Ramelius Resources Limited (RMS) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
August 26, 2021
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorThank you for standing by, and welcome to the Ramelius Resources 2021 Financial Year Results. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Mark Zeptner, Managing Director. Please go ahead.
Mark Zeptner
executiveGood morning, everyone. Thank you for taking the time to dial in to our Full Year 2021 Results Conference Call. Joining me this morning is our Chief Financial Officer, Tim Manners, who is quite enthusiastically looking forward to showing some of the numbers with you. Now there have been a number of releases related to our 2021 results loaded on to the ASX platform this morning, but Tim and I will be talking more broadly to the results presentation itself. Once we have done that, there will be an opportunity for listeners to ask questions. So if we go to the presentation and start with Slide 3. We believe that in FY '21, Ramelius has delivered to shareholders. And we've done that by breaking a number of company records in the process. We've achieved record production of 272,000 ounces, up some 18% on last year, and this has translated into record sales revenue, EBIT, EBITDA, NPAT and operating cash flow. This has left the company in an enviable position, and also allowed the Board to approve a 25% increase on the dividend paid last year, resulting in a fully franked $0.025 per share dividend being declared today. Ramelius remains one of the smallest in terms of market cap, dividend payers on the ASX, and we are pleased to be able to provide our third full year dividend as we strive to make it like many aspects of our business sustainable over the longer term. On Slide 4, you can see that we have built up production from multiple sources like here in Western Australia, with these sources providing production flexibility that has allowed to consistent achievement of guidance over a number of years. Ever since Mt Magnet was recommissioned in 2012, we have been on a growth path. We now have 5 mining operations feeding into 2 processing plants with our sixth mining operation at Penny coming into full production in FY '23. Now growth in production is not value-adding unless it's leading to increased earnings, and our margin growth has been a key part of that. So now let me hand over to Tim to take you through this aspect and the financials in more detail.
Timothy Manners
executiveThank you, Mark, and thanks again for all of you taking time out to join us today. And apologies, you can't see me, so you'll have to visualize my enthusiasm to that. I remember presenting the equivalent set of figures this time last year. We had come off the back of a huge production quarter for the company, 86,000 ounces in June 2020. The gold price has started FY '20 at $1,900 an ounce, but have then gone on a huge turn to reach over $2,720 an ounce by quarter 3. The financial results for Ramelius in that year were beyond all expectations, and it smashed the previous year's numbers. So I'm sure I speak for the whole team here at Ramelius who want to say that we're very proud that we did more than just back up on the 2020 results. We have set another level. Another set of new records for FY '21 for nearly every metric we measure. It's been an incredible year. Yes, the gold prices remained strong, which has clearly helped. But particularly in the last 6 to 9 months, the resources industry as a whole has had to face the collateral effects of basically closed international borders and challenging people availability within our own country that this industry has not seen since the last mining boom. So with this backdrop to achieve production and financial records makes this year very special indeed. If I can draw your attention to Slide 5, this gives us the first snapshot of the key drivers to the results: record production for the year and record sales of 277,450 ounces. Our realized price rose 13% over the year, which matched the rise in our all-in sustaining costs, which were higher due, in part, to some of the cost pressures brought about by the people issues I mentioned, which were felt by us, our peers and major contractors in our industry. I'll talk a little more on costs shortly. However, with the 22% increase in gold sold and the maintenance of our margin overall in sustaining costs as the chart show, we managed to maintain the positive trends we began to set when Ramelius embarked on its growth strategy a number of years ago. Slide 6 gives us those hard numbers, reflecting the outcomes from those physical drivers of higher gold production, maintaining 2 mills at capacity and having substantial operating flexibility within the asset mix at both Mt Magnet and Edna May. $634 million in revenue, giving an EBITDA of $341 million and an NPAT of $127 million. As Mark mentioned, all new records for the company. Underlying cash flow of $148 million resulted in a closing cash and gold position of $234 million. The earnings and, in particular, the cash flow enabled a 25% increase in our dividend to $0.025 per share fully franked. Slide 7 demonstrates how these key metrics compared to prior years, with the last 5 years being shown here in a graphical form. Whilst this year, in particular, is a story of record