Precision BioSciences, Inc. (DTIL) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

May 29, 2024

NASDAQ US Health Care Biotechnology special 33 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Cassie Gorsuch

executive
#1

Hello, everyone, and welcome to Precision BioSciences First Virtual Symposium. My name is Cassie Gorsuch and I'm the VP of Gene Therapy here at Precision. Today, it is my pleasure to be joined by 2 incredible key opinion leaders to discuss an unmet patient need as it relates to chronic hepatitis B, a leading cause of morbidity in the U.S. and deaths globally. Today, we'll go over the current treatment landscape a little bit about the virus that underlies chronic hepatitis B, the need for better curative options and then touch on Precision BioSciences' PBGENE-HBV program utilizing our ARCUS gene editing technology and think a little bit about what our Phase I clinical trial design might look like. With me today is Dr. Mark Sulkowski, Chief of the Division of Infectious Diseases at the Johns Hopkins Bayview Medical Center; and Dr. Geoffrey Dusheiko, Emeritus Professor of Medicine at the University College London School of Medicine and Hepatologist Consultant at Kings College Hospital. Thank you both so much for being with us today.

Geoffrey Dusheiko

attendee
#2

Thank you for the invitation.

Mark Sulkowski

attendee
#3

Thank you, thrilled to be here.

Cassie Gorsuch

executive
#4

So first, let's start with sort of a big picture of chronic hepatitis B. Dr. Dusheiko for anyone who may be joining us who is not familiar with chronic hepatitis B, could you give us a little overview about what hepatitis B is and its effects globally, please?

Geoffrey Dusheiko

attendee
#5

Thank you, Cassie. Hepatitis B virus infection is caused by the hepatitis B virus. It's a DNA virus. It's actually an RNA virus gone wrong. There's an important global prevalence of hepatitis B virus, which is not declining. And the morbidity of hepatitis B virus infection is actually increasing. There's thought to be over 250 million people living with hepatitis B. And the vast majority at the moment are unaware of their diagnosis. And again, even amongst those diagnosed, only a minority are being treated. So it's an important global health problem, which has been neglected. Times are changing. There's a new emphasis on combating hepatitis B at the present time, but it is important to understand the global epidemiology and morbidity caused by the hepatitis B virus.

Cassie Gorsuch

executive
#6

Thank you, Dr. Dusheiko for sharing your perspective on really how this virus impacts on a global scale. Dr. Sulkowski could you please tell us a little bit about how this virus looks specifically in the U.S?

Mark Sulkowski

attendee
#7

Sure. In many ways, United States reflects the rest of the world. We have about 1.5 million people living with chronic hepatitis B. Many of those people move to the United States from other parts of the world where the virus is more common. That's about 75% of the people with hep B in the U.S. Most of these people, 1.5 million, are really not diagnosed or in care. In fact, we estimate that only about 300,000 are currently being treated. So the consequence of that, a high disease burden, very minimal diagnosis and treatment means we have high rates of liver-related complications, including hepatocellular carcinoma. So a major cause of morbidity and mortality in the U.S.

Cassie Gorsuch

executive
#8

Thank you both for painting that picture of what this really looks like on a global scale as well as particularly within the U.S. Dr. Dusheiko, you touched on sort of the underlying biology of chronic hepatitis B and that it's caused by the hepatitis B virus, recognizing that there's probably quite a diverse audience with us today. Maybe we can keep this a little bit high level, but let's talk a little bit about the viral life cycle and what this -- how this virus really leads to chronic hepatitis B.

