ProKidney Corp. (PROK) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

October 15, 2024

NASDAQ US conference_presentation 47 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#1

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to UBS Organ Restoration Day. My name is [ Eric Massanza ], and I am one of the SMID-cap biotech analysts here. We're very pleased to have Bruce Culleton from ProKidney with us this morning. And before we jump in, I'm just going to read a couple of our disclosures. For important disclosures, please see the UBS Research Disclosures website, ubs.com. And if you have any questions, please reach out to us or your UBS sales representative. So with that being said, Bruce, I'll turn it to you real quickly. Could you give us a brief introduction of ProKidney and your REACT technology?

Bruce Culleton

executive
#2

Sure. Well, I'll start with just a thank you for the invitation to join you today. And I'm delighted to be here, delighted to actually take your attendees through our company, our product and some of the evidence that we have and obviously, our path forward. So just a brief overview of our company. We're a publicly traded company on NASDAQ. We have about 200 employees -- full-time employees. Our offices are in North Carolina, in Raleigh and Winston-Salem -- our manufacturing facility is Winston-Salem. And we have an office in Boston where some of the executive team sits. We went public in mid-2022. Our primary asset has intellectual property that goes back for over a decade and is based upon well over a decade of preclinical work, but actually origination of the IP goes way back to some work that was done at Boston Children's Hospitals. Today, our asset is rilparencel. You may hear the term REACT. We are using term, primarily rilparencel. It's a product that's made from the patient's own kidney cells, and we generate -- we take a biopsy from patients, essentially transport that biopsy sample to our manufacturing facility and through a series of steps from digesting that sample to expanding it, putting it through a series of steps to select out the renal cells that we're primarily interested in. And after a harvest of those cells and formulation of those cells into our product, we cryopreserve it, ship it and back to the clinical study site. And at the study site, it's actually injected back into the outer lining of the patient's kidney or the kidney cortex.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#3

Perfect. And just now you described rilparencel as certain cell type that you had selected. How did you go about deciding which cell types to contribute and include? And how do they -- if you know, how do they each contribute to kidney function?

Bruce Culleton

executive
#4

Yes. So those cells -- the selection of those cells goes back to some really early preclinical work, which identified on a layer -- a series of layers of cells after digestion. And in some of this very early work, it was identified that a certain layer of those cells was more likely associated with improved outcomes in animals, improved kidney function and less inflammation on histology when you look at the animals' kidneys. So improved survival, improved kidney function and histology less inflammation. And so it's based upon that work, that the prior team involved, the scientists involved and the leaders of the team before ProKidney went public, actually said, "Okay, well, this is the product that we're going to focus on." And eventually, that product became a fresh product, a fresh manufactured product that was tested in early clinical studies. And over time, now we've gotten to a place where we have a cryopreserved product and that cryopreserved product is the product that's been tested in a Phase II study and is also now the same product that we're using moving forward in our Phase III program.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#5

Got it. So it sounds like you had a lot of supportive preclinical animal data that helped to develop this. I also understand that in second half of next year, in 2025, we'll be getting an update on the mechanism. What information should we expect to learn from this? And how do you see it helpful from a regulatory perspective?

Bruce Culleton

executive
#6

So I like to separate sort of as we talk about mechanism to sort of overlapping features or interest. So one is a regulatory piece and that's associated with primarily our CMC activities. This has a focus, not the only focus, but has a focus on potency assurance. The second is the biological mechanism. And so that biological mechanism is really trying to drive a better understanding of how actually does rilparencel work when it's injected into kidneys. This is of interest to regulators, but it's really not necessary for approval. And as you and your audience -- many of your audience may note today, there are lots of examples of drugs that have been approved by regulators without a really defined biological mechanism. But despite that history, we think this is a really important story to evolve. And we've got some new data that's being presented at the ASN this year that's talking a little bit about our product characteristics and the evolution of that story. I actually think that story is going to evolve over time. We'll definitely have some more data in the second half of next year, likely presenting that at the ASN again. That's sort of our target at this point in time. And I think that will help us sort of explain at least to the scientists that we work with and the physicians and the patients a better understanding of how this works when it's injected into kidneys. But I always consider this to be an evolving story that likely is going to be without an aha moment. It's not going to be one of those days where we wake up and we say, we've solved this. It's probably just a story that's going to evolve over time, and we'll have more of that data next year.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#7

Perfect. We'll be looking forward to seeing that for sure. So rilparencel technology described is being leveraged for diabetic chronic kidney disease. Could you tell us a bit more about the standard of care in that disease and how that might be evolving?