production, strong gold prices and some solid controls around our costs, these charts hopefully illustrate that even back in FY '17 through to FY '19, we had a business that was steadily growing and building to position ourselves to benefit from the price side environment that we are now in. I think the key takeaway here is that we have plans to grow and we executed those plans and with a bit of luck thrown in, which we all need every now and then, we've achieved most of what we set out to do. However, I can assure you that we believe there is more to come, as evidenced by the 1.8 million ounce mine plan released earlier this month and the exciting development plans we continue to work on at both our primary operations. Moving to Slide 8, and I won't dwell too long on here. This has simply been provided to give you all a simple line of sight comparison of FY '21 to FY '20. It's also very easy to talk to all those metrics that we've improved upon, but there are 2 there that we didn't. The group cash flow was down a little on FY '20 due to 3 things: the repayment of the debt facility that we drew down in the prior year, the larger dividend payment made in FY '21 and also the shift by RMS to becoming a taxpayer, outlying around $25 million that was not there in the year before. As the footnote hopefully shows, if you notionally reverse the effect of those items, you'll end up back at the underlying cash flow number, which exhibited a 77% increase on FY '20 to over $148 million. Lastly for this slide, the EPS was down due simply to the fact that in FY '20, the shares used as consideration for the Spectrum acquisition were only an issue for part of the year. Hence, the denominator in that calculation was a fair bit smaller than that used in FY '21. Moving to Slide 9. We look more closely at the movement in EBITDA from FY '20 to FY '21. The increase of 33% was driven by improvements in both operations. Mt Magnet had a slightly higher cost profile due to more underground material in the blend and the deepening of the Eridanus pit meant the underlying unit costs were slightly higher. However, every ounce produced benefited from the higher gold price, which more than offset these movements in costs. At Edna May, it was a simple story of being able to run the mill at full capacity again, given the permitting delays we experienced in FY '20 at Greenfinch. With those issues behind us, the additional volume of material through the plant generated additional earnings to complement the higher gold price. Pleasingly, the EBITDA margin of 54% was only 2 points off the 56% we set last year, which we know was a sector-leading result. We're clearly delighted to hauled but maintain that level of financial return in our business. Moving to Slide 10. Only a couple to go. Slide 10 looks at cash generation, which is clearly critical to any business. The underlying cash flow, as I mentioned, of $148 million starts and ends with the $308 million of cash from operations, as shown by the far left-hand gold colored bar. This huge operating contribution enabled us to strengthen the balance sheet and to continue the development plans across our business with $165 million of that reinvested into both growth and sustaining capital. We are excited by the progress made at both of our latest gold mines, the development funding noted above has enabled Tampia to move into production with ore now being hauled to Edna May pretty much on a daily basis. And the groundwork for Penny is well underway, and we look forward to the development of one of the highest-grade mines in Australia, commencing later in FY '22, with ore being hauled to Mt Magnet early in FY '23. On Slide 11, it shows how our financial results for FY '21 have strengthened the balance sheet. We talk about it often, but pleasingly, our liquidity position has grown by 90% over that of last year. So along with the $234 million in cash and gold, we have approximately 70,000 ounces in stocks that gives us optionality, flexibility and helps us manage risk in the -- we hope unlikely event operations are impacted by COVID or indeed by any other business interruption event. Growth remains a big part of the RMS corporate strategy, be that by the drill bit or the checkbook. Ramelius is quite simply ready and financially capable to act on any opportunity that we believe fits our corporate aspirations. Very quickly on our hedge book. This continues to reduce in quantum and increase in average price. For us, we use price risk management tools to manage short-term cash flow expectations, whilst balancing long-term exposure to the spot gold price. As the slide highlights, approximately 90% of our new mine plan remains exposed to the spot gold price with only a portion of short-term production being hedged. And lastly, for me, Slide 12 touches upon the FY '21 dividend declaration of $0.025 per share. It is fully franked and notionally represents a 2.3% yield in the hands of the average Aussie shareholder. The dividend was calculated in accordance with our established policy, and the 25% increase reflects the uptick in earnings and cash flow for FY '21. Once paid, it will take the cumulative total of dividends paid over the last 3 years to over $43.1 million. On that note, thank you for hearing me out, and I'll pass you back to Mark.
