Randstad N.V. ($RAND)

Earnings Call Transcript · March 27, 2026

ENXTAM NL Industrials Professional Services Shareholder/Analyst Calls 196 min

Highlights from the call

In the fiscal year 2025, Randstad N.V. reported revenues of €23.1 billion, reflecting a 2% decline year-over-year, primarily due to challenging market conditions in key European regions. The company achieved an adjusted net income of €442 million, resulting in an EBITDA margin of 3.1%. Management maintained a cautious outlook for 2026, highlighting that while 50% of their markets are stabilizing and showing growth, significant challenges remain in the Netherlands and Germany. The company proposed a dividend of €1.62 per share, consistent with their capital allocation policy, indicating a commitment to shareholder returns despite the operational headwinds.

Main topics

  • Revenue Decline: Randstad reported a revenue decline of 2% to €23.1 billion for 2025, attributed to prolonged market challenges. CFO Jorge Vazquez noted, "We did not have the growth we were planning for," emphasizing the ongoing difficulties in major markets.
  • Cost Management and Profitability: The company managed to keep operating expenses in line with revenue declines, achieving an EBITDA of €720 million. Management highlighted that they reduced annual operating costs by €600 million, demonstrating adaptability in a tough market.
  • Market Recovery Signals: Management indicated that 50% of Randstad's markets are showing signs of growth, particularly in the U.S., Spain, and Italy. Sander van 't Noordende stated, "The market is stabilizing," suggesting a cautious optimism for future performance.
  • AI and Digitization Strategy: Randstad is actively integrating AI into its operations to enhance efficiency. The management discussed ongoing investments in technology, stating, "We have invested about €150 million per annum in new technology," to ensure future relevance.
  • Dividend Proposal: The board proposed a dividend of €1.62 per share, representing a payout ratio of 64% of adjusted net income. This aligns with their capital allocation policy, reaffirming their commitment to returning value to shareholders.

Key metrics mentioned

  • Revenue: €23.1 billion (vs €23.5 billion prior year, -2% YoY)
  • Adjusted Net Income: €442 million (vs €500 million prior year, -11% YoY)
  • EBITDA: €720 million (vs €752 million prior year, -4.3% YoY)
  • EBITDA Margin: 3.1% (vs 3.1% prior year, inline)
  • Dividend per Share: €1.62 (proposed, consistent with payout policy)
  • Operating Cost Reduction: €600 million (annual reduction to adapt to market conditions)

Randstad's performance in 2025 reflects significant challenges, particularly in key European markets, leading to a revenue decline and pressure on profitability. However, management's focus on cost control, digitization, and a commitment to shareholder returns through dividends provide some optimism. Investors should monitor the execution of the strategic transformation and market recovery signals as potential catalysts for future performance.

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Cees ´t Hart

Executives
#1

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. It' 10 a.m., so I propose that we open this meeting. Welcome. I'm Cees ´t Hart. I Chair the Supervisory Board, and I'm pleased to open this Annual General Meeting of Shareholders and welcome you all. I'm also pleased to welcome those following this meeting online. Today, all members of the Executive Board are present. From left to right, they're seated at the table, our COO, Jesus Echevarria; our CHRO, Myriam Beatove, CFO; Jorge Vazquez and our birthday boy, Sander van 't Noordende. And we hope that you'll join us for coffee on his behalf. I'm not going to sing happy birthday because I'm not sure what the result would be, but welcome, but welcome Sander van 't Noordende on behalf of the Supervisory Board, alongside myself. From left to right, the Audit Committee Chair, Laurence Debroux, the Remuneration Committee Chair, Annet Aris and Jeroen Drost. The other members of the Supervisory Board are attending the meeting online. Also with us this morning is Also with us this morning is Jacobina Brinkman from the accountancy firm,PricewaterhouseCoopers at 2D adoption of the 2025 financial statements. She'll be happy to answer questions concerning the financial statements. Previous -- prior to this, she'll deliver a brief explanation about the annual audit process and the auditor's report. We also have with us the Company Secretary, Jelle Miedema, who I hereby appoint as Secretary of the meeting and will first explain some procedural matters. Jelle, you have the floor.

Jelle Miedema

Attendees
#2

Thank you, Cees. Good morning. You can attend this meeting in Dutch and in English. Simultaneous interpretation is provided to this end, and the presentation on the screen in the room and online will be in English. This meeting was convened on 11 February of this year, and all meeting documents were posted on our website that day. Shareholders may also attend the meeting online via the website, abnimro.com/evoting and ask questions via the chat function. To this end, they received a login following registration. Shareholders have also been given the opportunity to submit voting instructions in advance either via the ABN AMRO website or via IQ-EQ Financial Services. Prior to the meeting, shareholders had the opportunity to submit questions and Humidian and the VBDO used this option. And we have also discussed their questions in detail with both organizations. We will not be voting after addressing each agenda item today, but the vote will remain open on all agenda items throughout the meeting and will be closed after Item 8b. And after that, I will tell you the voting results. I will tell you the number present at the meeting later on as well as the number of votes represented. The meeting is recorded and broadcast live via the website, including a video recording. The draft minutes of the meeting will be made available within 3 months. And after that, they will remain on the website for 3 months for your comments. And after 3 months, the Chair and I will adopt them. Now back to you, Cees.

Cees ´t Hart

Executives
#3

Thank you, Jelle. And we will now proceed to Item 2, the report from 2025. At this agenda item, we will be discussing 2a, the report from the Executive Board, including the sustainability report and the report from the Supervisory Board for 2025 at 2b, the highlights of the corporate governance structure and compliance with the corporate governance code for 2025; 2C, the remuneration report for 2025; 2D, the proposal to adopt the 2025 financial statements; 2E, the explanation corresponding to the reservation dividend policy; and 2F, the regular dividend for the 2025 financial year. First, I'm pleased to give the floor to Sander, who will deliver a presentation about the general course of events in 2025. And after that, he will hand over to Jorge, who will discuss the financial course of events and other items stated. Birthday Boy, you have the floor.

Alexander van't Noordende

Executives
#4

Thank you, Cees. And it's good to see all of you here again today. Of course, I received some messages congratulating me this morning and everybody wished me a good day. And I said, well, we have our shareholders' meeting today. So today will certainly be a good day. Once again, this year, as Randstad, we did excellent work, I would say. And we achieved an impact on people's work and work figures prominently in people's lives. And we're proud that this year, once again, we placed over 1.7 million people all over the world in jobs daily, about 560,000 people work with our clients at Ranstand. And if you think about that, that's roughly the population of Amsterdam. If you multiply that by the average household size of 2.5 million, then as Randstad, we're basically supporting about 1.5 million people via our talents, and we served over 150,000 clients in 2025, and we trained 530,000 people in 2025. Customers and talents are satisfied and both customer and talent satisfaction. Our average score is 8. So overall, we can and are proud of what we have done at Randstad in 2025. And what we also did in 2025 is celebrating 65 years of Randstad. And this sheet reflects a few impressions from the festivities. At the bottom right, you see the Netherlands. At the bottom right, you see Spain and Japan, if I'm correct, and that was a global celebration because 65 years ago, Frits Goldschmeding on the back of his bicycle brought our first temp person to the first customer and then expanded Randstad to a global company, of course, with our core values of knowing, serving and trusting know your customer and know your talent, serve your customer and your talent and trust, build trust with your customer and your talent and aim for perfection and protect the simultaneous interest of all Randstad stakeholders. So in that respect, Fritz was well ahead of this day and set up a magnificent company. And of course, 65 years is a very special birthday, very special anniversary. And of course, we had a great celebration, and we also told each other, well, to make that happen together. So in that respect, it was a nice year of connecting. In April, we organized a capital markets event for our shareholders. And some of you may have noticed that you noted a summary video play for you to give you a general impression of what we discussed with our shareholders and our analysts. [Presentation]

Cees ´t Hart

Executives
#5

The summary of the video very briefly is that we have a clear strategy. We have evidence that our strategy works at scale. And you saw our market, Marc-Etienne, who is in charge of the United States for us. We've got EUR 2 billion on the health care platform, and we have EUR 8 billion revenue on various platforms. In digital, we have EUR 2.3 billion on the platform. So altogether, about 15% in the new Randstad model. Now moving on to the next slide. At the same time, we face a unique market situation. We faced some adversity in recent years and the graphs that I plotted on this slide explain why that happened. On the left graph, you see that in 2022, the number of temps in the U.S. economy of the total number of employees was 2.1%. Nowadays, it's about 1.5%, which means that over 1/4 of the market has dissipated in recent years. So the industry is cyclical. As you see in the graph, this has happened before, especially during the financial recession and during COVID, which -- what makes today's situation unique is that in 2008, we had 6 consecutive quarters of a downward market. In 2020, those were 2 or 3 quarters in which the market declined and then rapidly rebounded. But what makes this situation from recent years different than what we've been -- and what makes it unique is that from mid-2022, so nearly 12 or 13 quarters consecutively, the market has been declining. The good news is that the market is stabilizing. So we do see some improvement at present. 50% of Randstad is growing. That's good news. One year ago, it was 25%. And of course, we're working hard to make the 25% into 50% and then 75% and then 80% to 90% growth. So that's the challenge. The market has been extremely challenging. The graph at the right indicates how many people are recruited by companies in terms of permanent staff. You see that the number of permanent hirings, and that's also an important branch RPO recruitment process, outsourcing and permanent hiring are all under pressure. The context for this is that simultaneously with introducing our strategy and our transformation, we're coping with this. Now on the next page, you see something about the challenges that we faced in recent years and still face today. When the market declines and Randstad is known for this, we adapt the organization. to give you an impression. And last year, we had -- we reduced our annual operating cost by EUR 600 million. That's a substantial amount. At our peak in 2022, we employed 48,000. Today, we have 38,000 employees. So we adapt the organization to ensure that we have enough people to meet market demand. Next, digitization. You just saw on the video how that happens. We're busy implementing platforms where customers and talents can interact directly so that there's -- the customer always gets what he or she wants and talent has the flexibility to decide when and where he or she wants to work. At the same time, we're harmonizing our core systems because if you want to provide a good digital experience, you also need to structure your core systems properly, preferably on a global platform that's. Standardized all over the world. So that's another exercise. And in recent years, to give you an impression in numbers, we have invested about EUR 150 million per annum in new technology. And we did that to position Randstad for the future and to ensure that in 5, 10 and 15 years, Randstad remains relevant in the world of work and jobs. And the third challenge that came our way in the past 1.5 years, and you heard one of our staff members mention this on the video, of course, that's artificial intelligence. And we are introducing AI in various parts of the process. Many segments before somebody goes to work can be supported or even implemented by AI. But in our internal operations, in finance at our mid-office and our HR department, we can operate more efficiently and more effectively by implementing AI. So that's Randstad's third challenge. Now I'll briefly update you on where we stand since April because, of course, we did not stop working in April. We continued. So on to the next slide. And I'll plot the 5 pillars of our strategy, growth through specialization. We're firmly convinced that specialization is extremely important to serve customers and talent in the best possible way. It finding a nurse and placing that nurse in a job is entirely different from doing that for a software developer or a logistics service provider. So we have deployed those different branches in Randstad to ensure that the specialized teams work with the specialized buyers and customers. And we focus our specialization on our growth segments, which are now total a combined EUR 9 billion in revenue and are growing. In addition, we need to take good care of our talent and equity, 1.7 million talent placed, 8.1 million is our talent satisfaction score, and we need talent to feel at home at Randstad, and we need talent to understand that they'll benefit from the current and the next job as well as that they receive training and can network with Kindred spirits. So that's why for each specialization, we have deployed community talent, and that's very much appreciated by our temp staff and talent. Next, delivery excellence. I always say that delivering what you promise is Randstad's best market because if you promise your customers and talent and keep those promises, then the customer is happy to talk about more. And if you don't keep your promise to your talent, then your customer wants to talk with you about how you're going to solve that. And we have a state-of-the-art way to do that increasingly recruiting talent happens primarily online nowadays. The talent addresses social media and Internet. So that's where we find our talent. And sometimes they approach us via WhatsApp or e-mail or even by telephone. And we increasingly do this at what we call talent centers. In this building, there's a talent center for all of the Netherlands where all talents for our operational specializations such as bicycle careers, ball.com. They are founded and recruited in this building and presented to the customer or the branch or for other people related to the customer to get to work. We also have delivery centers and a delivery center is one team that addresses all retail customers in a country with various sites or addresses a single large customer to ensure that, that customer receives the best possible service. Some of that work may happen locally, so here in the Netherlands or in the United States. But increasingly, some of that work is performed at our global delivery centers in India, Budapest and Latin America. Next, the Randstad talent platform. I said EUR 4 billion revenue in digital marketplace is about 15% of our revenue. We'll continue rolling that out. Each year, 6 million shifts are selected by talent who say, I want to work there at those times, and that's about 500,000 a month. That's a huge number. And as I just said, we're rolling out our Randstad talent platform. Next, we always say we're the best team in the industry and 75% of our employees are now on a specialized career trajectory. So they focus specifically on finance, on skilled trade, on digital skills. And we have quite a few new leaders in our business that we recruited for specializations that we did not feature explicitly yet, and our employee engagement score is 7.7. So our employees are satisfied and that exceeds the benchmark in our industry. Now moving on to our next slide. Oh, I see there is no longer a next slide. To sum it up again, we have a clear strategy, and we know that, that strategy works, and we know that it works to scale. The main challenge at present in Randstad is to continue rolling out that strategy with rigor and discipline and focus. Jorge and I regularly visit shareholders, and they ask us all kinds of questions. But one of the most intriguing questions that I was asked recently when we were in New York was what is least known about Randstad? And my answer was we need to do a better job to tell you as our shareholders about our digital strategy and its benefits, and we need to quantify them. So we need to crunch those numbers for you, and we have a lot of work to do there. Another less well-known piece of information is that at Randstad because we place people in jobs with experienced abilities, we send people to jobs. And at the end of the day, they receive their pay. And that's a complex matter. And ultimately, that's a huge differentiator for us on the market. And it also makes it difficult to access our industry. So we have an underappreciated differentiator that is not always noticed on the market. I just wanted to share that one with you as well. Now what are our plans for the coming period? Of course, we're entirely focused on growth. We have told our shareholders in our conference call about a month back that we are basically on a plateau scenario. And the January figures augured modest growth. So that was caused for optimism. We'll continue with our talent families, and we'll make sure that we take good care of those talents because talent is becoming increasingly scarce. And I believe that whoever offered the best talent will have an edge on the market. We'll continue delivery excellence, and we'll continue scaling our Randstad talent platform, including artificial intelligence. And of course, we'll remain the best team. But as I say, the best team is increasingly complemented by AI, which means our 38,000 staff are trained in AI, and we ask them, look at how you do your work, what you do every week, what you do every month, what you do quarterly and how can AI support you in doing that work. And wherever I go, I hear wonderful stories about how AI is being applied in contact with talent in formatting resumes in drafting job description. These are relatively simple tasks and AI is able to provide a major contribution fairly straightforwardly to ensure that we do a better and more efficient job for our customers. So we're on track, and we're going to continue along this course with our partner for talent strategy.

