Realty Income Corporation (O) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

May 4, 2023

New York Stock Exchange US Real Estate Retail REITs earnings 64 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Andrea Behr

executive
#1

We appreciate everyone being here today for the conference call covering Realty Income's operating results from the first quarter. Speaking about what we achieved will be Sumit Roy, who serves as President and Chief Executive Officer, Christie Kelly, our Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, and Treasurer, and Jonathan Ponton, Senior Vice President, Head of Corporate Finance. Throughout this call, certain remarks we make could fall under the definition of forward-looking statements according to Federal Securities law. It is possible that the company's actual future results will end up differing substantially from whatever is addressed in any forward-looking statement. A more thorough explanation of the elements that might lead to such discrepancies will be provided in the company's Form 10-Q. To ensure everyone gets a chance to take part, we will be enforcing a limit of 2 questions while we conduct the Q&A segment of this call. Should you wish to pose more questions, you are welcome to get back in the queue. At this point I'll hand things over to Sumit Roy, our CEO.

Sumit Roy

executive
#2

Thanks, Andrea. Hello and welcome to all of you. It's a pleasure to share that our results for the first quarter of 2023 were solid and showed ongoing momentum within our business. I want to convey my deepest appreciation to our one team, whose hard work makes it possible for us to keep meeting our growth objectives. I'd also like to extend thanks to those who invest with us in equity and fixed income for the ongoing confidence they have placed in us. The dedication of our team along with what we gain from our size and scale came through in what we delivered during the first quarter, most notably roughly $1.7 billion in high-quality investments purchased at a cash cap rate of 7%; that marks a rise of 90 basis points relative to the investment cash cap rate we posted during last year's fourth quarter and produced an investment spread of 163 basis points, which sits above our historical averages. As we've seen during earlier cycles, once an adjustment period passes, cap rates on our investments have historically tended to move in positive correlation with interest rates, and following the recent increase in rates, that is largely the pattern we have kept seeing this year. Being able to obtain capital at attractive prices has long functioned as a competitive edge for us and stands as evidence of our lengthy record of keeping a conservative balance sheet alongside a diversified real estate portfolio backed by clients who lead in the industries they operate in. In a setting where capital is costly and or hard to come by for a great many of our clients, the value we offer becomes all the more evident; you can see this dynamic at work in the portfolio acquisitions we've recently made public, the active deal pipeline visible right now, and the attractive pricing spread for large portfolio transactions when compared with one-off single asset transactions. Our differentiated platform reaches past the external growth perspective. Lately, we've been taking actions to capitalize on the scale of our portfolio and the track record of our operating business by further building out advanced analytics. This initiative's goal is to create forward-looking and action-oriented insights that draw on the proprietary data we alone hold, built up across 34 years of buying, operating, and selling single-tenant net lease assets. That rich store of information feeds our team's proprietary predictive analytics engine, which we apply in underwriting investments, running portfolios, managing assets, and pursuing development — letting our best-in-class team members make decisions with better information. The tool's forecasting strength should increase alongside our business, and we think it will deliver meaningful value to stakeholders as we sharpen its precision, validate its outputs, and extend its reach into additional industries, property categories, and regions. A central piece of our investment thesis is that our size and scale let us act as a source of capital for best-in-class partners seeking other ways to finance themselves while debt costs stay elevated; during Q1, we reached an agreement to buy as many as 415 top-quality convenience stores from EG Group for $1.5 billion. We anticipate that properties operating under the Cumberland Farms banner will account for more than 80% of the portfolio's total annualized contractual rent, and we expect the deal to close in Q2. This transaction shows why we think our capacity to provide both closing certainty and attractively priced capital as a single-source answer for sale-leaseback deals is especially valuable right now to institutional sellers of real estate; we expect that advantage to keep widening. Abroad, we keep pushing into new geographic verticals and enlarging the total addressable market. During this quarter, we capitalized on attractive international pricing to buy assets valued at roughly $390 million, achieving an initial cash lease yield of 7.6%. Since first entering markets outside the U.S. in 2019, 11.7% of total portfolio annualized contractual rent now comes from those markets. This organic broadening of our platform has driven growth for 4 years running and demonstrates how we can systematically build and scale a new vertical. With the acquisitions pipeline still gaining steam and the progress we've made so far, we are raising our 2023 investment guidance to more than $6 billion, up from the earlier figure of over $5 billion. In line with our investment approach, we continue to keep our balance sheet disciplined. Following our April bond offering, which settled on April 14th, we had roughly $5.6 billion of liquidity, including $1.5 billion in unsettled forward equity. Our present financial standing lets us move toward near-term investment opportunities. Turning to operations, our platform keeps producing durable cash flows that underpin our steady earnings profile. For Q1, we're happy to report 99% occupancy, equal to last quarter and the highest figure at the close of a reporting period in more than 20 years; across 176 leases renewed or newly signed in the quarter, we achieved a 101.7% recapture rate. What we're seeing here stems from the skill of our asset management group and from a steadfast adherence to fundamental capital allocation tenets — among them, targeting best-in-class tenants that frequently sit at a low price point, within service-oriented or non-discretionary sectors. We deliberately spread risk across sectors, regions, and customers, while stressing top-tier real estate sites and strict credit analysis. Our approach to investing is subtle; it isn't merely about chasing investment-grade tenants, who made up 40.8% of annualized contractual rent when the first quarter closed. A number of our most capable operators, Sainsbury's being one example, carry no public debt, meaning they hold no rating whatsoever. Even so, the steadiness of how they run their businesses and the strength of their balance sheets are positive traits matching what an investment-grade rated firm would show; we figure roughly 5.3% of annualized contractual rent derives from unrated operators lacking public debt. We stay dedicated to deals delivering appealing risk-adjusted yields, as our track record demonstrates, and moving ahead, places where — per our rigorous underwriting and analysis — we secure improved returns for each incremental unit of risk taken. Let me spend a moment on Cineworld, accounting for 1.3% of annualized contractual rent. Even with the Chapter 11 bankruptcy still underway, we kept collecting 100% of contractual rent during the first quarter and into April. By March 31, 2023, reserves accumulated on our Cineworld properties totaled $33 million. Receivables still owed, after reserves and not counting straight-line receivables, came to $14.1 million. Talks with this tenant continue, and we'll inform the market about how they conclude when the moment is right. Prior to handing things to Christie, I want to note that back in March, we released our third annual sustainability report, spelling out our sustained dedication to acting as a responsible corporate citizen on behalf of stockholders, our team, the communities where we do business, and the planet. Our ongoing strides on ESG efforts make me proud as we aim to honor our pledge to cultivate sustainable relationships, and I urge everyone listening today to visit the sustainability section of our website and look over the report. With that, let me pass it to Christie.

