Pyxus International, Inc. (PYYX) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

August 16, 2021

OTC Pink Market US Consumer Staples Tobacco earnings 54 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to today's Pyxus International, Inc. Q1 2022 Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this call is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference call, Joel Thomas, Chief Financial Officer. Mr. Thomas, you may begin your conference.

Joel Thomas

executive
#2

Thank you, David. With me this evening is Pieter Sikkel, our President and CEO. Before we begin discussing our financial results, I would like to cover a few points. You may hear statements during the course of this call that express a belief, expectation or intention as well as those that are not historical fact. These statements are forward-looking and involve a number of risks and uncertainties that may cause actual events and results to differ materially from these forward-looking statements. These risks and other uncertainties are described in detail, along with other risks and uncertainties in our filings with the SEC, including our most recent Form 10-K. We do not undertake to update any forward-looking statements made on this conference call to reflect any changes in management's expectations or any change in assumptions or circumstances on which these statements are based. Included in our call today may be discussion of non-GAAP financial measurements, including earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization, commonly referred to as EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA, that are not measures of results of operations under generally accepted accounting principles in the United States and should not be considered as an alternative to U.S. GAAP measurements. A table, including a reconciliation of and other disclosures regarding these non-GAAP financial measures is available on our website at www.pyxus.com. Note that in connection with the emergence from Chapter 11 cases, Pyxus is qualified for fresh start reporting as detailed in our most recent Form 10-K report filed with the SEC. And due to the application of fresh start reporting, the preemergence and post-emergence periods may not be comparable. Any replay, rebroadcast, transcript or other reproduction of this conference call, other than the replay as provided by Pyxus International, has not been authorized and is strictly prohibited. Investors should be aware that any unauthorized reproduction of this conference call may not be an accurate reflection of its contents. Now I'll hand the call over to Pieter.

J. Sikkel

executive
#3

Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us this evening. Fiscal year '22 is progressing nicely and is in line with our expectations thus far. In the first quarter, we began to catch up from prior period shipping delays driven by the pandemic and timing of customer shipping instructions. With regards to COVID, we are continuing to monitor the impact of the pandemic on our company and workforce, and we will adjust our operations as needed to protect the health and safety of our employees while maintaining business continuity. Proactive management of shipping, logistics, including container availability and freight costs, remains a high priority as we adapt to the evolving global shipping conditions. In the leaf business, our inventory levels are consistent with our expectations, and our uncommitted inventory decreased compared to the prior year. We continue to see customers look for ways to reduce complexity in their supply chains through partnerships with suppliers who support their ESG objectives. British American Tobacco's Indonesian subsidiary recently adopted a new leaf supply arrangement, which involves shifting contract volumes from its direct operations to one of our tobacco subsidiaries. Effective this crop season, we will begin processing the additional volume in our local facilities prior to its sell to BAT. This arrangement enhances the sustainability of not only our respective operations, but also the Indonesian tobacco market, thus supporting our mutual goal to enhance farmer livelihoods. We are pleased with the expansion of our relationship with BAT, and we are well positioned to capitalize on additional opportunities with our customers. With regards to e-liquids, we're excited to share that Bantam today received notification from the FDA that its nonflavored electronic nicotine delivery system products have moved into formal scientific review. Scientific review is the final step in the PMTA process prior to the FDA's decision to grant a marketing order and is a significant development, given FDA's growing enforcement against noncompliant brands. While the regulation and enforcement activities in the e-liquids industry are continuing to mature, we await our PMTA approval notification and look forward to the post-PMTA market opportunities. Momentum is building across the business as we leverage the savings from fiscal 2021 restructuring initiatives. We continue to expect fiscal '22 sales to be between $1.65 billion and $1.8 billion; SG&A expense to be between $140 million and $145 million, excluding nonrecurring items and potential changes in foreign currency exchange rate; and adjusted EBITDA to be between USD 150 million and USD 170 million. Our global team is committed to the strengthening of our business of making positive contributions to a sustainable world. With that, I'll turn it over to Joel to provide a financial update.