Jorge Vazquez

Executives
#6

Good to see everyone. Good morning. Let me pick a few highlights. So Sander was clear we had probably now the longest decline in Randstad's history. That's basically the context in which we operated in 2025. But there's, I think, 2, 3 important remarks from, let's say, a financial performance perspective that I think speak for 2025, but also speak for 2026 and what's likely to come from our strategy. One is growth. So clearly, a decline. We did not have the growth we were planning for. At the same time, it's a different 2025 than it was in 2024 and 2023. We have growth in the United States in our operational business. That's almost half of our company in the United States. We have growth in digital -- Randstad Digital in the United States. We have continued to see growth in Spain. We continue to see growth in Italy. We continue to see growth in Japan. We continue to see growth in Eastern Europe. We continue to see growth in Latin America and many other parts. At the same time, for the third year in a row, we also see challenges here in the Netherlands, Germany, Belgium and France. But that's basically the context in which we come into 2026 and more a little bit about that later. The second one, and clearly, it's the fourth box there on the slide. We are in decline. So that means we need to do everything we can, both short term, but also not sacrificing medium and long term to protect our profitability. And in that, normally, we refer to that, remember, as adaptability. This year on the third year of decline was 71% -- and that is a number that is important to highlight because if we double-click on that, as you remember from talking many years together, normally, the ratio we can manage at Randstad and we strive for is this 50% mark. So this means are we able to basically protect x percent of our profit or the impact of less revenue and less gross profit in our profit. And this year, the 7% comes with a lot of difficult decisions, but there is one important difference from previous years is that the many changes that we do and Sander just explained from delivery excellence are enabling Randstad now in many of our markets where we are rolling out our strategy at pace to actually work smarter and to be able to do more with less and to be able to help our recruiters, our consultants, our talent advisers to achieve more with their efforts. The second point is also on the remaining part of our cost base, and we talked a lot about that in our Capital Markets event. I'm also in a way, happy to see that Randstad has taken the opportunity to become a leaner company as we step into 2026. So being able to basically look on how to optimize itself and free up capacity to actually fund growth and invest in growth and invest in our capabilities. The third point apart from growth and adaptability is what we call capital discipline. I'll talk more about that later. Strong cash flow generation. But more important to me, what that means is we're able to invest where we felt it was logical to invest. We were able to invest in skilled trades, invest in health care in many different markets, invest in engineering and not only in that, but also invest where, let's say, organically, we believe a lot of our strategic IT investments are needed. And more about that later as well, not only invest, but also take the opportunity in 2025 to reduce our debt and our leverage ratio. Now if we look in 2026 and Sander already alluded to it, a few important points. So clearly, further stability. we are in April, so we are almost in April. We can't talk a lot about what we see, but we spoke about January. We see stability more on growth in more than 50% of our business in our markets. We see clearly operational stabilizing and in growth, and we see the remaining 50% either improving or starting to annualize very difficult comparables. But it's also true that we live in a world that if we think we are done with uncertainty, it keeps on surprising us, I would say, almost every second week. So clearly, macro and geopolitical uncertainty are elevated. So the same attention that we had in 2025, we need to remain very clear that, that is absolutely critical in terms of adaptability into 2026. Also, I think important to highlight, these levels of uncertainty, together with fears of AI and, let's say, the deflationary potential impact it can have in our industry or in many other industries have had an impact on both on the pressure and the volatility of our share price. And as a result, our move out of the AX is something that is definitely regrettable. But our focus remains the same, position Randstad to capture growth through specialization centered on, that's growth, and we are going for it, continue to build the best team and the best talent service models and continue to operate a smarter and leaner Randstad. Financially, that means investing in growth, investing in the best propositions that the industry has and building structural scalability, make Randstad a a more scalable company so that we can grow and we can build more leverage and value in line with our mission. But let me double-click a little bit on our P&L and just put some numbers into the concrete 2025 performance. So the top line, we talked about it, EUR 23.1 billion. You see the decline of 2%, 2.5%. But clearly, we also talked about it. Sander showed 2 graphs. We showed what was happening in terms of the contingency side of the business. And there, as we just said, we see much more resilience. So in many of our clients, when they now look about the flexibility and how to plan for work in what they need throughout the year, they're coming from Randstad, and we see a strong start of the year when it comes to our contingency and flexibility solutions. On the other hand, our permanent hiring, and that's basically a global phenomenon at the moment, the labor markets are stuck. So permanent hiring and everything we do for permanent hiring is extremely, extremely down this year. Now that has an impact, as you can see on our gross profit and our gross margin because permanent hiring typically comes at very high percentages, 100% fee. And therefore, what we are managing is a minus 5% reality because that's the gross profit that's our net revenue. Now in that context, what probably I'm pleased to see from a responsibility perspective is that our operating expenses have matched that 5%. And as I just said, that met for not only because a lot of effort, but because structurally, Randstad is changing and we see the benefits of our strategy while still protecting a high investment agenda in our IT systems and where we want to grow. This resulted for an EBITDA of EUR 720 million, which is exactly the 3.1% we had in 2024. Now for that, we also incurred, as you can see on line below, EUR 125 million of integration costs and one-offs and unsurprisingly, primarily in the markets where we've been facing more challenges. So Northern Europe, Western Europe and primarily Central European countries. If we keep going down the P&L or the income statement, -- let me see that, as always, we an annual goodwill impairment test. And this year, we had a noncash goodwill impairment of EUR 9 million, specifically for our digital business or Randstad Digital business in Belgium. Now looking at the financing cost or the net finance costs, we see a normalization of EUR 79 million. Remember, last year, we recorded here the substantial fair value adjustments on the loans write-downs recognized with the joint venture. And also to be fair, while we committed significant financial effort last year and again this year and strategic focus over the years, the insolvency of the joint venture was also realized in mid-2025. Our effective tax rate for the full year landed at 30.9%, very well within the range we provide. And therefore, our adjusted net income for holders of ordinary shares reached EUR 442 million. This number is important because it plugs into our capital allocation policy and into our dividend proposal this year. Our free cash flow, as I mentioned before, improved to EUR 598 million, almost EUR 600 million, and our net debt and leverage ratio reduced to and 1.3x, respectively. With this in mind, let's turn to Slide 22, which contains our shareholder return proposal. As always, I highlight our capital allocation policy has 3 goals: one, as we just mentioned repeatedly, first and foremost, organic growth investments. There's nothing better in terms of allocation of cash for Randstad than growth through our own business. Second, ensure always a strong balance sheet; and third, ensure solid shareholder returns. In terms of organic growth investments, Sander alluded to it, we continue to invest in our growth segments, health care, logistics, skill trades and clearing and also in our strategic transformation. In terms of the balance sheet, I mentioned it before, the cash generated this year helped in reducing our leverage and our net debt. And in terms of shareholder returns, our dividend policy is very clear. It's embedded in our capital allocation policy, as you can see on the right-hand side of the slide. And our dividend policy targets a payout ratio of 40% to 50% of our adjusted net income with a conditional floor if the 40% to 50% do not get to that level of EUR 1.62 per share. As this year floor exceeds that particular threshold for 2025, we are proposing, therefore, the floor dividend of EUR 1.62 per ordinary share. Remember, we also have preference shares and the proposed payment on the pref B and D shares totals EUR 8.2 million. Pending approval today, this and the ordinary dividend will be paid in April 2026. But turning also to another part of our year, broader sustainability statements. And I'd like to say I'm pleased we talked significantly about it last year. I'm pleased to submit our second year, let's say, of sustainability statements in accordance with the Corporate Sustainability Reporting Directive, CSRD, for many here in the room. I also want to be clear, this is the second one in accordance to our CSRD. And at the same time, Randstad, and we've discussed this many times in the past, is at its core, managing on much broader impact than just financials. Sander alluded started the presentation. It's a long-term reporting basically on impact and on sustainability. For us, purpose and sustainability are drivers of long-term resilience, one hand, walk in hand with the other. And what I have here on this chart, and important this because we have, let's say, the material topics on light blue, you can see them there, the 5 plus 6 is net zero, but you also have how we look at it. So from a sustainability strategy of Randstad, we basically pursuing 3 core outcomes: partnering for fair and work partnering with integrity and partnering for a better planet. And I find important because all these material topics, find a home, find a place, find a discussion in Randstad through our sustainability strategy. Now important in 2025, remember, 2024 was basically a small update, a small refresh. But 2025, we had to do a full comprehensive refresh of our double materiality assessment. And we prioritized 5 key material topics. So those are the first in light blue there, as you can also read in our annual report. And it will not be surprising to you that once again, from all the interviews, all the external and internal input that we received, social ESG still is the one pillar that we feel will make a difference. Business ethics, you see there as well and the importance of digital technology, like Sander just alluded to it, are key topics for us now in terms of governance G. Now one area that received a lot of questions last year in terms of environment. And I want to make it clear, -- albeit not strictly a significant material topic compared to the other ones. For us, for our teams, for our people, when I travel, when I talk to people, there is one thing that is very important. It's our progress to net zero in 2050, and we continue to report on that. Albeit not being necessarily what we call accordingly strictly to CSRD, a material topic. And finally, to wrap up, 2, 3 important 2025 specific governance remarks. This was the first year of our new auditor, PwC. And there's always a good opportunity to learn, to test, to challenge, to reconsider our processes, to relook at our control framework, and it has been very good to work together. Our second point, our governance framework remains a cornerstone of our strategy. So as such, we have operated in full accordance with the Dutch Corporate Governance Code and our internal risk management and control systems are now effective in that respect, ensuring that they support our strategy and sustainable growth for. And pleased also to see that as part of CSRD and as part of how we evolve our sustainability statements, as I'm sure you had a chance to read, we're also subject not only to the normal internal assurance, but also to the external assurance from the auditor. And that concludes my prepared remarks, Ceec. Thank you.

Cees ´t Hart

Executives
#7

Thank you very much. After this extensive introduction, I suggest we proceed to agenda Item 2a, the report of the Executive Board, including the sustainability report and the report of the Supervisory Board for the financial year 2025. And I'm referring Pages 6 to 126 of the annual report. So I will give you the floor. You can ask questions. [Operator Instructions]

Cees ´t Hart

Executives
#8

Mr. Stephens.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#9

Mr. Chairman. To start, I would like to thank your staff for everything they have accomplished their performance this year, particularly the recruiters. I understand that they've pretty hard. I have some questions about ESG and the new law on temporary workers, taxes worldwide, working capital and the necessary recovery. Let me start. start with working capital. I think that was the most striking thing. I haven't realized this. I -- the Secretary who gave me a microphone just said that he'd worked here for 33 years. And then I realized that I've been attending the AGMs for 32 years. And so it was a mid-cap at the time. I hadn't realized that. So I didn't know any better. I just thought it was -- the shares were listed at the AEX. But then I looked at the share price and how that developed. Well, nothing to write home about. But it's better than at manpower. So I can tell you that I have quite a bit of experience with manpower, but it's rubbish. Working capital. A couple of years ago, I asked some questions about that. You pay out on a weekly basis. And if temporary workers want, they can be paid out once a month, but you send out your invoices later. And it takes a while for clients to pay. What strikes me is that there's an increasingly big gap between the 2 payment times. What are you going to do to reduce the gap? Because, well, cash is an issue and the first half year is always tricky because holiday payments need to be made. So I'd like to hear a bit more about your DSO days. And then if we look at turnover or revenue, 5% is what I see of working capital. We think that that's not a lot. And we also think that market recovery would be important. Well, you said quite a few things about that, but we would like to have more details. Something else that I've been hearing for 32 years is that we need to move from general to specialized services. But if I look at the graphs, we're still at the bottom of the market, the bottom end of the market and digitization, you talked about that. Something else that strikes us is that the number of employees doesn't -- isn't declining as fast as temporary workers. So how can AI help you to achieve more productivity? And then Scope 1, 2 and 3 Don't you think we should pull the plug here because I think it's useless. Europe left, Brazil, shamefully. And if I look at the food, we don't want Dutch food products anymore. I talked to an auction director in [indiscernible] Zal pomoand it's a disaster. Runner beans come from Senegal, blueberries from Peru. So we tend to opt for food stuffs from abroad. So I'm thinking how to deal with ESG. And then the new law on temporary workers. I'm a member of a professional association, and I read the report. How are you going to implement all of that? Because I'm thinking -- well, yes, you'll have to do the math to sort it. What about the bank holidays and a temporary worker is actually nowadays, the same thing as a permanent employee. So -- and then somewhere, I read about the worldwide tax rates. I think there's a bit of a problem here because we're living in a world of stiff competition. And we would like the different countries to compete more with each other and also in terms of taxes so that you can choose for yourself where to pay your taxes. And that way, you get more efficient governments. Well, that concludes my question so far or our questions so far.

Cees ´t Hart

Executives
#10

Thank you Mr. Steve. Thank you very much for your detailed questions. I suggest that we cluster a couple of questions, Jorge. First of all, the working capital.

Jorge Vazquez

Executives
#11

Can you hear me?

Cees ´t Hart

Executives
#12

Yes.