Christie Kelly

executive
#3

Thank you, Sumit. Alongside our clients and our single unified team, we pulled together to make this a strong quarter across multiple measures, generating AFFO per share of $0.98 for the benefit of everyone with a stake in our company. Worth pointing out is that the same period in 2022 gained roughly $10.2 million from reversals of rental revenue reserves, which created a headwind of about $0.015 per share to our AFFO per share growth in the first quarter of 2023. On top of that, short-term interest rates running higher than a year earlier added another headwind of roughly $0.02 to growth, since our weighted average rate on revolver and commercial paper borrowings came in around 300 basis points above where it stood during the comparable stretch of 2022, on a comparable average borrowing base. Once you set those two factors aside, our AFFO per share grew roughly 3.5% versus the prior year this quarter. As we look at the underlying fundamentals of the business, our attention stays fixed on long-term delivery for those with a stake in the company, and we feel good about what lies ahead. Along those lines, we are lifting the bottom end of our AFFO per share guidance by $0.01, bringing the range to $3.94-$4.03, which works out to 1.7% annual growth at the midpoint of that revised range. The year has gotten off to a bustling and fruitful start when it comes to raising capital. Even with markets still swinging around, we have brought in roughly $3.9 billion of capital during the year, not counting $1.5 billion of forward equity that has yet to settle; back in April, we completed a $1 billion bond offering made up of $400 million in 4.7% senior unsecured notes maturing in 2028 plus $600 million in 4.9% senior unsecured notes maturing in 2033, giving us a weighted average tenor of 8 years and a semiannual yield to maturity of 5.05%. Through that issuance we met our near-term debt issuance requirements and cut our exposure to variable rate revolver and commercial paper borrowings down to nearly nothing following the closing of that transaction on April 14th. During March, we lifted our dividend for the 120th time since first listing publicly in 1994, taking it to an annual rate of $3.06 per share, which marks 3.2% growth over the prior year period. A steady dividend that keeps growing sits at the heart of what we do at Realty Income. We are deeply proud to count ourselves among just 66 members of the S&P 500 Dividend Aristocrats Index, having increased our dividend annually across the last 25 consecutive years. I want to express my gratitude to our one team, whose dedication and hard work have cleared the path for our ongoing growth as we continue building on our record of consistency. With that, I will hand things back to Sumit.

Sumit Roy

executive
#4

Thanks, Christie. So to wrap things up, when markets get shaky or go through dislocation, we try to find value by making the most of what our platform naturally gives us; among those trends are the fairly appealing pricing we keep getting on capital, plus the scale of our portfolio, and we aim to use that to generate distinctive investment chances as a top provider of sale-leaseback capital. Add in the combined abilities of our best-in-class team members, who source, underwrite, and close inventive acquisition opportunities offering strong risk-adjusted returns, and we think our position is very strong to keep building on our competitive advantages for our clients and stakeholders; we're grateful to every one of our stakeholders for the support, loyalty, and trust they give our company. With that said, let's open the line for questions.

Nate Crossett

analyst
#5

Hi there, good afternoon. Yeah, I appreciate the remarks. I wanted to ask about deal flow specifically, comparing the U.S. with Europe. How many deals did you review during the quarter? I believe that's a figure you typically provide. Regarding cap rates. A year ago, the gap between cap rates in the U.S. and Europe was quite narrow. I think they were nearly identical. This quarter, Europe sits 60 basis points wider. I'm just curious whether there's anything worth pointing out there.