Joel Thomas

executive
#4

Thank you, Pieter. With regards to our first quarter results, sales and other operating revenues for the 3 months ended June 30, 2021, were $333.3 million, a 26.8% increase compared to the prior year. This increase was due to an 8.6% increase in leaf volume and a 17.4% increase in leaf average sales price. The 8.6% increase in leaf volume was primarily due to shipments delayed by the COVID-19 pandemic and customer shipping instructions from the fiscal year ended March 31, 2021, into the first quarter of the current fiscal year. This increase was partially offset by the deconsolidation of the Canadian cannabis subsidiaries in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2021 and lower leaf volume in Asia mainly due to shipments delayed by the COVID-19 pandemic and shipping container availability. The 17.4% increase in leaf average sales price was driven by product mix in Africa, Asia, Europe and North America having a higher concentration of lamina and was partially offset by product mix having a lower concentration of lamina in South America. Cost of goods and services sold for the 3 months ended June 30, 2021, was $291.2 million, a 19.7% increase compared to the prior year. This increase was mainly due to the increase in sales and other operating revenues and was partially offset by a write-down of industrial inventory last year. It was driven by a shift in expected future product mix in response to market supply conditions and continued market price compression. Gross profit as a percentage of sales increased to 12.6% for the 3 months ended June 30, 2021, from 7.5% compared to the prior year. This increase was attributable to the fiscal 2021 write-down of industrial hemp inventory and lower conversion costs in Africa and South America, and product mix in Africa, Asia and Europe having a higher concentration of lamina. This increase was partially offset by higher conversion costs in Asia, product mix having a lower concentration of lamina in South America and foreign exchange rates in Asia and Europe. SG&A expenses were $33.8 million, a 44.4% decrease compared to the prior year, primarily due to expenses included in SG&A in fiscal 2021 for last year's Chapter 11 case that were incurred prior to the commencement of the Chapter 11 proceeding, a deconsolidation of the Canadian cannabis subsidiaries in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2021 and savings from fiscal 2021 restructuring initiatives. SG&A expenses as a percent of sales decreased to 10.1% for the 3 months ended June 30, 2021, compared to 23.1% in the prior year, driven by increased sales and other operating revenues and the aforementioned decrease in SG&A expenses. Reorganization items of $26.9 million were incurred during the prior year as a result of the Chapter 11 cases. The company's liquidity requirements are affected by various factors, including crop seasonality; foreign currency and interest rates; green tobacco prices, customer mix, crop size and quality; and legal and professional costs. As of June 30, 2021, the company's available credit lines and cash totaled $314.4 million, including $224.5 million of availability under foreign seasonal lines of credit. In closing, we are excited about the future of our business. And on that note, operator, please open the line for questions.

Operator

operator
#5

[Operator Instructions] We'll take our first question from Craig Carlozzi with Longfellow.

Craig Carlozzi

analyst
#6

Hopefully, you can hear me. My question is surrounding the liquidity. It's obviously tight. It's tight year-over-year. I was hopeful you could walk us through how the back half unfolds. Given all the moving pieces, it's difficult to tell exactly when your peak working capital draw is. So any color you can give us on liquidity would be great.

Joel Thomas

executive
#7

Yes. So as we have mentioned before, I think our liquidity was in line with where we had anticipated at quarter end. And as we look at what happens through the remainder of the year, the first quarter is typically one of our smaller quarters, the smallest quarter of the year, and then we build as we go throughout the year with fourth quarter being our biggest quarter. And so we will see a build in our cash position. As we go out from this point, we will see working capital plateau somewhere out in our third fiscal quarter. And then you'll see the release of the working capital predominantly in the third and fourth quarter. So again, we're in line with where we had anticipated being. And with $314 million of liquidity at the end of June, we're in line with what we had anticipated.

Craig Carlozzi

analyst
#8

No, that's helpful. Would you -- is it correct then to say that Q3 liquidity will be higher versus Q2? I'm sorry, the 9/30 numbers, the next numbers we received will be an elevated liquidity level versus today? Is that -- did I understand that correctly or did I -- am I misreading that?

Joel Thomas

executive
#9

Yes, that's correct. And you'll see also our working capital building as we go through the second and third quarters -- fiscal quarters. So that would be the quarter ended September and the quarter ended December. Then when we get to the end of the year, that's -- that fourth quarter ended March 31, that's when you see the really big movement in sales typically in our fourth quarter, and this year should be in line with that.

Operator

operator
#10

Our next question is from Stan Manoukian with Independent Credit Research.

Stan Manoukian

analyst
#11

I have just a quick question. So based on your perception of the business and what you see in the market, are you guys back to the normal -- sort of normal course of business? Or there are still sort of some issues on the horizon that can inhibit your return to the normalized operations? And if they are, what kind of question -- what kind of issues do we have?

J. Sikkel

executive
#12

I think, Stan, we're having a strong year in terms of the macro volumes, sourcing of those volumes and customer orders. And we are almost through the catch up from the delays of last year, the overhang of shipments that we had coming out of quarter 4. In fact, I think the vast majority of those will be completed by the end of this week with the final shipments going out. The key for us now to really make the year is the logistics issues that the globe is facing for all products. So container costs are high. Container availability is low depending on where you're going point to point. And we're doing everything we possibly can to keep moving shipments going forward. But all in all, we're on track for a very nice year, and we believe we're building into fiscal '23 with an even stronger year as we look at our projections going forward.