Bruce Culleton

executive
#8

Sure. Well, I mean if you're a patient today and you've got -- unfortunately, you have chronic kidney disease due to your diabetes, you are in a way better place today than you would have been 5 years ago with regards to your treatment options. And so there's been a real advance in care patients who have diabetic kidney disease, not just slowing progression, but also treating comorbidities. And some of the classes of drugs that are now available for patients include renin-angiotensin system inhibitors. They've been around for 15 to 20 years, and they were really the mainstay of treatment until 2021 when one of the first -- when the first SGLT2 inhibitor got approved in the U.S. for -- or at least got a label for a kidney indication, and that's expanded to other SGLT2 inhibitors. We have data from finerenone non-steroidal MRA, and now even more data on GLP-1s, all around their not just renal protection, but also cardiorenal protection, much broader. So if you're a patient, you've got diabetic kidney disease, clearly, you should be on one or some or both of -- one or many of these agents. The guidelines often are a little bit slow to evolve. The data comes first and then the guideline committees start coming out with their opinions, but there's a general feeling that we're now living within an era of 4 pillars of care and those 4 different agents that I just talked about, and that's great for patients. So what does that mean for us? I mean that's a question that pops up all the time. You've got this evolving landscape. What does that mean for a cell therapy company that's also in this space? We recognize that, a, these agents are either drugs or agents that patients can easily take at home, not as complex as what we have for ProKidney in our cell therapy. And so we're likely going to be sort of, after those agents are tried, we see ourselves in a position where the data will show. The data continues to show that some patients continue to progress. These 4 pillars of care are not a cure despite the advancements that have been made. Patients will continue to progress. And we see ourselves in that niche of patients have continued to progress, and now they're at a point where the providers are talking to them about needing dialysis or needing a transplant. And their GFR is often less than 30. So they've lost over 70% of their kidney function. And that's where we see -- should our Phase III program prove itself out, that's where we see as almost like a rescue therapy for those patients. And not only is that important for patients, but providers are telling us that they've got nothing else to offer those patients. So it meets the provider need too. I think it's really important for payers as well because payers want to keep people from preventing to go on to dialysis, and that's high cost for them. So it does meet the needs of not just patients but providers and payers as well. And we think there's a real unmet need for patients by focusing on that late-stage chronic kidney disease population.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#9

Got it. And you've previously presented some of this data in the CKD setting. I wanted to discuss briefly the Phase II trial, RMCL-002. For our audience, could you quickly go over that trial and the design and your insights from there?