Jorge Vazquez

Executives
#13

There was something I'll use also with our sales teams because it's an important point. So it is working capital in 2025 has particularly come down. So if you look from 2024 to 2025. But the reality is Randstad is today a company that is at the moment, in this moment in the cycle, we have a lot of larger clients. So yes, in particular, the payment terms and the DSO side of the equation is higher. But we continue to do everything we can to optimize our total working capital. So as an example, you made a very good remark about your process to invoice or how expedited are you? So that's the payment term component. And yes, there is a pressure from clients, from -- in general, the world we live in. At the same time, there is still a lot of opportunity and for a lot of, let's say, the process we are optimizing in addressing our time to invoice and make sure that, for instance, with new systems, we invoice right the first time, and there's a lot of effort in optimizing the working capital. The first step was this year -- the point is Randstad has a balanced tax approach. We publish always next to our annual report, our tax report, and we've been doing this now for a few years. The principle is very simple where we create value, where we create value in the market, then it's where we should we should tax. We always guide for a quite stable tax rate. And that's the rate as well that we stick for 2026.

Alexander van't Noordende

Executives
#14

Thank you. On withSander. Market recovery, specialization and it. First of all, the market, perhaps, as I said in my introduction, 50% of Randstad is growing right now. So that means that the market has already recovered there. And if we then look at where that's happening in Southern Europe, Italy and Spain. That's where it is. And so between 5% and 10% growth is what we're achieving there. And the United States and is also growing. So we see that the market in those countries has already recovered. So where are the challenges? Our challenges are located in the heart of Europe, Germany, France, Netherlands markets for us, as you know. So we're doing everything we can in order to make sure that we visit our clients as often as possible and do the best possible job. But we also depend on what's going on in the economies. Germany is a matter of waiting for the big chunk of money, the investments in infrastructure, investments in defense, for instance, and similar dynamics is what we see in France, the Netherlands and Belgium, I would venture to say. And how that will pan out? Well, that's very difficult to say. The market seems to stabilize. That's our feeling. And another issue is, of course, the conflicts in the Middle East. Now that doesn't help our clients in general. And if this continues for a longer period of time, that will have an impact on the amount our clients sell or produce and transport, and that obviously will have an impact on us. And so we hope that there will soon be an agreement in the Middle East so that the world economy can proceed in a positive way, to put it that way. Specialization. You highlighted that about 2/3 of our business in Randstad is in Randstad operational and you characterize it as the bottom of the market. I wouldn't put it that way. It's an excellent sector. We are market leaders worldwide, and we do so very efficiently. And it's also a very profitable activity for us, a very profitable operation in Randstad. And then, of course, we have the professional digital specialization and also enterprise teams that work with large clients in terms of recruitment and workforce is at scale and to manage all that for our clients. So the specialization strategy will remain. It's very important. It all depends on how the demand develops in the different areas and how we invest in the different specializations and how growth will develop there. Now as far as digitization is concerned, digitization really certainly helps in increasing productivity in our most digital operation. This is a company here in the Netherlands that we acquired recently. So productivity is two or threefold the productivity in our traditional business. So we have the potential, absolutely. And Jorge actually already said that. If the market declines, obviously, we have to reduce our cost, but we can't do that at the same pace as the gross profit declines. So that's why we're focusing on the 50% to 70%. And that really explains the number of employees, the number of FTEs. That is not entirely up to scratch. The productivity is really not at the level it should be. So we need to work harder at that.

Cees ´t Hart

Executives
#15

Sander, thank you. The new law on temporary workers. Vazquez us, could you say something about that?

Jorge Vazquez

Executives
#16

Well, I'm going to split my answer into 2 big blocks. One is about the process, what is the law, what is the impact and how we manage the situation. And the other thing is about what's going to be the impact of the law in the market. Talking about the law itself. Well, the law at the end of the day, because we had premium pensions, we have a new -- a completely equal pay with the CLAs in the industry, and that brings that the salaries are going to be increased in average. This is what is very relevant between 10%, 11%. I say in average because it's depending on the customer industry, CLA, whatever it can be 5%, it can be 20%. So that was a challenge. So we had 4 big blocks in order to organize the work is to understand perfectly from the legal point of view, what are the obligations for Randstad. The second thing was to talk to the customers and to share with them what are the new obligations that we are going to be obliged to work with and to apply in our customers. That was a very tough and military work done for maybe from September to December. And then we start with the challenges. It was a technical challenge also because we need to change all the systems. We need to have more people to know exactly what is going to be the impact of this new law in each one of the CLAs in each one of the customers. Luckily, this is done. The technical challenge has been fixed. We have been having all the conversations with the customers. And then the fourth one in this process, in all the process is the commercial conversations with customers. because not every customer is very happy if you increase the cost by 10%, 11%. average, some customers is going to be 11%. So right now, from the technical point of view, we have done everything. All our obligations are in place. It has been hard. We have to invest in tech and in people in order to be on time because that was mandatory from January 1. So the first week of the year, we pay with a new low, obviously. And right now, we are closing our commercial conversations with the customer. The process is almost done. There's still some negotiations pending, but it's more or less, I would say, completely in control. There are some large customers still pending if we can translate the cost -- the margin increase into the customer. So this is process-wise. Then the second big question would be what's going to be the impact of this new labor law in the market? Is the market going to be impacted by the new labor law? Well, at this moment, we haven't seen any difference between the Q4 or Q3, Q4 and Q1 performance in the Netherlands. We are more or less with the same volumes. I would share with you that we don't have customers buying our services because they don't need that or because they are cheap. Any customer that is asking for talent is because they need some talents to do the work. The experience that we have in other European countries, 3, 4 years ago, we had a similar labor change in Spain with the outsourcing business. And what we saw is that the impact in the volumes wasn't impacted. So too early to say that it is not going to be impacting the volume in the Netherlands. But what we see is that today, there is no impact in the volume and process-wise, everything has been done in the proper way.

Cees ´t Hart

Executives
#17

Thank you all for. Thank you. And questions on ESG and stopping Scope 1, 2 and 3, well, that is out of our control. As you know, that is to be addressed at a European level. So I think we should leave it at that. Thank you for your questions. Let's proceed to the next question, Marc Zwartsenburg.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#18

I'm Luca [ Ros. ] I'm here on behalf of the Association of Investors for Sustainable Development. And we would like to ask some questions about the sustainability report that was in your annual report. And I'm going to ask my questions in English. I'll read them out in English, if that's all right with you. The first question concerns living wage as, "One of the most active advocates in the industry for protecting labor rights and ensuring people everywhere have access to fair and decent jobs that provide living wages". Randstad has executed living wage pilots in Poland and India and has developed a road map in 2024, which the VBDO very much applauds. However, little information is publicly accessible about these projects, and VBDO sees great value in transparency and knowledge sharing between peers and sectors and think that it would also suit Randstad's role as one of the world's most active advocates on this topic. Think of how to engage with suppliers, on how to convince them to participate in such pilots, which methodology has been used, et cetera. So we would like to ask you whether Randstad would consider making these learnings publicly accessible or accessible for other industry members. And apart from knowledge sharing, the VBO would also encourage Randstad to share the interim targets and milestones that are part of the road map and report on the progress. So the question is, would Randstad be willing to start reporting on this in the next annual report? The second question is related to the CSRD. And VBDO has seen that Randstad indeed has put significant steps towards adhering to the CSRD reporting requirements. And an important part of this is stakeholder engagement. In 2025, we saw that Randstad has diversified the methods applied for stakeholder engagement and besides surveys also engaged with stakeholders through dialogue. But it remains a bit unclear which topics are exactly discussed with specific stakeholder groups and what concrete insights have derived from those engagements and how those insights, again, have been taken along in the process of, for example, the double materiality assessment. On Page 84 of the annual report, it's, for example, visualize that in the last phase of the DMA the prioritization and the concluding of which topics were material was solely done by the Executive Board. So the questions are, will Randstad in its next annual report provide more insight into the topics that have been discussed with different stakeholder groups and how their specific interests have been considered? And especially regarding the stakeholder category society, it remains a bit too unclear for us which parties are considered to be NGOs. And we would like to encourage Randstad to publish a list of the NGOs that have been taken along in the engagements.

Cees ´t Hart

Executives
#19

Thank you very much. Miriam, would you mind to talk about Live alone?

Miriam van der Heijden

Executives
#20

Yes. Thank you. I will start, and then on the CSRD reporting, Jorge may add also some points. So on the living wage to start with. First of all, we remain actively engaged, obviously, with living wage, both for talent and for our employees, as you said. We have indeed a plan that we started to share, I think, in the last AGM, or 2 years ago. In terms of the talent, we work on AOE and employees. We count on the AOE definition that will be issued, we expect in the course of this year, and that was what shared also in the last AGM. We will apply definitely the definition of the calculation based on that. But in the meantime, obviously, we are taking actions for talent, particularly we comply 100% with the local minimum wages in all the countries where we operate. And we also actively participate in social dialogue for collective agreements. In addition to that, as you mentioned, we have started pilots in some countries, in a couple of countries and with some large clients who some of them appreciated the transparency and the openness and the productivity of us reaching out to them, partnering on that topic. On the employees, as I said last time, tech is absolutely important for us if you want to do debt calculation and really reliable and auditable calculation or assessment on living wage and the equity, actually. So the tech road map was mentioned also in the last AGM. I'm pleased to say that in the meantime, we have progressed and we have completed the first phase of the work implementation in 3 main countries: Spain, India, and Switzerland. So that is definitely part of the road map that we continue to follow. And as I said, we are now looking forward to the AOE definition to continue to build. In terms of transparency, we are in a pilot phase, as I mentioned. So we also need internally to learn about it. And this is, I can ensure you a topic, and you have seen in Jorge's presentation, one of the pillar of our sustainability strategy, and it is reviewed on the agenda of the Sustainability Committee. As we continue to learn, we will decide the road map for communication, external communication. Thank you.

Jorge Vazquez

Executives
#21

Thank you. I think it's a good proposal. Let me reflect first on the process of this year. So, it was discussed indeed or decided or debated with EB, but it's a multifunctional team. And just to be absolutely clear, the whole process, both the internal consultations and the external consultation was led by an independent partner, together with us, of course, or together with a multifunctional team. So from a perspective of having an unbiased view on the feedback we were receiving. I actually -- I'm pretty convinced we made a very step -- good step forward with this year's comprehensive refresh. Just to put a little bit some numbers into perspective, we said how many and what we've interviewed, or we've collected feedback from more than 2,000 clients. 20,000 talent at work, so basically 20,000 talents on our throughout the world. 2,000 also internal FTEs. So from a breadth perspective of the process, I think it's the second year of the CSRD, but I can see us making a step up. Now indeed, going forward, 2026, what do we have? We have a survey refresh, right? We're going to have to do the full assessment. We're trying to basically make sure that the process improves year after year. We will consider internally to indeed disclose more of the feedback we received. It's a good suggestion. Thank you.

Cees ´t Hart

Executives
#22

Thank you. Next question. Please state your name for the minutes.

Robert Vreeken

Attendees
#23

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. I'm Robert Vreeken from We Connect You. I am delighted with this top team, which is achieving wonderful results and is able to deliver. But what I don't seem to be hearing is we're in a cascade of crises. In 1973, we experienced the oil crisis, and we learned very quickly because 50 years later, we are in a mega oil crisis. In 1972, we had a report to make the world sustainable, 50 years later, we're in a mega sustainability crisis because in 2015, we had agreed not to exceed 1.5% global warming on earth. And 10 years later, that's where we are. And that is an enormous threat to our economy and to Randstad, and you can do something about this, because we have a CFO and a CCO from Latin America. And that's where the biggest forest in the world is you have the Amazon, and you can make a difference there. I'd like to add that in Suriname, that country consists 95% jungle. Much money can be earned there. The oil industry is coming and Randstad should stay on top of it because much can be earned and much can be made sustainable and much can be preserved. And I didn't hear anybody mention India. We're in a huge oil crisis and hardly a drop of petrol is entering India anymore. And I think that certainly merits our attention I think you mentioned that number of temps is down. Two years ago, there were 620,000, now it's only about 607,000, and we need a lot of people. Over half of the Netherlands is over 50 years old, and many people are happy to work 8, 12 or 16 hours a week. And you could find a lot of additional temps that way. In addition, globally, I'm in dialogue with senior government officials and people in corporate industry. And I'm worried about cybercrime consider Odido and AI because AI magnifies the use of water and energy. It's almost impossible to keep up that and it's causing decertification in the landscape, and Randstad could address streamlining that those were my items thus far. So please ensure that we become energy independent, both gas and oil, and Randstad could do a lot to achieve that expand in Latin America, plant new forests. And you certainly can make a difference there, and open far more branches and countries globally because you're doing such a wonderful job that much of your profit could be used to expand and temps should not be diminishing, rather. You need far more temps all over the world. That's a wonderful challenge. And you've got what it takes. Sander.

Alexander van't Noordende

Executives
#24

Thank you for your point, Mr. Vreeken. Let me start with a minor adjustment, Mr. Vazquez [indiscernible] are not from Latin America. They're from Latin Europe, specifically Portugal and Spain, but that aside. And yes, we do excellent business in Brazil, Argentina, in Chile and Latin America. Those are the markets that we're focusing on, and we'll stick with those for the time being. We do not intend to open branches in other countries. Of course, we do maintain close ties and deeply empathize with Suriname. I regretted when I do hear this morning that Suriname has not qualified for the championship, but instead a different South American country did that with Bolivia. So we don't have plans to open branches in Suriname. Now regarding India. India, it has the second highest number of staff in of all of Randstad plus a great many people working for our customers, tens of thousands of work for our customers in India. So it's certainly an attractive market for us, and we're very active there. Next, employees over 50. You're entirely right. Employees, the most rapidly -- the biggest labor market increase among a group of employees is among those over 50 in the past years. And more and more of that group of employees also works for Randstad. And that's a good news for our people. It's also good news for the world. As for cybercrime, a few years ago, we did appoint a new Chief Information Security Officer, who got straight to work, and we did not have any incidents in the past years. So we are achieving good progress there. Now about water and energy, we are doing our bit, but to be quite honest, what we use is limited on a global scale, but according to our CSRD reports, you'll note that we are doing our bit there.

