Realty Income Corporation (O) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
October 30, 2023
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorGood day, and welcome to the Realty Income conference call. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Steve Bakke, Vice President, Capital Markets and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Steve Bakke
executiveGood morning. Welcome to the joint conference call to discuss Realty Income's acquisition of Spirit Realty Capital, which was announced earlier today. Discussing the transaction today will be Sumit Roy, President and Chief Executive Officer at Realty Income; and Jackson Shey, President and Chief Executive Officer at Spirit Realty Capital. During this conference call, we will make certain statements that may be considered forward-looking statements under federal securities law. The company's actual future results may differ significantly from the matters discussed in any forward-looking statements. We will disclose in greater detail the factors that may cause such differences in the company's SEC filings. We will be observing a 2-question limit during the Q&A portion of the call in order to give everyone the opportunity to participate. If you would like to ask additional questions, you may reenter the queue. I will now turn the call over to our CEO, Sumit Roy.
Sumit Roy
executiveThanks, Steve. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our call today. As announced this morning, the Boards of Directors of Realty Income and Spirit Realty Capital have unanimously approved an all-stock acquisition of Spirit by Realty Income, which will further position Realty Income as the leading net lease REIT in the world with a pro forma enterprise value of approximately $63 billion. We estimate that the transaction will be over 2.5% accretive to annualized AFFO per share, with the accretion supported by the assumption of approximately $4 billion of debt with a weighted average rate of around 3.5% or roughly 300 basis points below our 10-year secondary bond yield. The accretion for the transaction serves as the foundation for 2024 AFFO per share growth and represents compelling basis with an implied cap rate in the mid-7% area. Upon closing, Realty Income would become the fourth largest REIT in the S&P 500 by enterprise value. We view this transaction as another example of how our unique platform can create shareholder value by capitalizing on our competitive advantages of size and scale to consolidate the fragmented net lease real estate market. Under the terms of the agreement, Spirit shareholders will receive 0.762 shares of Realty Income common stock for every share of Spirit common stock they own. Upon closing of the merger, Realty Income and Spirit shareholders will own approximately 87% and 13%, respectively, of the combined company. This $9.3 billion transaction is expected to be leverage-neutral to Realty Income and requires no additional capital raise to complete the merger, which we view as particularly important given the current market backdrop. To put it in perspective, the size of this transaction eclipses our total investment volume for all of 2022, which was a record year for investments for Realty Income. As a testament to the unique scalability of our business in the real estate industry, we estimate annual G&A synergies of approximately $50 million or approximately $30 million on a cash basis, excluding stock-based compensation. Our ability to absorb over 2,000 properties while achieving material cost savings is a testament to the tireless efforts of our team members who have been instrumental in building a world-class net lease platform. We expect to realize these synergies in the first 12 to 18 months post-closing. This should result in a cash G&A margin of 2.8% on a combined basis and further improve our EBITDA margin, which currently stands at over 95%. Our recent merger with VEREIT has honed our institutional knowledge to efficiently onboard this portfolio, taking full advantage of the scale of our operating platform and the efficiencies provided by our recent investments in technology and process improvement. We expect this transaction to be a credit positive as we expect to enhance our size and scale while maintaining our key credit metrics. We remain committed to our A3 / A- credit ratings together with conservative leverage ratios, and we will continue to target a net debt and preferred equity to EBITDA ratio in the mid 5x area on a run rate basis. Spirit's portfolio is highly complementary to ours and consists of over 2,000 properties with significant overlap in our existing key industries and clients. 