Bruce Culleton

executive
#10

Yes, happy to. So the 002 study was a study that was conducted. I think it started in 2016 and the last patient last visit was at the end of 2023. It was conducted through COVID, right, which a lot of the data was collected actually during the COVID period and all the challenges that came with that. But in essence, it was a study that looked at patients with type 2 diabetes, the GFR between 20 mL and 50 mL per minute and those patients were randomized into 2 groups. And the first group was a group that after they had their kidney biopsy done, and the cells were made in our manufacturing facility they got injected. The product got shipped back to the site. It was a fresh product, not the frozen product that we're using now. It's a fresh product. It got shipped back to the site. And the initial injection went into the same kidney that was biopsied. And then 6 months later, a second injection was given in that same biopsy kidney. So that was group 1. And then group 2 was, if you got randomized to group 2, you essentially didn't get an injection. You've got a biopsy, you made your cells and you didn't get injected until a year later. And so that was a year of standard of care. All the sites, all the PIs, the investigators were told, "please treat your patients according to standard of care, good glycemic control, good blood pressure control, renin-angiotensin system management, treatment and there were primarily no SGLT2 inhibitors approved for kidney disease, but they were available for diabetic control." And so some patients got SGLT2 as part of that standard of care. So you had 2 groups and those 2 groups were essentially after treatment or deferred treatment. In the second group, after that 12 months, those patients ended up getting treated and then we followed them -- in the same way, and then we followed them over time. So Phase II study, here are the takeaways from my perspective, 2 big takeaways. So one is in the patients who were initially exposed to standard of care and then got treated, in that sort of that 12 months of standard of care, there was a decline in their kidney function. And what happened then after 12 months when those patients got injected, that decline in kidney function actually stabilized and it flattened out over the next 18 to 24 months. And so that was a signal to us in this population that there was a potential efficacy signal because we saw that layer decline and then a flattening of kidney function in those same patients. The other thing that perhaps had the most meaningful impact on us, and it certainly affected how we made a change to our Phase III program, was when we looked at those patients who had the highest risk of kidney failure. So their GFR was less than 30, and their UACR or their albumin excretion was greater than 300 milligrams per day. Highest risk of kidney failure generally accepted in the literature that these people are at the greatest risk. When we looked at those patients, what we saw was a real clear separation in patients who were treated with rilparencel versus patients who were not treated with rilparencel, sort of that active treatment versus deferred treatment. And then what we also saw, which was impressive was those patients who got deferred treatment standard of care initially, they lost about 6 mL per minute per year of kidney function a lot. And then when they got injected with rilparencel, we saw a real stabilization of their kidney function. So to us, that meant there's something that's working here. We've got some clinical data to support it. And so those were the 2 big takeaways from that Phase II study. And then I'll just skip forward. So that data -- we saw that data around this time last year. We presented it publicly, I think, around mid-November. We presented final data at a nephrology congress in Europe at the end of May. And we used that data to inform our Phase III program -- in our Phase III study, a study called 006. We used that data to narrow the inclusion criteria so that we're more focused on patients with advanced chronic kidney disease.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#11

Got it. So it sounds you saw an efficacy signal. It helped you hone in on a specific subset of patients that you think will have the most benefit. And you've helped use that information designed around your Phase III.

Bruce Culleton

executive
#12

You said it a lot more concisely than I did.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#13

One thing I do want to touch on that real quick. What did you learn on safety and tolerability from that trial?

Bruce Culleton

executive
#14

That's a great point. So, a, we didn't see any serious adverse events related to the drug itself, which was good. What we did see is we saw some serious adverse events related to either the biopsy or the injection. And that wasn't unexpected for us. You're putting a needle into a patient's kidney, someone with advanced kidney disease and whether it's a biopsy needle or an injection needle with the drug. And so even with the best training, you're going to see some events happen, mainly local hematomas or local bleeding events. What we did see was the rate of those events is very, very similar to what's been described for kidney biopsies in the literature. In fact, if you take a really critical look at our overall safety profile of all the patients that have been injected, of all the patients that have been biopsied, our serious adverse event rate is actually a little bit lower than what you'd expect based upon reports from the literature. And I think that just comes with patients who come in to studies are typically a little bit more stable than patients who aren't coming into studies and also the fact that we've got a training program that's wrapped around this. And so that training program, I think, also limits the serious adverse events.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#15

Got it. Very helpful. Separately, you had another Phase II trial, REGEN-007. Could you tell us a bit about that trial design and some of the interim data you presented on that?

