Qorvo, Inc. (QRVO) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
May 25, 2021
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
William Peterson
analystHi. Good morning. Welcome to JPMorgan's 49th Annual TMC Conference. My name is Bill Peterson. I work in the semiconductor research team. We're very pleased to have Mark Murphy, Qorvo's CFO; and James Klein, Qorvo's President of Infrastructure and Defense Products, or IDP group. We've asked the team to spend a few minutes providing a quick overview, and then I'll move on to the fireside chat with a number of questions. [Operator Instructions] and I'll do my best to incorporate them into the session. And with that, thanks for joining, guys. Over to you, Mark.
Mark Murphy
executiveAll right. Thank you, Bill. And thanks for the invitation to speak with you today. Before we begin, I do want to remind our audience that the safe harbor language that applies to our press releases also applies to today's presentation. About 3 weeks ago, Qorvo reported an exceptionally strong March quarter. Demand was broad-based across customers and driven by 5G smartphones and WiFi 6 and 6E. Design activity, both during the March quarter and since, has been robust supporting our view for durable, long-term growth in our markets. In smartphones, we currently forecast overall smartphone volume growth in calendar '21 between 5% and 10% and a doubling of 5G smartphones to around 550 million units. The added RF content in 5G phones is expected to be $5 to $7 per phone compared to 4G, including in the mid-tier. As happened in 4G, 5G architectures are increasing in complexity, and that's driving demand for more highly integrated and greater-value RF content. An example of this is the introduction of transmit in the diversity path. Growing complexity is a multiyear trend that expands our addressable markets and favors our product and technology portfolio. We see similar dynamics play out over multiple years in the markets served by IDP. Automotive OEMs are adopting state-of-the-art cellular and more connected cars. Cable operators are upgrading to DOCSIS 3.1 infrastructure The rollout of WiFi 6 is unfolding across enterprise, retail and service providers, and the allocation of new spectrum for WiFi 6E from 5.9 to 7.1 gigahertz is creating incremental opportunities. Consumer products, such as power tools and appliances, are transitioning to more energy-efficient, brushless DC electric motors, and compute and storage customers are transitioning to more responsive and reliable solid-state drives, both trends supported by our advanced power management solutions. Finally, 5G infrastructure deployments are growing more diverse by OEM and geography, supporting what should be a strong build-out over the next 3 to 5 years. The completion of the C-band auction in the U.S. is yet another example of things to come with the infrastructure build-out. Across our markets, Qorvo is in the early innings of multiyear technology upgrade cycles. We have a broad set of world-class technologies, and we are managing our portfolio to compete where customers place a premium on technology and performance. We are also investing in new technologies, including precision location ultra-wideband, RF-based technology testing and MEMS-based solutions. All of this supports a diverse set of opportunities for Qorvo that we see expanding over many years. And Bill, with that, I'll turn it back over to you for questions.
William Peterson
analystYes, Mark. As it's really top of mind for everybody is just the impacts of supply constraints. And it looks like the team is managing these fairly well. You do have silicon providers, but you also have internal capacity as well. But then there's also just, in the broader sense, maybe supply constraints that your customers may have from other component makers. So I guess how does the current supply constraints impact your current business? And how does it, I guess, impact your view on -- you gave a soft guidance for September. How does this all play in with the various supply constraints that exist throughout the ecosystem?