14 of the combined company's top 20 clients overlap, allowing Realty Income to reinforce and deepen our relationships with key operating partners. Similar to our portfolio, the Spirit's portfolio is comprised primarily of properties leased to retail clients that offer a nondiscretionary, low price point or service-oriented product to the consumer. As we have proven over decades, these traits in a diversified portfolio result in durability of cash flow during periods of economic uncertainty, further supporting the reliability of our monthly dividend, which will not change as a result of this transaction. In addition to its retail portfolio, over 25% of Spirit's rent is generated from industrial properties, which will result in a modest increase to our industrial concentration from 13% to 15%. Our portfolio diversification is enhanced through this transaction. Our rent concentration to 9 of our current top 10 industries will decrease as will the concentration to 18 of our current top 20 clients. Of note, Cineworld will no longer be a top 20 clients of the combined portfolio and will be replaced by Home Depot. Lifetime Fitness and BJ's warehouse are the only 2 current top 20 clients of Realty Income that will increase in exposure. Spirit's top client Lifetime Fitness represents 4.2% of their rental revenue and has been a close partner of ours for several years. Our exposure to Lifetime will increase from 1.5% to 1.9% of our total portfolio annualized contractual rent, elevating them from our 12th largest client to our eighth largest. This is an example of how relationships that are already strong will be reinforced and deepened as we become an even more prominent partner to our clients, who we view as amongst the most successful, innovative and well-respected companies in the world. The benefit of greater client and industry diversification is that it will extend our runway to grow in our target swim lanes, amplifying our competitive position when we are competing for large-scale transactions. As we have demonstrated over the last year, our scalability as a platform has directly translated to a pipeline of high-profile portfolio and sale leaseback transactions, several of which have been proprietary deals negotiated on a relationship basis. The enhanced size, scale and diversification of the combined portfolio further positions Realty Income as the real estate partner of choice for large-scale net lease transactions, particularly given the current interest rate backdrop. To illustrate this dynamic, giving effect to the closing of the transaction, our portfolio will generate approximately $4.5 billion of annualized rental revenue. For every $1.5 billion of acquisition volume to a single credit or industry, our rent exposure to that creditor industry will increase by approximately 2% compared to around 3% based on our current size. Spirit shareholders will benefit by being part of a larger platform as that same $1.5 billion acquisition would have resulted in a 13% exposure to that credit or industry and would have exceeded their revolving credit facility size by $300 million. We are excited to not only curate new relationships through this transaction, but to deepen existing ones. Our familiarity with many of the industries and clients within Spirit's portfolio provided us with a unique perspective as we underwrote the assets. To supplement our institutional knowledge and experience, we utilized our proprietary predictive analytics tool to layer on another level of review. The rigor of this analysis gives us conviction that the risk-adjusted return potential of this transaction is extremely compelling. We believe we are the natural buyer of this portfolio given our existing footprint and our proven track record of sourcing, underwriting and closing on large-scale transactions. In addition, I'm confident that the experience, talent and dedication of our team members will generate even more value from these assets in the future. We are humbled to continue to grow into a more prominent company within the public company investable universe. Post merger, we expect to enhance our position among the top 200 companies of the S&P 500. After giving effect to the merger agreement's fixed exchange ratio and the 3-month average daily trading volume of Realty Income and Spirit, we estimate the combined company stock could trade over $300 million of value on a daily basis, enhancing our position as 1 of the most actively traded REITs in the S&P 500. Our highly liquid share currency and increasing representation in key benchmark equity indices is expected to create natural demand for the stock through index rebalancing as almost 50% of our shares are currently owned by passive investors. Additionally, more trading volume will only add to our capital markets flexibility, allowing us to further grow our unparalleled capacity to access the capital markets in a highly efficient manner, another competitive advantage amplified through this merger. Our track record of accretive and well-timed acquisitions is reinforced by this transaction, which is the fourth large-scale real estate acquisitions we have completed over the past 12 months and is our third M&A transaction since 2013. We hope to continue demonstrating to the investment community that our growth levers are deep, differentiated from any other real estate sector and distinctive within the net lease sector. Before handing it over to Jackson, my team and I would like to extend our appreciation for the professionalism, responsiveness and collaboration. He and the Spirit Realty team have exemplified throughout the underwriting and diligence period. Together, we are confident that our collective shareholder base will realize immediate value from this transaction from both an earnings accretion perspective as well as a strategic one. Jackson?