Sumit Roy

executive
#6

Thanks for your questions, Nate. Those are good ones. Let's begin with the sourcing figures. During this quarter, we sourced roughly $16 billion in product, and 25% of that came from the international markets. I'd note that if you look back to when we first entered the international markets, the split between international and U.S. has generally been around 30% and 70%, give or take 5%. This falls squarely inside that range. What you may have picked up on, though, is that in terms of closings more recently — both in last year's fourth quarter and this year's first quarter — the international side's contribution has come in somewhat below what you'd typically expect. I'd say the international business has accounted for roughly 35% of volume in terms of what we ultimately close, compared with closer to 20%-22% in this particular quarter. The primary driver of that is we observed a lag in adjustments on the cap rate side within the international markets relative to the U.S. markets. We began seeing cap rate expansion in the U.S. around the middle of the third quarter, into the fourth quarter, and clearly through this year's first quarter. We didn't really have that same experience in the U.K. market and certain other international markets until, I'd say, near the end of the fourth quarter. What was mostly causing potential sellers to rethink the market wasn't so much driven by actual trades occurring, but rather more idiosyncratic to their specific needs around redemption issues or, you know, refinancings that were approaching in the nearer term; that's mainly what's driven these opportunistic transactions that we managed to get across the finish line in last year's fourth quarter and this year's first quarter. That's what's led to cap rates being considerably higher than what I'd describe as the norm, or what we're observing in the everyday market, in some of these, some of these international markets. That accounts for the 60 basis point higher cap rate we were able to achieve. I might add, this is excellent product, largely driven by, you know, idiosyncratic issues being experienced by buyers who wanted to get this off their books, to meet, you know, some of the things I've just discussed; that's, that's the dynamic we've seen with that.

Nate Crossett

analyst
#7

All right, that helps. Perhaps only a single fast question regarding development yields. Those sit clearly under the yields from acquisitions. Are they simply older commitments made prior to rates shifting? Or perhaps you could explain what is going on in that area.

Sumit Roy

executive
#8

Yes. Nate, you have described it perfectly. That is precisely the situation. As you are aware, development obligations carry a far longer lead time. Much of what appears — you know, what you observed during the fourth quarter, the third quarter of last year, and the first quarter of this year, although it is beginning to rise, has not risen quite so rapidly, mainly since what you are seeing, you know, passed through the investment figures were deals we had agreed, I would say 3 quarters back, 4 quarters back. You ought to anticipate the yield on development moving nearer to what we are truly seeing in the investment, you know, traditional acquisitions market across the coming couple of quarters. It is purely a matter of timing.

Brad Heffern

analyst
#9

Yes, thanks. Christie, could you walk us through a few of the pluses and minuses in the guidance, and explain why there's just a 1 cent bump at the low end when the acquisition guidance went up and the expense categories are trending favorably?

Christie Kelly

executive
#10

Sure thing, Brad. So, I think, first off, regarding what Sumit talked about and raising our acquisitions guidance to more than $6 billion, we're staying conservative on that. Looking ahead to the back half of the year, even though conditions are still strong. Like Sumit said, we're taking a wait-and-see approach as things play out. Another point on the guidance we've laid out — and I touched on some of this in my prepared remarks — is the headwinds we're facing on the debt side. Even though we've been very focused on making sure we're de-risking our balance sheet, and you can see that in the deals we've closed through April. We're watching how that might develop in the back half of the year and don't think it will ease beyond the competitive cost of capital we've been able to achieve compared with last year. Then lastly, on the positive trends you saw with the tightening of the G&A guidance, we're staying especially disciplined given this macroeconomic backdrop and are concentrated on controlling our G&A. On top of that, there are the advantages of size and scale, and you can see that over the years in how G&A trends relative to revenues. Finally, when it comes to the unreimbursed property expense margin and the tightening there, we're simply continuing the positive trends we've been able to deliver on.

Brad Heffern

analyst
#11

Okay, thanks for that. Sumit.

Christie Kelly

executive
#12

Thanks, Brad.

Brad Heffern

analyst
#13

When you look at this EG Group transaction, would you say you're coming across a greater number of these really big sale-leaseback chances compared with the typical flow? And has the level of competition around those deals dropped off as well?

Sumit Roy

executive
#14

Not at all, Brad. I wouldn't characterize it as having thinned out. Actually, that momentum has kept going, and our expectation is that it stays robust. You know, I'm not sure of the exact count of billion-dollar-plus deals, but deals of that size are going to be, well, the thing that fuels some of the short-term financing challenges plenty of companies will need to work through. Given what's unfolding among banks — with fewer institutions around to supply capital, and the price of that capital being where it is because of the rate backdrop — it's my genuine belief that sale-leasebacks will stay a highly appealing route for bringing in capital to help companies tackle their financing requirements. Remember, EG had never executed a sale-leaseback before. That choice was available to them for a great many years. You know, they decided to take this route, mostly to tackle certain leverage worries they were carrying on the balance sheet. Our expectation is that this pattern keeps up. That's what's behind why we concluded we ought to lift our acquisition guidance by $1 billion.