Stan Manoukian

analyst
#13

Margin -- margins, what do you think about your margins at the end of the day? And this question is related to both -- both gross margins and EBITDA margins because, obviously, the cost of shipment and containers has been skyrocketing and I've noticed that your gross margin has been a little bit lower than normal. Is it just because of the product mix or this is something different?

J. Sikkel

executive
#14

I think the first quarter is not really a good quarter to project the margins for the rest of the year. You get a lot of -- some costs that are attributed to quarter 1 that you don't have in quarters going out. The vast majority of the shipping costs are borne by the customers and they -- most of our sales are FOB basis. So they bear the majority of those costs. It's only where we are buying product for value-added processes where we're affected to some extent by that. So we don't have a major cost coming out of that. But in general, we had a massive efficiency program last year. I think you'll see the benefits of that come through as we go through the year. We've got increased volumes running through fewer facilities. And as we go forward, that will continue to benefit the profitability of the business.

Stan Manoukian

analyst
#15

Yes. But what kind of visibility, realistically speaking, do you have today through the rest of the year? Do you have visibility about the volume? Or do you have visibility about the pricing?

J. Sikkel

executive
#16

We do. We've completed our purchase programs in South America. We're almost complete now in Africa. We're starting to buy the United States crop this week in the United States. So that's the one we don't have complete visibility to the final pricing and volumes there. A significant amount of pricing negotiations have been completed in both South America and Europe. We've got a significant amount of product in Asia that's really waiting for a shipment. It's one of the biggest areas of shipment delays. But -- so we have quite some visibility towards the rest of the year. What we don't have visibility to and where we have that portion is what happens in terms of container availability and relative, and what happens in terms of operational delays related to COVID-19. But all in all, I'm positive on this year. I'm excited about where we're going, and I'm excited about how, particularly our blue-chip customers, are growing their business with us.

Stan Manoukian

analyst
#17

I don't usually ask this question -- these kind of questions. But I'm really curious, do you expect the volume to exceed the one of 2019? Or you think that it will still be the -- because I want sort of to get a feeling about where you are entering, where the industry is kind of moving? I understand that the container is an issue -- the containers are an issue. But I'm mostly interested in the sort of revenue-driven question at this point. So do you believe that you can exceed volume-wise 2019 or it will still be...

J. Sikkel

executive
#18

We have not given -- we have not given guidance on volume, but we are seeing growth in our businesses in our various operations around the globe.

Stan Manoukian

analyst
#19

Well, good luck to you guys.

J. Sikkel

executive
#20

Thank you, Stan.

Operator

operator
#21

Our next question comes from Ann Gurkin with Davenport & Company.

Ann Gurkin

analyst
#22

I wanted to start with the gross margin. I thought that was a good number to start the year. And how should we think about that progressing? Should it strengthen? Can you get back to that 13%, 14% historic level?

J. Sikkel

executive
#23

I believe we can. Yes, Ann.

Ann Gurkin

analyst
#24

Okay. Great. And then I was curious about the business you picked up from BAT. Is that business getting sourced from their operations in Brazil Souza Cruz? Or is this a change -- BAT historically sourced and processed the majority of their leaf needs. So is this a change in their strategy? Is there more business that you can go after? Can you just help me understand what's going on there?

J. Sikkel

executive
#25

This one is in Indonesia, Ann.

Ann Gurkin

analyst
#26

Indonesia, yes.

J. Sikkel

executive
#27

So yes, this is where we are taking over the domestic sourcing -- domestic sourcing of various product from contracted farmers. So we've novated those farmers across. We're doing the purchasing, processing and shipment and sales to BAT. So -- and that will all come through our factory -- processing factory there. So it's a nice business for us. I think it really combines the aspirations of both companies in terms of reducing complexity, farmer sustainability, all the ESG commitments that we make, and I think very, very positive. This is something we've been talking about for some time that we foresaw would happen in -- in global markets as we went forward. And I think this is something that we can continue to progress in different operations around -- and different sourcing countries around the world.

Ann Gurkin

analyst
#28

So do you think it could progress to Brazil?

J. Sikkel

executive
#29

I'm not going to make comments about other origins. Obviously, these are -- when both companies are ready to announce something, we'll announce something about different operations around the globe.

Ann Gurkin

analyst
#30

Okay. Great. And then when you put out your guidance on the fourth quarter call, did that include this incremental business from BAT?

J. Sikkel

executive
#31

No, it did not.

Ann Gurkin

analyst
#32

Did it include the shipment timing from Q4 into Q1?