Mark Zeptner
executiveOkay. Thanks, Tim. So if we can refer to Slide 13 now, and these are our focus areas for FY '22. Firstly, we continue to strive for operational excellence by achieving guidance, managing costs and improving our safety record. We're also heavily focused on the ramp-up to full production at Tampia, which has started ore haulage on schedule. We are committed to a significant investment in exploration, and we continue to believe in the ground that we hold or deliver the goods. We're always on the lookout, as Tim alluded to, for accretive acquisitions, ones that will deliver a step change for the company, and we believe we are well placed to capitalize on the right opportunity. We will continue to manage our capital in a disciplined manner and retain a strong balance sheet, whilst recognizing dividends, including the one announced today are an integral part of any shareholder-focused company. But finally, we'll continue to provide regular updates to the market on our progress with our mining studies, our annual resources and reserve statement, which is due next month and the move towards production at Penny, which is ready to commence the open pit phase of its development and really starting to look the part as it readies itself as the lowest cost mine in the portfolio. That concludes the presentation. I will now hand back to you, Bernadet, to open the line for questions, please.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Andrew Hines of Shaw and Partners.
Andrew Hines
analystCongratulations on a record year. It's a record all across the board. So well done. A couple of questions for me, one for you, Mark, just around the impact of COVID and the impacts of having on the business. Tim sort of addressed it from a cost perspective. But are there any points where you're sort of seeing red flags around just actual access to people whatsoever. Is there anything that you just can't get people to do things. And I'm sort of thinking in the context of specialist roles in the mines or the construction of the Penny project, just access to labor, just delaying plans in any way?
Mark Zeptner
executiveThanks, Andrew. Yes, look, it's getting harder for everybody at the moment. There are some particular critical areas such as geologists. We need to get them out of tax season back on the mines. So that's a difficult area. And I think just across the board, everybody is feeling the pinch. Fortunately, a project like Penny were largely manned up on the Ramelius side, we're able to move some of our mega contractors from the recently completed Greenfinch project at Edna May, directly up there to start the open pit. And finally, on the underground side, I'd like to think we -- when you've got a high-grade, high-margin operation, people -- and it's new, people tend to want to work at those operations. So I'm quietly confident that we can find the people to run that. And it's not a large operation by any means. It's sort of 60 to 70 people. So I'd like to think that we can man that up effectively later this financial year.
Andrew Hines
analystYes. Great. And a question -- a couple of questions for Tim. Tim, the -- one of the big increases in cost, not a cash cost, but the D&A charges coming through, so your D&A charge this year was $163 million, up from $103 million the year before. Are we going to see further increases do you think in that coming through? Or are we now at the level where given the past expenditure, that's now sort of at that sort of -- that's a level going forward?
Timothy Manners
executiveThanks, Andrew. Look, I think you'd see probably more of a comparable rate going forward. As you rightly pointed out, we have had some projects come online that have inherently increased that D&A charge. At 168, I would imagine that, that is a reasonably sustainable number going forward. Potentially, there are areas where at an asset level, it will reduce. But we do have the likes of Tampia clearly now and Penny coming on board and get those acquisition costs will need to be written off over the sort of the life of those projects. So for all intents and purposes, for modeling purposes, at those current levels, I think that's a fair assumption going forward.
Andrew Hines
analystGreat. And then final one for me, just on the dividend. Tim, can you just remind us what the dividend policy is. The $0.025 was -- is obviously welcome, but it was a touch below, I think, what I was modeling, $0.005 lower. But what is the actual dividend policy? And how do you come to that number?
Timothy Manners
executiveThe policy is a minimum of $0.01 per share, assuming you get through 2 gates, which is effectively a 5-year mine plan and a $50 million cash balance. So we clearly got through those okay. And the maximum is 30% of free cash flow. The $0.025 sat somewhere in between those 2 metrics. It's not at the top end. It's also not at the bottom end, but what we felt was appropriate was to ensure that it's sustainable. So it wasn't going to put long-term pressure on us. It was an increase because we made more money, so we feel we should return a little bit more to shareholders. But our key focus, as Mark mentioned, is to make sure that this is part of our business going forward and that it remains a sustainable part of that. So if you were to do those cash flows, you'll probably come up with a number that's a little bit higher than $0.025 per share. That's where the Board and management sort of landed, and we felt it was an appropriate sort of balance between those minimum and maximum levels.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from Richard Hart of [ Top Wheel ].
Unknown Analyst
analystThanks very much again for your work on our behalf. Thanks for stacking your money away, and congratulations. There's just a couple of things. The $30 million that was mentioned a while ago in the statement, can I assume that's a very good company that's actually in our bank accounts now?