Geoffrey Dusheiko

attendee
#9

I guess, the first thing to say is, for some reason, individuals infected very early in the life by mother to child transformation was affected in the neonatal period [indiscernible] an appropriate immune response to hep B and the child acquisition is the most important cause of instant chronic infection at present. For some reason, adults are less likely to develop chronic infection, they may develop acute inflection, although some adults may go into chronic hepatitis B. The replication cycle of hepatitis B is relatively well understood and briefly upon entry into the cell, the relaxed circular DNA is converted by cellular enzymes into the cccDNA. That's better known as of minichromosome because it is an episomal minichromosome responsible for subsequent replication of the pregenomic RNA, reverse transcription of the pregenomic RNA to minus and plus-strand synthesis and assembly of the viral proteins into the virion and subsequent space. There are a number of targets that have been identified within that. It's important to mention that one minor but critical aspect of the life cycle of hep B, is the formation of double-stranded linear DNA, which integrates at random sites into the host chromosome at breaks. Although those are linearized, they don't take part in the replication cycle of hepatitis B. It probably cited after the promoter, there will be continued production of large, middle and small surface antigen and that antigen excess over years, we think, is important in tolerizing the infant, but also exhausting the T and B cell response to hep B, thus impairing the likelihood of clearance of hep B. The integrins are also critical probably for the oncogenesis of hepatitis B virus.

Cassie Gorsuch

executive
#10

Yes. Thank you for walking us through that Dr. Dusheiko. And Dr. Sulkowski, based on what Dr. Dusheiko just said, there's really 2 forms of viral reservoirs that exist in infected hepatocytes, the cccDNA and the integrated HBV DNA. Can you speak a little bit to the importance of both of those 2 viral sources?

Mark Sulkowski

attendee
#11

Sure. And that was a fantastic overview. I think when you think about the active infection, this is really the cccDNA. This is driving the production of new virions that will infect other hepatocytes, keeping that infection going in an individual, but they're also going to be potentially spread to other people transmitted through mother and child transmission, through sexual transmission or blood-borne transmission. So the cccDNA drives the infection but this integrated DNA really perpetuates the reduction of surface antigen, which may serve as immune tolerance, but also drives potentially hepatocellular carcinoma and pathogenesis of clonal expansion of hepatocytes. So both are critical roles in terms of the infection itself.

Cassie Gorsuch

executive
#12

Thank you. And I think Dr. Dusheiko you touched on the idea that there have been a number of different therapeutic strategies aimed at different parts of this viral life cycle, and we'll get to that in just a moment. I want to first spend a couple of minutes talking about these patients. And at Precision, we always try to put the patient first as we're thinking about developing our therapeutic approach. So I want to spend a couple of minutes talking about the burden and the impact that chronic hep B has on people on a personal level. And so Dr. Sulkowski, could you tell us a little bit about how this virus really impacts people on a day-to-day basis?

Mark Sulkowski

attendee
#13

Sure. What I meet a person who is newly diagnosed with hepatitis B, there's really 2 major concerns that they share with me. One, is about their personal health, will they develop liver disease, will they develop liver cancer, can this be cured. These are the thoughts going through their head. And they carry that with them as they go through their lives, this idea that there may be cancer form in their liver. The second element that people share is concerned about transmission. How did I get this infection and can I spread it to others around me, particularly women of childbearing potential, concerned about mother-to-child transmission. So there is a tremendous amount of concern and anxiety people have both with their individual health as well as transmission and certainly a lot of stigma that they carry. This is not something they talk about with people outside their immediate family.

Cassie Gorsuch

executive
#14

Thank you. And Dr. Dusheiko maybe you could share a little bit more about that stigma that patients face. And what sort of impact that can have globally?

Geoffrey Dusheiko

attendee
#15

I would just endorse what Mark has said. I think hepatologists have probably underestimated the stigma felt by patients living with hepatitis B. We're also aware that the level of activism amongst patient with hepatitis B is much lower than patients with HIV, for example. And there are a variety of reasons for that. It's often more prevalent in minorities, amongst immigrants, refugees, et cetera. And they've just not had the powerful voice of the HIV community that's changing. And I think it's up to us to address issues like stigma, stigma in many walks of life, occupational stigma, stigma in the military, immigration, visas, work permits, the ability to move from country to country, et cetera, transmission that Mark has mentioned. We have a lot of work to do in this area, and I don't think it's being addressed well up till now. But we are aware, I think, of a growing patient voice and would support and endorse that it is important.

Cassie Gorsuch

executive
#16

Thank you for sharing that with us. It sounds like there's really a lot of unmet need and a lot of activism needed in this space to really promote good options for patients. So let's talk about what that looks like in terms of good options for patients. Dr. Sulkowski, you mentioned when you sit down with the patient newly diagnosed, what does that conversation look like from the perspective of treatment options and curability of something like this?