Cees ´t Hart

Executives
#25

Next, I propose, if you would bring that gentleman on the second row the microphone. Here you are.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#26

Good morning. I'm Mr. Keyner. I speak on behalf of the VEB. Prior to this meeting, another shareholder addressed me and said often, you criticize companies. Don't you have any good news? So if I criticize you too much then it might be because I'm verbally awkward. I don't just -- I'm not trying to disparage your company or the way you're pursuing progress. I do have some concerns. It's not because you're doing all kinds of things wrong, but perhaps we're past the peak, the golden era of Randstad. And I am surprised in a good way that temp work can still be such a large industry and so profitable, but perhaps -- and I said this about 4 years ago, when your predecessor, Jack van den Broek was leaving with on a very high note and an excellent share price that his successor, Mr. Noordende might usher in a decline of Randstad, not because you're doing a bad job, but because the business has changed and the way that people are placing jobs have changed fundamentally. So my first assertion and feel free to deliver your pitch about this, Randstad has passed its peak. The golden era is over. And if you could turn that around, a radical restructuring would be necessary. You don't need to have a physical temp agency, perhaps what you've said previously about torque, might be the way forward, but the rest of the organization would need to be discontinued as quickly as possible. Please I'd like to hear your views on that. The second relates to AI, artificial intelligence. In the past, when you spoke about automation and new business model, is mainly concerned blue-collar workers, people in the factories who are made redundant. There was automation and robots were introduced, and the general expectation is that AI will have its greatest impact on clerical jobs office work. And that's the professional branch that you -- but what is more likely to be protected are the few remaining factory workers and a few call centers plus some logistics staff and health care workers. And Assertion 2, which may contradict the first one is that Randstad is going back in time, and that's where the opportunities are and the hands that you cannot replace with an algorithm or what you might be able to replace very easily and efficiently with a robot, maybe that's where the future of Randstad lies. And third, I keep trying to emphasize the same point, the business model for Randstad in the future relates to a comment from Mr. Van 't Noordende during his introduction today with a huge investor asked him what is little known about Randstad, and what I understood, but correct me if I'm wrong, that's the barrier. It's not that easy to place a human being at an employer, have that human being do the work, get paid and for some of it to trickle down to Randstad as the mediator. I beg to differ. If you look at the past temp agencies were everywhere, every little town and every high street had a temp agency. I worked for several years for temp agencies and I did factory work. So somebody that is mediated by Randstad or by Tempo-Team, I know the drill. I was surprised that this still happens shouldn't this be discontinued and become entirely digitized and have been on digital marketplaces? If what Mr. van 't Noordende is describing is true, it's a barrier. You can't place people in jobs and see the bottom line that easily. Why if you're the market leader, are the margins so low? The EBITDA margin, and your ambition for 20 years has been between 5% and 6%, but it's not within reach. If that barrier is so huge, why are you structurally unable to achieve that 5% to 6% margin? I sound more critical than I intend to because I'm not -- I don't mean you're doing a bad job, but it's virtually impossible to achieve greater profitability or higher growth.

Cees ´t Hart

Executives
#27

Thank you. You formulated that very clearly, Mr. Keyner. Thank you. Sander could talk about this until the cows come home. And I'm sure he'd love to do that, but I'll ask him to be short and snappy.

Alexander van't Noordende

Executives
#28

Yes, I'll do my best, Mr. Keyner. Thank you very much for your questions. Those are exactly the same questions that we think about every day, day after day, saying that Randstad has passed its peak, the golden era is over. Well, I would say that Randstad is facing more golden eras and peaks than have passed. And you said that Randstad should change and that's exactly what we're doing, it relates to the specialization that we've discussed repeatedly and digitization that we also spoke about. That's a transformation that takes time and a transformation, I always say in Randstad, where there's an old Dutch saying, I don't count your chickens before they hatch. We have to deploy that new model, and then transform the business accordingly. And it's good to see that we have 3 significant businesses that follow that digital structure. And recently, we appointed a Chief Digital Growth Officer, that's David Cook. He's in the back of the room, he arrived from Booking.com. And I'm sure you know that platform. And he is going to help us with our transformation. So, we're working on that now about AI. You're right that the impact on work will be most pronounced in clerical jobs software development, customer service, marketing, design and the like. That's about 10% of our business. So that's the challenge that Randstad faces, and that's why we've defined our growth segments and our growth segments in Randstad operational are logistics as well as for craftsmen. Think of plumbers, maintenance staff, service staff in factories. Think of the people working at data centers, electricians and the like in professional. So our health care business is growing. Engineering, obviously, for all infrastructure works that need to take place worldwide and, of course, Randstad Digital with all the digital skills. So we do focus our specializations where we see growth and where we come from. Randstad Operational is 2/3 of our business, and we're perfectly optimistic because we excel at this. We understand that digital model. And we're convinced that those digital models will give us edge on the market, what will distinguish us. Now to your final point, it's all very easy to open up a temp agency with 10, 20 or 30 people. But when technology becomes increasingly important, it becomes more difficult to access the market and consolidation will take place. And we want to guide that technology using our platforms.

Cees ´t Hart

Executives
#29

Okay. Next question, the gentleman over there. Yes.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#30

Good morning. I'm Jay Salo. Thank you for your explanation and for that fascinating video about your AI initiatives. My question also relates to AI because my question goes a bit further than what you mentioned in the video and told us. To what extent does the Board see AI as it means to improve the current business model versus a fundamental shift in the Randstad model? So what I mean is, do you expect AI to optimize margins. Or would you expect it to structurally change Randstad's role into a technology-driven platform, because that will have various implications for long-term value creation, for example?

Alexander van't Noordende

Executives
#31

Thank you, Mr. Sato. I'm glad that you asked that question because you're right. AI merely to improve and accelerate the current process is a dead-end street because nowadays, people may send 600 letters of application through AI. I received them in my inbox now, and then they receive a reply from AI, then they have to come for an interview that's also conducted by AI. And ultimately, there's only one job. So you get a wiz of AI-driven activities because that's possible. That's not a sustainable trajectory. So our model is to take it from the top. We ensure immediate talent availability, and we make sure that we've got that talent on board before you as a customer state tell us what you need. So our customers in the United States that, for example, the UPS distribution center will enter request for x number on Monday morning and x number of people on Monday afternoon. And then we have a talent who's already organized on board and is ready to go and has the papers and says Monday morning, I'll be there. That's the model. So basically, we're reversing the model. We have talent and demand addresses the talent. So we're going to reverse the sequence in demand.

Cees ´t Hart

Executives
#32

Yes. Okay. Next to the third row, please. Mr. Spanier.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#33

Okay. Now it is me. I'm Mr. Spanier for the minutes. And I read the annual report, too. But the form Board is deeply -- excuse me, the preface is deeply disappointing because you write at length about Frits Goldschmeding, but the current CEO is doing exactly the opposite because for 11 or 12 consecutive quarters, we have heard nothing, but poor financials in finance. And the stock exchange is very clear and stated exactly what people think of Randstad. And then the third paragraph in that same preface, we see what is this about a talent shortage, Mr. Frits Goldschmeding trained the talent. He had a training program for welders and he would train welders, and when they were good enough, then they would go to the shipping companies, and they would be assigned. They were good for the economy at that point. So there was never a shortage of talent. That's not true. You're snoring. But let's put the current CEO in perspective when he arrived on March 2021, the rate was EUR 20.60. Now it's about EUR 23. So that's disastrous for investors. And we've been heavily penalized. And then what about geopolitical problems, No, if you simply have a training program for lorry drivers or electricians. They can work 1.5 meters apart because we need lower drivers for action, the action chain, and for the Aldi chain, and the Jet will improve supermarket because we all need to eat and consume, and we can do our shopping at 1.5-meter distance from each other. So there's plenty of decent work. And in the same preface, you mentioned excellent services. How are these services excellent? The share price keeps plummeting. Do you call that excellent services for the market? Please reply.

Alexander van't Noordende

Executives
#34

You're crystal clear, Mr. Spanier, I always am. thank you for your questions. Now first, at the beginning of the presentation in this meeting, I described market trends in the past 3 years. And I said that we're in an exceptionally long cycle of market decline, from 2022 until today, roughly 1/4 of the market has been dissipated. So the situation has been extremely challenging on the market. And of course, that did impact the results in keeping with our Randstad tradition and targets, we tried to curtail costs as best we could. I said that we cut EUR 600 million in costs at the organization. You're right about the share price. Let me point out -- and Mr. Stevens just mentioned that if you compare our total return to shareholders with that of our peers, we are outperforming our competitors. We're not satisfied with the trend in the share price, but you need to see this in perspective and relate it to what's happening in this industry. That's important. As for the talent shortage, the market is currently declining for staff but in some market segments such as lorry drivers and forklift drivers and welders, et cetera, that's -- there's a shortage of them. And that's why we're addressing those markets and making sure that we train those people to place them in jobs. So we have already taken that tip seriously, and that's part of our daily work. So long story short. We have a strategy, which is that digitization and specialization in new models. Our market situation is challenging. We expect the market to stabilize and to improve for the future. And when the time comes, we'll benefit from that. Our industry is cyclical. And at this point, we're at the nadir, we're bottoming out in that cycle.

Cees ´t Hart

Executives
#35

Let me continue with people who haven't asked a question so far.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#36

I'm a shareholder. I'm [indiscernible]. I represent the former Monster employees. Monster, as you know, it's a subsidiary that was closed down last fall. During this introduction, Mrs. Beatove presented all the good things that Randstad is doing for its current employees, but I would like to share with you a couple of things, a couple of words on what Randstad did not do for its former employees. In September 2024, Randstad entered a joint venture agreement with the American Private Equity Fund Apollo, merging Monster with Randstad. And in this -- at the moment, it was announced that Monster -- sorry, Randstad have found the right partner for Monster. And in this equity data, in this joint venture, they took 49%. So just one word towards who was a CareerBuilder. CareerBuilder was a company that had been purchased by Apollo in 2017. And in typical private equity style has been stripped to the bone, selling all the liquid assets, valuable and liquid assets. At the moment of the merger, the company was spinning by 40% year-on-year. Its turnover, it was overloaded with debt carrying a 10% interest. And the value of the debt was 150% the turnover of the company due for repayment less than 2 years after the rules. So that was the ideal partner. So from the very beginning, the only interest of Monster in this joint venture was to offload Monster getting a minority shareholding, minority stake in order to justify the loss of operational control. But then there is another point, how do you manage when you merge a company that is much more valuable than CareerBuilder to get a minority share. But pretty simply by creating artificial depth of Monster towards Randstad. So basically, by doing this, you become -- Randstad became at the same time, a shareholder and a creditor. The management was so confident in this joint venture that 3 months later, 86% of the debt was depreciated in the accounts. And a few months later, 100% became -- was depreciated. So on top of enabling Randstad to become a minority shareholder, this also enabled Randstad to get valuable tax assets. So you gain basically on two fronts. Now what is important here to stress is that at no point in time, despite what is stressed, runs that ever thought about really giving a new chance to Monster. Since day 1, the only objective with their partner, was to close down the business while a minimizing its cost, maximizing the tax assets and not taking any responsibility towards its former employees. So at the moment, just at the moment of the Chapter 11, Monster, the joint venture carried the $360 million of debt, $135 million from Carrier Builder, $225 million from Monster and towards Randstad. All this carried a 10% interest rate. And we don't need to have a PhD in finance to understand that when we have a company with a combined turnover of $200 million, which needs every year to produce more than $30 million just to pay the interest there are less -- there are a few chances that there is success, especially as you have two companies with problems. So I would say it's pretty sad to see the founder of the company, Frits Goldschmeding was quoted a couple of times at the core of there was of his principle, the respect for the people, social responsibility, transparency and integrity, and how did this management play in our story. Complete disrespect for the former employees despite Sander always claiming that he's creating the most equitable talent company. No social responsibility as the company basically relied on the public funds to bail out only partially its former employees across Europe, always shielding behind excuse. We do not have any operational control. And three, full lack of integrity as since Day 1, this joint venture was just as come to get rid of Monster at low cost. So I will go close quickly to the conclusion. [indiscernible] Is not against all the company of Randstad that because I have the privilege to work for 15 years, first as a vendor then as an employee and there are plenty of valuable, highly professional people in this company. But now there is the direction that the company has taken is not the right one. And I have to say that many, many managers in the company, they have been ashamed of what has been done, and they had a lot of people reaching out to me privately to express the solidarity. In conclusion, so with -- actually, the previous person mentioned the collapse in share price. Nobody mentioned in this room for the moment. It was mentioned Manpower, but Adecco was never mentioned. Nobody claims that the market is very difficult currently, but Adecco is -- I mean it seems that now they regained the global leadership. So somebody is doing a better business in this industry in difficult conditions. Despite all this, the -- there's been a pretty hefty pay rise agreed for the CEO, for the Board. However, there is -- there are no sense for its former employees. So dear shareholders, my conclusion is that I do not believe that this management is quoting a famous the economist cover page. I don't think this management is fit to lead the company. Thank you very much. And others, I had already asked quite a few technical questions, and I got the answers.

Alexander van't Noordende

Executives
#37

Thank you very much. Over to you, Jorge.