Joshua Dennerlein

analyst
#15

Hello, all, and I appreciate you spending some time with us. I wanted to ask a bit more about the EG Group transaction. I'm just wondering how that transaction came about, and perhaps what capacity you have to collaborate with them even more down the road.

Sumit Roy

executive
#16

Appreciate that question, Josh. In the U.K. market, EG is clearly a highly established brand. Neil and I had been reaching out to them for some time, as well as to TDR Capital, who had been their capital partners for a while, and you know, this was a relationship where we understood that early on, when we began talking with them, they weren't especially keen on pursuing sale-leaseback financing. I believe that connection ended up working in our favor when the deal came our way, once they decided to go the sale-leaseback route to address some of their shorter-term capital requirements. This was a competitive situation. Eastdil ran it; we, you know, we went through... We were clearly also in direct, close communication with EG. Three finalists were in the mix, and we felt the deal came to us because of our reputation, our certainty of closing, and the time we'd invested in building a relationship with them. That's really what won us the deal in the end, along with our capacity to be creative and, you know, they had certain requests, and our ability to satisfy those requests, I believe, also worked to our advantage. I think every one of those elements contributed to, you know, us winning the transaction even though we weren't the top bidder.

Joshua Dennerlein

analyst
#17

All right. Perhaps we shift the topic slightly. What's your take on increasing or building up your exposure to tenants with lower credit quality, as a means of sort of broadening the scope and sustaining growth?

Sumit Roy

executive
#18

Well Josh, that's a really solid question. I'm going to circle back to that EG Group discussion we were just having. When you examine the portfolio itself, Cumberland Farms makes up 80% of it. I'd like to remind everyone that 3 years back, when Cumberland Farms came up for sale, every one of the natural operators showed tremendous interest in this extremely well-run private company. The numbers being thrown around for a possible sale-leaseback were in the low 5s, high 4s zip code; ultimately EG Group came out on top in that transaction, and clearly they had no interest in using sale-leaseback financing to get the buyout done, yet that tells you the caliber of the real estate Cumberland Farms was commanding at that moment. Jump ahead to now, and the four wall coverages on these assets have done nothing but get better, and I'd say dramatically so. The assets are still precisely the same assets, and we managed to get this deal done at a 6.9%. Sure, if you look at EG Group, the credit operating these assets is sub-investment grade. If you look at the asset quality, it hasn't changed at all; our view is that EG Group runs a very good convenience store business. We can observe that in the track record they've built in the U.K., and we definitely observe it in how these assets have performed, comparing where they stood 3 years ago and commanded a price in the low fives, high fours against what we were able to achieve. So now you jump ahead and ask, "Alright, you're picking up 150, 160 basis points of extra spread on this real estate. Are you getting paid for the credit risk that comes with the operator?" That's exactly where risk-adjusted returns enter the picture for us, and it sits so front and center in every single thing we do. For us, the answer was a resounding yes, we are being compensated. As we've said before, an investment grade rating is a by-product of the actual underwriting for us. It isn't something we chase; it gets factored into the collectibility of the rent flow across the 20-year or 25-year leases we underwrite to. But in the end, we evaluate every transaction on a risk-adjusted basis, and if it makes sense, even though it may or may not carry an investment grade rating, that's something we will keep pursuing.

Michael Goldsmith

analyst
#19

Good afternoon, and thank you very much for taking my question. Sumit, at the beginning of this call you mentioned that momentum in the business has continued. Could you just talk—since re-rates usually function as lagging indicators, could you sort of describe what visibility you have into the business and into that ongoing momentum? I'm just trying to get a better grasp of how long a runway you have where you feel really confident about the spreads and the backdrop, because over the last several quarters, everything has seemed quite solid.

Sumit Roy

executive
#20

Yeah. Michael, that's an excellent question. Everything is moving at such a rapid pace. A bank shows up in the headlines every other day. The news moves extremely quickly. How should we think about our business, and why do I use terms such as continued momentum? Even if this could be a lagging indicator, you know, we examine transactions and lease renewals on a daily basis. When we observe the reality that we can keep producing releasing spreads of 102%, 103%, sure, it lags, but honestly, you know, only by weeks, by months. That provides me with ongoing hope that, look, for our product—you know, where we compete in the market, and so on—there is still a considerable amount of demand. It shows up in certain favorable releasing spreads that we report to the market. The second element, which is far more forward-looking, is this: what are the ongoing conversations we're having that subsequently help propel our pipeline on the investment side? What types of conversations are we having? What is the magnitude of the conversations we're having? What yield is tied, you know, to those conversations? I believe all of that gives us, you know, confidence that momentum is still there. The reality that we managed to raise $3.1 billion over a span of three months, you know, in the fixed income market. The reality that we managed to close on $800 million of equity and have $1.5 billion, sorry, of unsettled equity, once again, keeps giving me, you know, confidence that even on our capital side, for us, you know, we remain in a highly favorable position. We have the opportunity, we have the ability to raise capital, we have the ability to achieve spreads above what we have historically delivered. Now, with international markets beginning to show a bit more positive movement for us on the cap rate side, that is what gives me the confidence to state that we have continued momentum in the business.