Timothy Manners
executiveYes, it is, Richard, it came through. I think it was very early in August that, that was settled.
Unknown Analyst
analystThat's good. So our bank can't -- is probably looking quite healthy. Thanks for the dividend, that will buy a few cups of coffee. The only other question I have is with Tampia, last I heard you, I think, moving about 1,600 tonnes daily. Is that a sort of ongoing situation? Will that carry on as a regular situation there?
Mark Zeptner
executiveThanks, Richard. The annual run rate that we're shooting for is circa 700,000 tonnes per annum. So that's probably closer to -- yes, your number, probably be closer to 2,000 a day. It's been very wet in that part of the world. So there has been some impacts, and we've had -- we actually moved some trucks. I think we've mentioned on previous calls from Marda down to Tampia and then vice versa because of the large stockpiles at Marda, we're keen to knock that on their head as well. And the background there is that getting trucks and people is a little bit of a challenge at the moment as well. But -- yes, run rate of 1,500 to 2,000 tonne a day out of Tampia is our planned rate, if you like.
Unknown Analyst
analystGreat results. So is Marda getting back to what you call normal or is it still a problem?
Mark Zeptner
executiveIt's not a problem other than the accountants not liking a 400,000 tonnes stockpile. The weather is maybe taking a turn for the better. Unfortunately, if you have a day's rain, you lose 2 or 3 days before the Shire reopens the road, it drives out and you can get hauling again. But we'd like to think that from here on in, hopefully, we get a better run over the next 6 to 12 months.
Timothy Manners
executiveI mean, Richard, as you know, July was very wet. The road system at Marda is not quite as solid, if you like, as Tampia, but it doesn't take too long to dry out. And once things start to warm up, I'm sure we'll churn through that stockpile pretty quick.
Unknown Analyst
analystOkay. Well, thanks, going to very indebted for all the work you do for us. So good luck for the next year.
Mark Zeptner
executiveThanks, Richard.
Timothy Manners
executiveThanks, again, Richard.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from Stuart McKinnon of the West Australian.
Stuart McKinnon
attendeeCongratulations on the great result. Mark, I just wanted to sort of probe a bit further on one of the comments you made in relation to labor. Just in relation to -- I think you were specifically talking about geologists, you need to get them out of taxis onto the mine site. Are you suggesting that goes opting to drive taxis at the moment rather than work in mining? I find that kind of surprising. And if that is the case, why is that happening? Is -- does the companies need to offer sort of better rates of pay. Can I just get you expand on that comment that you made?
Mark Zeptner
executiveYes. Thanks, Stuart. I should clarify, it's probably a throwaway line that I should be careful in making, but it probably harks back to the days when there was a downturn in the industry and geologists, several years ago went off reportedly driving taxis. Look, at the moment, they are one touch point in the business. They are difficult to get and keep. But it applies across the board. Jumbo operators, drillers, mining engineers, surveyors, it's just a little worse in the area of geology for some reason. But the taxis, I would basically -- I think I'd leave that comment where it belongs, which is in the past.
Stuart McKinnon
attendeeOkay. No worries. Mark, that's fine. And just to follow-on from that. Are you guys, like other companies, having to offer sort of better rates of pay, better conditions, those sort of things to get the people that you need? How competitive is it out there?
Mark Zeptner
executiveSuper competitive. You're making assessments of where your people sit in terms of total remuneration packages, not just base salary on a more regular basis. And you having to be more inventive in terms of what forms part of that package because it's not always just salary. It's obviously got a large impact on it. And we're looking at that on a regular basis to try to remain competitive.
Stuart McKinnon
attendeeGreat. Okay. Just one further question, if I can, Mark, and then I'll pass on to someone else. As I asked quite a few companies also during the reporting season, and that's around vaccination. Have you done sort of any surveys or work in this area in terms of your staff? And would you support a compulsory vaccination among your workforce? Or is that something that you're sort of leaving up to the individuals to make the decision themselves?