Mark Sulkowski

attendee
#17

Sure. And certainly, as I mentioned, every patient I've talked to with hepatitis B wants to be cured. In fact, often here, well, there's a cure for hepatitis C, why is there not a cure for hep B. And actually, Geoff, shared exactly why there's not an easy cure. This is a more complicated virus. So actually do talk to patients about the virus itself, its life cycle and describe the current therapies in nucleoside/nucleotide that work to inhibit the polymerase, which reverse transcribes the RNA back to DNA in that viral life cycle. These are therapies that are safe, tolerable, once daily. They can suppress viral replication leading to less liver disease and potentially reducing the risk of liver cancer. But it is important that the patients understand that these are not likely to lead to a cure either a functional or a sterilizing cure, we'll talk more about this.

Cassie Gorsuch

executive
#18

Yes. Thank you for taking us there in terms of what that functional cure and sterilizing cure is. And maybe I'll turn it over to Dr. Dusheiko to really describe what is the goal from a treating physician's perspective from a therapeutic field perspective in terms of goals towards cures?

Geoffrey Dusheiko

attendee
#19

We've used interferon quite widely in the past, but it's much less commonly used now because of toxicity and the lack of efficacy in large numbers of individuals. So the mainstay of treatment are nucleoside analogs. They're chain terminators. They affect late stage of that replicated cycle. They affect minus-strand and plus-strand synthesis, but they have no direct effect on cccDNA and they have no direct effect on [ integrins ] only to the extent that they reduce replication, but they will not eradicate those integrins. And so they are important drugs, they will effectively suppress hep B replication, but they're used as maintenance suppressive often lifelong therapy, and some of the patients have been on nucleoside analogs for many years. The problem is, as you'd expect, because of the lack of a direct effect on cccDNA and integrated viral genome, the majority of patients treated with nucleoside analogs remain HBsAg positive. That stigma persists and that probably represents an antigen excess impairing the immune response. So we need to think laterally about curative therapies there is a lot of effort in this area. Curative therapies are currently being defined as clearance of HBsAg using a sensitive accepted laboratory assay 6 months after stopping treatment together, of course, with production of undetectable HBV DNA. So it represents a finite treatment of period and after treatment cessation, individuals will be HBsAg negative, nondetectable HBsAg in the serum. And that will mean targeting both integrated and cccDNA to a better extent than we are currently.

Cassie Gorsuch

executive
#20

Thank you. Yes, I think that really provides a nice overview of what the current standard of care is with nucleoside analogs. And really, I think, while it sounds like these are safe, well-tolerated, effective drugs, they are not offering that functional cure to patients. So what else is going on in this space? And as you think about new emerging therapeutics, what are your thoughts towards achieving that goal of functional cure? And Dr. Sulkowski, I'll start with you, please.

Mark Sulkowski

attendee
#21

Sure. Well, I think the first thing I'll say is that we are seeing a number of different therapeutic targets being identified and drugs being tested in human trials. That's really important that we see these advances. Broadly speaking, they can fall into 2 categories. There's ones targeting the viral life cycle. We know that the current therapies nucleoside/nucleotide analogs work on the polymerase, but there are potentially other targets, and we've seen oral drugs targeting capsid assembly entering human trials and in some cases suppressing viral replication. And these look like they may have an option as antivirals. There are also drugs that are targeting the translation of the pregenomic RNA that is the viral RNA that gets translated into proteins like the surface antigen. We're seeing both siRNAs as well as antisense oligonucleotides including one that's made it into Phase III clinical trials. Now so far, these antiviral approaches have had relatively modest effects in terms of the ability to deliver that S antigen loss or functional cure. So that leads me to the second broad category, which is immunotherapies that is trying to harness the immune system to control the virus and perhaps using these in combination therapies. That's a 1-2 punch where we knock the virus down and then boost the immune system using strategies, ranging from checkpoint inhibitors to therapeutic vaccines. So all of these things are being tested with some success, but relatively modest success to this point in time.