Jackson Hsieh
executiveThank you, Sumit. As many of you know, upon my appointment as CEO in 2017, Spirit required an immediate corporate transformation to create the company you see today. Owing to the relentless efforts of our associates and the leadership team, along with the support from our Board of Directors, we've achieved commendable milestones. Our team members met every challenge and completely overhauled Spirit's processes, developing proprietary technology tools and systems that we believe will benefit the combined platform going forward. Our asset management-centric approach allowed us to rapidly sell and spin off over $4 billion of non-core real estate and replace them with high-quality tenants in well-located properties situated in diverse and durable industries. Finally, our BBB rated balance sheet with over $4 billion in below-market fixed-rate debt with well-laddered maturities provides tremendous value in the current high rate environment. Our merger with Realty Income is the culmination of all these efforts. With the Realty merger, Spirit's investors, including common and preferred stockholders and unsecured bondholders will immediately benefit from the improved cost and access to capital, along with Realty's A-rated balance sheet and impressive track record of dividend and earnings growth. I am confident that in the current macro environment being part of a larger and more diversified company with greater and more attractive access to capital will reduce risk and deliver growing cash flows to shareholders. With that, I'll turn it back to Sumit.
Sumit Roy
executiveThank you, Jackson. We are grateful for the support of all our stakeholders and are invigorated by the opportunity afforded to us through this transaction. In conclusion, I would like to recap 5 key takeaways to summarize the benefits realized from this transaction. First, this is an AFFO per share accretive transaction as we expect over 2.5% accretion with room for upside given our conservative underwriting. Second, Spirit's portfolio is highly complementary to ours, which augments diversification of industry and client exposure. Third, utilizing Spirit's portable capital stack with below-market debt enhances our implied investment spread on the transaction. Fourth, no new capital will be required to finance the transaction, a positive in today's capital markets environment. And finally, the transaction is leverage neutral, preserving our A3 / A- credit rating and maintaining each of our key leverage ratios. Thank you for your interest in today's exciting announcement, and we will now open it up for questions. Operator?
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] The first question today comes from Michael Goldsmith from UBS.
Michael Goldsmith
analystCongratulations to everyone involved. Sumit, the first question is just on the size and scale that Realty Income is becoming. You're already the largest player, you're moving up the rankings in terms of size of REIT. So, can you just talk a little bit about how important scale is to you at this point? You also did the VEREIT integration not that long ago. And so you have reached experience on how adding size and scale can impact your platform. So maybe we outline like what you learned from VEREIT and then how you're going to -- how that's going to benefit you going forward?
Sumit Roy
executiveMichael. Very good questions. If we step back and look at what Realty Income has done over the last 12 months, I think you will find that we've done close to $1 billion transactions -- $4 billion transactions. And what that is an indication of is how the sale-leaseback market globally is becoming more mature and growing. And companies large in size are now thinking of sale leaseback as a potential source of raising capital. And I think some of the transactions that we've talked about that we have shown to the market over the last 4 quarters is a testament to that comment. So size and scale continues to be incredibly important to be a true solution provider to these large companies. And 1 of the examples that we have put out in the investment deck that I think you should be able to find on our website, if we do $1.5 billion sale leaseback, in our current state, that would result in, call it, around 3% of rental concentration. Post this transaction, it will result in only 2%. And that's a 33% diversification benefit that this particular transaction continues to afford us. And I believe that the size of transactions, the solutions required by the market will only continue to increase. And therefore, we keep talking about the benefits of size and scale. I believe that the benefits of size and scale will continue to enhance over the next few years, as sale and leaseback becomes more and more mature as a product. In terms of the integration experience that you referenced, Michael, it is true. We've just come off -- I think it's been about a year now, 1.5 years since we closed on the transaction on VEREIT. VEREIT was obviously a much more complicated transaction because there was a spin that was involved as a precondition to closing, there was integration of systems, there was integration of people. This one is going to be a much simpler transaction of 2,064 assets. And even in terms of system integration, we're going to take a slightly different route, which will make this process a lot faster, a lot more efficient and one that we've obviously got a lot of experience on that we can lean on to make more efficient. And that's the reason why we believe assuming everything goes according to plan, that this transaction will close in the first quarter of next year.
Michael Goldsmith
analystAnd as my follow-up, this one is for Sumit and both -- Sumit and Jackson both, why does this transaction make sense now? And how much does this current interest rate environment and how interest cost of capital and where cap rates are, how much of that was a catalyst for this deal to get done now?