Jorge Vazquez

Executives
#38

Thank you. There's a lot of inaccuracies in how you brought that. You have all the questions answered, as you rightly said in writing to you. But I'd just like to kind of restate a few points we've made and put it into perspective. And the first point is we acted with absolute conviction throughout all the time and the journey we had with Monster since 2016, as we discussed. In 2022, as we also discussed, we were very clear in terms of strategy. We have 4 specializations. We don't have 5. And Monster, we felt during all the changes that have been happening in the market since 2016, in terms of technology, in terms of marketing, we were not the right owners for Monster. So the options and the choice was clear, pursue the right owner and the right house for Monster. As you very well know, we tried to sell it several times, and we basically had bankers and the whole market approach from that respect. And we indeed found the right strategic fit with CareerBuilder which was not much smaller than us. And it was right on we said actually a better performing company than the Monster core job boards. By combining the #3 and #4 job orders, we explained to all employees, in the United States. That made it a strategic fit and a logical step for it. We reviewed all the business plans with a look at all the cases, and we were convinced and acted that this is the right path for Monster. However, and regretfully, it did not turn out as we hoped. So as you very well know, since we started the conversations at the beginning of 2024, basically, as we go into the end of '24, quarter after quarter, month after month, the whole market in job Board kept on deteriorating exactly for the very same reasons that Sander just alluded to in what was happening in the market. And that meant that the very all scenarios we had in terms of expectations kept on deteriorating. Then again, we chose what you call loans to do another injection to make sure that the company could restructure and guarantee that more employees will go from work to work and make sure that we prolong the life of the company to exactly do what we wanted to do to integrate the two. We continued in this process in 2025. And again, month after month, the market -- the whole market, and therefore, our performance as well kept on deteriorating. Once again, we then basically relegated all the collateral we had to make sure that the company could orchestrate in itself, the joint venture could orchestrate in itself an orderly sales process through Chapter 11. Most -- or the vast majority of the jobs were basically sold and found now new owners and new companies. And regretfully, indeed, there is a small part of the employees that did not find that. That part of the employees, we are not the owner of the company anymore, and we've discussed this. At the same time, there are national systems and legal processes in every country to cater and to care for these processes. And we, from a fiduciary duty perspective, we cannot now voluntarily intervene in a relationship that we are a minority shareholder. All the answers are on your document and are probably online to you. And that regretfully, find ourselves in this situation after quarter after quarter, year after year, have been invested, protect and tried everything we could do to see success for Monster and to see success for all the employees of Monster that so many years worked with us. Thank you.

Cees ´t Hart

Executives
#39

Thank you. Let's continue with the first round at the back of the room.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#40

I spoke here as a temporary worker to alert management and shareholder about the situation of temporary worker in upfront and about the needs of dialogue with people in the field. Two years later, the situation is still warning. In France, in our area, we have seen about 20% drop in activity, around 25% fewer permanent employees and the accident rate of temporary workers remain high. Today, I am here with my colleagues, who are also temporary worker. Our presence here comes from our customer commitment. This is not a unit initiative. We simply want to open a responsible dialogue about the reality in the field. We feel that decision taken only from the top have reached their limit. A company cannot be managed only from above without listing to the people. We work every day in the agency assignment. Two years ago, we asked for a direct dialogue with people in the field. Today, we say must see a clearly that no direct dialogue has been established since day. We need a direct dialogue with Mr. [indiscernible]. So my first question is sample. Is the group management together with the shareholder now ready to finally open a direct dialogue with employer in the field and a temporary worker in order to find concrete solution for the future of the company? My second question is about workplace safety. Work accident among temporary workers remain high and represent not only a human issue but also an important economic cost for the company, for clean, for society. What specific objective has Randstad set in France to reduce the costs related to accident involving temporary worker and what concrete actions are being implemented to reach this objective? I believe this question is also an important for shareholders, because preventing accident is both human responsibility and a matter sustainable economic performance. A global company like Randstad cannot success in the long term without the listing to the people who make the company work every day.

Cees ´t Hart

Executives
#41

[Foreign Language] Miriam, over to you.

Miriam van der Heijden

Executives
#42

Yes. Thank you. And indeed, a good discussion this morning. So let me address your questions. First of all, in terms of dialogue, as you know, we have a culture that really values dialogue and this is very important for us. For that, we have a structural way and informal way to do it. So this morning conversation was helpful. But we have also social partners in countries that are elected by the employees, and we really value those social partnership in countries to share the information in an orderly manner. As it relates to France, in particular, we are today, as you know, in negotiations to renew. We have an electoral protocol that is very strict and requires unanimously sign off by the trade unions. . At the present, this is not the case. And therefore, the negotiations are going on. As we discussed this morning, I expect in the course of '26, we will be there because we are making already a good progress. In the meantime, we have extended the mandate of the employee representatives. And this is important because it allows the representation body to still operate in a very normal way with our local management, obviously. So that's for that part. As part of that dialogue, actually, there were questions about a desire from some trade unions to reach an agreement that aligns with the future operating model, and that's important. So we have already established consultations in the past months, and that continues to be -- as you know, one of the pillar of the strategy, we mentioned this earlier on, is specialization. And we are working in France, like other countries to the future operating model, specifically in OTS and PTS to strengthen the specialization that framework that we have. And again, this is done in consultation with our social partners. And actually, meetings are going on, and there is another one next week. And that will clarify to your point, the role of the branches, the role of the in-house delivery centers, digital marketplace. So that's exactly the core of the discussion with our social partners. When it relates to health and safety, we mentioned this earlier on in the sustainability topic. Clearly, this is at the core of our sustainability strategy. It's one of the pillar. And it's very important for us, both for our employees, but also for the temporary workers. And in France, in particular, we are taking preventive actions, but that's across all countries. That goes from training to specific webinars and so on information that's practice sharing also with our clients. We have in France KPIs that we measure closely like in any countries. And specifically in France, what we see is that we are achieving the best results from the past years. So specifically, we have a frequency rate that we measure, that is the number of accidents at work, and this has reached the lowest level since we started to measure that KPI in the past years. We also measure preventive index in France, that is the percentage of temporary workers without accident. And again, this year, in 2025, we have achieved the best level ever in France. So we continue the effort, and thank you for the dialogue and keeping us true to that goal. Thank you.

Cees ´t Hart

Executives
#43

Thank you very much. Yes.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#44

Thank you. As I said, my name is Keyner France. Someone talked to me prior to the meeting, and I recognize this gentleman from 2 or 3 years ago. I'm an absolute capitalist. So if there are discussions between workers or employees or intermediaries I'd say, "I want my money or I want a job." I will never choose for the employees. But on the other hand, Randstad should not facilitate that people be sent to unsafe environments. So if you have clients that cannot guarantee that people can work safely in a safe environment, in a factory, for instance, I don't want that as a shareholder. And the fact that this gentleman was here a couple of years ago with the comparable comment is something that worries me. So I really hope you take his comments to heart. And this is something I, as a capitalist, I don't -- really don't want to go that far. People need to be able to go to work safely. And then I'd like to comment on what Mr. Spanier said. Well, it was his typical way, it's a very direct way of putting things perhaps a bit aggressive. It doesn't mean to say that he is wrong. He's not wrong in the fact that the share performance of Randstad has not been very good over the past few years. In my own intervention, I put things into perspective. Of course, the market is tricky. We have had COVID and now we have Iran, and we have all these new crisis that we're going to face over the next few years. Having said that, for a number of years, at least 20 years, you've been saying that you have targets for profitability, EBITDA margin between 5% and 6%. I understand that you would not be able to pull that off within a couple of years. But now decades have gone by and still it's 3.1% right now. And that has been calculated in a positive way because the one-off costs that keep recurring that are not that one-off have not been deducted. So in actual fact, the performance is a lot worse. And the question I have right now is not a question to the Executive Board, but to the Supervisory Board, how much patience are you going to have with the current Executive Board if it turns out that in over the next 2 years, 3 years with this strategy, or new strategy that you can't even hit the 5% or 6% and that you will be lagging behind around 3% without executions 3 years with this strategy, including the one-off cost of restructuring, et cetera, how much more patients will you have? The Chairman, health and safety. I think that's more important than the margins I would venture to say. So -- and this is a main issue for the company. So I want Sander to once again emphasize that.

Cees ´t Hart

Executives
#45

Thank you for that question. And evidently, we only send people to place -- to work at places where they can work safely. And part of our protocol is that if we have a new client or a new location, we do health and safety inspection, and we discuss with the clients, what the measures are, what -- which materials are new, what PPE is required protective equipment, et cetera, we make sure that these PPEs are made available. And you just heard my colleague, Myriam Beatove would say that in France, the same gentleman indeed attended the meeting as well. And at the time, we said we will improve the situation and the situation has been improved. And I understand from the French CEO, at the highest level of the industry even. So yes, it is right at the top of our agenda, number one, because if people can't work safely, there's no Randstad, actually. So I fully agree. Second question, I suggest we postponed it until when we discuss the reappointment of Sander. Otherwise, we have all these discussions, and we rehash them all the time to. If you allow me, I'd like to postpone this matter so that we address it. Ladies and gentlemen, it's almost 12:00, and we are still discussing 2A, Item 2A of an agenda of 9 points. So we really need to speed things up. So if you really have urgent comments, please go ahead, but please be concise.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#46

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I don't know whether I had addressed it, but age discrimination. You yourself discussed people over the age of 50. Randstad is not to blame. Very often, it's the client who's to blame. Client comes up with all sorts of issues, additional issues from which we can infer that the client feels that the temporary workers are too old. It happened to me not so long ago, I'd like to have a feeling, a feel for the shop floor. So this colleague couldn't get a job and the client had all sorts of requirements and she couldn't go along with that. So what can we do about that, Chairman?

Cees ´t Hart

Executives
#47

Thank you. And then I think it's Mr. Flake. And then Mr. Spanier, if I'm not mistaken. And then we'll close this agenda item. Today is Sander van't Noordende's birthday. And then all these curious things that are coming up, I'd like you to take down in the minutes that he is assisted by a top team. You don't -- just is in the top 10 of the most influential supervisory directors. There are possibilities in the top 20 and is at its top 50 in case, the heart in the top 60. So it is a top team. And I am putting some challenges to you here. The gentleman on the left-hand side is from Spain. Spain is the most sustainable country in Europe at this point in time. So there's a lot we can learn from Spain. And the line with Brazil. Brazil is a wonderful country, and that can also help us. So if the Supervisory Board can make sure that we can quickly open branches in more countries, we can boost our performance because my share was worth EUR 60 now, and now it's EUR 20. So there's a lot of work to be done. You have enough quality.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#48

You're repeating your points as the Chairman. Thank you. Mrs. Spanier.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#49

please, a concise question.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#50

I'm always concise. Always concise, as you know, full well. Let me come back to the lorry drivers. And of course, I know a lot of people who work with lorries and I ask around. And they say, we go to Randstad. We want lorry drivers, but Randstad can't provide lorry drivers because either they don't have any trainings or they don't have enough training possibilities, not what we need. And Frits Goldschmeding says, he was in favor of talent, and he trained them himself. So why does the Supervisory Board not say to the Executive Board, you guys, you need to set up your own schools, your own training centers for electricians and the likes because there are shortages in very many professional areas. Why don't you pressure the Executive Board as a Supervisory Board. And of course, it's a disaster, the share price, but you are also owner of the sail ship Amsterdam. You took part in sail Amsterdam. Randstad organized all sorts of parties on the ship. I saw it myself, and I saw these people. Why is it that we never received an invitation last year to party on the ship because the ship traveled or went -- was taken back from France. I know that because someone told me, a little bird told me, and I also know that the age category to take people back or to have people return, you also fixed that, et cetera, et cetera. So why didn't we get an invitation for the ship? That was really my question.

Cees ´t Hart

Executives
#51

Well, it will disappoint you to know which parties the Supervisory Board attends. But anyway, neither here nor there, Sandra.

Alexander van't Noordende

Executives
#52

Let me start with age discrimination. Obviously, at Randstad, we do not discriminate in terms of age. And should there be any indications from clients that they select people on the basis of their age, we will engage with the client and make sure that the process proceeds in a proper way. That is what I can say and must say about this. As far as the lorry drivers sector is concerned, Mr. [indiscernible], I thought you were going to say, why doesn't the Supervisory Board start driving lorries? That's what I thought you would say. But hey, we have a specific team specialization in the Netherlands for the Lorry drivers who cooperate with training centers for Lorry drivers. So what you say is precisely what we're doing, and we do that. We don't have our own training centers, but we do have reserved places in the training centers for Randstad. So we're working on that. And every day, we are making progress, and we are placing new Lorry drivers.

Cees ´t Hart

Executives
#53

Mr. Spanier speaking off mic, the interpreter can't hear what Mr. Spanier is saying without a microphone. Very sorry. Mr. Spanier, you made your point. Agenda Item 2b, corporate governance structure and compliance with the corporate governance structure in 2025. All the relevant information you can find on Pages 145 to 160 of the annual report. Are there any questions? So now we can proceed to 2C, which is the remuneration report 2025. You'll find that in the annual report -- sorry, Pages 145 to 160. And I'd like to give the floor to the Chair of the Remuneration Committee, Annet Aris, to give a short introduction.

Antoinette Aris

Executives
#54

I am pleased to elaborate briefly on the remuneration report for 2025, which you will also find in the annual report. It was discussed this morning that 2025 was another challenging year due to difficult volatile macroeconomic and specific market conditions by focusing on our rigid cost control, the impact on profitability was limited while strategic investments continued. In part as a result of the significant progress was achieved in implementing the partner for talent strategy, for example, increased specialization and the successful rollout of fully integrated front office IT platforms and digital marketplaces. In 2025, this General Meeting of Shareholders approved the amended remuneration policy for both the Executive Board and the Supervisory Board with 87% and 88% of the votes cast, respectively. In 2025, remuneration was less approved in accordance with the policy at that time. In this year's remuneration report, we have once again sought to improve clarity and reliability. In 2025, the base salary of the CFO and CHRO was increased by 3.9% in keeping with the weighted group average for employees. The base salary of the CEO and the COO at the time was not increased. The short-term financial targets resulted in a payout of 76% of the target, whereas the short-term nonfinancial targets resulted in 103% of the target, meaning that the combined STI for the CEI equaled 98.7% of base salary and for the other members of the Executive Board, 82.5% of base salary. As for the long-term performance share plan, which was conditionally granted in 2023, vested at the end of 2025 and resulted in a payout of 68% of target. I am pleased to answer any questions there may be. Mr Keyner.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#55

I'm Mr. Keyner from the VEB. I'm in between both of the ladies holding microphones. I have no criticism of the remuneration system. It is what it is and was approved by shareholders. But for you as Remuneration Committee, it must seem very awkward that in a situation where shareholders for several years in a row seem to have lost out on their Randstad investment that any bonus at all is taking place. I sincerely understand that the hardest work of the executive is to make fundamental changes to the organization and to work on a future-proof business model that takes some years. In my view, it could be more radical and faster, but we can agree to disagree. But isn't it so that the actual financial results from the bonus should be expressed only once the shareholders have been able to benefit from them. So when the financial results are phenomenal. So don't you feel awkward that there is any bonus all as long as the shareholders continue to lose on their Randstad investment. You must at the very least see this is awkward.

