Prestige Consumer Healthcare Inc. (PBH) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
January 14, 2025
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Susan Anderson
analystOkay. Good afternoon, everyone. I'm Susan Anderson, Senior Analyst at Canaccord Genuity, and I am excited to have here Prestige Consumer Healthcare, and in particular, Ron Lombardi, CEO; and also Chris Sacco, CFO and now COO; and then also Phil Terpolilli, VP, IR and Treasury.
Susan Anderson
analystSo Ron, I think maybe we could start out if you could provide a little update on where Prestige is at today and where you see the company going over the next few years.
Ron Lombardi
executiveSure. Thanks, Susan. Good morning. Good morning to everybody. Thanks for joining us today. We've been on a journey over the last 4 or 5 years where we've been focused on increasing the company's capital allocation optionality by focusing on delevering the company, taking our debt down. And at the end of December, as we've been talking about this fiscal year, we actually got our term loan paid off in full. So our capital structure is made up of a couple of great bond tranches that are attractively priced. But the importance of that is it continues to allow us to focus on the billion dollars of free cash flow that we expect to generate over the next 4 years and use that to invest to grow value for the company and our investors. So it's been a while coming. We've been talking about it for a long time, but we continue to feel good about, first and foremost, being long-term stewards and brand builders of the portfolio we have and being able to take that cash flow to invest going forward.
Susan Anderson
analystGreat. And then maybe if you guys could talk about just the industry-leading margins in the mid-30% range, which I think is important to that free cash flow and also how that gives you pretty flexible capital allocation priorities. So maybe also if you can go into that.
Ron Lombardi
executiveChris, do you want to?
Christine Sacco
executiveSure. So Susan is talking about our EBITDA margins in the low to mid-30s as a percent of sales. I think if you go back in time, even through our very tumultuous COVID period, you'll see that we held those margins. It starts with the space that we're in, right? Consumers need base products. They're going to the shelf, stable top line. And then -- so gross margin for us at about 56% this year, very strong. We, of course, like other companies, look to expand that through continuous cost improvements, through pricing, through new product innovation, which is how we largely get margin. But we talk about wanting to reinvest that in the business. And so maintaining the EBITDA margin is where we focus. And again, in periods where we've had extreme volatility like others during COVID, we were able to hold that EBITDA margin, which is important. And it's the stability of our margins and our financial structure that enables us to generate the kind of consistent free cash flow also over that period to be able to provide that optionality that Ron just talked about.
Susan Anderson
analystGreat. And then maybe if could talk about the distribution channels that you guys have. I think it's important to the strategy. And then also just how the brands are very niche like, which is important, given just less competition in the categories that you play in, less trade down to private label.
Ron Lombardi
executiveSure. So we have a broad, diversified portfolio that we've built out over time. And our focus is really long-term brand building for brands that define and lead niche categories. So we look to compete in spaces that we can win in, right? Kind of sounds silly to say, but that's really been the focus behind our M&A strategy is where can we find places to invest that the brand can be well positioned to grow over time. So we invest over the long term that diversity of the portfolio allows us to manage through periods of change, right? If we go during the COVID period, right, we saw consumers run home, stay home. We saw them change the way they shop and where they shop, then they all ran back out and were active, then we saw high levels of inflation. And our brands performed well during that tumultuous fast-changing environment. And the diversity of the portfolio allowed us to do well when everybody stayed home and didn't go to the doctors. Our DenTek and Monistat, for example, brands did really well as people kind of self-treated at home. And then as people got out in travel, our Dramamine business took off as a couple of examples of that. So the diversity of the portfolio and then where we sell our products really serves us well. So as consumers have moved more to dot-com, whether it's Amazon or walmart.com or whoever -- whatever brick-and-mortar.com we're working with, has grown quickly. And we've been positioned to take advantage of that as consumers have moved to those channels.
Susan Anderson
analystGreat. And just looking at the supply chain, so most is manufactured by third parties, so asset-light. Can you talk about some of the challenges that eye care business had and kind of where you're at with that, getting the manufacturing back up to speed and how you're thinking about that for 2025?