Michael Goldsmith

analyst
#21

Appreciate that. For my next question, it seems an office has been established by you in Amsterdam. Could you share a bit about what advantages that brings? Should we take it to mean that additional international deals are coming, or does it let you source deals more effectively across Europe? Do any tax benefits come along with having an office in that location? Thank you.

Sumit Roy

executive
#22

Yes. What made it necessary for us to set up a Netherlands office was mostly a result of the structure we have put in place, which gives us the flexibility to keep expanding in international markets. When I say international markets, I mainly mean the U.K. and Western Europe. A substance question largely drove this — you know, whether we have or need employees located in Amsterdam so that this tax structure we've managed to create, the one providing us that flexibility, can be satisfied. That is mostly what has driven, you know, a couple of hires we've brought on. The bulk of other hires will stay in the U.K. and possibly in some of those other countries once we start hitting a core size in terms of our portfolio. Yes. That is what truly drove opening a Netherlands office and bringing on a few folks who can assist us in managing our international business.

Analyst

analyst
#23

Thanks. A few of your competitors have suggested that U.S. cap rates might be nearing their peak. Are you observing the same thing during the second quarter? And on the other side, in Europe, you noted that cap rates didn't begin shifting until Q4 or Q1 of 2023. Do you believe there's still additional room there, and that this could serve as a tailwind for you compared with peers? The point of my question isn't to claim that European cap rates will rise above the 7/6. I realize those one-off deals may not occur each quarter. Is the direction you're witnessing in Europe upward, and could that improve your spread versus peers?

Sumit Roy

executive
#24

Yeah. Thanks for asking, Harsh. I won't go as far as claiming that we're seeing cap rates rise even more in international markets than they have in the U.S. Just consider where our 10-year bonds stand. They're practically stacked right on top of each other; those benefits exist now just as they did 12 months ago. I don't anticipate outsized movement in either region. Could we encounter circumstances, though, unique ones that emerge largely because of what you called idiosyncratic issues? Yes, that might generate additional cap rates. As a market overall, I don't foresee a significantly greater advantage in either market when it comes to cap rates. You're correct. You put it well that cap rate movement happened more slowly in Europe than in the U.S., but I believe they've mostly closed the gap. Similar to some of our competitors, it's reasonable to say we haven't witnessed ongoing cap rate expansion compared with what we've gone through over the past, say, 1.5 months, 2 months. That doesn't mean cap rates couldn't keep shifting. There's simply a great deal of uncertainty in today's market regarding banks. The moment we begin to think the banking crisis is behind us, another name surfaces. As you're aware, many of these regional banks served as the lifeblood for financing developers and other local real estate operators. Might those circumstances reappear in the form of forced sales, where we could benefit, which would then affect cap rates? Yes, that's possible. That's why I'm reluctant to declare that cap rate movements have finished and will stay at today's level. I'd say that, much like what other companies in our space have seen, we've gone through something of a leveling off when it comes to cap rates. That said, I'm not convinced the story here is fully finished.

Analyst

analyst
#25

Understood. That provides useful context. In the last few calls, you've brought up how income-producing sales of vacant properties have been climbing over recent quarters, while every asset sale involved vacant buildings. You indicated this would essentially become business as usual — when that represents the highest and best use for those properties, and we can deploy the proceeds more productively by acquiring something accretive, that's what you'll pursue. Could you help us understand who the potential buyers for these properties are? Has demand for these properties shifted in any way across the last few years, and how does it compare with the pre-COVID period?

Sumit Roy

executive
#26

Harsh, that's a difficult one to answer. What we're seeing is that every asset has a price. If you're ready to accept a price, then essentially you can sell a property. Everything we got done during the first quarter consisted of vacant sales, since that was the only thing we truly had to deal with. The unlevered IRR came in around 6%, below what we've historically seen, mostly because of one or two assets we simply wanted off our books, since we believed the long-term outlook — or even the short-term outlook, for that matter — didn't warrant keeping them. Looking back, the norm has been a high single-digit unlevered IRR, which translates into a double-digit levered return profile; that's what we've typically achieved, and I believe we can return to that level. As for who the buyers are in this market, I'd say the majority of those looking to purchase these assets are people who intend to run their operations from them. They aren't seeking a lease arrangement. They want ownership and control of the property. These are generally not institutional-quality purchasers but rather local purchasers who plan to operate a business at that site and wish to hold the real estate for that purpose. That describes the buyer profile. Previously, we would also have included developers in the pool — naturally, developers continue to poke around. Since the debt markets have become somewhat more difficult, demand from that category of prospective buyers may have softened a bit. As I see it today, owner-operators account for the bulk of activity driving the sale process.

Greg McGinniss

analyst
#27

Hey, good afternoon.

Sumit Roy

executive
#28

Hi, Greg.