Bruce Culleton

executive
#16

Yes, of course. So REGEN-007 is an interesting study for us because it's the -- it was the first time patients were exposed to our cryopreserved product, which is now being used in our Phase III program. And also the first time where we, as a company, but also the FDA got comfortable with injecting both kidneys because we had the safety data from our prior experience. And so now instead of just injecting the kidney that was biopsied in 007, we were injecting patients in the biopsied kidney when the product was available, and then in the contralateral kidney 3 months after the initial injection in the first kidney, not 6 months, but 3 months after. So cryopreserved product, and that treatment of injecting both kidneys. Now 007 type 1 and type 2 diabetic patients, so both type 1 and type 2. GFR was from 20 to 50. There was a cap on UACR of 5,000. And again, we learned something from 002. Patients who have like really substantial amounts of urine protein loss are less likely to benefit, I think, from almost any treatment. There's certainly a more challenging population. So we capped it at 5,000 milligrams per gram. And those patients were then randomized into 2 separate groups. And just to be clear, there was no control group. So this wasn't a randomized controlled trial. This was a randomized trial. And group 1 is a group that we've got most interest in because it's very similar to our Phase III study. Group 1, in essence, patients, if you get randomized to that group, you got a biopsy. We made a product, injected into the biopsied kidney, and 3 months later, we injected into the other kidney. It's a treatment paradigm, which is the same as our Phase III program. If you got randomized to the other group, you actually got a biopsy, and you've got a product made. That product was injected into your biopsied kidney, and then we waited. We waited for a trigger. And one of those triggers was either a decrease in GFR to a certain degree or an increase in UACR to a certain degree that was sustained and then you got a second injection. And so what I can tell you right now is that everyone's been enrolled. I think we enrolled 53 people. We presented interim data with a focus on group 1 because that mirrors our Phase III population, but really a focus on Group 1. And we really wanted to see what was the effect on eGFR after someone had been -- had gotten 2 injections and stayed on and had a follow-up for at least 12 months. We were really keen on seeing that follow-up for at least 12 months. So what we saw in Group 1 was in 13 patients, so we've talked about this before, we'd like to -- obviously, we're going to have bigger numbers next year. So this was an interim analysis. We had 13 patients. And what we saw was really a flattening of the EGFR. Again, no control group. So the EGFR change was preserved, we thought over the course of 18 months -- 15 months, over the course of 15 months, and we're still following those patients. But -- so we asked ourselves like, there's no control group here. What does this actually mean? So we tried our best to find a synthetic control group, an external control group that was outside of the study. So we worked with Dr. Nav Tangri, who's an expert in kidney failure risk prediction. He's a globally recognized expert, spends time on a lot of guideline groups, works with hospital systems and other companies. And so Nav was able to find us about 10 patients for every one patient in that group of 13 patients. And they were matched into a database that he had, which was a database involving patients who were previously recruited into SGLT2 inhibitor trials. And he came out with about 125 patients who are really well matched to those 13 patients. And what he saw was over the course of 12 months, those patients, as you'd expect, this high-risk population, they lost about 4 mL per kidney function, and our patients lost just under 1 mL for kidney function or there about. So we saw at least in a synthetic control group, it gave us even more confidence that we're seeing an efficacy signal with patients treated with rilparencel.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#17

Got you. And what are the safety and tolerability that you learned from that same interim data?

Bruce Culleton

executive
#18

Yes. I mean same thing, right? So same kind of picture that there were some SAEs related to small numbers related to the injection or the biopsy, but nothing related to the product itself.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#19

Got it. And what do you expect to see with the full data. And what's the benchmark for clinical efficacy there?

Bruce Culleton

executive
#20

Yes. I mean the full data, we expect will have full data in the first half of next year, latter part of the first half of next year. We're looking at eGFR and changing kidney function based upon eGFR. And my hope is that we continue to see a reasonably flat line with regards to change in kidney function. I don't expect an upswing, I'm also not expecting a precipitous decline. So I am looking for something that's hopefully around what you tend to see with just normal kidney function loss in patients that you get older, and that's around 1 mL per minute per year. That would be my hope.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#21

Got it. Got it. And so with all that being said, I know you briefly touched on the PROACT 1 Phase III trial and some of the trial design. But just a quick recap on what that looks like now, and what the endpoints you're looking at are?

Bruce Culleton

executive
#22

So that's, as you said, a Phase III study. It's focused on type 2 -- on patients with type 2 diabetes and eGFR between 20 and 35 mL per minute. So we really narrowed that eGFR range to patients with the most advanced kidney disease -- with more advanced kidney disease. And we're expecting the sites to follow standard of care before patients come into the study. The patients are then randomized to receive rilparencel or a sham/placebo, right? And I'll explain that in a little bit more detail. So the patient is blinded, principal investigator is blinded, the radiologist -- the interventional radiologist is not blinded. And if patients are randomized to rilparencel, we make the product after the biopsy when patients get injected twice in the same way that I just described for the 007 study. If you're randomized to sham or placebo, then it's really important that we try to protect that blind. So patients actually go to an interventional radiologist -- primarily an interventional radiologist, they get sham biopsy. So as far as the patients are concerned, there's a little nick in the skin, some pressure applied, procedure takes 20 to 30 minutes. So patients actually think they are a getting biopsy. There's -- and the patients leave, and they're monitored just as if you got a kidney biopsy. In 8 to 12 weeks, they come back, and they get a sham procedure. So this speaks to -- and I think in many ways, we've seen this in other disease states. It speaks to the power of placebo. And our regulators see the power of placebo, and that's why they want us to actually sham treat half of our randomized patients. And then just from an endpoint perspective, this is a time-to-event point study, and it's time-to-cardiovascular death, renal death, dialysis or transplant, or greater than 40% decline in eGFR. So those are accepted -- commonly accepted composite endpoints, and that's how the study is designed from an endpoint perspective, time-to-event point. So we anticipate we're going to need somewhere between 600 and 700 subjects enrolled. And our goal right now is 685. But again, it's time-to-event. So that might change based upon the events and the event rate that we actually see.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#23