Ron Lombardi
executiveSure. So as we talked about back in May at the beginning of our fiscal year, we saw some disruption in the 2 sterile eye care suppliers that we were using for 2 very different reasons. One was doing some upgrades and trying to expand capacity, and it didn't really work out initially as expected and then our second supplier who was making some additional investments in it. So this year, our top line is being impacted by about 1% on sales. And our outlook for the year was that for the year, again, we'd be down about 1%, but we would expect to see a gradual increase in improvement. So back in November, we said that we expected Clear Eye shipments in the quarter ended December to be above September's level, and that's what we realized at this point. So it was largely in line with what we expected for the quarter ended December. We continue to be on a bit of a longer-term process to expand the network supply that we have there. So the 2 current suppliers will expand capacity, and we'll work on balancing that with availability each quarter and looking to continue to make progress. And then we'll also look to add additional suppliers for next year to expand the network. So this takes a bit of a time to recover from it, and we're balancing availability of product and shipments each quarter with being able to make improvements in the capacity over time.
Susan Anderson
analystGreat. That's exciting. Maybe if you could talk about the investment you guys have made in digital, which you did early on. So during the pandemic that really benefited you, I think maybe you're about mid-teens penetration now. But if you could talk about that investment and how you see digital going forward, particularly as consumers shift their preferences and where they want to shop, and we're seeing a lot of the drug stores close some doors?
Ron Lombardi
executiveYes. So early on, our investments started with making sure that our distribution center could fulfill the orders. So could we get an order, could we pick, pack and ship it and get it to Amazon and the other dot-com partners in an efficient way. It sounds simple, but you got to start with that. And that was spec-ed out when we opened a new warehouse in 2020 to make sure that we had that core capability to support what we thought at the time would be a fast-growing channel. We didn't have any idea it would grow this fast and quickly become our #2 customer for us. So it started with that. And then we branched into making sure that each brand had an online strategy. So what was the marketing approach going to be? Was product information current? Were the reviews consistent with what we would expect to get for user feedback from consumers over time and working to make sure that, that was all in place? And then the next phase of it has been the kinds of investments that we make with Amazon and our other dot-com partners to invest in catching consumers when they come into the space online and are looking to shop. So each brand has its own approach in terms of the kinds of investment we make. But we've worked to get our marketing people to embrace online as an element of marketing. So if you're investing to catch shoppers on the bar when they're searching for an ailment or a type of product, that's marketing, right, the way you can connect with them. So getting the marketing people to embrace that as one of their Ps in terms of investment. So it's never any one thing, and we didn't swing the pendulum all the way to one end for each brand. It's been a journey to make sure we learn and understand the best way to invest to support that fast-growing channel for us.
Susan Anderson
analystOkay. Great. And then maybe if we could shift over just to the cold/cough season, which has been a pretty slow start this year. Maybe if you could talk about what percent of your business is levered to the cold/cough season and how it's trended so far and then what you're expecting for the rest of the season?
Ron Lombardi
executiveSure. I'll let Phil give the cough/cold update for us.
Philip Terpolilli
executiveYes. So we talk about cough and cold representing a smaller percentage of our sales than other companies you may speak to out there, so representing, call it, 7% to 8% of our business. So certainly a sizable portion, but not as large as those others. To date, we've seen that soft cough/cold season that others have talked about. But because of the magnitude for us, it's a bit less of an impact. We expected that going into the year. And you really have to go back to kind of pre-COVID to set sort of an appropriate baseline around this category. We also have a business in Australia that has some exposure to the category. So we use that as a guidepost when we manage our year going into the next fiscal. So that's how we think about cough and cold. It's a smaller percentage of our business, as I mentioned, but nothing sort of out of line with what we've expected thus far.
Susan Anderson
analystOkay. Great. And then just in terms of inflation, we're finally seeing a lot of that inflation abate with the exception of a few areas, I guess. Maybe if you could talk about how that's -- how you see that impacting the P&L this year? And then also coupled with that, maybe pricing for this year? Is that changing how you think about pricing as well?
