double digit, actually a double-digit underlying volume growth despite this.

The next question is from the line of Amit Sachdeva from UBS.

Sir, just one small question on the input price cycle. Sir, we think that -- it seems like the benign input prices and obviously result in gross margins seems to be in a very benign super cycle now. It's got extended and probably seems like it continues to be benign. Is there a way you give some outlook on how you see demand supply situation panning out over, say, next 12 months? I also hear that there were some Chinese capacity was also imminently coming, but it's not coming because the supply situation is very benign. Do you have like a 12-month view on how things are evolving and your outlook on input prices?

So input prices, I think we've spoken about it a little bit back, Amit. I think as far as 6 months is concerned, we see it to be benign. In today's day and age, I think to your predecessor's question, Umang, I think to be able to look beyond that and with all the -- it may not be prudent for me to get beyond this. I think your point that there is a little bit of demand softness in the big market of China. I think that's correct. And to that, that is correct again. So is there a little bit of demand softness in that big market? The answer is yes. Do we see it benign for the next 6-odd months? Clearly, the answer is yes. 12 months, do I have a clear view that it will be like this? I'm saying I cannot comment.

Got it. Got it. That was very helpful. I just wanted to check that how imminent this situation could be because there is obviously a cycle of demand and supply that runs into at least 2 to 3 years, and we are way past that period. But I don't know how this has evolving now, so I thought this is fair enough. This definitely answers the question.

No, good point. Good point. And I think this is something which we keep talking ourselves as well. But I think Amit, for you and to everyone on the table just to reassure that I think we are always at Pidilite very well poised to manage these cycles reasonably well. I think our ability to pass on some of these prices judiciously is very well established. So we are well poised in that space. That's not an issue.

The next question is from the line of Saurabh Kundan from Goldman Sachs.

If you could give us any update on the electronics adhesives foray, the Qualtech partnership. What stage is it at? At what point will we see it reasonably contributing to sales? Any update on that will be helpful.

Yes. So I just want to tell you that basically, our specifications to most customers is on, our sales to a couple of customers has started. So I think there is work happening on that space. It's a tricky space, though. The point is that it is also, as I explained maybe in the call before this or earlier, is there are multiple areas where basically there is this application space and so on and so forth. So when we have some partnership, it is not that we will be able to tap into all of them. We will be able to tap into few of them. So I think in the areas that we will be able to tap into and we have the potential, there is good work happening. There is also work happening in trying to develop some of these things and there we've also started work at R&D place. I think your question is to, will it be substantial? And when will it be substantial? Rather than saying when will it be substantial, I will say that in the immediate or medium-term defined as let's say, 6 months or 12 months, some of these initiatives which we are showing now are not going to be material to the size of Pidilite. But having said that, the work needs to be done because if we do the right work now, then some of these will be meaningful and arguably material in 3 to 5 years. But a lot of work is happening because it is at a work stage, beyond a point in time, it's not prudent to share.

The next question is from the line of [ Parshwa ] from Mehta Equities.

As the government is giving a lot of priority to electronics manufacturing in the country. So can you share the opportunity size that we can see in adhesive segment, which is used in electronic assemblies?

Yes. [ Parshwa ], this is very similar to the previous guy, Himanshu asking, I think, asked this question again. I think the point is.

I'm so sorry, sir. I just connected the line.

Yes, yes. No, no. So just to tell you that I just -- we just responded to Himanshu. See, this is a space which is evolving as we speak. We are mapping area by area. This is quite complex and complicated. See, there are two things. First of all, on any instrument or anything which you look at, there are multiple areas of adhesion and thermal conduction and so on and so forth, which are there. Multiple [Foreign Language] could run into 100s easily. Now the question is that, within that, what are the areas where we will be having a right to play. First of all, what are these mapping them, theoretically mapping them if possible. When you see these headlines, which come in the newspapers, those are big headline numbers. So theoretically, you can do that. But if you were deep down into that, the issue is that some of it will not be done in India. I'm saying a lot of when you say manufacturing, is perhaps assembly and last point assembly as well. It is also evolving to be fair, and I don't want to comment. So therefore, what we are doing is we are mapping it by each of these, seeing what of it is done in India, what comes from outside. And within what is done in India, where do we have the license to play and where do we have a right to win. And as I said to Himanshu's response that we are -- wherever the products are available, we have specified our products in many places. So we have started -- we have sampled in quite a few of them as well. And I'm happy to share that in a couple of places, we are also -- we have also started commercial orders, which are repeat orders as well.

[Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Himanshu Singh from JPMorgan.

Many FMCG peers have called out the impact of monsoons during this quarter. So have you also witnessed any impact of monsoon extended range because as we are involved in the construction business? So have you also seen any impact of monsoon during this quarter?