Got it. And I guess just to quickly summarize all the learnings from the previous Phase II. There is the cryo product now versus the fresh product. You are now injecting both kidneys instead of this one, and the injections are 3 months apart instead of 6, correct?

Bruce Culleton

executive
#24

Correct. And we've narrowed the population, so that we've got patients with even more advanced kidney disease that are enrolling in the study.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#25

Got it. Perfect. Now with PROACT 1, as you touched on briefly, there were some protocol amendments. Could you explain what those changes were, and why they were made?

Bruce Culleton

executive
#26

So we made those changes in the first quarter of this year, and we submitted to the FDA, I think, in April and received IRB approval in March. And we actually enroll patients under this version of the protocol, starting in -- I think, it was starting in May or early June. And we continue to make some progress on enrollment. So the reason for the change was primarily around limiting that eGFR criteria, learning from our Phase II study, but we also took advantage of -- if we're going to go in and change the protocol, we took advantage of a lot of other things just to make the protocol easier, easier to understand, easier to execute, just some good house cleaning, I would say, that you normally do if you're going in and changing your protocol.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#27

Got it. I know you mentioned briefly, both in the press release and in today's call that the goal for the Phase III is disease stabilization. In this context, does that mean like 0 milliliters per minute lost annually? Is that the target?

Bruce Culleton

executive
#28

So no, the target is to keep people off dialysis, or to keep them alive without being on dialysis. So that's really the target of the study. Now the actual change in kidney function as measured by eGFR. That's a secondary end point. We will look at that, and we hope to see that we stabilize the kidney function. That doesn't mean 0, but it means doing a better job at preserving that kidney function for a longer period of time. And that might be a loss of 1 mL per minute per year, for example. But I think the more meaningful thing there would be if we could demonstrate that we can keep people off dialysis or alive longer and not end up on dialysis.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#29

Got you. Got you. So delaying dialysis and trying to keep that as long as possible. With that in mind, what kind of durability do you hope to see with the PROACT 1 results?

Bruce Culleton

executive
#30

Yes. So we're not changing the underlying cause of patients' kidney disease. So if you're a diabetic patient, and you've got, let's say, poorly controlled high blood pressure, we're fundamentally not changing that. So we don't think we're actually going to cure someone's kidney disease. But what we're hoping to see is that we see -- with our treatment, we see an effect that is 18 to 24 months in duration. And some patients may eventually -- we need to understand this, some patients may eventually need to get an additional dose down the road if we see a change in their kidney function. That's not part of the study. We're actually trying to understand in this study what the duration of treatment effect is.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#31

And I'm assuming there's going to be an open-label extension period after to just track patients going on?

Bruce Culleton

executive
#32

We don't have that built in yet, but that's certainly something that we can -- that we've been talking about, and we'll be engaging with the FDA on that to do something like that in the future, I hope.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#33

Got it. And how do you expect clinicians and patients to view these results? What are they normally looking for when they speak with their doctor?

Bruce Culleton

executive
#34

Well, I think -- so if you're a nephrologist -- I'm a nephrologist. I haven't been in practice for a while, but I certainly remember -- I remember seeing a lot of my patients with eGFR less than 30 and talking to them about the options, which are limited and typically involve what type of dialysis do you want to have? These are the benefits of different choices. Or do you have a relative who might be able to donate a kidney. So those are the discussions that make -- that will continue to happen, but we're hoping to limit those discussions by providing another option for -- providing another option for patients. And then from a patient perspective, I'm always a little bit hesitant to talk about how patients feel about things. But I would say -- because that lived experience is just so important, but I will say that an eGFR number is less meaningful to patients than avoiding dialysis. I mean balances itself has just an enormous impact on a patient's life. And it's not just the patient, but it's their caregivers, and it's their extended family, and it has implications on how they feel, what they do every day, can they continue to work, can they continue to study. Some families go bankrupt because of the co-pays. I mean it really does have a substantial significant impact on patients' lives, and we'd like to find -- we'd like to be part of that solution.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#35

So when might we get readout on this PROACT 1 trial? And what will be communicated when that data comes out?

