PT Bank Danamon Indonesia Tbk (BDMN) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
October 27, 2022
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Yogi Zadian Arief
executiveGood afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. We would like to thank the respective investors and analysts. Thank you for your registration and joining the virtual analyst briefing of PT Bank Danamon Indonesia Tbk the 9 months financial results for fiscal year 2022. This event is virtually held using MS Teams meetings. And before we begin, I would like to emphasize on the following information. We encourage participants to join this event by using laptop and use a handset to optimize the audio quality. Please ensure that you are joining from a closed room and quiet environment with a stable Internet connection. And during the presentation session, please kindly put your phone in silent mode to avoid echo sound, and do not access the MS Teams link simultaneously in more than 1 device. [Operator Instructions]. Now the analyst briefing will start in a moment. Ladies and gentlemen, I would like to welcome you to Danamon's 9 months financial results for fiscal year 2022. My name is Yogi Zadian Arief. And today, I will once again be your host for today's briefing session. Already with us today joining from their respective locations, please allow me to welcome Danamon's Board of Directors and President Director of our subsidiary, Adira Finance. Now before you present the detailed 9 months financial results for fiscal year 2022. I would like to invite Bapak Yasushi Itagaki, as President Director of Danamon to deliver his remarks, highlighting the progress of our collaboration highlights. Pak Yas, the stage is yours.
Yasushi Itagaki
executiveThank you, Yogi. Very good evening, [Foreign Language], our valued investors and analysts. Thank you for joining us at the analyst briefing session. To begin with, I'm delighted to highlight that we continue on solid performance in the third quarter. Next page. The page changed?
Yogi Zadian Arief
executiveYes, just wait, Pak Yas.
Yasushi Itagaki
executiveSure.
Yogi Zadian Arief
executiveWe are having some glitch on our material sharing. Okay.
Yasushi Itagaki
executiveHas the page changed?
Yogi Zadian Arief
executiveStill in at the moment. Just wait, Yas.
Yasushi Itagaki
executiveOkay.
Yogi Zadian Arief
executiveI will let you know once it's back up again. Okay. So ladies and gentlemen, please just bear with us for a while. We're having trouble a little bit on our technology to share the material this way. Okay. Yas, I think we have solved the material. Now it's already up and running on the screen. So going to the next slide, please.
Yasushi Itagaki
executiveOkay.
Yogi Zadian Arief
executiveThank you, Pak Yas.
Yasushi Itagaki
executiveSorry for the inconvenience. Well, in this slide, I touch upon the synergies. Synergies with from MUFG collaboration continued to grow, as you see, as shown in the bar charts, we have accumulated more than 400 transactions. Synergy loans are reaching IDR 16.7 trillion and CASA reaching at IDR 5.1 trillion. I'll share a few -- just a few examples of these rising or growing synergies. First one is a real estate financing for Central Park Mall, as you know, a very successful shopping mall in Jakarta. It is one of our large ticket size refinancing transaction recently, where Danamon acted as a sole lender. The Central Park Mall is now jointly owned by y Hankyu Hanshin Properties -- Japanese properties and Agung Podomoro Land, the local partner. Danamon fully leveraged MUFG's relationship with Hankyu Hanshin in Japan and our relationship with Agung Podomoro to win the deal. Likewise, Japanese developers focus on Indonesia market and we are very confident to realize more transactions like this by collaborating with MUFG. Another example is financing of a partial loan to graph drivers. As part of our strategic alliance between MUFG and Danamon -- I mean, MUFG and Grab, Danamon has launched various financial products to Grab ecosystem. I mean users, merchants and drivers. We started providing personal loan to Grab drivers through a peer-to-peer lending company. As shown on the bottom part, the customer acquisition and transactions over our digital banking were continue to steadily increase. In Q3 this year, we kept growing our partnerships with digital players, which includes with Kulo Group, Kawan Lama Warna Mardhika and SNS. These partnerships are executing to benefit our customers while for us expanding our ecosystem reach. Next slide, please. Yes. Well, our collaboration journey with Adira Finance and MUFG on automotive ecosystem had marked another milestone. As one group last quarter, we were very active and engaged in various major events in line with our commitment in sustainability and financial inclusion. We supported the EV sustainable ecosystem and Nota Exhibition and Financial Export 2022. We just completed another live off-line event, the Indonesia 2023 Summit, last week. Taking rebuild the economy as a headline and having special coverage on automotive ecosystem or outlook, we believe the Summit provides valuable insights for our customers and our intention to be the most trusted financial group in automotive industry was well received. As a result, we -- the business synergies between Danamon and Adira is gaining traction and building positive momentum, as you see. Talking -- taking confidence and looking at the significant growth of these various figures, we believe our [ RE ] effort and our approach have a very promising potential going forward. Thank you very much. And let me now hand it over back to Yogi, please.