Of course, the monsoon is for everyone, Himanshu. It's not that for Pidilite monsoon won't say that I won't rain because it's Pidilite. But I think what is good about our company, and I want to reiterate that, and I think that's what makes Pidilite what Pidilite is, is that our focus on demand generation is extremely high. And therefore, our model focuses a lot -- our business model and our go-to-market strategy is focused on generating demand. And as you are aware, we have 2 field forces going out, and therefore, people are continuously focused on generating demand. I think this uniqueness of our model, coupled with the strength of our growing portfolio and the richness of our portfolio allows us to weather some of these things better. And I'm saying if you look at some of the other guys, they will say there is monsoon, extended monsoon, GST 2.0 impact, this, that and all. Everything sort of impacts us also in some form or the other. But I think in a quarter that's gone by, we've delivered underlying -- double-digit underlying volume growth because of our model. There has been extended monsoon, you're absolutely right. And I think as a country, one watch out for all of us is, does this extended monsoon harm the kharif crop, where the answers are not out as of now. So if it's going to continue to rain the way it's raining, I'm saying, I don't know whether the Bombay rains are there everywhere else. I'm saying will it begin to impact other areas. That is something which has to be -- we need to first of all, get more data on it, and then that needs to be evaluated. That may have a bearing on rural.

Yes. Yes. That's -- it's really good to hear that. Sir, since you mentioned -- so you seem confident on continuing this double-digit underlying volume growth for the second half as well, because of the strength of the model that you follow, correct? Is my understanding correct?

Yes. We've demonstrated that we've delivered double-digit underlying volume growth for some quarters, and we are confident that we can do it in the future. You're absolutely right.

The next question is from the line of Bharat Seth from Quest Investment Advisors Private Limited.

Sudhanshu, I have this question for our Jowat. So how do we are seeing the progress of Jowat since we have, I believe, factory was already completed and we were doing some project also. So can you give a little more color on how do we see over a couple of years?

Bharat bhai, first of all, always good to hear from you. Thank you. I think Bharat bhai on this -- on the Jowat piece, I can tell you, and I was talking about it in the earlier part of the call in context of joinery, I think we are seeing clear traction when it comes to joinery. But as you know, hot melt adhesives, Bharat bhai, and hot melt PURs and hot melt adhesives have now extensive use in various areas. So there is a lot of use of these even in industries. So what -- as I speak to you, what we are doing is we are also mapping this far more thoroughly. How do we take it well beyond woodworking and joinery. So woodworking and joinery, we are doing well, which was the first protocol. Then there is good traction. I think in other areas, we are also mapping and seeing how do we grow this. So this is an area which is -- so two places is doing well. It's doing well here. It's also doing well in our advanced packaging and conversion. APC that's one of our business -- one of the things we look at in our industrial business. So I think advanced packaging conversion, we are seeing good traction in hot melts adhesives. We are seeing good traction in joineries, 100%. But in this joinery part of the business, I think we'll continue to map it so that we grow this faster than what we have done and utilize the space even better.

Okay. And second piece on the national level sorry, this 4P what we are talking, that brand, I sorry I missed it.

You know [ Group of Maya ]. The brand is UnoFin.

Yes. So how we are thinking about it? And what I understand we were thinking of launching pan-India basis. So when we will see and we started with regional presence. So...

So we -- I'll request Kavinder is also with us on the line to talk about it and give you a little bit more color on this part.

Bharat bhai, good to hear you on the call, just wanted to mention to you that while UnoFin is the brand name for this spray craft, what we call as render. The game with Grupo Puma is not just that. The game with Grupo Puma extends into professional level of tile adhesives, very recently we have launched in September, a brand called NeoPro by Roff under the brand name of Roff. So these are for premium tile dealers. So this is a new launch, which we are excited about. As we speak, we are sort of extending it into various markets. So that has come from the Grupo Puma technology. There are a few other products in offering. Let me come back now to your question on UnoFin. So UnoFin has not delivered in line with our expectations so far. Part of the reason is, it's about changing the practice of the current practice where people are happy to do the primer, putty, paint, et cetera. We are looking to change the game by actually offering this solution to people, who would want a water-resistant coating sprayable, therefore, taking much lesser time, looking absolutely very good even after 10 to 15 years. So this will typically have to be focused on buildings where owners would like to save the future maintenance costs and also the architects, who would like very beautiful looking facades. So this market, we have understood that this is the way to go about. We are beginning to see traction in the hotel industry in some commercial complexes, and we have intentionally kept the team only in the Northern region to perfect this whole business model because our factory is in Rajasthan, and we do not want to transport this product all over the country because it affects the margins. So therefore, this is a -- as we call it in our language in Pidilite, the pilot is on. It has taken a little longer than what we would have ideally liked, but we are going in a very sure-shot manner. We have made one more change. We have a large user business team, which is now the go-to market. Earlier, we had a separate sales team, which was going independently. Now we have merged the sales team with a large user group. And therefore, we believe that this will lead to a better go-to-market strategy. These changes we have done in the last 1 or 2 months. So therefore, we remain clearly optimistic about creating the category. And as you know, we are pioneers in creating categories, and that's the approach that we are taking in this category. On the other hand, NeoPro is not category creation. It is premiumization of our tile adhesive.