Mark Murphy
executiveSo the market remains tight, and we see pockets of -- some pockets are worse than others. Yes, silicon laminates, capacitors, those sort of things are sporadically tight. We remain in a supply-constrained environment. So the demand outlook, both near term, medium term and longer term, is good. Yes, we continue to work with our customers, supply chain partners. I'd say, even though it's difficult, it's a very constructive environment, and we're working to obviously make our customers as successful as possible. Maybe just to talk a bit about how this is playing out in our own business. Our own inventories remain at historically low levels. We just released the K yesterday. You'll see our finished goods are very low, and our turns remain historically high. The channel is as healthy as I've ever seen it, I guess, to the point of being unhealthy. I mean we're talking days in the channel rather than weeks or months, so it's very tight there. I'd say another interesting data point -- and I think this maybe addresses the question some people have sometimes about double ordering. I heard one company characterize it well as, certainly, customers are trying to get the product they need. I wouldn't call it double ordering. They certainly -- there certainly isn't any double fulfillment, and customers are paying expedite fees. So if there was any excess inventory in the channel or in their hands, they wouldn't be paying expedite to get products. So we think that the -- yes, the demand environment is good. Our bookings are as strong as they've ever been for this time of year. Yes, we gave our full year guide recently, and most of that guide is already booked. We're getting some orders even into next year so -- into next fiscal year. So our quarter remains firm, consistent with our guide. And we have no update to our full year outlook as well, remains very positive.
William Peterson
analystNo, that's really constructive. And that kind of addresses -- there has been some, I guess, rumors or chatter about order cuts in the Android space, and you -- I mean, it pretty much sounds like you're still seeing your business very strong and you just mentioned bookings through the year. So it doesn't appear that you're impacted by that, if there is such a thing. Is that a fair assessment?
Mark Murphy
executiveYes. Bill, it's a good question. There was a Chinese sell-through report, I think it was last week or the week before, that was maybe a bit short of expectations. I saw somebody updated the -- their smartphone units number for calendar '21, revised it down to 5%. We still believe the market is going to grow 5% to 10%, but this particular analyst changed it to 5%. And that's on, Bill, I think this issue of China domestic, which last year was a difficult comp, so the question is how much noise is in there. And then the other factor -- and certainly, first and foremost, thoughts and prayers with the people of India and other places that are dealing with a surge. But I think there's some thought that units may be down because of India. I would just point out a couple of things as it relates to Qorvo. One is we're principally dealing with 5G volumes at this point. So to the extent that overall smartphone units are down due to 4G, that's less impactful to us. In fact, I would argue that it may be helpful because it debottlenecks the supply chain a bit. And silicon and some of these other components are freed up to go to 5G units. The other thing that I think is worth pointing out -- and this is fresh because it was in an analyst report this morning. I noticed that when they called down their units for overall smartphones to be up only 5% this year, they have 5G units at 450 million. And we're at 550 million, so they're 20% below us. And I think that's another noteworthy item as it relates to all that chatter. For Qorvo, we're sticking to our view at this point for smartphones, 5% to 10%. 5G mix will be about 550 million units, and the market's very tight. So we don't see the sort of noise in the market affecting us. It's, in our view, is a multiyear cycle. In our calendar '21, we -- only 40% of the smartphones will be 5G. Might be a little more if that smartphone unit number goes down, but it's still a fraction of what's eventually going to convert. Encouraging signs in infrastructure. That's going to be a multiyear build-out, and it appears right now to be broadening both across OEMs and geographies, which I think is important. And then we've got to remember that even though we're relatively early in the 5G cycle, throughout the cycle, there will be added complexity and more RF that occurs within the cycle, just as it happened with 4G, and we're seeing that already with the introduction of DCM modules, which is adding transmit to diversity features. So that's just, again, an effort to satiate -- or work to satiate demand, which will never be accomplished, but an effort to get data traffic moving. We don't want -- we'll talk about some of our other markets. Fortunately, we've got James here today. WiFi is growing well. Defense is growing well. Power management is a great market we're thrilled to be in. And then as we look out and maybe the 5G cycle gets older several years out, and we're starting to think about 6G or WiFi 7, we're very excited about other big markets that we're entering: ultra-wideband and all those associated applications; yes, the new sensor business we purchased, which should -- capitalize on both our access to smartphone markets, automotive and others and utilizes our MEMS capabilities. And then today, hopefully, we're getting increasingly hopeful that biotechnologies is going to be a real nice business for us. It's -- the technology is special, and we have an opportunity for James to talk about that today.