Yogi Zadian Arief
executiveThank you very much, Pak Yas. Now I shall move to the next agenda. It's time to listen to the presentation on 9 months financial results of fiscal year 2022. I would like to invite Bapak Muljono Tjandra, as Finance Director of Danamon to deliver his presentation. Pak Mul, the stage is yours.
Tjandra Muljono
executiveThank you, Yogi, and good afternoon to investors and analysts. So let me go through our 9-month result for the year. Next. So we see on a summary here, basically, our -- on loan, we see that our year-on-year total loan and trade finance grew by 8% year-on-year. Enterprise Banking and Consumer Banking portfolio grew by 16% and 11% year-on-year, respectively, supported by segmentation approach and collaboration with MUFG. Adira Finance new financing increased by 21% compared to the same period last year. So a very, very strong growth. Granular fundings, institutional approach and digital resulted in a 14% year-on-year growth on CASA. And our CASA ratio reached 64.2% in 9 months from 57.6% last year. And on the asset quality, our consolidated gross NPL percentage improved 40 basis points year-on-year to 2.7%. And our NPL coverage improved from 175% in the same period last year to 217%. Then our LAR percentage, this is include COVID restructure, which is still under forbearance, improved 460 basis points year-on-year to 14%. On the profitability, NIM improved by 32 basis points, driven by improvement in funding composition and cost of funds. Just now, we've seen that our CASA ratio improved from 57.6% to 64.2%. Well, obviously resulted in improvement in our cost of fund. Our NPAT increased by almost 80% year-on-year and reached IDR 2.5 trillion in 9 month 2022. Next, on the balance sheet highlights, basically, you'll see that our consol asset remained the same as last year, with a changed composition from government bonds to loans. So as I mentioned earlier, our total loan portfolio and trade finance increased by 8% year-on-year. From the funding side, the total remained the same as last year, but there is shift in composition from time deposit to CASA, which resulted in improving our CASA ratio to the 64.2%. Next, let me go through the detailed income statement. So you'll see that our operating income grew slightly compared to the same period last year, supported by growth in net interest income from the asset growth as well as improvement in cost of funds. OpEx increased by 7% year-on-year due to investment commitment to build our IT digital capabilities, marketing and branding. CoC improved by 37% year-on-year due to improvement in asset quality. And our operating profit grew by 55% and NPAT increased by 79% year-on-year to reach IDR 2.5 trillion in 9 months 2022. Next, I'll continue with the key financial ratio. So you see that our NIM year-on-year improved by 32 basis points, mainly supported by improvement in cost of funds. And compared to the same period last year, our CoC and risk-adjusted margin [ bettered ] by 152 basis points and 180 basis points, respectively. Cost-to-income ratio, I think we discussed just now, increased due to the investment commitment in IT, digital capabilities, marketing and branding. NPL consol gross at 2.7% or improved by 40 basis points compared to last year. And our loan loss coverage at 217%, improved by 14.8% last year -- compared to last year. And our loan loss coverage, our loan at risk coverage including COVID risk -- COVID at 41% or higher by 127 basis points compared to last year, and our CAR remained very strong at 26%. Next, I'll go through the details of our granular funding. So we see that we continue focusing on granular fundings. This can be seen from the funding structure on the bottom life tables, where we were able to grow our CASA 25% since September 2022 -- '20. And since then, our CASA ratio improved from 51.5% to 64.2%. On the liquidity, we have a very healthy liquidity supported by strong LCR and SFR. Next, on the capital. As I mentioned earlier, that consol CAR at 26.2% and stand-alone or bank