Mark Zeptner
executiveYes. Look, we'd like -- we encourage our people to be vaccinated, but we're nowhere near a mandatory vaccination. As we said, people are hard enough to get as it is, and the potential to alienate a percentage of your workforce went out, I don't think it's quite necessary at this point in time. It's not something that we began to do. We encourage people to get flu vaccinations, and we had very good take up there. And we encourage people to get the COVID of vaccination as well and making sure that we've got really robust plans in place if we do have an outbreak on one of our mine sites. So I'm taking the learnings from the Edna May experience and applying that at our own operations.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from Jon Ogden of Eastern Value Ltd.
Jon Ogden
analystThank you very much for a great set of results, and it's a shame the market is not rewarding you at the moment. The term I got for you is, firstly, just on COVID again. Just wondered what your conversations were with the authorities. I mean you have the stockpiles. I'm just wondering, if you think it's just a very, very remote possibility you might have to close a site or at least stop mining and just production only from stockpiles. I'll say that because obviously, there's a bigger outbreak now, and it seems that Australia wants to kind of pursue lockdowns and so on. So it seems that the risks of mines being closed across Australia probably higher now than they've ever been. I mean that's a superficial view from somebody outside Australia. So that's one. And the second one is just you often talk about potential M&A. We obviously saw a Tampia and Spectrum. So I wondered if you're more lean towards the kind of another Tampia-style deal where you just buy a developed resource, but you don't buy the whole kit. You don't buy a third mill basically. I just wonder if you feel your skill set is more integrating the Tampia or Spectrum rather than adding to production capacity as well. Yes. So those are the 2 I've got for you.
Mark Zeptner
executiveThanks, Jon. I'll answer the first one. Tim, I'll leave the M&A one for you. Yes, we do have large stockpiles, which -- it's not by design. I think it's on 70,000 ounces on stock across the business, which in a worst-case scenario where we're preventative from mining would give us several -- a number of months at least of milling and cash flows. In terms of mine closure, from outside of Australia, definitely, the East Coast is suffering quite badly from delta where -- touch wood, going quite well on this side, but we're always making sure our plans are up to date, and we're talking about it regularly to so be sure -- to be ready to act if we have an outbreak in one of the aspects of our business that is to our advantage is the multiple sources and the multiple areas, so that unlike Edna May, we're not going to lose a significant proportion of production if we have an outbreak at one mine site. It will be 1/6 or something like that for a period of time. So we feel that we're pretty well placed as far as that goes. And like I said, the stockpiles aren't by design. It's the way -- it's worked out in this part of the cycle. We mine, typically, our open pits where the stockpiles usually derived from on the lowest unit cost per BCM, and that can generate in certain circumstances when strip ratios are lower, stockpiles that subsequent years, you feed through the mill. So that's the situation on stockpiles and COVID. M&A?
Timothy Manners
executiveYes, Jon, I guess in short, part of the M&A strategy is to really look at both bolt-ons and the acquisition of a third production center, production hub. Our priority and probably our focus is on the latter, trying to really make that step change in our production levels and the size of the business. We feel the assets we've got are very capable of producing at that 250,000 to 300,000 ounce level for a sustainable period. What we're looking for is the next asset to take us to that next production level. However, part of what we do is to certainly look at and consider smaller projects and opportunities that could feed either Edna May or Mt Magnet. So I guess we look at both, but the priority is still on the bigger transaction.
Jon Ogden
analystJust on the COVID, quick other thought is, I don't know the way -- well, I think you don't have a lockdown in Perth. So the potential threat though is that the fly-in, fly-out guys are not able to get out of town and get back to the mine site perhaps. Is there any thought that might happen as opposed to the other obvious thing, as you say, an outbreak at the site? I mean, hopefully, that won't happened. But do you think there could be such a general blanket kind of lockdown that you can't get your guys out to the site? Or is that unlikely?
Mark Zeptner
executiveWell, history in WA is that we've had several -- I think 3 sort of 4- to 5-day lockdowns. Then the Premier has jumped on then very quickly and only allowed essential workers to go back and forward from the mines, and that's had very little impact. It's effectively the crews at the mines have had to do a longer swing whilst Perth's been locked down. We don't have all of our -- again, to our advantage in all of our mine site workers from Perth. We have some from Geraldton, and we have some local employees at Mt Magnet linked Westonia and Narembeen, which is obviously helpful in those sorts of circumstances because it tends to be Perth and the Peel area that gets locked down. So I said, touch wood, we continue as we have been. We're basically being largely unaffected, and we look forward to that continuing.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] There are no further questions at this time. That does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
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