Christine Sacco
executiveSure. So I guess you can't talk about inflation without going back to the beginning of COVID, right, where we saw elevated levels of inflation. I'd like to remind people for us, the max year, the highest point was about $20 million of gross inflation to give you an order of magnitude when you hear other companies talking about much larger numbers, manageable. We talk about having leading brands in niche categories where we have pricing power. In many instances, exceptionally strong share of category, 50%, 60%. During those 3 years of COVID, we were able to offset inflation dollar for dollar with pricing and cost-saving efforts. So it dropped, so the bottom line impact was negated largely through our pricing power. How we think about it going forward? We largely get price through new product development, right, a new proposition to a consumer, which allows for a higher gross margin, generally speaking. We think we can take price probably more surgically, right, where there's inflationary pressures, but certainly not -- we're not in the period we were in a few years ago. So we think we're well positioned to take price should the need arise. But as we sit here today, it's largely labor for us, right? It's the conversion cost of making the product, and that's been around since we all started working.
Susan Anderson
analystGreat. And then maybe if you could talk about just trade down. So PBH as we talked about, plays in a lot of very niche OTC category. So it seems like it's pretty buffered to trade down, but how have you seen consumers react in past recessionary environments or in weaker economic environments? Right now, we're not in a recession, but there is a lot of inflation. So have you seen any trade down in the categories that you play in?
Ron Lombardi
executiveYes. And I think the best way to start with this topic is to talk about the user, right? We sell products that are in many categories with infrequent use. They're in the category once every year or 2 or 3. So it doesn't tend to be the place you go to the shelf and think about saving $1. You want to stick with the brand that you trust that worked for you last year. So trade down or trying something new or moving to private label isn't the kind of the shift that we would expect to see or, quite frankly, have seen over time as consumers have been pinched financially. But what we do see is people may look for different price value proposition where they shop. So if they were in a higher price channel, they may look to move to a lower price -- everyday low price kind of channel or go online to look for price transparency to understand the offering that's out there, different sizes, different kinds of product treatment across our portfolio and look for the price value proposition. So what we see is where consumers choose to buy our products shifts in response to inflationary pressure or a tough economy rather than what they buy.
Christine Sacco
executiveI would just -- on top of that just say that we're channel-agnostic from a margin perspective. So we just want the consumer to show up somewhere and buy our product. And so even when we saw a large jump, 1% of sales to 5% of sales overnight during COVID to online to Amazon, our margins held well and that's because we manage the portfolio and the product offering that way.
Susan Anderson
analystGreat. And then maybe if you could talk a little bit about the M&A environment and how you're thinking about M&A from just a brand standpoint, a category, size-wise, geography, if international -- if you guys would consider something internationally as well?
Ron Lombardi
executiveYes. Even though our capital allocation optionality and the availability of it has changed over the last 4 years, our approach and thought about it hasn't. We've got a very well-defined criteria that starts with evaluating for the long-term brand-building opportunity. So looking for brands that compete in categories that they can define that they can grow the category over the long term that isn't necessarily subject to disruption. No new technology is going to come in, no new player can decide to enter the category and disrupt what's going on. So that part of it hasn't changed. We look for consistent financial profiles that allow for meaningful investment in advertising and marketing new products over the long term. And then finally, the return on the invested capital. We look for returns that would be additive to our WACC, above our WACC and increase our ROIC over time. So that's really remained the same. We always say no deal is better than a bad deal. And that's the way that we think about it. We have other ways to return capital to the shareholders to create value for them.
Philip Terpolilli
executiveAnd Susan, just in terms of kind of where we look geographically, we have a platform in Australia under the Care Pharmaceutical banner that operates out of Sydney. We have the ability to acquire brands in that geography. Obviously, we're concentrated in North America today, but we look at brands and portfolios across both those geographies. And we actually have a small presence in Europe as well, the small office in the U.K., so we could potentially acquire brands there as well. And then I think the last part of your question is just around kind of cadence, what's out there. We've seen a very consistent pipeline of opportunities for really the last 2, 3, 4 years. So we think it's about finding the right opportunity, doing that well-defined criteria that Ron mentioned, bringing the M&A through that funnel and allocating capital to add value for shareholders.