Cees ´t Hart

Executives
#56

Well, I'll take additional questions, and then we'll start answering them.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#57

Basically, I agree with the VEB. I believe that the Supervisory Board listens carefully and realigns turbo such as increasing share prices, open many new branches in countries and with Mackenzie or Bol [indiscernible], that could be arranged. And there is a big improvement date. So if Randstad is willing to get on board, that could yield successes. But I believe that there is far more potential here because a share that goes one way and goes in the other direction in Heijmans, that's unfortunate. And of course, I'm very kind, but you have so many wonderful qualities that it could easily boost the share price. Consider the vocational education, you could score greatly if you train plumbers.

Cees ´t Hart

Executives
#58

Well, you don't need to lecture us -- do you have a question for Annette Aris -- or is this a comment?

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#59

Well, I am addressing Annet Aris. And given your professional background, much could be done to change this.

Antoinette Aris

Executives
#60

Thank you. Any other questions or comments?

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#61

Yes, Mr. Chairman. Just the VEB says, -- on the slide, we learned that 2025 was still worse than 2024. And how can the bonuses distributed have exceeded 50% in the remuneration report, I did not find the answer, and I would like an itemized reply as to why it was distributed.

Antoinette Aris

Executives
#62

Referring back to the explanation that we received last year about -- sorry, that we provided last year about the remuneration system. If you're looking at what you're going to remunerate management for and incentivize them, there are 3 elements, and you're entirely right, absolute performance, revenue, share price and the like matter. Second, of course, you want to reward management for how they dealt with extremely difficult circumstances and how quickly they responded because you want them to do likewise in the future. And third, it's very important that progress is being achieved in the strategies. And ordinarily, if you revise a strategy or achieve a turnaround, the first results appear operationally by certain things that happen. And only later do you see the financial effect. So in our remuneration system, we tried to strike a balance between those 3 elements. And I agree with you that the absolute results were not as we would have liked them to be because you can see that certain -- on certain KPIs, the management received 0%. And as much of the remuneration is based on the trend in share prices, management is suffering just as you are in that respect. Other things such as the extent to which the management was able to cope with difficult circumstances, so their relative performance. And we also consider that in setting targets, assuming the expectations for that cycle, also in relative terms, management achieved the objectives in part as well as on progress on strategy, which is quantified in relative operational progress, and we did see progress there. So it was a balance of those 3 elements because, of course, we value you as shareholders, but we also value management working on the right things.

Cees ´t Hart

Executives
#63

Thank you, Annette. Next, 2 brief remarks remaining, Mr. Keyner. So apparently, there's a fight to give you the microphone.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#64

My name is Mr.Keyner , not with Z. I understand that remuneration systems are highly complex. But what I sense from your reply is that they really did their best under very difficult circumstances.

Alexander van't Noordende

Executives
#65

What about -- and we're not doing as badly as our competitors look at them. And I have a twofold answer. One, is your management so impatient that they cannot await the fruits of their huge efforts financially, so the financial results as well as in how it reflects in the share price. That's my first reply. And the second part of my reply is if management needs to be rewarded for their dedication, why don't we simply abolish the base salary because that's the purpose of the base salary after all. But if you say, well, you as shareholders also benefit, but the shareholders are experiencing a deterioration of 10%, 20% or 30%, 40%. The base salary is not being reduced by 40%. That's the standard remuneration. And it's only in the event of exceptional performance over the long term that you receive additional benefits. And I'd like to share those 2 considerations. And basically, your account is the same as at other firms, but that doesn't mean that your logic is right. Thank you very much.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#66

Matti Nicolo again. Yes, just one comment. Obviously, the achievement of a target is the result of the target that is set. The financial target is the EBITDA. So EBITDA of last year was EUR 752 million. The EBITDA target was EUR 650 million. So there is a minus 14% year-on-year. So here, my question is, wasn't maybe the target a little bit shy usually in businesses, there are not many businesses that provide the targets with a big minus double-digit number, first thing. Second thing, we always speak that we are doing better than the competition. But I insist, I still feel that here, the elephant in the room, Adecco is never mentioned by anybody. And historically, it's always been a tight race between Randstad and Adecco. Adecco has been doing very well in the past 2 years. So I insist -- the environment is complicated. Nobody is questioning this, but somebody is doing probably a better job. Thank you.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#67

Yes. Maybe 2 comments with regard to the EBITDA target. It's indeed lower than last year, but we all know it's a very cyclical business. So we always try to balance what we think will be the impact of the economy, which is the relative effect and then what is a good absolute target. And our expectations for this year were for 2025 are definitely lower than for 2024 economy-wise, not even in taking into account all the geopolitical happenings, which we had actually no idea from when we set the targets at the end of 2024. With regard to Adecco, you will see we have one important financial target, which is relative revenue growth versus the main peers. that compares our performance amongst others [indiscernible]. And you see that the target achievement on that one has been 0%. So we definitely look at that aspect. Thank you.

Cees ´t Hart

Executives
#68

And I propose that we move on to the vote. The advisory vote on this and the next -- excuse me, the voting system will remain open during this item and throughout the rest of the meeting. The exact text appears in the agenda after 8B. I will close the vote and then Jelle Miedema will disclose the voting results after any other business. On to 2b. Proposal adopt the financial statements for 2025. You'll see that on Pages 161 through 234 of the annual report, and it has been described in detail. I'm pleased to start by giving the floor to the Audit Committee, Laurence Debroux, to describe some of the activities of the Audit Committee in 2025 and cooperation with the external auditor. And after that, we'll hear from Jacobina Brinkman on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. Laurence?

Unknown Executive

Executives
#69

Good morning, everyone. So 2025 was obviously marked by continued business challenges, but also on the positive side by sustained progress in the transformation of the company. In that context, balancing long-term strategic priorities with short-term operational realities required a strong focus on financial discipline indeed. As you know, the Audit Committee supports the full Supervisory Board in overseeing Randstad's financial statements, financial and nonfinancial reporting processes, the financing policy and the risk management system. In 2025, the committee consisted of Cees 't Hart, [indiscernible] and myself. We held 5 meetings, 4 of them prior to the publication of the quarterly results. Ahead of each meeting, there were preparatory discussion with the CFO, with the Managing Directors for control, financial reporting and business risk and audit. And on behalf of the committee, I also met with the external auditors in advance of each meeting. During the year, we paid particular attention to development in results, cash flow and financing. We also had as recurring item agenda data protection, information security and cybersecurity, of course. We reviewed the development of IT general controls. We emphasized the need to further strengthen these controls, which the company is addressing through its digital transformation program, so a global approach. And we paid particular attention to the topic of access management, which is fully aligned with the external auditors' comments. At each meeting, we received updates from the Director of Business Risk and Audit on the work and the conclusions. And of course, we also monitored progress towards the updated statement on risk management, the so-called [indiscernible], which is part of the management report in the annual report. The committee reviewed the audit plan of the external auditors that include the scope, materiality approach, focus areas, fees and independence. And as this was the first year of PwC as external auditor, attention was, of course, given to the transition. I am pleased to report that no significant findings requiring action were identified in the transition process. The committee continued with a good practice of holding at least one annual private session with the external auditor without management present. In addition to the financial audit, the Supervisory Board has requested that PricewaterhouseCoopers perform limited assurance procedures on selected nonfinancial organization in according to information in accordance with CSRD. And still on CSRD, the committee reviewed in depth the updated double materiality assessment. As a conclusion, I would like to thank the global finance team as well as the internal and external auditor for their hard work and for the dialogue with the Audit Committee. Thank you.

Cees ´t Hart

Executives
#70

Thank you very much. Then I would like to hand over to Jacobina.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#71

I'm Jacobina Brinkman. I'm the external auditor of Randstad on behalf of PwC, and I work closely with Martin -- but as such, who is also present here. As you will have read, we issued an unqualified audit opinion on Randstad's 2025 financial statements. That means that the financial statements accurately reflect Randstad's financial position as at 31 December 2025. It also means that Randstad's annual report contains all material relevant information required by law. We have also issued a review report on Randstad's sustainability reporting. That means that based on the work performed and the information obtained, no information has come to light suggesting that the sustainability information is incorrect. I'm now pleased to explain a few key areas of focus and findings from our audit. The first year of the audit. This was the first year of our audit that's been mentioned a few times. We reflect on a successful transition year in which we deepened our understanding of Randstad. That was our focus. In the first year, we devoted particular attention to Randstad's internal control environment. The internal control environment is the entire system of how Randstad is organized to ensure that everything runs smoothly. It encompasses the culture rules, processes and management and staff attitudes together ensuring reliable financial reports, compliance with laws and regulations and prevention of errors or fraud. This is the foundation of an organization's internal control system. Randstad started standardizing and centralizing its IT landscape. Over the past year, we have monitored how Randstad is prepared for this change. And in the years ahead, -- we will continue to track this carefully. The objective is to centralize future audits more and to increase the focus on the systems. Randstad is the parent company of a group of entities and the financial information of this group also appears in the consolidated financial statements. As group auditors, we are responsible for identifying and assessing the risks of material misstatements in the consolidated financial statements. Based on this risk assessment, the audit approach has been tailored to perform sufficient audit procedures to express an opinion on the consolidated financial statements. determining the audit approach includes establishing whether other auditors need to be involved for parts of the group. And as explained in our audit opinion, we engaged 12 auditors mainly based abroad 2 audit parts of the group. And they are all auditors from PwC's global network. As a result, our work covered 82% of the total consolidated revenue, and we audited the remaining 18% through analytical procedures. As group auditors, for example, we worked on the consolidated and group-wide matters, including valuation of goodwill, valuation of deferred tax assets, external debts and share-based payments. So as I mentioned, we used local auditors for the group entities because they're more familiar with local laws and regulations and therefore, better able to perform the audit. We drafted instructions to this effect and stated our expectations as to what they were expected to do in their work. We participated in discussions about scheduling the local audits and monitor progress through ongoing communication. And we met with all auditors in all group entities, both online and in person. These in-person meetings took place in the United States, the Netherlands, France, Belgium and Germany. And we also held joint discussions with local management regarding the performance of the group entity and the internal control environment. We reviewed the work of the local auditors received written communication and attended key meetings of group entity auditors with local management. By combining the work at group entity level with the work that we performed as group auditors, we are able to substantiate our opinion about the group and our unqualified audit opinion. Now materiality. For the audit, we defined a materiality threshold. And in this audit, established EUR 50 million as the materiality threshold based on 0.25% of total revenue. We also reported all audit differences exceeding EUR 2.5 million to the Supervisory Board. In our opinion, as with all our clients, we address fraud risks and business continuity. In our report, we specifically addressed several fraud risks we identified at Randstad and the procedures that we carried out in response. First, we identify the risk that management may override internal control measures. In all our audits, we address this risk because management is uniquely positioned to commit fraud due to the possibility to manipulate the accounts and draft fraudulent financial statements by overriding measures that otherwise seem effective. So to this end, we use data analysis to identify unusual transactions and subsequently worked on those, including inspecting source documentation. We also pay specific attention to access security within the IT systems and the possibility that this could lead to a breach of separation of duties. Our work did not yield any indications of fraud or suspicions thereof. Next, the second fraud risk in revenue recognition. Management is entitled to bonuses that depend in part on achieving certain financial targets such as revenue growth. This may lead to management bias and to incentives to overstate revenue by recording fictitious revenue transactions. What did we do about this? We performed our audit procedures using a combination of testing internal controls and detailed procedures. We also use data analysts to identify revenue transactions that did not follow standard business processes and further examined these transactions. I'm almost done, 2 more pages. Our audit work did not reveal any specific indications or suspicions of fraud relating to preventing the reported revenue. Key audit matters in our audit are issues that we pay particular attention to in our work. In the previous audit, we identified evaluation of goodwill as a key audit matter because determining this value is subject to considerable estimation uncertainty. Our work included in part, retaining experts. And we also questioned the management about evaluation of goodwill, especially when a 9-year projection period is used and the assumptions of management concerning in part revenue growth, EBITDA margin and the discount rate applied wherever necessary. We substantiated internal information from management with external evidence. And for those cash flow generating units in which there could be an estimate of a loss in value, we assess the current results for the current year with the projected figures from the previous year to assess whether in those projections, the assumptions have been overly optimistic. And we use the outcome of this comparison as input to test whether the management's assumptions were reasonable and sensitive for future cash flows. Based on the work we did and the audit evidence obtained, we consider management's assumptions to be reasonable and agree with the evaluation of goodwill. I mentioned earlier that we look back positively on our first year as Randstad's auditors. Our colleagues in group entities have also indicated that the transformation went smoothly and in good cooperation and that they appreciate the fresh perspective we offer. In addition to our regular interactions with, for example, Randstad's finance, legal, IT departments and business risk and audit function, we spoke with various members of the management. In addition, I attended the Audit Committee and Supervisory Board meetings. I found the discussions during these meetings to be open, professional and reflecting genuine interest in our findings, observations and recommendations. We believe that a solid foundation has been established, providing a strong basis for ongoing cooperation in the years ahead. Finally, I would like to thank the Supervisory Board, Management and staff at Randstad for the pleasant, constructive and professional working relationship over the past years. And of course, I'll be happy to answer your questions. Are there any questions? Yes, I see some hands raised. First, [ Mr. Keiner ].