Bruce Culleton

executive
#36

So we expect top line readout in 2027. That's what we're working on right now. And so that top line readout involves primarily the primary efficacy endpoint, which is the composite endpoint. And then that would form part of our overall submission to the FDA. We don't think -- as I think we've made public recently, we don't think we need 2 studies for approval. We feel very confident that one study with this composite endpoint is sufficient for traditional approval as a cell therapy. And we have ongoing discussions with the FDA on other options that we're entertaining as well that will probably communicated at some point later this year or early next year.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#37

Got it. So top line data in 2027. And just one quick question on that. Will there be any interim data?

Bruce Culleton

executive
#38

So not today. So based upon what we've communicated so far is that we're actually not doing an interim analysis for efficacy, and there's a reason for that. If you think about the composite endpoint, if we do an interim analysis on the composite endpoint, we actually do burn alpha, so that affects our overall alpha in the study. It also -- we'd have to do that interim efficacy analysis when we have at least some confidence that we'd see a differential effect of treatment versus placebo. And if our desired number of events, for example, I'll just round off -- our desired number of events for the effect that we expect would be an overall number of events of, let's say, 120 events in the study, we would want to do that interim analysis at 60 events or 70 events or 80 events. So having some degree of like comfort that if there is an effect, we're going to see it after those number of events. If you then ask yourself, "Okay, if we waited until 70 events, for example, where are we in a study execution perspective?" Well, by that point in time, we have enrolled everyone in the study, and we'd probably be 6 months away from having the total number of events that we would want to see. So just from a timing perspective and the office spend in doing the analysis, it just didn't make sense. So that's where we are today.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#39

And is the same true for a futility analysis?

Bruce Culleton

executive
#40

No, it's not, it's not really. I mean we could do a futility analysis earlier if we wanted to. But as you know, any time you do this, if you do a futility analysis even earlier, then you're risking walking away from a product that's potentially beneficial. And that's not something we want to do, just given what we've seen in our Phase II data.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#41

Got it. And you touched on this briefly, but I just want to get a little more context. So previously, you're running 2 Phase III trials, but you discontinued one of them. Can you compare the 2 Phase III trials, and how you came about the decision to discontinue?

Bruce Culleton

executive
#42

Sure. So I mean the 2 Phase III studies were actually very similar. The 006 study, which we're continuing is primarily conducted at U.S. sites, and the 016 study which we stopped was primarily being conducted outside the U.S. They were really similar. There were some minor differences in inclusion criteria. But honestly, for all intents and purposes, I'd say they were pretty similar. We decided to stop 016 and made that announcement, I think it was in August or early September. The reason why we made that, I'd say part of it is related to just a reset of the company. I mean, as you know, I started at ProKidney last year, started in the CEO seat in November. And we went through a lot of changes at the leadership level. We paused manufacturing to get us into a more GMP compliant position. We amended the clinical study protocol after we paused the clinical study. I think that positions us way better off in the future, and then the other big strategic decision was stopping 016. And that came about really around some internal discussions we had starting in April, May around. Okay, we have an RMAT designation. Are we really using it to its benefit? And it felt to me and some others that, "Look, we're really following more of a traditional path forward despite CBER shown to other companies a substantial degree of flexibility in how they think about clinical study design." So we talked to our regulatory team internally. Obviously, we're part of these discussions. We talked to some external experts. Personally, I talked to a lot of people, who have worked with CBER and talked to other external regulatory experts and really came to a lot of confidence in saying that we didn't need 2 studies. And so we ended up stopping 016 based upon that internal and external assessment and our knowledge of CBER and some of the decisions they've made over the last couple of years. And so that was obviously a big decision for us because it allowed us to focus on one study. It also saves us somewhere between $150 million and $175 million, which pushes out our cash runway into 2027. So that wasn't the purpose but that was a really nice side effect, if you like, of stopping the study. And then we've got engagements with the FDA, and we will communicate as appropriate, probably sometime this year on how those interactions are going with the FDA.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#43

Got it. So just to be super clear on our end, have you already heard regulatory feedback on this strategy?