J. Sikkel

executive
#33

It certainly -- we were -- we did have -- we didn't have the year normalized in terms of the expectations of shipment for this year. We still had COVID delays built into the year.

Ann Gurkin

analyst
#34

Into the year. You had delays from Q4 coming into fiscal '22 on outlook?

J. Sikkel

executive
#35

We had Q4 into '22...

Ann Gurkin

analyst
#36

I'm curious what that Q4...

J. Sikkel

executive
#37

That's Q4 '21 into '22 and that, we've recovered in the first 2 quarters or we'll do. And then we have overhangs from fiscal '22 into fiscal '23 potentially as well. Yes.

Ann Gurkin

analyst
#38

Okay. Okay. Great. And then what is the CapEx for the year? I'm sorry, I couldn't find that. I apologize.

J. Sikkel

executive
#39

I'm not sure we...

Joel Thomas

executive
#40

Yes. It will be in sort of in our normal range that we've put out there before sort of in that 15% to 25% range depending on certain projects. So -- but mainly, it's sort of still the same.

Ann Gurkin

analyst
#41

Does that -- does that include investments to absorb this additional BAT business?

Joel Thomas

executive
#42

There will be some -- from this CapEx. So...

J. Sikkel

executive
#43

And there's a little bit of working capital, obviously, involved in that. But yes, it's nothing that we need to disclose.

Ann Gurkin

analyst
#44

Okay. And then it looks like your long-term debt went up from Q4 to Q1. What is behind that increase? You're up over $1 billion now. What is behind that increase?

Joel Thomas

executive
#45

Yes. It's just the timing of some additional capital that we brought in and the additional $120 million and that's laid out in our debt footnote. But it's -- it will be used across this year, and then we'll probably come back out. So we're actually looking to try to start the repayment on that sometime during the course of this fiscal year.

Ann Gurkin

analyst
#46

You'll pay that through improvement in working capital or asset sales or cash flow generation? How -- how we get that debt back?

Joel Thomas

executive
#47

Yes. Yes, it's primarily working capital. Remember, we had some overhang at the end of '21 and then also some opportunities to buy some additional tobacco. So those all kind of came together, and that's the genesis for the additional loans that we've utilized.

Ann Gurkin

analyst
#48

Okay. I was so excited to see it under $1 billion. I was afraid it's going to start creeping back up. That's why I'm asking about that. Okay.

Joel Thomas

executive
#49

No, no.

Ann Gurkin

analyst
#50

And then my last question is just kind of longer term, as you think to manage the business, how are you navigating what looks like a changing customer environment as they focus on noncombustible products, heat-not-burn technologies, vaping products, vapor products? How are you thinking about the positioning of your business in terms of serving the customers on the leaf side and opportunities maybe to pick up business on the noncombustible side?

J. Sikkel

executive
#51

Well, I mean there is a multipronged answer to that. Obviously, we supply for a multitude of our customers' products, including the heat-not-burn products as well. I think this focus of the customers on next-generation products as well also helps in terms of how they look at their supply chains for traditional products. So there's significant opportunity, therefore, or obviously, share gains and similar situations to what we've just announced in Indonesia. We're also involved in e-liquids, as you know, and we're excited, actually, just during this call, we announced that we've moved to Stage 3 of our PMTA process for our Bantam products. So we're one of the few companies, particularly with the open tank e-liquid products to move to that stage. And obviously, a lot has to be completed by the FDA before September 9 because that's kind of the 1-year deadline. So we're excited to see what happens about that, and particularly hoping for additional enforcement in the market. But we have our own e-liquid products. We supply to blue chips. We supply to many different customers as part of their supply chain. So we've got B2B and B2C. And we're seeing significant potential with science, with partnerships that we've established to continue to grow that business as well. So we're -- from leaf through e-liquid through heat-not-burn through various other supply chain projects that we have with our customers, we're -- we see we've got good coverage and significant opportunity.

Operator

operator
#52

Our next question comes from Ian Parkinson with Polygon.

Ian Parkinson

analyst
#53

Two questions. So one of them is Indonesia. Can you comment on the magnitude of that in-sourcing deal with BAT? And then the second question is, if you look at the nontobacco division, and the -- I think the gross margin there is negative and the overall results -- and even more focus at the SG&A. My understanding had been that the nontobacco division have been roughly breakeven. So can you just comment on what you're expecting for the full year from that part of the business.

J. Sikkel

executive
#54

Yes. I think the Indonesia, we haven't given specific guidance for that particular operation, but it will be accretive this year, and it will be more -- even more significant next year as we get through the shipping cycles from that operation, but we're excited about it.