only at 25.3%, far above the minimum requirement with almost 100% in the form of Tier 1 capital. Next, so we see that strong growth on the Enterprise Banking and Consumer Banking as we discussed earlier where Enterprise Banking able to book the 16% year-on-year and on consumer banking at 11%. Adira showing improvement despite the auto industry sales having stock problems. Next, our loan composition remained stable and diversified. Next, on the Adira Finance, new financing, we see that increase by 21% year-on-year. So basically, table on the right is showing the new financings quarter-by-quarter. And compared to the last year, we see that increase by 21% despite issue on the inventory. And Adira still able to book a 5% loan growth, mainly in 4-wheelers and multipurpose loans. Next, fee income is relatively stable, supported by double-digit growth in noncredit related fee. Next, on the asset quality, so as discussed earlier, our NPL ratio at 2.7% improved by 40 basis points compared to the same period last year. Special mention improved by 100 basis points to 8.5% or in amount improved by IDR 137 billion. And our coverage ratio increased from 175% last year to 217%. Next, our cost of credits improved by -- from 3.8% last year to 2.3% due to improvement on asset quality. LAR improved from IDR 18.7 trillion from IDR 23.1 trillion last year. And LAR, as a percentage to total loan improved from 18.8% to 14.2%. And further, our profit restructure under forbearance also decreased from IDR 7.5 trillion last year to IDR 3.9 trillion for the -- at the end of September. So this is all I have for the financial update. Now I -- back to you, Yogi. Thank you.
Yogi Zadian Arief
executiveThank you very much, Pak Mul. So ladies and gentlemen, our respective investors and analysts. Now it's the time for us to start the Q&A session.
Yogi Zadian Arief
executive[Operator Instructions]
Rajesh Ranganathan
analystThis is Rajesh from Doric Capital. Can I ask a question?
Yogi Zadian Arief
executiveYes, please. Thank you. Long time no see, but please yes, raise your questions, and please don't forget to mention to whom the question is addressed to, also.
Rajesh Ranganathan
analystYes. So actually, anyone from the team can answer this. So when we look at the Indonesian economy, it's been improving post-COVID and our growth rate is also stabilizing. Can you give a comment on when we can see sustained at least mid-teens sort of growth rate in loans that we used to have before? What needs to happen for that? And how are you preparing for that?
Yogi Zadian Arief
executiveOkay. Thank you very much for the question, Rajesh. May I ask for the response from Pak Honggo on these specific answers -- questions, on stable loan growth.
Honggo Kangmasto
executiveYes. Thank you very much, Rajesh. I sort of agree with you. If you look at this -- all the indicators of the economy are getting better and better, especially Indonesia get the affected of the mining sectors and some of the -- our trade balance are getting better and better. We, of course, will grow accordingly to the Indonesian growth, okay? For this year, we are looking at double digit. As you can see, all the numbers are in the corporate and commercial are in line with the economic growth. While in the consumer and Adira is slightly behind, not because of the demand, but because of the supply side also having some hiccup, right? So for next year, we are now preparing our budget planning. We are also -- I think we are usually the central banks [ BI ] will give us the guidance and then we are going to make our budget planning in line with whatever the government growth. I think we are optimist looking at the prospect, Rajesh. Thank you.
Yogi Zadian Arief
executiveThank you very much, Pak Honggo. So I also see questions already stated in the chat box. Thank you very much for your question, [ Sabrina from 3Mega ]. So the question is, are the banks looking on the cuts of inorganic growth opportunities going forward? May I ask for Pak Mul to respond on this question, Pak...