Susan Anderson
analystOkay. Great. And do you guys think that the landscape has changed at all with the number of new companies we've seen either through spin-off such as Kenvue and Haleon, or the formation of Opella? Does that change anything, I guess, on that M&A landscape, whether it's more brands being available or more competition?
Ron Lombardi
executiveWhether they were part of big pharma or an independent company, they're essentially looking to do the same thing that they have been, which is look for opportunities to grow their businesses. And they've looked to do that historically by managing their portfolio, selling smaller brands that don't move the needle or acquiring something big and offloading some smaller brands and geographies or categories that they're not looking to focus on. So it really isn't changing, I think, the opportunity pipeline over time for us.
Susan Anderson
analystYes. Okay. Great. And then maybe if you could talk about your brand-building playbook and how this differentiates you from some of your competitors and especially like the large competitors like a P&G? What areas of the business you see opportunity to build out the brands further?
Ron Lombardi
executiveYes. So one of the questions we often get asked is what's our secret sauce to brand building compared to the big CPG or the big brand building companies that you hear out there. And I think the big difference of us is that we build out our marketing and brand building plans brand by brand. We get consumer insight. We understand the channel dynamics. We understand new product and innovation opportunities. We look to see where brands can expand into and we go from there. So that's the big difference for us. And as we look at our top 10 or so brands, which make up 75%, 80% of our revenue, that's where we look to concentrate our efforts and our focus to drive top line growth over time.
Susan Anderson
analystGreat. And then speaking of brand building, I think Hydralyte has been a very good example of how you use that playbook to really grow that brand in Australia. Maybe if you could talk about what you did with that brand to drive that growth.
Ron Lombardi
executiveSure. It's really a classic example of how we think about building the brand over the long term. So Hydralyte's roots go back to hydrating after vomiting and diarrhea and serious illness. That's where it started and got going from. And if we had blinders on and if that's the only way that we thought about Hydralyte, it would be a fraction of the size that it is today because there's only so many vomiting and diarrhea incidents that you need to be hydrated from. But the product is fantastic. It's efficacious and really can be used as part of your everyday hydration needs to promote good health and that's how we thought about it as. It's part of your everyday health routine. So we've expanded with new forms and flavors, expanded to add vitamins and other supplements into the formulation. We've launched some sports type product to better connect with consumers as they think about when they should hydrate. So whether they're just going out to do some gardening, whether they're recovering from a fun night out the night before or getting ready to run a marathon, Hydralyte is part of their thinking process to get hydrated. So we're still early in the journey. We're still at like 10% household penetration. So we have a long way to go to continue to grow that.
Susan Anderson
analystGreat. And then maybe we have time for one more question. Just wanted to drill down a little bit more on the international business, which a big portion of that is Hydralyte. I guess the question is how do you think about international longer term? Would you plan to expand with your existing brands? Also Phil, you talked a little bit about even maybe being open to acquiring new brands internationally.
Ron Lombardi
executiveSure. Maybe Chris can comment on that and also on the impact of FX for the international business.
Christine Sacco
executiveSure. So international is about 15% of our sales today. We talk about the long-term growth algorithm of top line growing 5-plus percent. In recent years, it's grown exponentially more than that. And we are still guiding this year to 5% on top of a few years of 20%, 30%, driven by Hydralyte, but a lot of other brands executing the playbook as well. Ron mentioned FX. For us as a company, again, 15% of our sales coming from international. When we think of sourcing, 15% being sourced outside of North America. I think our exposure is a lot more limited than some other folks that you may be hearing from. We're mostly exposed to the Australian and Canadian dollars. They've moved a bit. We would anticipate on our upcoming earnings call, updating our FX impact to the full year. But again, minimal in comparison to what you're hearing from other folks. But we do get asked the question a bit, so we just want to make sure we addressed it.
Susan Anderson
analystGreat. Well, thank you so much for joining us today. Thanks, everyone.
Ron Lombardi
executiveThanks, Susan. Thanks, everyone.
Christine Sacco
executiveThank you.
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