Joel Thomas

executive
#55

And Ian, on the second question, a couple of things. One, in that other segment, you don't have included in those results through operating income and then the breakout for that other products and services segment, you don't have a Purilum included in those numbers. So Purilum is not there, it's in equity pickup. So you always got to factor that into looking at that. Additionally, there was a small LCM related to hemp included in that cost of goods sold number, about $1.5 million increase related to that. And then lastly, just some overhang as we've worked to continue to come out of the hemp CBD business. And so that will hopefully get cleaned up -- cured during the mid part of the year. So at any rate, those are the pieces that you see there. And then Pieter talked some about the great news on PMTAs and the way that, that should over time be helping the top line and profitability related to that segment as well. So a lot of things happening simultaneously there.

Ian Parkinson

analyst
#56

Okay. So when we're thinking about the annualized -- if we have some more of those stuff washing through, what do you think is the annualized run rate for the nontobacco side?

Joel Thomas

executive
#57

Yes. So we've not provided any guidance with regards to that. But again, we see a lot of positive things happening right now. And some of the costs that we've experienced in the first quarter should be coming in further as we get into the second, third and fourth quarters as the top line should be building over time as well.

Ian Parkinson

analyst
#58

Okay. And then last one, I think for Q1, you gave some quantification of the sales that moved from Q4 of last year into Q1. There's a comment that some sales slipped from Q1 into Q2, but you don't provide any indication of magnitude. Is that $10 million of sales that you think slipped? Or is it $30 million of sales? Just help us think about this?

J. Sikkel

executive
#59

About a little bit less than half shipped in quarter 1, and the remainder in quarter 2.

Ian Parkinson

analyst
#60

Right. How should I interpret the -- if no sales had slipped from Q1 into Q2, how much higher would Q1 sales have been?

Joel Thomas

executive
#61

Yes. I don't know that we're so much focused on -- Q1 is historically a fairly small quarter. And Q2, we have a lot occurring right now related to the sales from 2021 that moved into 2022. And we have the COVID overhang roughly $77 million that occurred in the -- in the first quarter. And so the remainder should be out in primarily the second quarter, that could be a little bit drifting into the third quarter. But generally speaking, that last, call it, just over $100 million should be coming through as we look at the second, and maybe a little bit in the third quarter.

Ian Parkinson

analyst
#62

Got you. Okay. Pleasing progress. So congratulations, guys.

Joel Thomas

executive
#63

Thank you, Ian.

J. Sikkel

executive
#64

Thank you.

Operator

operator
#65

Our next question comes from Jeff Rosenkranz with Shelton Capital Management.

Jeffrey Rosenkranz

analyst
#66

So first question for your annual EBITDA guidance, $150 million to $170 million, what would that correspond to on a leaf EBITDA basis?

Joel Thomas

executive
#67

Yes. We've not provided separate guidance related to the various segments. That's -- we provided consolidated guidance basically.

Jeffrey Rosenkranz

analyst
#68

Okay. Suffice it to say, it would be higher than the $150 million to $170 million for leaf only?

Joel Thomas

executive
#69

Leaf is performing very well. And as Pieter laid out a little while ago, we believe '22 is a stepping stone into '23, where we're anticipating improved performance over '22. We'll talk more about that when we get to the end of '22. But right now, we're watching leaf come back and come back pretty strong. So...

Jeffrey Rosenkranz

analyst
#70

Right. No, I appreciate -- I guess, I meant for fiscal '21 -- for the current fiscal year, if the consolidated guidance is $150 million to $170 million, would leaf EBITDA in the current fiscal year be higher than $150 million to $170 million, given that there's a bit of drag from some of the noise in working off hemp and other -- some of the other drag from some of the other businesses.

Joel Thomas

executive
#71

Yes. Leaf is improving year-over-year pretty substantially from '21 to '22. Again, we anticipate improvements from '22 to '23. We've not provided separate guidance related to any of the segments.

Jeffrey Rosenkranz

analyst
#72

Okay...

Joel Thomas

executive
#73

But guidance on allocations of SG&A and other things that you would have to do if you were to provide segment guidance. So...

Jeffrey Rosenkranz

analyst
#74

Understood. Okay. And then to the point where you expect further improvement next fiscal year, is that even with the fact that you had some carryover from last fiscal year to the current fiscal year, so the current fiscal year is benefiting from that carryover, you're saying next fiscal year will be an improvement even above the current fiscal year that saw this carryover benefit?

Joel Thomas

executive
#75

Yes. We'll provide guidance for the next fiscal year when we get to the end of this fiscal year. And right now, we're just through the first quarter and in the middle of the second quarter, and we'll provide more definitive guidance once it's appropriate. But we see ourselves -- we see fiscal '22, the year that we're in right now, as a -- very much a rebuilding year. It's going well, and in line with our plan, and we see a lot of opportunities out on the horizon so.