Bharat bhai, very quickly, I think Kavinder was recently in Jaipur. So one other good news I want to give you, one of the first early projects we did, Kavinder only was telling me 2 years back or something is looking fabulous, Bharat bhai. So I think, therefore, it's giving us confidence, I think 2 to 3 years now, which is what is the promise of these vendors. They look good for very long. You know that, that is the kind of thing and as we do this, it will be good.

So sir, just to understand, I mean, from a cost perspective, cost of ownership over life of the project. I mean how do one should think about it benefit as well as cost of ownership will be definitely a little costlier than the traditional way of going up.

Bharat bhai, if I could quickly add, I think we'll need to do more math on it to give you a very specific answer. But I can tell you, one-time first-time cost is a bit of a premium. But maintenance is, if it is going to be a 20-year shelf life. I'm just thinking about it. We have a promise of whatever, at least in the European place, there's 25 plus and all that. Then the total cost of ownership or total cost of doing this, Bharat bhai, will be low. I'm saying that's what we are basically seeing there. The total cost will be low.

[Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Tejash Shah from Avendus Spark Institutional Equities.

A couple of follow-ups. So first, at a very broader level, government has taken several bets to revive consumption and the recent one being GST rate cut. So when you speak with your sales team, channel partners, are you seeing any visible signs of recovery, which gives us some hint that consumption is better than what it was, let's say, 6 months back or 9 months back?

So as I was telling you, I think for GST 2.0, Tejash, it may be too early to call any verdict. Having said that, and I maintained this and we've been saying this for some time, it is the right step. So I think I want to congratulate the government, everyone involved and all that, making sure that all your staples and daily consumption items for common Indian, every Indian are at 5% is exactly the steps we have -- we should have taken and we have taken. So that's a very good step. Now as this releases some amount of income in the hands of all Indians, what is the impact of that, which discretionary category benefit? When do they benefit is, at this moment, a matter of conjecture. It will happen, but how it will happen, we'll have to see. I think on the second part, there are -- there is also a GST change in some of the home improvement items or in general, over construction. Cement has come down from 28% to 18%. Some of our stone, marble and all have come down to 5%, if I'm not mistaken, I think that's the rate. So therefore, the impact of this on construction and further fill to construction, we stay very optimistic on this, which you can see in our commentary as well. So I think that is the piece, which will also help us. How it plays out we have to see. Lastly, are we seeing urban demand recovering at least at Pidilite level, the answer is yes, which I spoke about earlier in the call as well, independent of everything.

Yes. So my question was also that there were a couple of interventions, which are made 6 months, 9 months back also in terms of monetary policy easing and tax rate cut. And there were a lot of hopes that they will also contribute to demand revival, but I got the answer. Sir, second, when you look at the very broader consumption space, Pidilite seems like a silver lining in terms of what we are delivering for a while now. And when we exchange notes with other industry leaders are not only in our sector but otherwise, what would you say that doing differently, what others are not? Because what I'm trying to understand is it more of a category-specific thing? Or is it like our own execution excellence or mix of both, which are actually helping us to deliver what we are doing?

No, I think very good question, Tejash. I think -- and partly, I alluded to this in earlier -- in the call earlier. I think I see two clear moats, which are emerging for Pidilite, which have been there, but I think which is what sort of explain -- partly explain how we are sort of -- how we've done and we are consistently delivering. I think one is the way we go about doing things. So I do want to reiterate many -- very few companies focus on demand generation the way Pidilite does. I think with our entire business model, also our expenses. Business model is not only about cost, you are aware that we've talked about it, that there are two field forces, blah, blah and all that. But how do we review, what are the linkages, how do we keep improving that as we keep going forward. So our entire demand generation business model is one thing, which -- and which is on -- which we need to keep -- continually keep improving, and I think that's an area. Second is, of course, the growth of our portfolio. And as our portfolio gets more diversified, it gives us better ability to maneuver some of these things. And to that extent, there is a little bit of a category play, you are right? So if you are there, that's what portfolio plays. You have some part of your portfolio in categories that grow faster, they deliver better results. And therefore, when you look at a company like Pidilite, you are able to consistently deliver. And I think -- so therefore, this is -- in that sense, it's -- these are things which help Pidilite as we go forward.

As there are no further questions, I would now like to hand the conference over to management for closing comments.

So thank you very much. Thank you, everybody, who's joined the call for your continued interest in Pidilite. Wishing each of you a very good evening, and we'll connect after the third quarter earnings. Thank you.

Thank you very much. On behalf of Equirus Securities Private Limited, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines. Thank you.