Bruce Culleton

executive
#44

We haven't disclosed that yet, and we will communicate that sometime this year.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#45

Got it. And I guess, any other potential interactions with regulatory bodies going forward. One, should we expect communication? And two, if so, what channel should be potentially anticipate that through?

Bruce Culleton

executive
#46

Yes. I think we'll -- so first, I'll just take a step back. We do have the RMAT designation. And as you know, that RMAT designation does give us some benefits. It gives us an accelerated development and review process -- all the benefits essentially of the fast track approval process a priority review as well. But I think in some ways, even more importantly, it allows us to have ongoing collaborative interactions with the FDA and the review team. And so to me, that relationship that we developed, that collaboration we developed with the FDA review team is critical. And I can say that, that is positive, really positive, and we will interact with them around CMC moving forward into next year and some other things that we have planned around study design and study analysis and things like that.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#47

Got it. Got it. And you touched on the RMAT designation already. Another thing that you've mentioned is an accelerated approval approach for rilparencel. Could you tell us about your thoughts on that and what gives you confidence in this approach?

Bruce Culleton

executive
#48

Well, so all I'll say on that approach is that by having RMAT, it allows us to take advantage of an accelerated approval pathway. So right now, what we've communicated publicly as of today is that we're doing one study, and we think that one study, if our composite endpoint is positive, will allow us to get full approval. So that's what we -- that's where we are today. We are working with the FDA to determine what that accelerated pathway will look like? Nothing is shared today, but we'll share some things in the future.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#49

Okay. We will be anxiously awaiting to hear the update. So I guess, stepping back and looking a bit more broadly at other cell therapies and the regulatory experience there so far, we've seen other companies struggle with some CMC issues in the past, and you briefly touched on that with some of the mechanism discussion earlier. What strategies will ProKidney use to ensure there's no CMC or quality issues?

Bruce Culleton

executive
#50

Well, I think it's all around mitigating our risk. Like I don't think I can stand here and say, we're going to ensure that there's no issues, but I'll tell you some things that we've done. So we're being proactive. As you know, we stopped manufacturing last year. So we really moved our facility from operating like an R&D Phase II facility to really being GMP compliant from a Phase III program. And so that operational compliance is very close to commercial compliance from a GMP perspective. So we definitely use that pause to put us in a much better position from a GMP compliance perspective. And then more broadly speaking around CMC, obviously, the FDA is very interested in this for cell therapies and gene therapies, and we're learning with them. But to our advantage is they have put out a guidance document to help sponsors, right? So we definitely understand that guidance document. We have this collaboration with the FDA, and we'll be talking to them about our CMC plans in the new year in 2025. And we hired a new Head of Technical Operations 6 months ago. And Dr. Ulrich Ernst led technical operations at Iovance and took Iovance through their CMC -- complicated CMC process. So that means we have got that sort of that internal knowledge of a leader who's already done this. And even though that was a complicated process, second time around, and all the learnings that Ulrich had during that process, he brings to ProKidney.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#51

Got it. Got it. And I'm sure you'll have a lot of very helpful advice and tips going forward. So we're looking forward to having him on the team as well. Well, I guess just in our last few minutes here, as we come up to time, what catalysts can we expect over the next 12 to 18 months? And what should excite investors going forward for the rest of 2024 and 2025?

Bruce Culleton

executive
#52

So I mean, I think what we've said is evolving story of mechanism of action. Probably no aha moment, but we're going to keep telling that story and evolve that story. Final results of 007, our Phase II programs, that's coming up in -- that's coming up next year. And then obviously, if we have any regulatory update, then depending upon the importance of that update, that could also be seen as a catalyst.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#53

Got it. Well, thank you so much for taking time to walk us through the ProKidney story and share some of your previous data and experiences and some of the exciting catalysts coming up. Is there anything else that you think we should have touched on that we didn't?

Bruce Culleton

executive
#54

No. I mean, 45 minutes, I think this was a great Q&A. Thank you for the great questions. Also just being part of this event, Organ Restoration Day, I think that's what you're calling it. So just being part of this event today, thanks for the invitation.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#55

Absolutely. That's an exciting space, and we're very happy to have you.

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