Jeffrey Rosenkranz

analyst
#76

Okay. I appreciate that. Last question. Thank you for the explanation on the new financing that you put in place with your -- with a couple of your large shareholders. Do you see opportunities in either the short to medium -- or medium term to, let's say, optimize your capital structure and improve your borrowing relationships around the world or find new lenders in local markets, either soon or over time? Like, can you just shed any color on your efforts and goals to sort of improve and optimize your borrowings?

Joel Thomas

executive
#77

Yes. So first off, I think that the support that we had from our offshore lenders has been tremendous. And whether it was working through the restructuring and reorganization we did last year or putting the plan together and helping us to execute on it for this year, there's been great support. And I think we're very well positioned. As we think about optimizing the capital structure on a go-forward basis, one of the key points there is to execute on our plan for the full year, hit the credit metrics that we believe we're capable of hitting. And then those, obviously, can be used to look at ways that we can further enhance and strengthen the capital structure. So there are a lot of good things that have happened from last year to this year, and we think a lot of opportunities to see further strengthening as we look at the end of this year and going into next year. So we're excited about where we're sitting right now and the improvements we're seeing in the business, the way that those feed to the credit metrics and then our ability to go out and improve the capital structure further.

Operator

operator
#78

We'll take our next question from Andrew White with Nut Tree Capital.

Andrew White

analyst
#79

Just one for me. Your inventory level as of this most recent quarter, it's a little -- if you look at the dollars, it's -- it doesn't look high relative to history. I mean there's been periods where it's much higher, but I know there's, like, FX and there's prices, and so that might not be the right way to look at it. And so what I was trying to -- if you wouldn't mind commenting, is your inventory level right now high? Is it low? Is it normal? For this point in the year, I understand the seasonality, but just trying to think about, is there any extra capital tied up there? Or is it sort of where you think it should be?

Joel Thomas

executive
#80

Yes. We're actually sitting in a -- I think, in a very good position at $854 million, okay? That's up $21.8 million versus the prior year same period end, okay? And so you would expect that based on some of the dynamics that we've been working through. But I think of key important here is that if we look at uncommitted inventory, year-over-year, while we don't provide a specific number, but we have a range of $50 million to $150 million, we are in the lower 50% of our range at this point and are down pretty dramatically year-over-year, about $47 million. So we're sitting in a very good uncommitted inventory position right now, and I think in line with our expectations. So we feel very good about where we are and where we're going.

Andrew White

analyst
#81

Got it. So you don't -- it's not like you're sitting on tons of inventory right now, you're sort of in a normal inventory level where you want to be.

J. Sikkel

executive
#82

We're actually positive about where we are at this time of the year, particularly with the very low uncommitted levels. Right now, we're at -- the major part of this in order to make the year, we need that inventory. We need it committed. It's packed and ready to go and the main thing now is for us to get the logistics done to get it out to the customer so we can book it. So that's -- this whole year really falls down -- falls down, I didn't mean to say that negatively. It falls to us being able to get in this pandemic the product shipped to the customers. We've got one more major market to purchase the tobacco. We started this week. That's the U.S. We've got good indications for that. And we're looking forward to getting that product purchased and hopefully, on a vessel before the end of the year.

Joel Thomas

executive
#83

And again, record low uncommitted inventory right now.

J. Sikkel

executive
#84

It's actually key. That's the lowest I've seen it.

Andrew White

analyst
#85

Maybe I could just ask another one. As you think about your guidance and the scenario you envisioned, I think that the questions come up a few different ways of you got these opposing forces of there's volumes that we're supposed to ship last year move into this year, so that helps you, but you've got issues in Asia regarding shipments and freight availability and these types of things, which are negative. And so I guess, when you sort of add up the whole -- and I understand you like the momentum of the business and all that, but if you sort of add up the whole -- those conditions, would you say this is a -- they average out to be like generally better than average conditions for you in your earnings? Or are they net sort of a drag still because of this COVID stuff? Or how do you just think about the backdrop given all of this stuff together?

Joel Thomas

executive
#86

Yes. So I think it's -- general improvement is the overall theme, okay? And so there are still issues out there related to COVID and some of the carry-on effects that impacted transportation. But when you consider all of those, we think that we are in a better position this year than we were last year, and we are seeing improvements across the board related to timing of shipment, related to what customers are demanding. And so we're having to navigate through some of the challenges that have been existing, but we're seeing improvements along the way, okay? Given we -- it's -- something crazy happens related to some variant of COVID or whatever, that's sort of outside of what we're seeing right now. But generally speaking, things are improving, and we see '22 as a stepping stone to '23, and '22 is really building off of where we were in '21. So general gradual improvement and things are looking good.