Tjandra Muljono
executiveSo thank you for the questions. I cannot remember the name, but from [3Mega ] Securities.
Yogi Zadian Arief
executiveFrom Sabrina, Pak Mul.
Tjandra Muljono
executiveSabrina, so thank you for the question. I think as part of our strategy, I think we are looking for the organic and inorganic growth. So you see that our capital is very strong. So we're really looking forward to how to improve our market share basically. So anything that's able to improve our performance, better market share. I think we are -- we will do that. We will look at it.
Yogi Zadian Arief
executiveOkay. Thank you very much, Pak Mul. So I'm now welcome for the next questions. [Operator Instructions]
Honggo Kangmasto
executiveThere is a question from 1 example, number one. Have somebody answered that? The consumers' outlook and the liquidity question -- liquidity going forward?
Yogi Zadian Arief
executiveYes. I didn't hear that point. Correct, Pak.
Honggo Kangmasto
executiveI think the questions have to be answered.
Yogi Zadian Arief
executiveYes. So Pak Hafid, may I ask your response to this, but let me just repeat the questions for everyone. So thank you very much, Yulinda Hartanto. First question is any guidance on direction for 2023 outlook? So let me -- I think Pak Honggo is pretty much covering this part on the previous response. Second question is, what are the sources of strong consumer loan growth? Maybe to supplement Pak Honggo's earlier comment. Pak Hafid, may I ask your help these questions?
Hafid Hadeli
executiveYes. The growth in consumer is predominantly driven by mortgage. So mortgage loan growth, double digit, 13% and it's affected in the disbursement. The disbursement of the mortgages compared to last year increased by 132% So more than double. So that's why the loan increased double digit.
Yogi Zadian Arief
executiveThank you for the response, Pak Hafid. Number three...
Honggo Kangmasto
executiveLet me take the third question, [ to answer ] number 3 about this [indiscernible]. So Yulinda, let me take you 1 step back before the COVID here. Before the COVID, if you look at the balance sheet of the Central Bank, if you look at the instrument monetary and the monetary instruments. The liquidity in the market approximately IDR 300 trillion to IDR 350 trillion. But during the COVID since the government kept pumping money, you can see on the tables in the monetary instrument, it goes up to IDR 800 trillion until IDR 850 trillion, if I'm not mistaken at one point of time, close to IDR 900 trillion. And then the -- in the anticipation of the inflation, right, the Central Bank start to increase the reserve requirement 3x. Then if you look at the table, the liquidity in the market is slightly going back to the right from IDR 450 trillion and IDR 500 trillion as today. If you look at the -- on the 26th of October, the total instrument -- monetary is IDR 540 trillion in the market. So if you ask me, I think the Central Bank has done a very good job. The liquidity is quite ample in the market. So we are confident. Thank you very much.
Yogi Zadian Arief
executiveThank you for the response, Pak Honggo. For Bu Yulin or Bu Sabrina, also Pak Rajesh, if you have any follow-up questions, please feel free to raise. But I also welcome to other analysts who are already joining the call to raise further questions as well.
Rajesh Ranganathan
analystRajesh here again. Just a quick question. Sabrina asked as well about the inorganic strategy. And we all know that there's been speculation about MUFG bidding for funding. And obviously, it has an impact on us. So would you be able to comment on that?
Yogi Zadian Arief
executiveThank you, Rajesh. Pak Yas or Pak Mul, do you want to have a response on this?
Yasushi Itagaki
executiveOkay. Let me take it. Well, I think we are always on the lookout on any growth opportunities, as Pak Mul mentioned. As sought by the Board, we are looking around growth opportunities in inorganic ways. But as to the point of your question, we are, at this point, not able to mention on any speculative -- any speculation, okay? That's where we are. That's the best we can say. But of course, always we are very growth hungry in any manner. Thank you.