Greg McGinniss

analyst
#29

Turning back to sale-leaseback. It seems likely that additional operators are now starting to look at this kind of financing for the first time. Could you describe which kinds of tenants you're beginning to speak with initially, and who you may be going after? I'm not sure whether that involves cold calls or working through brokers, or whatever the case may be. What's your approach to locating operators who perhaps hadn't thought about sale-leasebacks before, yet might be receptive to one at this point?

Sumit Roy

executive
#30

Yes, there are many channels we use to find deals, and I expect that will stay pretty steady everywhere. Of course, we think we have a handpicked roster of parties we've been contacting and talking with, and EG Group is one we've already mentioned. We hadn't anticipated a sale-leaseback happening soon, but it turned out to be quite attractive to them as a source of capital. There are other similar names out there. I won't get into specifics, as you'd expect, Greg. This is something we pursue in the U.S. We do it quite regularly when we go to the U.K. and Western Europe. There are clearly well-known parties who hold a great deal of real estate but aren't in the real estate industry, and those are the ones we've identified and sought to connect with. The remaining channels are the usual ones. Brokers, investment bankers, associates who might have worked at particular firms and therefore have an entry point there. Every one of those is a path we use fully to keep originating our transactions, and they remain our sourcing paths.

Greg McGinniss

analyst
#31

All right. So I suppose I'll discuss source deal volume somewhat, and it's kind of a multiple-part question. To start with, whenever we refer to source deal volume, are we counting transactions in which sellers simply hold cap rate expectations that aren't realistic? Next, do you have any notion, or any feeling, regarding how many sellers might be sitting on the sidelines, essentially waiting for financial markets to calm down a bit? And third, what portion of deal volume historically do you believe came from cap rates moving lower, which was boosting exit IRRs and now is likely something that no longer happens?

Sumit Roy

executive
#32

Greg, regarding your initial question, the answer is yes. Even in cases where cap rate expectations don't make sense, if someone approaches us and we've identified it as a deal but have zero desire to pursue it further, it still gets counted in our source volume. I'd say that, well, many people, many prospective property sellers are waiting on the sidelines. They see that the pool of buyers is certainly far more selective regarding cap rates, since those buyers must operate in the same climate where the expense of that capital is significantly greater today than it was 6 months ago. Instead of, you know, damaging their product, they simply refrain. I think that, well, I can't confirm this fully, but when you examine our sourcing figures, they're $16 billion, $17 billion, $18 billion; those were the 3 figures we recorded across the last 3 quarters; yet it's somewhat beneath, you know, the $25 billion-$26 billion we saw, you know, during the first 2 quarters of last year and quarters prior to that. So, you know, part of it is clearly showing up in the sourcing figures too. It remains a very robust sourcing figure. I believe as individuals delay more and more and this instability persists, I believe we will begin to see a number of these sellers arrive and say, "Look, I have an event," whether it's a releasing, a refinancing situation or something similar, that's going to compel them to say, "Okay, we accept the reality that, you know, a higher cap rate will be necessary." We've encountered a few such instances where, you know, 5 months back or 4 months back, we had a grocery operator who approached us and, you know, they sought a specific cap rate, and we replied that was too wealthy for us, and we stated, "Okay, here's where we believe we could have completed that deal." That was roughly 5 months ago. They've returned to us now asking, "Can you match that?" We responded, "No, we can't. Our cost of capital has shifted, but we could do this." They're prepared to transact at that elevated level now. I realize this is one piece of anecdotal proof of how, you know, it requires time, which explains why a lag always exists. It's beginning to unfold. I do anticipate sourcing figures will begin to decline the longer this, you know, this lending-side instability persists, which clearly generates fantastic opportunities for us.

Eric Wolfe

analyst
#33

Appreciate it. I was hoping to build on what you mentioned just a moment ago, plus your remarks about these new banks that seem to be making headlines every other day. I'm just wondering if anything going on at present with regional banks has already begun creating fresh opportunities in your case. What I have in mind specifically is sectors that depend on their credit. I believe you brought up certain local developers, but really anything dependent on regional bank credit where you could be seeing opportunities now that weren't available to you in the past.

Sumit Roy

executive
#34

Yes, Eric, I believe this creates chances for us in a number of ways. Clearly, a sale-leaseback works well as a benchmark for generating capital, particularly when you stack it up against the debt offerings out there right now — it's quite attractive. What it costs to raise money that way is cheaper than what the market can deliver. I believe this will unlock possibilities from the conventional channel. It will also unlock possibilities since fewer lenders exist now than those who historically took part on the secured portion of the structure. There are still players using that capital stack who must refinance their capital or simply prefer to raise it rather than pursue a sale-leaseback. Given that fewer parties are involved, I really think you can put yourself in a position to compete in that space, since it closely mirrors your usual underwriting, though with some additional subtleties regarding how you evaluate debt instruments as an investment. I believe it will unlock possibilities there too. Many of these alternative capital asset managers and capital providers, and so on, I think they're positioned quite well to capitalize on those scenarios, and so are we.

Eric Wolfe

analyst
#35

Thanks, that's useful. I've just got one thing about cinemas. I realize it's only a modest slice of your business, but I'm interested in your view on what would have to change before a more liquid market exists for these assets and, perhaps, in the case of Cineworld in particular, once its balance sheet and leases are presumably restructured, do you expect a market will emerge to sell those assets?