Andrew White

analyst
#87

Yes. I think the question we're trying to get at is, like, are you overearning because there's a lot of last year's volumes in this year? But it sounds like you guys don't really want to answer that, which is, of course, your right to do so. That's all I had.

J. Sikkel

executive
#88

I don't think -- obviously, we don't give specific guidance on each component. What I can say is that in each of the core markets in which we are operating, we are seeing additional volumes that we've been able to purchase. We've seen some additional growth in the total volumes procured. We're seeing very strong customer demand. We have very little left in those markets still to sell. So it becomes a logistics issue for this year. At the same time, we're already in the planning stage and forecasting stage for next year in regards to customer demand, crop sizes that we're contracting and so on. So we can see steady progression in a positive direction. And the overhangs will come here and there on the logistics because of the -- because of the COVID-related transportation issues. But underlying all of that, we are definitely growing. And we're growing with a multitude of our customer base. We're taking new opportunities in terms of the reversal of vertical integration in Indonesia that we announced, and we see other opportunities for that as we go forward. So yes, underlying the noise of shipping delays and COVID and everything else, I will definitely say we are on a very positive trajectory.

Andrew White

analyst
#89

Have a good rest of your day, and good luck with the next quarter.

Joel Thomas

executive
#90

Thank you, Andrew.

Operator

operator
#91

We'll take our next question from Yasir Bari with Intermarket.

Yasir Bari

analyst
#92

So the first question, I think it's sort of been asked, but about the shipping situation on the deferred revenue that you had. It sounded like you got $77 million in Q1. And I just want to confirm, did you say that you -- you were confident that the rest of the $170 million or so would be realized or recognized in Q2?

Joel Thomas

executive
#93

Yes. So there was about $77 million, just over that, in Q1. And the remainder of that overhang, we anticipate coming through Q2, maybe a little bit in Q3. So just over $100 million still to go there.

J. Sikkel

executive
#94

But the -- is converting...

Yasir Bari

analyst
#95

And is that -- do you have such confidence because we're 45 days out of June 30 and you've kind of seen most of it come through? Or is it -- it's an expectation based on what you're seeing in terms of the shipping situation?

J. Sikkel

executive
#96

Like, we've seen the vessels leave -- the containers loaded and the vessels leave.

Yasir Bari

analyst
#97

Okay. Then just a couple of things to follow on from that. One, the -- we all hear these -- or see these headlines around Chinese ports shutting down. I think we saw one last week. Does that impact you?

J. Sikkel

executive
#98

Yes, there were some disruptions, both going in and out of China related to that, not so much on the way in. It delayed a few shipments by a couple of weeks, but it wasn't a big issue. Leaving China at the moment is very complex and very expensive at the moment. The country travel is severely restricted because of the Delta variant. But we've seen an uptick in shipments actually going out. We had a low point, but it has been picking up in recent weeks. So we're hoping that, that will continue. But while travel is restricted domestically within China, that can still play and cause issues related to shipments and particularly leaving the country.

Yasir Bari

analyst
#99

Okay. And when you think about your -- your business is somewhat seasonal in that there are just certain times of the year when you have more ships traveling, especially to China. When is the next time during the year that you -- that is important that the ships are moving? I guess, like, asked another way, if I told you that COVID was behind us in December, would you -- would everything go according to plan?

J. Sikkel

executive
#100

Yes, I wish. Yes, quarter 4 is always a big quarter for us. There's some big directional movements, particularly towards Asia from several of our markets. So that January to March time frame is very important for us. But these logistics issues are affecting the globe. It's not just going to Asia and back. Asia is obviously effectively problematic at the moment. But the number of -- as the shipping lines have seen this heightened demand, they've been moving vessels to more profitable routes. So if you can get $20,000 per container going from China to Europe or the United States, why would you have that container attracting $3,000 going from Africa to Europe or from Argentina to Europe and so on. So we've seen reduced sailings from other areas as well. We're managing through it, but it is extremely complex.

Yasir Bari

analyst
#101

Got it. Is it fair to say that between now and Q4 that the global supply chain, logistics, container issues are not a huge problem, given the seasonality of our business? Or is that not fair?

J. Sikkel

executive
#102

No. I mean I think we look at this every single day and every single week. That's probably the #1 risk that we face at the moment. The second one that I wake up about is whether a hurricane hits North Carolina in the next 1.5 months. But we are managing through it. I wouldn't actually say shipping conditions are worse this year than they were last year in terms of availability and cost. But I also can see solid progression from our teams in getting product out. One of the things we specifically did this year was open up all our facilities early in order to get the product purchased, processed and ready for shipment so we could take advantage of any spare vessel that we could -- and container that we could find. And we've had some success with that. But I don't see us not having this conversation regarding shipping through -- for another 12 months or so. And as everyone in the United States, if you -- if you want to order something for Christmas, you better have it ordered now because it won't arrive, if you don't have it on the way. It's a global problem for multiple industries.