Sumit Roy
executiveSo Jackson, I'll take it first, and then I'll hand it off to you to share your perspective. Michael, the situation that we find ourselves in, in terms of the capital markets certainly has a role, but that is not the catalyst for doing this particular transaction. Once you see the proxy getting filed, you'll know that these discussions have been ongoing for a while well ahead of this environment that we find ourselves in. But the fact that we do find ourselves in this environment with very high interest rates and access to capital certainly being an issue for some of the companies out there. And cap rates adjusting and the time it takes for cap rates to adjust, the benefits of this particular transaction, I believe, is even more enhanced. The fact that we can generate north of 2.5% accretion without having to rely on the capital markets to finance this transaction, while resulting in a leverage-neutral transaction and being able to assume a balance sheet from Spirit, that is well below market in terms of cost. It's at 3.5%, almost 5 years of tenure. Those are all benefits that I believe is even further enhanced in this environment. But just to be very clear, it wasn't this particular situation that dictated this transaction. We've been in conversations well in advance of what we find ourselves in over the last, call it, 12 months. Jackson?
Jackson Hsieh
executiveYes. Thanks, Sumit. Michael, good question. I'll give you -- I'll answer it more different way for us, and I would agree with a lot of Sumit's comments on this. It was not a knee-jerk decision on our part. But going back to when I got promoted to CEO back in early May 2017, our Board leadership team, as I said earlier in my prepared comments and associates, they have literally relentlessly met each challenge and there were many, which has resulted in this quality company that you see today. And I would tell you that today, our company is operating at the best level since I joined the company. And also, when you look at total shareholder return from when I started Friday's close, we've got a TSR over 50%. So when you look at it, you say, "Oh, that's interesting. " As you know, earlier this year, we designed a business plan that was not reliant on raising new equity or debt capital, which allowed us to showcase the strength and diversity of our real estate and tenant base. And we've continued to outperform our 1% unidentified rent reserves throughout the year. Now in spite of all these accomplishments, Spirit has consistently traded at a discount to the net lease peer group. And when you sort of look at this recent stock market performance, given this increase in long-term interest rates, it's actually interesting that the actual spread between Spirit and Realty Income's equity multiple is narrowed. So in that case, you could say, well, it's made the current environment an ideal time to negotiate a stock for stock transaction, but that wasn't the real reason. I mean, there was other reasons, as Sumit said, we started this conversation earlier. Also, and it's been said many times, Spirit's assumable $4 billion of below market fixed rate debt enables a buyer like Realty Income to generate future meaningful AFFO accretion, which would otherwise not be achievable if they were required to issue new debt today on a long-term basis. And finally, I believe, this is personal opinion, that we believe is the Board that a transaction today with Realty Income could result as a catalyst for them to actually improve their equity multiple rating, which our shareholders will also benefit in. So we -- this -- that's the background of our conversation and decision-making.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from Haendel St. Juste with Mizuho.
Haendel St. Juste
analystGood morning. I guess a very early good morning to you, Sumit. Can you add a little bit of color on if there's any provisions to this deal that you can make us aware of perhaps a go-shop breakup fee or color?
Sumit Roy
executiveSure. So Haendel, I believe our merger agreement is going to be filed later today, and you'll obviously find all the details. There is a non-solicitation window shop provision that is part of this deal, where people interested could come in within the first 30 days and the window shop provision is for a 45-day period. And then post 45 days, it basically is reliant on a shareholder vote. Obviously, our proxy being filed, which should take about 4 to 6 weeks from today. And then a shareholder vote and then post that, there's the closing. In terms of breakup fees, et cetera, the way it's been structured is that if it's within the window provision, it's 1.75%, which is roughly $93 million. If it happens post that period, it is 3.25%, which is roughly $170 million, maybe $190 million. I don't quite remember the number directly. But it's in that ZIP code. And those are the details around the non-solicitation window shop.
Haendel St. Juste
analystThat's helpful. And 1 more. Maybe a bit more on the accretion here. I'm wondering if there's any other potential levers you can pull beyond the 2.5% accretion you've identified, any other -- I know you don't need to sell assets here, but are other assets perhaps that you've also may consider selling anything within the acquired portfolio you might be predisposed to selling like perhaps the office assets when you acquired VEREIT?