Sumit Roy

executive
#36

Yeah, I believe that's right, Eric. Well, this aligns with what I've consistently said, particularly regarding Cineworld; discussions are still ongoing, so I won't comment further on that. Some news came out this morning that, in my view, is quite favorable for the Cineworld brand — they've actually announced a date for when they intend to emerge, and they've managed to bring in fresh capital. All of that strikes me as, you know, pretty encouraging. But what I've discussed regarding our own portfolio relates to inbounds. Certain sites are clearly seeing strong demand for alternative uses; in a sense, this reflects, you know, a working out of what the highest and best use is for some of these sites. Moving through this process speeds up that eventual result. We are, you know, look, we believe things will turn out just fine. As you noted, it's a really tiny share of our total portfolio. Honestly speaking, I'm quite hopeful that when our next quarterly call comes around, all of this will be in the rearview mirror. Those opportunities I've mentioned — essentially repositioning certain assets toward a different use — can begin to materialize, and we can genuinely begin telling you about what those opportunities look like. We feel fairly confident about, you know, how things stand with Cineworld.

Ravi Vaidya

analyst
#37

Hello, Ravi Vaidya here, calling in for Haendel St. Juste. During the prior quarter, you mentioned that roughly 4% of total ABR sits on your watchlist. I'm curious where that figure stands at present, and which additional categories beyond movie theaters you're keeping an eye on — or perhaps hold a bearish stance toward?

Sumit Roy

executive
#38

Yeah. That's a fair question. Our watchlist sits at approximately 4.4% as of today. As you noted, the theater sector accounts for the bulk of it. A few other segments we keep monitoring — and bear in mind that inclusion on our watchlist doesn't necessarily signal a credit problem; it simply reflects our assessment of the property, its location, and what the end result will likely be. It blends credit considerations with real estate underwriting, yet in the end, the watchlist comes down to how desirable those sites and tenants remain over the long haul. Beyond theaters, I'd mention restaurants are on it. Certain more discretionary-style formats appear as well, such as home furnishing. You'll also see a handful of daycare centers and a few other businesses that lack strong capitalization. That sums up the composition of the watchlist.

Ravi Vaidya

analyst
#39

Thanks. That's useful. One additional item here. You know, a competitor of yours disposed of movie theaters at a 7/8. Would you ever think about offloading theaters around that level? Or, what have your talks looked like when it comes to pricing and about the theaters, given that, as you mentioned, it represented such a big piece of the watchlist?

Sumit Roy

executive
#40

Yeah; that's honestly quite a strong price, and my guess is whoever acquired it is likely a developer. You know, and we've run our own numbers, and from our standpoint, we believe, you know, the strongest path to generating value would be to keep these assets, and then, particularly the ones where we hold a view that they can be, you know, redeveloped, and so on, and realize that view once we've got full control of that asset. Honestly, there's so much conversation happening with Cineworld right now that I don't want to get into specifics, but that conversation has to be finished. From what I understand, you know, many of these assets that will now be listed for sale, and so forth, have already gone through rent renegotiation, everything's already reflected in the pricing, and those cap rates being quoted are being quoted based on those newly adjusted rent figures. You know, from our perspective, if we think, "Hey, let's simply keep these assets," we'd far prefer to take these assets back and reposition them, maybe with some extra capital, but generate significantly more value for, you know, for our investors, then that's the route we'd take; we haven't gone out and tried to locate a market. You know, we've received plenty of unsolicited calls, I can tell you that, but we truly haven't pursued trying to, you know, sell any of our theater assets; we want to get the Cineworld situation resolved. I believe with today's news, I believe that date is definitely moving nearer, before we begin to determine what the best economic outcome is.

Ronald Kamdem

analyst
#41

Hi, just two short things. To return to what was said at the start regarding the overseas portfolio sitting at 11.7% — I'm just wondering where that figure might head. Clearly, tax regimes differ from place to place and so on, but in your view, how might that figure move over the coming couple of years? Clearly, it all depends on where opportunities arise.

Sumit Roy

executive
#42

Okay, so over the past two quarters or so, those still made up 20%, 25% of the volume we transact, you know. Obviously, that 11% ought to keep creeping upward as time goes on. It was climbing at a far faster pace back when we were processing a lot more transactions. My expectation is that we return to that more typical 30%-35%, and perhaps beyond that, you know, depending on how certain things unfold. I'm hopeful that we can keep expanding our pie. Look, we're always evaluating new geographies, and particularly in a moment like this, places that previously felt somewhat beyond our grasp are beginning to feel a bit more attainable and more attractive right now. As we bring on additional geographies, as we keep strengthening our relationships, and so on, I can see this figure, 11%, continuing to rise and becoming a larger share of the whole portfolio.

Ronald Kamdem

analyst
#43

Okay, so I'd like to briefly bring up two areas — first, consumer-focused medical, and second, gaming, which I believe hasn't come up yet — and just give a quick sense of how the opportunity set is shaping up. Given what's happened over the last couple of weeks and so on, has it cooled off? What's your thinking on those?