Rajesh Ranganathan
analystI understand. When you -- one of the things we've been speaking about in Danamon is that our capital levels are quite high. Obviously, if you make a large acquisition, that will get sorted out in some way. But in the event that it does not happen, you had a policy of, I think, at least 50% payout in terms of the DPS. Is that still something that we plan to continue because our earnings are going to be increasing very sharply. And therefore, this -- the dividend jump will also be very sharp in absolute terms. So are you comfortable doing that? Or are you going to be worried that in absolute terms, the dividend is jumping so much that you don't want to do 50% or we do stick with the 50%?
Yogi Zadian Arief
executiveThank you for the follow-up questions, Rajesh. I'm sure Pak Mul is willing to cover on this part, Pak?
Tjandra Muljono
executiveThank you, Yogi. I think, actually look at from the -- and thank you for the question. If you look at the Danamon history, we -- our dividend policy actually, we paid like 55% from our NPAT, except for the 2019, I guess, because of the sale of Adira Insurance. So I think so far we have not really reviewed that policy and we still look at the our result full year as well as the opportunity, as Pak Yas mentioned just now. So if you look at it both from the history, that's basically our dividend policy.
Rajesh Ranganathan
analystOkay. And final question before I go back into queue is, we've got the bond book, which obviously is getting impacted by the increasing interest rate, and we cover that in our other comprehensive income in our P&L. But in terms of how we actually manage it, are we -- are these held to maturity? What is the duration of the book? What is the yield on the book?
Yogi Zadian Arief
executiveThank you for the follow-up again, Rajesh. I'm afraid, Pak Mul, I need your thoughts on this also again. Thank you.
Tjandra Muljono
executiveSo basically, we -- first, we don't have a significant government bond from our balance sheet. Actually, the number has been reduced significantly because we were able to take some opportunity last year as well as in the first quarter of 2022, actually. And a lot of those are basically in the EFS books, very small amount in further trading book, if you like.
Yogi Zadian Arief
executiveThank you, Pak Mul.
Tjandra Muljono
executiveAnd the duration, I think it's only sort pretty maximum about like 2 to 2.5 years, if you like.
Rajesh Ranganathan
analystIf I look at least your first half, that is the first 6 months, I haven't yet studied your 9-month result. But if you look at your first 6 months, you -- there's a significant impact in the other comprehensive income of the mark-to-market in bonds. So can you comment on that?
Tjandra Muljono
executiveYes. That's basically the result from the result of [indiscernible] basically. But as I mentioned here, if you compare to last year or the year before actually the amount is significantly higher, and we were able to take some advantage from the last year as well as the first quarter of this year. But if you look at the number, it's not that significant. I think it's about like yes, [ 4.50 ]. Yes.
Honggo Kangmasto
executiveSo Pak Mul, can I add something to Rajesh?
Tjandra Muljono
executiveYou can, please. Please, Honggo. Yes.
Honggo Kangmasto
executiveSo Rajesh, thank you for the questions. I think if you look at the published number from month to month, you can see that we are anticipating the trend that we're reducing our portfolio from I think 30% of portfolio is already reduced between -- from 30-something to 20-something. And then the duration, I think, is around 2.2-something years. So we are pretty much okay, I think, to manage the portfolio.
Yogi Zadian Arief
executiveThank you for the supplement, Pak Honggo. So we are now open again for the next questions from the analysts and investors. Okay, so let me just wait for another 1 or 2 minutes, just in case there is any additional questions or even follow-up questions from the analysts. If there is none in the next 1 or 2 minutes, probably, we will close the session for today.
Rajesh Ranganathan
analystSorry, since there's nobody asking a question, I thought I'll use the time a little bit, Rajesh, here.
Yogi Zadian Arief
executivePlease, more than happy, Rajesh.
Rajesh Ranganathan
analystSo you -- if I look at your credit card sequentially and also the asset quality sequentially, it's stable, but actually worsened very slightly. Is that seasonality or are you seeing any particular -- that you're taking more risk, therefore, is happening? What is the reason for that?