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#72

Yes. It's one of my huge concerning frustrations that women don't approach me, but I still got the microphone. And what the lady from PwC could have been said at many companies. I have only one question. In your first year of looking at Randstad, what surprised you in your audit? It doesn't have to be good or bad. But what would you say was entirely different from what you expected when you received the question? We'll take the questions together this time, [ Mr. Spanier ]. [ Mr. Spanier ], my question is what percentage of your work did you do with AI? Because in its own auditor, KPMG said the price has to be reduced because X percent was spent on AI. And my second question is the audit of the subsidiaries. Your company changed from 0.9% in 2024 to 1.7% in 2025. Can you give me a specific explanation for that difference?

Unknown Executive

Executives
#73

Do you have any other questions, [ Mr. Spanier ]?

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#74

Not yet. We live in Europe, the country with the greatest affluence and all our important data are in the United States. And somebody is in charge who is traveling around the world with a shotgun. How can we improve to avert the risk of our systems succumbing and us no longer having access to our data, how has that received consideration been secured also in relation to AI. First, what surprised you?

Unknown Executive

Executives
#75

Well, yes, I was thinking about what surprised me. Well, we weren't that surprised, but we did determine that when you're working with a new company in the first audit year in the company, it is present in so many different places, then the job is always bigger than you initially expected. And before we can do our work, we need to understand exactly how certain processes take place one step at a time. And this company also includes many different systems, and that's very time consuming, perhaps more than we expected in advance. So that may have been one point where we thought, okay, all those different systems are a lot of work. We are very eager for greater harmonization and standardized systems. But I believe that management intends to do that. Now next about AI. Well, I couldn't tell you what percentage was done by AI, but we're working with AI in many different fields, and we challenge our teams to make things easier for themselves every day and sometimes to improve their insights with all the resources available. But the exact share, I didn't add it up, but it is a very important principle. And in the years ahead, it will become increasingly important.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#76

And the question about the subsidiaries, what does that question relate to? You're talking about the fees? [Technical Difficulty] Speaker off mic, interpreter apologizes. Speaker off mic, interpreter apologizes.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#77

That must be the BDO. That's not us. The model that we apply here is that PwC audits everything needed to be able to sign off at the group level. There are also a great many local entities that require local financial statements, the statutory financial statements. And in our model, those are all audited by BDO. We're not BDO. And in the shift from Deloitte to PwC, of course, we redefined our scope. So sometimes we audit slightly different group entities than our predecessors did. And BDO, therefore, also audits different group entities. So there was a shift. But that's not the part that we do. [Technical Difficulty] Speaker off mic, interpreter apologizes. Perhaps Jorge could say a bit about that. I can't say that not of the other group entities, that's what I was explaining. Only for the consolidated financial statements.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#78

So the next question concerned the systems. Are we dependent on the United States? Has that been checked?

Unknown Executive

Executives
#79

Well, I believe that question is for management. We did not focus on that specifically. Most parties that we work with in information technology, such as Amazon and Google do indeed hail from the United States. Of course, we took all measures that a good company, such as security backup and everything related to that. The risk that in the United States, somebody said, I'm just going to pull the plug has, for the time being, been assessed as a remote risk, but it's certainly something that this week, I spoke with my CIO, our CIO, to examine in what measure that's a genuine risk and which measures we should take. So it's on the agenda. Please stay tuned.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#80

I think there was a question over there.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#81

My name is [ Dekker ]. I'm from [indiscernible]. I have a detailed question. And this detailed question concerns a key audit matter, goodwill. We have text about this on page -- let me take a peek, Page 178, if I'm not mistaken, 87, so to speak -- sorry, Page 177 and Page 187. So if we look at that also in the light of the fact that it is a key audit matter, we see the position of Germany, important part of overall goodwill. And at the same time, on Page 187, we see that performance in Germany, to put it mildly, to be justified, of course, given Germany's position and the economic position. Well, the performance of Germany was not favorable. So my question is, how -- what is your perspective on these developments also compared to the goodwill that you have on your books at Randstad? Did you yourself look at this? Or is this an item that you left to the foreign auditor? And I'm somewhat surprised that there was no adjustment for this in the financial year '25. So what are your arguments to say, well, that will sort itself? And over the next few years or the next decade, we will have a good profit because segments, not everything, the segments or the sectors Randstad is operating in, well, you can't really say that they have wonderful and spectacular short-term perspectives.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#82

Yes, we have looked at it ourselves, anything concerning goodwill and the valuation thereof and also reviewing it, the value as it stands. We do that ourselves as a group team. And Randstad Germany is indeed -- has been part of that debate. And by the way, this is explained in the annual statements, the financial statements by management as an explanatory note to those items. In the financial statement, specifying that this concerns some sensitivity. And especially if you'd adjust the assumptions to a certain degree, this would be something that would be sensitive to that. So we asked many, many questions about this. We consulted many source documents. We talked to management in Germany about the plans. We also looked at the number of branch offices. We looked at the number of clients, new clients, clients that have left. So in short, I can mention lots of other things. But we took a very detailed look at this, particularly to address the question that you have just asked because these are estimates, and these estimates have to be as reliable as possible. And it is up to us to challenge management in this respect. And therefore, we involve source data. Conclusion is this year, nothing had to be accounted for. So if there's something sensitive this year, then next year, you will take a very critical look at it. And management will be the first to do that, and then we will be challenging management. That is all the assumptions that are being made. [Technical Difficulty] Comment off mic, the interpreter apologizes.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#83

Well, we do that as well, says the Chairman. Let us move to agenda item 2E, explanation on the reserve and dividend policy. And Jorge already explained that. Are there any questions? Mr. [ Keiner ] has a question.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#84

[ Keiner ], [ BEB ]. I'd like to commend you on your capital allocation policy, extremely transparent. I think that many companies should take you as an example. Last year, 2 million in shares have been repurchased when the share price was very low. And this is a big dilemma, but it is important to us. How do you make sure that in those times in which the share price is very low, that you do buy back lots of shares. On the other hand, when the share price is incredibly high that you do not buy back that many shares. So the sort of anticyclical operation. Well, apparently, it doesn't happen. So how do you deal with that dilemma?

Unknown Executive

Executives
#85

[indiscernible] buyback. So the transaction you're talking about is primarily about purchase plans and employees. So we do not have a running share buyback program. As you can see and you know our capital allocation policy, our ordinary dividend is a cash dividend. And in the case we find ourselves with a leverage ratio below 1, we then have potentially a discussion about returning extra money to shareholders. Now we also have to balance this with the need to invest in the business like we just discussed earlier on. And then indeed, in that optional, we can consider a special cash or a share buyback. At this moment, our leverage ratio is trending again towards 1. So there's no intention to do any special return. If we ever think about changing the capital allocation policy, we'll then communicate it right on time.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#86

Any other questions? If there are no other questions, 2F, proposal to declare an ordinary dividend for the financial year 2025 proposed to pay an ordinary cash dividend for the financial year 2025 of EUR 1.62 per ordinary share, which corresponds to a payout ratio 64% of the underlying adjusted net profit. The dividend payment on preference shares B and C totals EUR 8.2 million. Are there any questions? I would then ask you to vote on the agenda items under 2F insofar you have not already done so. In the meantime, we will move on to agenda item 3A, granting discharge to members of the Executive Board for the performance of their duties. I propose the following resolution on discharge of responsibilities. The General Meeting of Shareholders grants discharge to members of the Executive Board for the performance of their duties in the financial year 2025. Insofar as this becomes apparent in the financial statements, the annual report or any other information submitted to the general meeting and the explanations provided at this meeting. Are there any questions? Now we can move on to agenda item 3B, granting discharge to the members of the Supervisory Board for the performance of their duties. I propose the following resolution on release of liabilities. The General Meeting of Shareholders grants discharge to members of the Supervisory Board for the performance of their duties in the financial year 2025. Insofar as this is apparent from the financial statements, annual report, other information submitted to the general meeting and the explanations provided at this meeting. Are there any questions? Could you now vote on agenda items 3A and 3B -- there is a question.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#87

Yes. Well, I may not be that clever, but I simply don't understand. Adecco has been stable over this past year in terms of revenue and Randstad is declining. And if this trend continues, Randstad won't be a market leader, a global market leader. I'm concerned about this.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#88

But we do have a secret weapon, fortunately. And he is in the top 20 of the top supervisory directors, Robert Jan van de Kraats. And he always showed all the increasing statistics. And so perhaps you can include him because I do think that there are important targets, independence from energy, independence from the United States and also boosting revenues and recruiting more employees and more temporary workers. And perhaps you can boost the turbo here. And I have every confidence that you'll be able to do that with Robert Jan van de Kraats. Okay. So can you now please cast your votes for items 3A and 3B. Now on to agenda item 4, proposal to amend the remuneration policy of the Supervisory Board. And I'd like to give Annet Aris, the Chair of the Remuneration Committee, the floor to briefly explain.

Antoinette Aris

Executives
#89

Yes. Last year, as you know, we introduced a remuneration for the new Technology Committee, which was introduced at the time, assuming that this committee would be meeting twice a year. Well, as you all know, the whole subject of technology has become increasingly important. And it turns out that there is a need to meet at least once every quarter. So it is our proposal to increase the remuneration for the committee, which was lower than the committee -- the remuneration of other committees. So to bring it in line with the Remuneration Committee and the Nomination Committee. So the increase is as follows. So the Chair from EUR 15,000 to EUR 21,000 and for the members from EUR 10,000 to EUR 15,000. And this is in line with what the members of the other committees receive. Are there any questions? Yes, [ Mr. Spanier ].

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#90

Ms. Aris -- well, Chair. Chairman, can I ask a question to Ms. Aris directly? Or should I ask a question through yourself?

Cees ´t Hart

Executives
#91

Yes, you can ask a question to the Chairman as the Chair, and I will decide who answers the question.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#92

This is final. Okay. My question -- okay. Last year, this committee was set up. But last year, we also knew that technology was very important. How is it that you didn't know last year that you might want to meet every quarter, perhaps even every month? Why is it that just after a year, all of a sudden, you realize that the members require a 50% higher remuneration and the Chairman even more? How is it that after 12 months, you realized that you made a mistake? Is this symptomatic or something like that?

Unknown Executive

Executives
#93

We made mistakes because the numbers of '24, '25 were disastrous as well. We've had a disastrous situation for 11 or 12 quarters. Well, you could also turn it around. We have understood that this takes more time. So this is why we're making the proposal. So I think we can leave it at that, as the Chairman. Agenda item 5, proposal to reappoint Sander van 't Noordende as member of the Executive Board. You can read the explanation for this in the agenda. Sander was appointed as a member of the Executive Board in January 2022 and has been Chairman and CEO since March 2022. Under his leadership, Randstad's partner for talent strategy has been rolled out, including a clear strategic vision. A number of strategic priorities and a long-term perspective for value creation for all Randstad stakeholders. He possesses extensive knowledge of digital developments that impact our sector and our business model. Adapting our strategy is essential now that our industry has been facing both cyclical and structural challenges for some time. Randstad is, therefore, fully engaged in a phase of strategic implementation and change. This requires leadership, perseverance and an energetic, consistent approach and execution. It is, therefore, crucial that Sander continues to contribute to Randstad. During his earlier presentation, he discussed at length what has been achieved over the past 4 years and what he sees as key priorities for the coming term. And so the Supervisory Board proposes to reappoint him for a second term of 4 years. Are there any questions? Please go ahead. Well, you've already made a number of statements, well, not you personally, but others have earlier on in the meeting. So I suggest to all of you that if you have a point to make, you can always ask questions, but please be respectful.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#94

My name is [ Steven ], [ Foundation Legal Protection of Investors. ] We would like to hear from Mr. Noordende. Why he wants to continue in this position for another 4 years? Have headhunters approached you over the past few months, asking you to switch to another company?

Alexander van't Noordende

Executives
#95

That's a good question. This is the Chairman, Sander. Well, from time to time, you do receive phone calls, but I don't answer the phone or I always keep the conversation short. So that really is a short answer to your question. Why do I want to remain CEO, Chairman of the Executive Board? Really, the main reason is that we have embarked on a strategy, and we've been through a difficult time, and we see the first results of the strategy, but we're not done yet, not for the time being. So the job is not done, and we have to keep up the good work for the best results, which is why I'm happy to commit for the next 4 years in order to finish the job in such a way that we have a Randstad fit for the future.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#96

Thank you. Any other questions or comments? Please go ahead.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#97

Yes. [ Keiner ] is my name. I'd like to remind you of a comment that we made earlier on. I read -- I carefully read your annual report. And I think that showing that the tone is more positive and optimistic than actual reality just -- would justify. But anyway, I reminded you of the duties in the long run and the long-term targets are coming closer. So that is the EBITDA margin between 5% and 6%, and you are not even coming close. You're stuck at 3.1% without deducting the one-off costs. So my question to you, to the Supervisory Board is it's not that I want to get rid of Mr. Noordende. He might be doing an incredible job and how -- my question is how much patience do you have a Supervisory Board to allow this Executive Board, not only the CEO, to continue on this path? Or would you say that if it continues to be 3%, 3.5% over the next few years that you might think we might need a different team, a team that might take much more radical measures to achieve the 5% to 6%? And I'm also saying this because the long term can start today.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#98

Thank you for your questions. The target of 5% to 6% has been around for far longer than Mr. van 't Noordende is CEO. And we've come very close to 5%, but that was it. We believe a Supervisory Board that the 5%, 6% and north of that would only be possible with the strategy that we've now embarked on. And just imagine that this company transitioned from analogous to digital and now AI supported from a generalist to a more specialized business. And these are 2 elements that are going to put pressure on the costs and are going to boost the margins. Now in terms of your question, there might be criticism vis-a-vis the Executive Board in terms of how long this has been going on, 12 quarters. Well, a lot has been going on in the world, as you know, and we have to keep in mind that, obviously, this is very disappointing, but in relative terms, it's not that bad. And if you look at the TSR, the total return on investment for the shareholder, then relatively, we're doing somewhat better. We're not happy. We're not pleased with it, and Sander said so in an interview this weekend in the Financieele Dagblad. So where do we stand? In fact, we're at a crossroads. All the initiatives now have to come to fruition. And all this is going to bear fruit now. And we had hoped that the global economy, the way it was developing actually at the beginning of the year that, that would start growing again so that businesses would start investing, would require more talent so that Randstad with its new way of working could visibly improve its performance and also margins. With everything that's going on in the Middle East, this is the million-dollar question whether this growth will return as quickly as we might think. And so we say, well, if we haven't hit the 5%, 6% in 2, 3 years' time, we're not going to say, well, the right-hand side of this table has to be changed. That's not the way we work. The question is whether these changes are being put into practice? How about the speed of implementation? And can we see that there are units that are proof of the pudding, proof that the new model is working. Not the 5%, 6%, it is our target. It is our target, and we're convinced that we will hit the target at some point. But in terms of management and assessing management and taking measures, we're not going to look at the 5%, 6%, but we're really going to look at the speed of implementation. And in terms of the speed of implementation, if we're satisfied with that, and you must have read our annual report, you'll read that in the paragraph of the Chairman, you will have read that we would like more speed to increase the pace. But -- and the people on the right-hand side of the table, of course, have their own ambition. And in this new year, we will continue on that path. And -- it didn't take us so long to take a decision on the reappointment of Sander. We are absolutely convinced that this team is capable of realizing the strategy. Please be concise.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#99

Very concise, very concise. I think it's a good thing that Mr. van 't Noordende should continue for the next 4 years. At the same time, it's always a good idea to look at succession. I think the current CFO has all the qualifications, and he also speaks excellent Dutch, which is a big advantage in this market and also a big advantage for other employees abroad. I would like Randstad to become much more visible by sponsoring the Dutch football team, national football team in terms of sports, but also the World Wildlife Fund and the Amsterdam Zoo ARTIS, they have a partnership. And I think that, that would help increase the visibility at an international level and would also boost revenues at a global level.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#100

I know something about sponsorship. So the 3.1% that you saw is -- will decline once you engage in these big sponsorship contracts. But anyway, I do understand the background of your questions. In those countries in which we operate, not globally, but in those countries which we operate, we need to be visible and we have to be well known, and that is what the team is working on. And I assume that in the Netherlands, you will have seen the new campaign. Are there any other? No, you didn't see it. Okay. Well, it is certainly impressive. Any other questions?