Cassie Gorsuch

executive
#22

And Dr. Dusheiko as you look at these new emerging therapeutic options and this idea of potentially combining antiviral with an immune modulator. What are your thoughts in terms of how that might lead to options for patients and progress towards that functional cure?

Geoffrey Dusheiko

attendee
#23

Mark's given a good summary of the state of the field. I think it's fair to say at the moment that we can achieve with [ sponge grade ] RNAs, antisense oligonucleotides quite good knockdown of HBsAg typically around [ too low ] and around 60% to 70% of patients on treatment will lower their HPsAg concentrations to quite low levels around 100 international units, but for few patients are clearing the virus and achieving functional cure. And that's probably to all intents and purposes only being seen in patients who have low baseline HBsAg concentrations. So the current Phase III trial with the ASOs, as Mark has mentioned, is including patients with HPsAg concentrations below 3,000, which is a relatively low HPsAg concentration. So we've got much work to do. I think the strategy of knockdown of HBsAg leading to restoration of the dysfunctional immune response is really only being seen in patients with low baseline HPsAg where they are primed. And to some extent, it's disappointing. I really think the immune system with acquisition in the neonatal period is markedly dysfunctional. [indiscernible] studied of T and B cell function showed extensive exsorption, immunologic [ scarring]. The cells are often resident in the liver and not in the periphery. So it's very hard to study in peripheral blood. It looks as though those cells have been imprinted away from hepatitis B. And so the strategy of immunomodulation following knockdown of HBsAg is not the final answer. It's time, I think, for that reason to start thinking laterally of other much more direct approaches, finding -- directing targeting cccDNA and directly targeting HBsAg transcription from integrated biogenomes in the hope that, that will lead to greater rates of functional care, but we have reached that point.

Cassie Gorsuch

executive
#24

Yes, that's a great segue, I think, to take us into the Precision approach towards functional's cure for hepatitis B. So at Precision, we are developing our PBGENE-HBV program, which is a lipid nanoparticle that delivers an ARCUS nuclease which is a gene editing nuclease that specifically recognizes a target sequence in the HBV DNA that's present in both cccDNA and integrated HBV DNA. And so the goal here is to cut cccDNA, which will lead to elimination of cccDNA and cut integrated HBV DNA in order to inactivate and turn off any transcription from integrated HBV DNA. And our goal at Precision is really is a 2-pronged approach at cccDNA and integrated HBV DNA in the hopes of achieving a functional cure. And you can see we've demonstrated, from my perspective, a really robust preclinical data package showing up to 99% viral DNA elimination in nonhuman primates and really exciting from our presentation at the Liver Meeting back in November, the ability to durably inactivate integrated HBV DNA in a transgenic mouse model. And so both of these pieces of data were shared back in November, and we continue to build out a very thorough and robust efficacy and safety package to continue progressing our PBGENE-HBV product. But I'd like to take a minute and ask Dr. Dusheiko, you mentioned that the time has come for a new approach. What are your general thoughts about gene editing strategy for hepatitis B?

Geoffrey Dusheiko

attendee
#25

I think it's an exciting approach. It's clearly at the departure. Safety will be paramount. But globally, chronic hepatitis occurs in a generation who missed hepatitis B vaccination, but there are many parts of the world where individuals who are qualified for treatment and cure would be in their 30s and 40s. So safety is paramount. The principle would be to treat hepatitis B earlier before integration events lead to an unstoppable oncogenic event, before the onset of cirrhosis, will have to entrust safety. And I know that Precision Biosciences have been spending many years evaluating the safety of the gene editing approach. At the same time, the idea of targeting cccDNA at the same time as targeting integrated viral genomes is an attractive proposition. So I emphasize safety, it's a new world. But the time has come, I think, to look at gene editing prospects for the management and curative treatment of hepatitis B.

Cassie Gorsuch

executive
#26

And Dr. Sulkowski when you look at this approach, what makes me really excited about an editing strategy like this?