William Peterson
analystYes. Why don't we move on to some of these newer opportunities? I mean there's so much to talk about in mobile, but I think we have NextInput, this bio opportunity you talked about, the ultra-wideband, all of these opportunities. I guess maybe starting with the oldest one, which means the Decawave, what are the target markets long term beyond smartphone? It sounds like -- I know your competitors talk about multiple markets. Are there plays in some of James' target businesses as well as, of course, Eric's?
Mark Murphy
executiveYes. Maybe I'll get started and then James can pick it up because we could actually talk about this for the rest of the call. It's a very exciting place to be, and we're very fortunate to have the Decawave team. I mean they were pioneers in the technology. So we're at the leading edge, and we worked with Decawave on the front end. So we were able to -- we had a front row seat into how exciting this technology was. And that's a great team, and that team is thrilled to be with Qorvo because we can bring a lot more resources to bear. And we're -- as I've said in the past, we've actually made that part of the business more dilutive since we bought it since we are, without a doubt, resource-constrained, not opportunity-constrained. It's a real challenge to figure out which opportunity to shoot at, and we are really thrilled. And yes, there's obviously smartphones directly. There's a whole ecosystem around smartphones, and there are certain OEMs that are doing a great job of that, whether we work with them directly or in their partners and their ecosystem. And then, yes, the opportunities for this, it's just like there's a new application almost every day that I hear about given the -- just the unique attributes of the technology. First and foremost, it's extreme precision location capabilities. Automotive is certainly another big market for it. But James, if you want to spend some time on IDP applications.
James Klein
executiveYes. Yes, absolutely. We're excited about the technology, too, just because of its broad applicability. I think, Bill, I'll tell you a story. I was in with one of my distributors last week, and we -- when we do distributor reviews, we look at a number of new, unique customers that we're adding to the business and kind of a sign of how the product looks to the market. And the ultra-wideband products were up at the top of the list of adding new customers. And so these are new, unique places that the technology will be used and very, very new. So it's exciting to see that kind of new demand for the products. But obviously, the markets, as Mark talked about, we're heavily engaged in automotive, and we see strong demand there as we go through the design-in cycle with ultra-wideband. And then today, just a broad variety of IoT applications, really a lot focused on the smart home, but you can imagine what those activities look like. The ability to point your phone or point your remote at devices and be able to operate them in a secure fashion, I think, is a great applicability for the products. So I agree with Mark, we are resource-limited. So we're continuing to try to push on that into the markets as quickly as possible.
Mark Murphy
executiveBill, and I would -- yes, I would -- maybe to finalize some comments on UWB. And we've said this and stick to this view as, it's not material now, certainly less material, in fact, dilutive in the beginning of the year and continues to grow through the year, but remains dilutive for this fiscal year. Yes, but we see this as being a several hundred million dollar business in several years for Qorvo.
William Peterson
analystMaybe another -- I mean, again, you guys have so many different technologies. It was, I guess, you, maybe 2 quarters ago, talked about the Qorvo biotechnologies, the Omnia COVID-19 rapid antigen test. You have the emergency use authorization. Can you share more about this opportunity? I mean obviously, COVID is still with us. You referenced earlier about India and so forth. I mean what are the economics here? And I guess beyond COVID, are there additional market opportunities for some of the base technologies? And how should we think about this part of your business as we look ahead?