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#101

Yes, again, [ Matt Nicolo ]. A quick question on the -- so in the last couple of years, there's been a revenue gap of 15% between -- well, the range that was above Adecco by about 15%. Now the -- you're both on the same line. You seem very convinced about this specialization structure -- strategy, sorry. And however, it seems that the markets they are not really appreciating at least to the extent that you believe it is worthy. What are you -- why are you thinking that -- what will you be doing differently from Adecco from your perspective to ensure that this gain -- this 15% points flip the other way? Will just a specialization achieve this? Or will anything else be required?

Unknown Executive

Executives
#102

I don't think at first glance that we should only look at Adecco or the size of Adecco. Question is whether we are winning in the countries in which we already have a presence. And that's a very important debate in the Executive Board because it may well be that a big competitor may have different geographic positions and they may have a tailwind. The thing is that we need to win in those markets in which we operate in Netherlands, France, Belgium, U.S., et cetera, et cetera. And that is a very important parameter to measure our success and the impact of the Executive Board. And Randstad, how it's going vis-a-vis Adecco, what the differences are. Sander, do you have anything to add?

Alexander van't Noordende

Executives
#103

No, not really. We have a strategy that works. It focuses on specialization and focusing on talent, delivery of excellence, digitization, making sure that we have the overall best team. We're doing that, and we are going to do that, and that will lead to the desired results, I'm sure.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#104

Thank you. If there are no further questions, you can now proceed to vote on this agenda item. And before we proceed to item 6 -- before we move on to agenda item 6, I'd like to mention a bit about Annet Aris' membership of the Supervisory Board. You joined in 2018, and you have served on the Remuneration Committee and have been extremely involved in the organizational and strategical aspects of Randstad, especially in terms of strategy and digital remuneration policy. You provided an extremely important contribution to the Supervisory Board discussions. You did so in an extremely pleasant manner, and you're always thoroughly prepared. You had all those details ready and helped us reach a synthesizing conclusion that really mattered. And we're very grateful for all those years that you did your best for this wonderful company. And we're also pleased that we have found a good successor. It was difficult, but we found somebody that we're very happy with, and that takes me to agenda item 6, which is to propose Martin Weiss as member of the Supervisory Board. And the explanation and the resume of Martin Weiss appear in the agenda for this meeting, and the Supervisory Board proposes appointing him for an initial 4-year term. But before you say anything about that, I would propose that Martin introduces himself briefly.

Martin Weiss

Executives
#105

We're pressed for time, so I'll be very short. First of all, I'm absolutely delighted to be proposed for a term for 4 years on the Supervisory Board of Randstad Corporation. My personal career has now gone on for over 3 decades. I started out in consulting with McKinsey & Company. I then went on to become an entrepreneur, and I started a consulting company that then became a global consulting group. After 17 years as an entrepreneur, I then sold that company and I became a salaried employee again or as my wife says, I live the dream, but in reverse. So what I did was I joined an international corporation in the telecommunications space in Africa and Latin America. And after that, joined a media company first on the investment side, then later on as an executive team and eventually ran that company as the global CEO. Apart from that, I've also, for the last 20 years, have worked on corporate boards, both on the listed and on the non-listed side and also in the workspace, [ New Work ] in Germany, is one of the companies where I was actually Chairman for 4 years. If I look at the common theme that was in my professional career, it was change. And most often, it was digitally technologically induced change. And that is not the easiest of times, but that is usually the phase when companies undergo technological change when the most value is created. And if we look at the video that Sander presented earlier today, that is precisely the situation in which Randstad is today, and I hope I can contribute to that with my experience and with my insights. And I'm very much looking forward to working with the management team, with the Supervisory Board. And I'm, as I said, absolutely delighted to be here, and I thank you for your trust.

Cees ´t Hart

Executives
#106

Thank you very much. Are there any questions about the intended appointment? Please go ahead. You have the floor.

Unknown Attendee

Attendees
#107

I am Mr. Steven from the Foundation for Legal Protection for Investors. As usual, I'm curious how you discovered Mr. Weiss. How did you find them? Because you say you conducted a search, but you would nonetheless -- like to know exactly how you conducted your search. Did you use a headhunter or an executive service agency? What mission did you entrust them with? How long was the list? And did you subsequently compile a short list? And were these discussed in a small committee and who served on that committee? Did this lead to the selection of a limited number of candidates? And did you then interview these candidates? And were they sent questions in advance so that they could prepare for the interview? How did the interviews go? And another experience that I saw from closeup was that 2 candidates were selected and it was impossible to aside between them. So ultimately, a third candidate was selected. Was that the case here as well?

Unknown Executive

Executives
#108

Yes, you basically described the process in your question. We drafted a profile of the person that we hoped to bring on board, and that was focused on Mrs. Aris' profile on the Board. She's a professor on strategic development and digitization. And we wanted somebody with experience in transformation who would succeed Annet and replace her and who might have something new to contribute as well. And he has practical experience because on the one hand, we've adopted a strategy now, but what matters is implementing this strategy. So we submitted this question to [indiscernible], and we started with a long list and selected a few candidates and the Nomination Committee, spoke with them, and that yielded a proposal that was discussed with the entire Board. Martin has met with each of the Board members as well as with the management team. And at a certain point, Martin may have thought that it would be more difficult. It would -- he thought it was very time consuming. He compared it with joining the management of the [ Landesbank ]. But I think at our end, we did the right thing, and that's why we're very enthusiastic and convinced in proposing Martin Weiss to you today. Now the final question, we're running out of time. You'd like to respond?

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#109

Yes, I have another question to Mr. Weiss himself. He delivered a very eager statement, but he didn't describe the -- he didn't describe his experience in the application process. A short perspective on how you experienced this entire procedure.

Martin Weiss

Executives
#110

Absolutely. Thank you. Great question. It was a very pleasant experience, I must say. And it was also a very thorough process. I had a series of interviews. First, I was being briefed by the colleagues from Egon Zehnder about the role. Then I had a very detailed chat with people on the management team. And then we actually engaged with every single person or I engaged with every single person on the supervisory team. So I managed to meet everybody on the management team and I managed to meet everyone on the Supervisory Board. I've sat on a number of boards that process isn't usually as detailed as that. And I think overall, I had 11 or 12 conversations. And as the Chairman said, I think what I can really apply to this role is my experience as a CEO. I ran a company that was active in 16 countries. And it was a performance that needed through digitization. We optimized and it was a multiyear process. And a lot of things that I've seen, I can now see as a challenge exactly in this corporation. And what draws me to Randstad, maybe I'll finish on that. What draws me to Randstad is really 3 things. The first one is it is a global company, and it is a global leader in its field. The second is it has very strong client relationships and talent relationships. And the third is, and I think Sander said that a number of times, there's a very clear strategy in place, and we now need to make sure we implement that strategy, and I hope I can be there with advice, but also sort of as a critical voice to accompany that. And the process was great. Now I'm looking forward to implementing it.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#111

Martin, thank you. Now agenda item comprises 3 points. First, the proposal to designate the Executive Board as the authorized corporate body to issue shares and to restrict or exclude the preemptive right. B, to authorize the Executive Board to repurchase shares. And C, to cancel repurchase shares. You can read more in the explanatory notes. Are there any comments about these 3 proposals? I was about to say if not, but please go ahead.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#112

Two points I'd like to make. Be good and tell it ensure far more share of voice within the market because that will yield far more money and costs go before income, invest more in that, expand your network and make sure that there are far more temps globally. And then next, I think that one of these points is irrelevant because you need to invest far more and make sure that Randstad is back in the lead on the market. That matters far more to me.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#113

Thank you for your opinion. I propose that you cast your vote on items 7A through 7C. That takes us to some corporate items, including item 8A, the proposal to reappoint Annelies van der Pauw as a Board member of the Randstad Trust Office. You'll find her resume in the agenda and explanatory notes of this meeting. And the Randstad Executive Board proposes reappointing her as Board member A for a second 4-year term. Once again, this is the foundation for financing preference shares. Annelies van der Pauw is not present here. She was unable to be with us today. Are there any questions? Please cast your vote on agenda item 8A. Next to agenda item 8B, which is the proposal to reappoint PricewaterhouseCoopers Accountants as our external auditor for the 2027 financial year and to carry out a limited assurance engagement on the 2027 sustainability report. Are there any questions? If not, I would ask you now to cast your final votes before we move on to the next agenda item. I will close the vote and Jelle Miedema will announce the voting results after any other business. That takes us to agenda item 9, any other business. And if I do this right, we'll wrap it up by 1:15. We have 4 more minutes, but we still have any other business. Yes, you have the floor.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#114

Mr. Chairman, who will replace Mrs. Aris on her committee? Do you already have the name? And will you disclose that? My second question is much has happened in the world on 6th March in the Financial Daily. We read that changes are imminent because now you have to pay attention to the carpenter on the corner. How are you going to interpret that? So there are new temp rules for -- that will apply to the carpenter on the corner. How will you interpret those rules? And third, what do you think of the impact with Australia? And which benefits do you envisage in Australia?

Unknown Executive

Executives
#115

And the first is that Martin -- excuse me, Martin Weiss will serve on the Remuneration Committee. And we don't know exactly who will be the Chair, but Martin will serve on the Remuneration Committee. And [ Jesus ] has indicated regarding the second point, how we will deal with the new regulations in the Netherlands. So much work has been done on that and discussions are ongoing with clients, and we'll continue those. And we'll, as always, observe and adapt to current regulations. We're very excited about the partnership with Australia and are working hard on that. Are there any more questions for any other business?

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#116

I'm here for my children, [ Jelmer and Lynn ] as well as for the children and grandchildren of the network of nephews and nieces because we had relatively pleasant childhood. But what they hear about crisis and oil crisis and sustainability crisis, we can still make some adjustments and need to forge ahead. That means that we shoulder an additional responsibility and help you'll take that on board so that your children and grandchildren, nephews and nieces can say you did an excellent job despite all the problems in the world.

Cees ´t Hart

Executives
#117

I think you've seen as in every annual report that we're a purpose-driven company. Are there any other questions or comments? Then I will now hand over to Jelle Miedema for the voting results.

Jelle Miedema

Executives
#118

Thank you, Cees. And before I read out the voting results and project them on the screen, which they already have, I will tell you the number present largely via proxies, 2,062 shareholders representing 230,464,403 shares entitled to vote, including 25,200,000 preference shares B and 15,130,352 preference shares C and may cast a total of 164,334,051 votes, which equals 88.93% of the total number of shares that may be cast. That takes us to the voting results. And on the screen for agenda item 2C, you see the approval of the remuneration report, which was adopted with 86.32% of the vote. Next 2D, the proposal to adopt the financial statements has been adopted with 99.98% and agenda item 2F, the proposal to adopt the regular dividend has been adopted with 99.92%. Next agenda item 3A, discharge of the Executive Board has been approved with 99.5%. And agenda item 3B, the discharge of the Supervisory Board has been approved with 99.5%. Agenda item 4, the proposal to amend the Supervisory Board remuneration has been adopted with 99.88% and agenda item 5, the proposal to reappoint Sander van 't Noordende has been approved with 99.96%. Then agenda item 6, the proposal to appoint Martin Weiss to the Supervisory Board has been approved with 99.9% of the vote. And agenda item 7A, the proposal to designate the Executive Board as the authorized corporate body to issue shares has been approved with 87.47%. And 7B, the proposal to authorize the Executive Board to repurchase shares have been approved with 99.96%; and 7C, the proposal to cancel repurchase shares have been approved with 99.9% of the vote. Next, 8A, the proposal to reappoint Annelies van der Pauw as Chair of the Trust office has been approved with 99.68%; and 8B, the proposal to reappoint PwC has been approved with 100% of the votes cast in favor. So at the end of the meeting, I was just telling Sander, this is like a North Korean voting outcome, including your reappointment. Congratulations, Sander. And that means that we have reached the end of this meeting and a light lunch will be served in the lobby. And we assume that you're interested in a cup of coffee and a sandwich. Thank you very much for coming, and we hope to see you back again next time. Thank you for listening. [Statements in English on this transcript were spoken by an interpreter present on the live call.]

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