Sumit Roy
executiveYes. So the good news here, Haendel, is that the number of office assets are very, very few in this particular portfolio, and a lot of them have very long-term leases. If you recall from the VEREIT portfolio as well, we ended up having to keep 6 office portfolios because it was part of CMBS. It is also stated that office is not a long-term strategic hold for us. So we will continue to look to dispose of those office assets if and when the market presents itself, we don't feel a compulsion given how small a portion of our overall portfolio is going to represent. But yes, longer term, it is certainly not core to us. In terms of the accretion number, I just want to be very clear that -- we've obviously gone through all 2,064 assets and have done a bottoms-up analysis, used our analytic tools, used our team to underwrite all of the leases. And we've been conservative and I think appropriately so, given the backdrop that we find ourselves in. And that is the reason why we've been very careful about stating that the accretion is at the -- it's 2.5%, but with the expectation that it will be more than that, given how conservatively we've underwritten this particular portfolio. And what the conservatism comes in terms of reserves that we've taken and to represent basically the current market environment that we find ourselves in. In terms of actual recycling of assets, I don't believe that we will need to go above and beyond our normal recycling, which we've been doing every quarter, and it is a natural part of our asset management operations. So yes, that's how I would answer that question, Haendel.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from Brad Heffern with RBC Capital Markets.
Brad Heffern
analystI can already hear investors saying that the deal just makes it harder for O to grow going forward. Obviously, some that you already said that the larger you get, the more opportunities that you see, but could you say what you would say to people that are incrementally more concerned about the ability for O to grow in the future post this deal?
Sumit Roy
executiveYes, Brad, there's very little I can do about that particular comment outside of continuing to prove every quarter that, look, there is a path for us to grow, and there's a path for us to do it in a way that I don't believe anybody else in our peer group can. And it's, again, goes back to some of the remarks I made in answering a previous question that sale leaseback as a product is certainly maturing. And you don't have to take my word for it. You can just take a look at some of the very large transactions that we've recently announced from the $1.5 billion EG sale leaseback that we closed on, the $900 million CIM portfolio. The close to $950 million Bellagio transaction that we talked about. There are some others that we are looking forward to discussing. We did a $1.7 billion sale leaseback that we closed on in the Encore transaction fourth quarter of last year. These are massive transactions and they require massive capital. And what a lot of folks will find themselves in taking on a particular transaction of this size is running into concentration issues, which is the primary reason why we've given examples of how this is a non-issue for a company our size. And the bigger we become the bigger a solution we can be for this ever-expanding need for capital. And especially at situations like this, like the one that we find ourselves in, where capital costs have increased, debt costs have increased, equity costs have increased, where the sale leaseback product could be viewed much more favorably. Now it is also true that our cost of capital is not what it was. But we've also seen in the past how cap rates do adjust and we are already starting to see elements of that, not white scale, but elements of that percolate through the market where we have transactions coming back to us because we were not willing to transact that given cap rate. So I think, it's a culmination of all of these factors that I believe being our size and scale will allow us to differentiate ourselves and continue to take advantage of our size. We have never viewed it and we don't view it, I know it's a sentiment that is not widely shared across the Board, but we don't view our size and scale as an impediment. In fact, we think of it as a massive advantage. It's 1 of the main reasons why we were able to go into the international markets in 2019. We had 0 investments, fast forward to today, we have $8.5 billion of investments in the international market. I mean all of that, I think, is a testament to size and scale. The fact that we were able to announce this transaction in this market condition, again, is all about size and scale and the balance sheet that comes with it. So we will win them over, Brad. Every quarter, 1 quarter at a time is how I think we're going to have to win this argument.
Brad Heffern
analystOkay. Okay. Thank you for the detailed answer on that, Sumit. Does this deal give you any capabilities that you didn't have or you were undersized in before? Obviously, when you did the VEREIT deal, you talked about gaining a team that had more experience in the higher yield strategy that would overlap with Spirit's capabilities. But just wondering if there's anything like that, that comes along with this deal?
Sumit Roy
executiveI'm sure there will be, Brad. We just -- we haven't had a chance to actually look at some of the tools that Jackson has referenced and talked about with us. That will be the next phase of this project is to actually meet with a wide swath of folks from Jackson's team, evaluate some of the tools that they've created and that they are very proud of as they should be, given the results that they've posted and see if these tools are complementary to what we've already created, and along with the tools also hopefully consider some of the personnel to see if they could help us absorb some of these tools going forward. But it is too early to tell right now as to whether there will be applications or software that we are going to absorb as part of this process. But that journey begins today.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from Eric Wolfe with Citi.