Mark Sulkowski

attendee
#27

Sure. Well, I think the excitement comes from the fact that it's really getting to the heart of the problem. It is targeting the viral infection that the other therapeutic strategies, both the ones we're using in clinic today and those that I talked about in development can't get at. They're directly targeting the cccDNA, which is the pathway to make new virions [ perpetuate ] the infection. And even the pathway for viral reactivation and people achieve functional cure years later. By targeting the heart of the problem, we're really eliminating cccDNA. And then if we turn to the integrated DNA, the concern is that this may be driving oncogenesis that is the development of hepatocellular carcinoma. If we can target that, that may reduce the risk over time. So it really gets to the problem that is the virus and the viral DNA.

Geoffrey Dusheiko

attendee
#28

Cassie [indiscernible].

Cassie Gorsuch

executive
#29

Please go ahead.

Geoffrey Dusheiko

attendee
#30

I should mention as well that we have a readily available biomarker that will demonstrate target engagement and that's the decline in HBsAg. It really couldn't be simpler. So we will know if we are effective at reducing HBsAg and we'll be able to understand with time, the quantities of HBsAg being reduced from cccDNA and integrated viral genome. But we have a readily available biomarkers to look at the kinetics of the response to that. I should mention that.

Cassie Gorsuch

executive
#31

Yes. That's a great segue as we think about biomarkers and how we will know if this is working in patients. Maybe we can spend a little time talking about this first-in-human trial design. And I'd love to get your perspective on what types of endpoints we should be looking for both on the safety side and on the efficacy side. And Dr. Dusheiko you mentioned s antigen as a really robust efficacy endpoint. So maybe I'll start with you in terms of what are your expectations? What would you like to see in terms of endpoints for this Phase I design.

Geoffrey Dusheiko

attendee
#32

Thanks, Cassie. In a broadest term, there may be 2 major categories of patients, e-positive patients with high and less high levels of replication and varied degrees of activity and e-negative patients, where the levels of activity can vary. Some of these patients can have quite low levels of replication. So we've got good biomarkers that distinguish that pattern. I'd like to see e-positive patients included. And in those patients, we would want to see a reduction in hep B DNA if they're not on the nucleoside analog, importantly, hepatitis B RNA because that's the major transcript from cccDNA, quantitative e and quantitative s. In e-negative category of patients, you might not see as much hepatitis B RNA, can be difficult to detect if most of the s has been derived from the integrated viral genomes. But I would certainly want to measure hepatitis B RNA if detectable at baseline, correlated antigen and, of course, quantitative surface antigen together with other markers like the transaminases shown with improving liver function and perhaps Mark can amplify how we use transaminases in these trials.

Cassie Gorsuch

executive
#33

Yes. Please, Dr. Sulkowski, can you share your thoughts in terms of transaminase elevation, expectations around that, as well as your thoughts on patient enrollment criteria?

Mark Sulkowski

attendee
#34

Sure. I think Geoff has made this point. I want to emphasize that we really want to make sure that we are targeting safety of this approach, this gene editing approach. And that's going to be selecting individuals who are actively infected. We want to be able to measure markers of viral replication and the decline with gene editing treatment, but we will also make sure that they have minimal liver disease, normal liver enzymes, ideally entering or close to normal entering the therapy and then we need to monitor closely. I think we've seen liver enzyme elevations with a number of different agents being developed all the way back to interferon where liver enzyme elevations were actually seen as a marker of immune response. But we need to monitor closely with stopping criteria such that if liver enzymes increase, we can stop the intervention and monitor patients. I think we know how to do this. We've been working in this liver space for some time, but the key will be safety and patient selection as we go forward.

Cassie Gorsuch

executive
#35

And as we think about this approach, this gene editing approach where the effect is very rapid. We expect that we would engage cccDNA and integrated HBV DNA very quickly after the LNP is administered. So the effects would be very fast. Our preclinical data really suggests that the s antigen decline happens rapidly, that any transaminase elevations are moderate, well controlled and very transient. And so I think both of those from the efficacy and safety perspective bode well as we think about moving into this Phase I trial. Dr. Sulkowski, given that information from our preclinical data, what are your expectations around what you might see and what -- how you would manage that as a physician in terms of the ALT elevations potentially or any sort of s antigen decline, if you see that from the permanence of this approach, what would your expectations be on that changing?