Yasir Bari

analyst
#103

Yes. No, that's helpful. I guess somewhat related, you mentioned earlier, Pieter, that you could see some overhang into 2023 from '22. Is that something you have visibility on already for some reason? Or is that just you -- is that you guessing based on the shipping situation in the world?

J. Sikkel

executive
#104

I think when we looked at this financial year and when we looked at where we thought we would be, and we looked at the COVID situation at that time when we gave our guidance, we assume that not -- that global logistics would not return to normal in our fiscal '22. So we had -- we assumed, and I suspect that will -- potentially will happen that some of what, in a normal year without COVID, would go into quarter 4 may drop into quarter 1 next year. But that, at the moment, we have built into our forecast. That, we've got...

Yasir Bari

analyst
#105

Right. That's normal course, that's a normal course.

J. Sikkel

executive
#106

That's normal, yes, yes. But always, when you have such a big quarter 4, that is always a risk.

Yasir Bari

analyst
#107

Right. Okay. Just 2 more, I think one...

J. Sikkel

executive
#108

The underlying -- and let me say on the first that, again, that the business is strong. The orders are strong. The orders are high quality. We like where it's going.

Yasir Bari

analyst
#109

Got it. Two more. One is probably fairly easy. We hear just from the news that there's certain crop in Brazil that -- coffee, for example, was impacted by the freeze. The question is, is tobacco affected by any of this -- the extreme weather conditions in Brazil?

J. Sikkel

executive
#110

Yes. The coffee crop was actually hit 2 weeks before we had frost in the tobacco region. So actually, it was interesting. The northern part of Brazil was colder than the southern part. And we had time to prepare for -- with the farmers for potential frost that actually did occur in the South, but we had the farmers protect their seed beds and fields and we stopped planting. And so we have no abnormal damage from frost in Brazil.

Yasir Bari

analyst
#111

Got it. That's good to hear. And then the last question. I guess this is for Joel, and we can follow up off-line on this, too. But I'm trying to follow the cash from the delayed draw term loan and also kind of the leftover cash from the exit term loan. I'm trying to figure out where it sits in the balance sheet. Obviously, some of it was burned because of the FIGR business and the associated burn, maybe some related to bankruptcy fees, et cetera. But as I look at the balance sheet, I would say, okay, maybe there's a little bit sitting in inventory, but we talked about how inventory is not bloated, and it's not that much bigger relative to similar periods in the last couple of years. Then I look at notes payable, your foreign lines less the cash that you have in your balance sheet, and those are down, but just not that much either over the years in a similar time period. I'm just trying to -- I mean what am I missing in terms of where that -- where that working capital build or the -- or where that cash that went into the business sits?

Joel Thomas

executive
#112

Yes, sure. So again, if we're looking at trade receivables year-over-year, you've got about $38.8 million that receivables are up. if you're looking at your inventories, you're up about $21.8 million there. If you go down and look at your accounts payable, you're down probably $15 million there. And then, of course, you've got your notes payable to banks that are down as well year-over-year, same quarter end, about $120.5 million. And so you've got all those pieces kind of moving at the same time. But when you look at the pieces that I've just played out, that's really where the majority of the movements are, okay, versus the new debt and cash that we brought in.

Yasir Bari

analyst
#113

Got it. Okay. And then just -- just lastly, I think someone asked this question, but if you think about your inventory at $854 million versus last year at $832 million, are you holding a lot more kilos in that? I know you feel happy about your inventory position. Obviously, some of that inventory is still the $100 million of revenue that's supposed to come in Q2, right? That's the deferred component. Despite that, I guess, are you holding more inventories such that your dollar inventory looks small, but you actually got more kilos in there?

J. Sikkel

executive
#114

There are some more kilos in there. Yes.

Joel Thomas

executive
#115

Yes, there were a number of currencies that we're exposed to that appreciated year-over-year and then, the impact of that in inventory. As a result, yes, we have more kilos.

Operator

operator
#116

That concludes today's question-and-answer session. Mr. Thomas, at this time, I will turn the conference back to you for any additional or closing remarks.

Joel Thomas

executive
#117

David, thank you. Thank you for joining our call this evening. The call will remain available for playback for any interested persons through 8 p.m. on Saturday, August 21. Again, thank you for participating in our conference call.

Operator

operator
#118

This concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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