Eric Wolfe
analystYou mentioned that the interest on FSC's debt was 200 bps below your bond yields, which would imply like $120 million of extra interest expense at today's rates. Just curious how you thought about this in terms of the long-term accretion on the deal and whether the deal is still accretive on an asset flow basis since I assume that, that topic needs to be taken to market.
Sumit Roy
executiveYes. So obviously, this is well below where our bonds are trading today. Our bonds are in the mid-6s, maybe even the high 6s for an A3 / A- rated credit. The average on this 1 is right around 3.5%, and it's got a 5-year tenor. For us, the mark-to-market on this debt is absolutely true value. And though it doesn't filter through AFFO, we have largely focused on AFFO because it's a cash business. And that's not to discount the value that this brings. But obviously, it's an element of the capital stack that does not need to be addressed, assuming that we'll be able to assume all of this debt stack. And if your question, Eric, is what happens 4, 5 years from now when the debt starts to mature. I mean that's an issue that all of us are facing today. It's not unique to us. It's not unique to Spirit is going to be an issue that all companies that have debt that they've raised over the last 5, 10 years, when it comes due, it's going to have then current interest rate environment dictating whether there's value there or dilution there. So for us, for the next 4, 5 years, this is very good capital at well below market rates. And obviously, it helps with immediate accretion to our earnings and the pathway to that value creation is obviously over the next few years. But there's no doubt that the synergies on the G&A side is much more of a permanent value creation opportunity for the business.
Eric Wolfe
analystThat's helpful. And then you mentioned that you were conservative in terms of thinking about the reserves. So wondering if you could share your underwriting around the credit loss for SRC and if there are any sort of exposures that you'd like to sell more quickly? And if so, is that factored into the accretion now?
Sumit Roy
executiveAll of those things have factored into our underwriting, Eric. There's a reason why we keep saying at least 2.5% accretion. But it is also very true what Jackson shared, which was that they keep a 1% reserve and through the first 2 quarters, they haven't had to lean on any reserves. But obviously, our underwriting is more conservative. If you think about it and you look at what the public numbers are and you do your own math, you'll come to that conclusion very quickly, and you'll be able to back into the reserves that we've taken. And it's not reserved as an accounting reserve. It's just credit that we are keeping a close eye on, which will then lead to that next comment that you made about asset recycling. If there's a market and we can get ahead of it, there are certain assets that we will try to reposition. But there isn't any gun to our head, so to speak, which will push us into that asset recycling methodology. So we think we have the time. We believe we are underwriting it conservatively. And as we get more and more comfortable with the assets, some of the newer clients, that's going to dictate what the schedule is going to be in terms of asset recycling going forward.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from Wes Golladay with Baird.
Wesley Golladay
analystI just want to go back, maybe it was Haendel's question about doing something bigger. I mean do you -- is there anything you can do maybe create a fund out of this, maybe do -- obviously, you get a bigger industrial portfolio, having that. Does that do anything for you? Just trying to see what -- how 1 plus 1 can be even more?
Sumit Roy
executiveI guess, $9.5 billion is not big, however, look, all of those opportunities that you just highlighted Wes, it's certainly on the table. Do we have to rely only on the public markets for equity going forward. Whether or not we did this transaction, that is a question that we often ask ourselves. And the answers are, no, we don't have to only rely on the public markets for equity. And there are other capital sources. There are some blue chip names in our space who have perfected being able to have access to these alternative capital sources. And so this is a natural progression that you will see Realty Income making in terms of diversifying its capital sources, including private sources of capital to help further enhance the platform that we have, actually monetize the platform that we have. So I think that's a legitimate question. It's one that we are asking ourselves every day. And it is one -- I don't have an answer for you today, but it is one that is being contemplated internally.
Wesley Golladay
analystGot it. And then maybe -- I wouldn't get your view on something we always talk with investors about mark-to-market on debt and how valuable that is to a company, and obviously, there's G&A savings here as well. But I guess if you were to rank those 2, which would be more important in this deal, the mark-to-market or the G&A savings?