Mark Sulkowski

attendee
#36

Sure. The ideal scenario, we enroll participants. They're treated with the ARCUS gene editing. We see a decline in s antigen and other biomarkers. Now at the same time, we might see elevations in the liver enzymes. And in general, we're going to measure those as a fold increase over baseline. And we're really quite comfortable with modest elevations in liver enzymes and that would lead to change in my approach to that patient as long as they're clinically well. I think what we want to see is we finish the treatment and as we observe patients, ideally, we'd see the persistence of no viral [ biomarkers ] that is achieving functional cure. Of course, with this approach, you have to ask the question, is it functional or perhaps is it sterilizing cure, but we do want to see that persists over time, not just over 6 months, but even longer.

Cassie Gorsuch

executive
#37

Yes. And I think our expectation is really the upside of the gene editing approach is the permanence of it. And so if you've eliminated the cccDNA and you've inactivated the integrated HBV DNA, when you see those viral biomarkers decline, there's really no reason to see them rebound. Dr. Dusheiko would you -- do you agree with that sort of thinking of how we're considering the durability of this approach?

Geoffrey Dusheiko

attendee
#38

Absolutely. I just take Mark's point, it's correct. We've become accepting of ALT increases and if things are going in the right direction, and that's associated with the knockdown of the viral replication or as we've seen with some of the ASOs, for example, reduction in HBsAg gene. And we would have other markers to ensure safety, [indiscernible] on the timing, but yes, the permanence of that approach, I think, is key. We would not want to see and we wouldn't expect to see if patients become undetectable on treatment. The hope is that they would remain undetectable of treatment if cccDNA is inactivated and eliminated. We're not likely to see reactivation from cccDNA and we could study that again with sensitive biomarkers. But the hope is that this indeed would represent permanence and a cure.

Cassie Gorsuch

executive
#39

I think that's a really exciting and hopeful note to start to bring this to an end. But I'd like to take a moment to thank both of you, and it's really been a privilege and an absolute pleasure talking with you today. I'd like to give each of you an opportunity just to share any concluding thoughts that you have. So Dr. Sulkowski, we'll start with you, please.

Mark Sulkowski

attendee
#40

Sure. Well, it's been a pleasure to talk to both of you, really enjoyed the discussion. I think this is really an important topic. I think when we look at the burden of hepatitis B around the world in the United States, this is a silent epidemic that is taking a toll on people every day. So we need to continue along every aspect of the control of this epidemic that is vaccination, diagnosis and treatment. But these cures can't be underestimated. It's critical that we find a way to eliminate hepatitis B from individual patients leading to both functional. What is really exciting about this approach is a sterilizing cure. So I'm excited to see you in the next several years as we move forward.

Cassie Gorsuch

executive
#41

Thank you, Dr. Sulkowski. And Dr. Dusheiko, I'd like to turn it over to you, please.

Geoffrey Dusheiko

attendee
#42

Hepatitis B is an important disease. I see much morbidity on 3 continents from the disease in my training and career. I think that the public health improvements in hepatitis B will follow the science. So the hope is that we can develop high rates of curative treatment and public health measures will follow. They will be a spurt to as we did for hepatitis C, find patients, treat them, cure them and reduce the ongoing morbidity from chronic hepatitis B.

Cassie Gorsuch

executive
#43

Well, again, I'd like to thank you both for joining us today. It's been an important conversation really enlightening to hear the patient perspective, first and foremost, and then really talk about how we think about bringing PBGENE HBV to those patients. So thank you again for your time. I'd like to take a moment to really describe from the Precision perspective where we are today and where we're headed with this PBGENE HBV program. So we continue to be on track for a CTA and/or IND filing later this year and hope to really start enrolling our clinical trial very soon after that. We are excited to share that we will be sharing some important safety data from our preclinical safety package at the European Association for the Study of Liver Meeting in June, and we're really committed, excited to continue this momentum for our PBGENE HBV program into the second half of this year. So with that, I'd like to thank all of you for joining us. We're excited to bring this potential curative treatment option to patients together. So thank you all.

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