Sumit Roy

executive
#44

Gaming remains something that draws a great deal of interest from us, Ron. The thing is, what we have with the Boston asset is simply difficult to duplicate. We've got a fantastic partner in Greg over at Wynn, and we'll keep pushing to try to uncover new transactions — whether we'll ever manage to duplicate the Boston one, I can't say, but something of a comparable kind, with a comparable level of dominance in specific markets. We're reviewing transactions. Every single day, we're reviewing transactions. The expectations around pricing are maybe still something we're working our way through. If we can reach an understanding that serves the parties involved, then I believe, and I hope, we'll be in a position to expand that portion of our business. It isn't a fait accompli. What I mean is, it is... For us, the bar sits higher. The encouraging part is that there is product available that clears that bar. We're quite hopeful. As for Consumer-centric, that's a business we love. We've been operating in that business. We've only just coined the phrase as a way to, well, define a section of our portfolio that we've clearly had a strong interest in. The dental transaction we completed in the fourth quarter of last year helped speed up that portion of the business. Look, I don't want to revisit the thesis. I believe we've already laid that out. For a range of reasons, that business appeals to us. In certain respects, I'd say this is a business that's being defined, right, well, right before our eyes, and we want to take part in the potential upside that I see on the real estate side. Once again, teaming up with the right operators — forward-thinking operators who hold a similar, well, philosophy when it comes to delivery of healthcare — I think, and I hope, will lead to a slew of transactions for us on the consumer-centric side. Both of those areas stay of high interest to us, Ron.

John Massocca

analyst
#45

Good afternoon.

Sumit Roy

executive
#46

Hi, John.

John Massocca

analyst
#47

We're near the top of the hour, so I'll keep it to one question. Clearly, theaters saw a same-store drop, and that was sort of addressed, yet your QSR portfolio also posted a same-store drop. I was curious about the cause. Did it stem from credit problems some franchise operators faced earlier in the year, or was it something else that's more idiosyncratic?

Sumit Roy

executive
#48

No, no. Here's the thing. The total same-store drop mostly came from what Christie mentioned when explaining why our AFFO per share stayed flat. Essentially, when you compare the reversals recorded in Q1 of 2022 against those recorded in Q1 of 2023, there was a net $9 million reversal that helped us greatly in Q1 of 2022, and we lacked that benefit, meaning we had a tough comparison this quarter. In the same-store math, that clearly caused the very mild same-store growth figure. Without it, looking only at the core portfolio, we'd have seen 1.5% growth. As for QSR, the details relate more to a few concepts that are struggling. Boston Market keeps making headlines. It represents a tiny share of our total allocation. I believe it's down to basis points now. That is what pulls down the same-store sales figures—same-store growth figures—for that industry. It comes down to a few specific names. On the whole, as I said, we'd have grown 1.5% if not for those reversals in Q1 of last year.

John Massocca

analyst
#49

All right. So how do we see the franchise restaurant segment overall? They began the year on a fairly difficult note, you know. With the consumer still holding up well, has anything settled down? Basically, when you're speaking with tenants and reviewing potential new transactions, how does the future look for that particular tenant category?

Sumit Roy

executive
#50

Yes. It's exactly what you'd anticipate, John. Casual dining really comes down to which concepts you're looking at. Several of them keep delivering really strong numbers. Take Outback — I came across their results recently, and their same-store sales were up. Chili's, I believe, tells a comparable story. With other concepts, though, performance isn't nearly as strong. Fortunately, the 2 I just named happen to be our biggest exposures. We also hold some smaller concepts. The ones that tend to have trouble are those smaller concepts lacking the balance sheet strength to raise menu prices or absorb certain expenses, and so on. Once again, none of this represents a major portion of our portfolio, and every one of these is an area we're keeping an eye on. It's already on our watch list. That's where I'd anticipate seeing some degree of disruption, though nothing further is anticipated based on current conditions.

Linda Tsai

analyst
#51

Hi, just a fast question. On the broader market overall — when you consider how much dry powder is sitting on the sidelines ready to go into net lease, which industries show the strongest demand?

Sumit Roy

executive
#52

Interesting question, Linda. If we take a look, and I'll go back, my sense is convenience stores plus grocery. Those are the sectors where we managed to complete the largest number of deals, though that reflects our own selection bias. Those are sectors we favor — I can't speak to that across the board. What I can say is, yes, you're correct, there's plenty of capital, but the cost of that capital isn't uniform. That's among our greatest advantages — our cost of capital keeps being incredibly competitive and lower than nearly everyone else. In certain respects, we're in a highly favorable spot to capitalize on what the market is showing us; we stay very focused on the areas that interest us.

Linda Tsai

analyst
#53

Thank you.

Sumit Roy

executive
#54

Thank you, Linda.

Sumit Roy

executive
#55

Thanks for joining us today. We’re eager to connect with a lot of you at the Nareit conference coming up in June. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#56

Thanks. That wraps up the conference call for today, everyone; we appreciate all of you for joining today's presentation. At this point you can go ahead and disconnect your lines, and have a great day.

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