Yogi Zadian Arief
executiveSure. Thanks, Rajesh. So specific to this question, may I ask for the response from Pak Dadi?
Dadi Budiana
executiveYes, sure. Thank you, Yogi. Thank you, Rajesh, for the question. Actually, I suppose you're looking at the quarter-to-quarter movements from the third quarter '21 to this current third quarter '22, right? So I wonder...
Yogi Zadian Arief
executiveJune quarter '22 to September quarter '22.
Dadi Budiana
executiveAll right. And in that case, I actually wonder why you have an impression that our indicators, asset quality indicators are actually worsening because the way we look at it, we don't actually see that happening at least between -- in the last 1 year. If anything, I think the most comprehensive indicator on the asset quality that we can see, keeping in mind of the COVID restructuring portfolio, I think that the single most telling indicator that you can see is actually LAR, right, loan at risk because it captures everything from NPL, special mention. And also including all the restructured accounts, including the COVID restructured accounts that continue to be kept at collectibility one. So based on that, that is actually reducing, right? And all the other indicators are also improving both quarter-on-quarter, year-on-year. So I actually wonder if you can help me to point out where you actually see a worsening actually.
Rajesh Ranganathan
analystActually, as I said, it's stable. But if I look at the June '22 to September '22 in your presentation, you can see in the slide, there's like a 20 basis points increase in the -- what do you call as the NPL ratio. And you're right, though, that the LAR did fall, but if you look at the -- spent I think from -- I don't remember the number, I remember is 20 basis points increase. So that was the only thing. But I can't see the slide right now because I don't have it in front of me.
Dadi Budiana
executiveYogi, can you probably show any slide that shows that because I can't actually -- sorry, Rajesh.
Rajesh Ranganathan
analystSure, Dadi. Let me pull up the screen. Just one second.
Dadi Budiana
executiveYes. Any indicator be it NPL or anything where we are worsening by about 20 basis points. So yes, let's see. Is there anything, Yogi?
Yogi Zadian Arief
executiveYes. It's already up. So Rajesh, can you point it out back again, which specific indicators that you're referring to?
Tjandra Muljono
executiveI think it's in Page 8, Yogi.
Yogi Zadian Arief
executiveOkay. It's on the CoC, maybe, Pak Dadi.
Dadi Budiana
executiveOkay. On CoC? Yes. So basically, on CoC, it is indeed fluctuating from month to month as we actually see the needs to provide more in a certain month than others. But at any rate, our CoC would actually be very much be stable. In previous quarters, I've actually mentioned where it should be going, which is in line with our long-term CoC level. So if you have watched us for a long time, you will see that our CoC in normal years would run anywhere between 2.5% to 3%. So this year, it will -- and of course, in the previous years, right, 2020, 2021 because of the pandemic, it has shown up higher than 3%, which is due to the abnormality, right, arising from the dynamic. For this year, we believe it will -- it is actually returning to the normal level. And of course, 2.5% to 3% is a wide range. And it is -- it should be closer to the lower bound, which is lower boundary, which is 2.5%. So it does fluctuate from month-to-month, quarter-on-quarter, right? But all in all, during the year, it should be closer to the normal boundary of 2.5%. Thank you, Rajesh.
Yogi Zadian Arief
executiveOkay. Thanks for the explanations, Pak Dadi. So any further questions from the analysts and investors? Okay. So I guess we are about to end the Q&A sessions. Again, Rajesh, Yulinda and Sabrina, thank you very much for your valuable questions. So ladies and gentlemen, the respective investors and analysts, once again, thank you for taking part in the PT Bank Danamon Indonesia Tbk 9 months financial results for fiscal year 2022. Should you have any questions and interest, please do not hesitate to reach us through our Investor Relations mailbox at investor.relations@danamon.co.id. Stay safe, stay healthy, see you at the next Danamon corporate event. Bye.
Honggo Kangmasto
executiveThank you. Thank you, everyone.
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