James Klein
executiveYes. Thanks for the question, Bill. I think I want to give you a little history on bio before I jump in and talk about what the applications are. This is a technology that we actually started back in 2013, and it was based on BAW. We believed, at that point in time, that we could develop a nonoptical-based sensor to detect basically contaminants in a liquid. And we thought we could do that with much better precision and accuracy than could be done optically. We've been targeting, since that time, both the human; and veterinary market. You've seen us enter the veterinary market several quarters ago in getting that product out there. I think that's been beneficial for us in learning how to develop a product and learning the user experience, if you'll say it, and make the rest work through that. Early on, our focus in the human space had been around troponin, which is associated with you having a stressed -- heart stress. We -- when COVID hit, we quickly pivoted the organization towards both antibody and antigen testing. We've completed development of both of those products and completed the clinical trial. We have received antigen approval from the FDA, as you mentioned, and so that product is in the stage now beginning to move into production and into the market. We were really happy to receive the contract award with funds from BARDA through the NIH RADx program to help us scale manufacturing. And I think -- I'm excited about the funds. I'm probably more excited about the partnership with NIH. They are definitely helping us work through the product, and they're doing a lot of testing for us, and so that's been very, very helpful. But they're also helping us with scaling manufacturing. So the partnership has been very, very strong with NIH, and I'm happy with the progress that we were making. We expect to have that product early stages of being into the market this summer and then ramping the larger-scale production as we get towards the end of the year, again, with a lot of the funds that come out of that. Now what's special about the device is that through our clinical trials and through the testing that we've seen with RADx, we've been able to achieve 100% specificity, which means, basically, we have very, very low false positives and false negatives. We also have a near-PCR level of detection. So we believe with an antigen workflow, a more simplistic workflow, we can actually get results that are fairly common to what would be in a central lab PCR test. And we can do that, instead of in days, we can do it in 20 minutes and -- in the formatted device that has been designed for point of care. It hasn't been approved by the FDA for point of care yet, but we're hopeful that will happen soon. But we think it's special. The market itself today, obviously, for COVID is several billion dollars. But honestly, we do see that starting to decline as we go through the next several years. What's great about this product is the ability for us to fill out a broad range of products in the portfolio. So as I mentioned, we have the veterinary products. We've also got the troponin work that we've done. And on our road map is also add flu A/B testing into the platform. So we're encouraged. The overall point-of-care testing market is north of $10 billion. So I think, over time, as we go through years and years, we expect to be able to build this up. And I think very similar to what Mark said about ultra-wideband. We believe that we can build this into a several hundred million dollar business as we go out into the year. So it's encouraging, exciting technology, and we're really happy that we can help with the current pandemic.
Mark Murphy
executiveAnd maybe I'll -- just to maybe add a brief comment on bio and our broader M&A activities. I think the exciting thing about bio is it's, again, another market that helps us address a very large TAM potential. And we acknowledge we're newbies to the world of biotech, diagnostic testing, so we're being careful as we enter the market. But we have a special technology, and that's been proven now by the regulators. So we're -- we are excited about the market. And then if we step back more broadly in the same theme, we've bought, in the last 8 quarters, and then if you add NextInput on top of that, yes, we've bought about $1.2 billion worth of companies over a couple of years. What's exciting to me is some of them are obviously contributing immediately to the company. They're accretive. Others are dilutive. But I think, as we know, what's most important is what's the market that you're able to address with these. What is your chance of being able to gain share and capture value. And we're thrilled. I mean again, we bought about $1.2 billion of companies. If you look at Qorvo and IDP's base business, our TAM is about $20 billion. This $1 billion-ish of acquisitions has given us access to, at a conservative estimate, about $4 billion worth of TAM. And several years, that's over $10 billion worth of TAM. And most exciting, that's excluding the TAM that James just referenced on biotechnologies. So that's all TAM that's available excluding biotech. So I think we've been -- we're excited about the acquisitions we've done and how they're performing with the company.
William Peterson
analystYes. The latest one in this line is NextInput, and it really just closed, I guess, $173 million. Maybe you can -- what of that TAM and where does this come in, in terms of the market opportunities, the -- what -- it seems like smart -- it seems like it's across smartphones and some other consumer tech. But where is the market heading? And what are the key differentiation points for this business you acquired?