Sumit Roy
executiveWell, Wes, keep in mind, obviously, the G&A savings is permanent, right? I mean once you've taken that cost out of the system and we are able to operate these assets without that cost, that is a permanent value creation opportunity. So clearly, if you had to rank in terms of what has more longitude in terms of term, it's synergies that is cost base. The mark-to-market on the debt does become an impact in FFO calculations. Keep in mind, we are looking at AFFO accretion. And so yes, there is no doubt that this is below market debt, but it does not filter through to our AFFO accretion numbers. What it does show up is what is the interest expense, cash interest expense that we are going to be incurring on this particular debt while absorbing 2,000 assets. And that's the only value. And I think I mentioned this already, but I'll say it again, Wes, obviously, there's a duration to this debt piece. And it's not all immediate. It's -- the weighted average term, I believe, is 4.7 years. It's almost 5 years. And so this debt has the opportunity to create value over the duration of the term for these different instruments. And when it comes time to refinance this debt, this could either be accretive or dilutive. The good news is none of Spirit's debt comes due until 2025. There is no debt coming due next year. So for at least the next 12 months, what we are talking to the market about is absolutely realizable at 100% level.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from Linda Tsai with Jefferies.
Linda Yu Tsai
analystMaybe just going back to your response to Brad's question, would you consider stock-for-stock acquisitions and sale leasebacks as differentiated ways O plans to grow in this capital-constrained environment?
Sumit Roy
executiveYes. Linda, I would. But at the end of the day, if you're looking at a sale leaseback and offering your currency, it still has a cost, and it's close to 8% today. So ultimately, in situations like that, the cap rates need to make sense. Because we don't have the benefit that we did on this particular M&A transaction of having some of the financing coming from the assumed debt. So in terms of whether we actually buy assets for cash or for stock, we are indifferent. In fact, we prefer to give our cash as OP units in this environment because there is a cost to raising capital in a market that is very volatile. And obviously, anytime you're in the market raising capital, you're putting even more pressure on your stock. So just from that perspective, if I had a choice and if the cap rates made sense, I would prefer to offer our shares as OP units versus trying to buy things in cash and do it and raise the capital the way we've traditionally raised the capital. But having said that, I hope you picked up on the fact Linda, that we think that, look, we are a very liquid name, but our internal analysis suggests that we will become even more liquid and potentially trade $300 million of stock on a daily basis post-closing. And I think that will allow us to continue to take advantage of the way that we've raised capital in the past in an even more efficient manner. So I think all of those factors remain true.
Linda Yu Tsai
analystAnd then could you compare Realty's underwriting process with that as Spirit's? I know these are points of strength for both companies, but just wondering if there's anything that Spirit does differently that you might incorporate in your process?
Sumit Roy
executiveIt's too early to tell, Linda, as to whether there are things that Spirit does that we might want to incorporate. Having said that, we are very open. And I did say that it's starting today in terms of actually being able to reach out to the broader team. Jackson has been very kind in terms of helping put together a schedule for Wednesday, all of our respective teams will coordinate with their respective teams. And we are looking for the best solution out there. And if Spirit Realty has those solutions that we conclude is better than what we currently have, we'll be happy to absorb those as part of the process. But look, we -- and I'm sure Jackson will say the same thing, we are very comfortable, very confident in the portfolio that Jackson's team has put together. And the underwriting that we did on that portfolio is precisely the one that we would have done, had this just been a portfolio sale in the open market. So we obviously have a very high level of confidence in our ability to underwrite, which is why we are confident in some of the numbers that we are sharing with you. But in terms of what happens over the next few months, we are open.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from Ki Bin Kim with Truist.
Ki Bin Kim
analystJust going back to the accretion math. You're getting $30 million from the cash G&A savings. But what are the other buckets to get to that 2.5% accretion. And also, are you incorporating any enhanced credit spreads for the combined company just given the larger half of the balance sheet that benefits into the accretion math?