Mark Murphy
executiveWell, this is another one that has sort of fit the mold of the last several where, yes, we see a great team that's developed a very novel technology. And they've reached a point where they would benefit from scale from a company like Qorvo, and we would be able to leverage our competencies and a design and process technology, in this case, MEMS, which we have capability and furthermore, in this one, in certain markets. So this one's a bit like UWB in that, yes, the use cases are just pervasive. You've got use cases in smartphones, you've got use cases all over consumer -- other consumer electronics, extensive use cases in automotive. The fascinating thing about this technology is you can put it behind a solid surface, be it a metal or wood or polycarbonate, whatever it is, and the sensor is so sensitive that you can basically -- it's force sensing without mechanical buttons. So wherever you see mechanical buttons in the world, which candidly, are quite expensive and they break, can conceivably be replaced by this. And then it's also adaptive in the sense that it provides additional functionality just by how firm you press on the surface. So again, it's -- this one is actually accretive within this year. But it's a technology that we're investing heavily in as we go forward, and thrilled to have the team on board, great team.
William Peterson
analystOkay. Great. Maybe coming back to some of James' core businesses. You've provided a framework for the year. It's certainly kind of being held back, it appears, by infrastructure this year with the market down. I want to dive in that a little bit. Obviously, I'm sure, long term and over the next few years, you're excited about the opportunities, including GaN and small signal. But I guess, how should we think about the shape of the market, the mix of the various regions? You mentioned that there's mix impacts with the 64x64 MIMO versus macro. Can you remind us of the content opportunities? And how should we think about this market, not only, I guess, into the back half of the year but over the next few years?
James Klein
executiveYes. Let me -- I'll start, Bill, and just talk a bit about content, and then we'll move into what we see going on in dynamics in the market. First of all, we've got a very, very broad portfolio to address this base station market or wireless connectivity market. And that really starts in the small signal side. We've been there for a long, long time. We've got, we think, the industry-leading low-noise amplifiers. We've got a broad set of filter products, switches, driver amplifiers, the whole works basically on what we would call the small signal side, and we've had that for years. We've maintained a leadership position for there for many, many years. And as most folks know, we supply to basically all of the OEMs in these platforms. So small signal represents a great market for us and will continue. A few years ago, we entered into the GaN market. We've been very, very successful there with our products in gallium nitride. And what that really let us do was move into the power side, which is a good chunk of what the market space is, depending on the mix. So we're pleased that we're able to basically address all the customers and all the market, with the exception of Huawei because of U.S. restrictions. If you look at overall content on a fully populated 64 element array, our content is up over $1,000. And then that scales back, obviously, as we go down in MIMO count, all the way down to a macro level. So it's fairly wide variability of content. But I do want to make sure everybody understands this is not just for us a power amplifier play and certainly not just a power amplifier and China play. For us, it's really broad based on how we are able to address the market. If you look at the dynamics in the market, I think it's been widely publicized that we're really in the midst of a pause in China. That's maybe the downside of the market today and certainly is what, to your words, Bill, putting some pressure on us for the year. Basically, there have been very minor deployments in China when we went through this. And it feels like, I think, we're in the trough in this quarter. We're in the low point. We're going to start to build back out of that as we move into the second half. But we will wait and see how that moves forward. To counter that, we are seeing a pickup in the rest of the world. C-band deployments in the U.S. post auction completion are now flowing. We've got backlog. We're shipping product. We continue to get orders. And so we're happy to see product moving forward in the deployments in the U.S. And again, for us, that includes the broad set of products we're in the U.S. deployment, including GaN power amplifiers. We're also seeing deployments in other parts of the world. I think we talked on the last earnings calls about deployments in Canada and Korea and Japan, and we've got nice wins in all of those regions. So we are seeing 5G, which was, if you look back last year and the year before mainly a China story, really starting to diversify across regions and pick up around the rest of the world. So yes, we're in the early stages. I think this year, because of dynamics in China, it won't be a particularly robust growth business for us. But as we get out of this year, everything still remains the way it has been. Great opportunity. GaN is going to continue to proliferate especially as we move into these higher frequencies. Our small signal products are doing very, very well. Content is going up. And we've got deployments that are going to occur all over the world. So I think long term, this is still a great market for us.
William Peterson
analystBefore going back to Mark to close out with maybe a few model questions. Just, James, a lot of the other business -- parts of the business are going strong and looked like they should continue: WiFi to WiFi 6, WiFi 6E. I think you have some new opportunities in automotive, defense, you mentioned. I guess just to quickly summarize just your outlook as we look out over the next, say, 12 to 18 months, just maybe outside of just the pure infrastructure.
James Klein
executiveYes. And to what you talked about 6, 6 -- and WiFi 6 and 6E are deploying, and we've made really great progress even during the current quarter with our 6E products. We've had -- been selected, of course, to very high-profile 6E products, and we're excited about that with our partners. And we think that will just continue. Obviously, very early adoption for 6, and we think this continues for several years. Mark spoke about power management. That's great trends in our power management business, and we're also moving that product into a couple of other markets, and we expect to have some of our first wins and some of our first products in markets other than what Mark talked about, like defense, as we go through the year. So I think that continues to be a growth engine for us as well. Automotive is really starting to rebound and pick up. I think we've got strong automotive demand and so, again, another growth driver for us. And then I can't not mention defense because defense is just year after year after year, been a very steady growth driver for us. And on top of that, it really helps us drive a significant amount of technology into the company. And so that business just continues to perform very well. So I probably missed 1 or 2, but in general, we just continue to see some very good growth drivers.
Mark Murphy
executiveAnd I would just add to -- just to maybe help with the modeling a bit. Though we see -- we said that we expect James' business to grow on the low end of his traditional range that he cited of 10% to 15%, so closer to 10%. Infrastructure will grow very strongly, we believe, in the second half for the items James mentioned. But it will still be down year-over-year for the full year. And then as James mentioned, every other business, we see growing nicely, especially power management, some of the cable stuff and kind of WiFi and defense.
William Peterson
analystYes. Understood. Mark, gross margin performance has been great. I know there's been some positive tailwinds, but you guys have also done a lot of great things under the hood that should continue, I guess. And I know that -- then you have op margin, free cash flow margin. I know you're focused on all of these things. But I guess, starting from the gross margins, how much further benefit from productivity improvements? But then you have puts and takes of maybe pricing normalizing or inventory charges. Obviously, on the op line, you're investing in a lot of these businesses. How much leverage do we have in the model? And how should we think about just your free cash flow margin trends over time?
Mark Murphy
executiveYes. It's good questions, Bill. As I tried to lay out in the call, we had some things go our way in fiscal '21, most notably some of these inventory charges, some favorable absorption. Pricing has been good in the back half. Some of that becomes a bit of headwind in the next year as the pricing maybe probably will not go back to what it was completely but it will erode a bit. And then we've got more normal inventory charge and so forth. So I -- we're expecting to hold gross margin around 52%. Our OpEx will go up about $100 million versus FY '21. As we look out, we're in a supply-constrained environment. So we're trying to work with customers. We've got, in the near term, noncancelable orders. In the midterm, we've got agreements for the year, and we're signing and negotiating multiyear agreements. So we're getting comfortable with adding capacity. And fortunately, for us, we've laid out a plan to add capacity efficiently to get the leverage that you're talking about. In Oregon and North Carolina, we can build on the fabs with pretty efficient shells. And then in Texas, we still have room in Renner, our workhorse fab, to make improvements there. And then as you know, we've got Farmers Branch, which we can efficiently bring that online. So I feel very good about growing and getting leverage on that growth. And then of course, we're driving productivity as hard as ever: still have room to expand some wafer sizes; still shrinking die and working those programs aggressively; improving cycle time, especially important now; and so forth.
William Peterson
analystWell, that was a great way to end this call. Thanks again, guys. Terrific opportunities ahead of the team. We'll look forward to following the progress. Thanks a lot.
Mark Murphy
executiveThanks, Bill.
James Klein
executiveThanks, Bill.
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