Sumit Roy
executiveWell, the accretion comes from, obviously, the multiple differential, the premium that we are paying on their spot rate, the depth that we are assuming to buy a $9.3 billion transaction. And like you said, the $30 million in cash synergies. That's -- when you run that math, you will find that the numbers will give you a particular accretion number that potentially is above the 2.5% that we've shared. And that's going to be the delta that we've said in terms of our conservative underwriting, where we said, look, we know we are going to get to 2.5%, but there's a distinct possibility that we get to more than that, but the drivers are the ones that I just said, cash synergies, differential in AFFO multiple, the below-market debt that is going to be part of the capital stack that helps that we'll assume, which obviously has value. And you run that math, those are the elements that dictate the accretion numbers.
Ki Bin Kim
analystAnd Sumit, do you ultimately see the Realty Income becoming a bigger lender as a capital solution for your clients?
Sumit Roy
executiveYes, that's a great question, Ki. I know we talked about the credit investments in the previous transaction that we had announced. Look, we are not going to be a lending shop. I just want to be super clear about that. Are there opportunities for us to episodically provide our balance sheet for clients where it makes sense, but with the clear path to owning the real estate. If all of those elements play out, it works for us, it works for the client, yes, we may choose to lend our balance sheet. But credit investments as a dedicated vertical where we are looking to just lend is not something that Realty Income will do. But as part of a sale leaseback, as part of being a total solution provider to our clients, if it makes sense, we will pursue those opportunities. But it is going to be very selective and it's going to be for clients that we believe it makes sense.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from Ronald Kamdem with Morgan Stanley.
Ronald Kamdem
analystJust 2 quick ones. I guess, one other follow-up. So one is just on -- just trying to get a sense of sort of back to the why now as you're thinking about sort of Spirit's cost of capital and thinking about growth in 2024. Just trying to -- I'm wondering if there was like a tipping point yielding where Spirit gets to a point where we don't think they have the cost of capital to grow that really push us forward. Or -- I mean, I know you mentioned you've been talking for a while, but trying to wonder if that -- those conversations really accelerated in the past 2, 3, 4 months, given the cost of capital that's gone out in a lot of the triple net space.
Sumit Roy
executiveGood question, Ron. Look, I don't know what is that precise point in time and precise conversation that tips things over. But I'll tell you, in this environment, to be able to go out to the market and say we are going to get at least 2.5% accretion. And oh, by the way, I don't need to raise $1 of capital in this capital markets in order to effectuate that in 2024, I think that has true value. And so the fact that it all came together, I would say it's partly coincidental, but I believe that the value of that 2.5% accretion without relying on the public markets has a tremendous value more so than it would have had perhaps early part of last year, for instance. And so we are grateful. We are very grateful that all of this came together and Jackson and his Board and his team came to the conclusion that being part of Realty Income would be a win-win situation for both parties. We agreed with that. Our Board agreed with that. And being able to generate this kind of earnings, I think it's a one-stop shop in one particular transaction and has tremendous value, and we are very grateful that we were able to get there.
Ronald Kamdem
analystGreat. And then just my follow-up, just on tenant health, you talked about the more conservative underwriting. If we take a step back and obviously, this earnings season, we're hearing things are slowing, demand slowing and so forth. Are we supposed to read into this that you guys are still feeling -- well, you're not seeing any sort of tenant health deterioration, you're actually still feeling pretty good about the tenants? Or is this more of a -- let's underwrite conservatively, wait and see? Just trying to get your pulse on again, the tenant health and the confidence to do this deal in this environment?
Sumit Roy
executiveYes. Look, obviously, the backdrop and how long we all expect this particular backdrop to play out plays into the conservatism that we've adopted to underwrite this particular portfolio. There's no doubt about that. Do we actually expect our conservatism to play out 100%? Absolutely not. We've had a lot of experience for 53 years now, underwriting different credits, going through different cycles. So we feel pretty confident on that this particular portfolio has tremendous potential, and to be able to do it in this particular environment has tremendous value. But it's no doubt the longer this higher interest rate environment persists, inflation persists, more tightening potentially persist, that backdrop is going to sort of result in more credit losses. I mean, there's no doubt about that. But I think we have very conservatively underwritten those scenarios, and we believe that there's more upside than downside in this particular portfolio.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from R.J. Milligan with Raymond James.
R.J. Milligan
analystMy first question was a follow-up on the last one, which is just more broadly couple of years ago, Realty Income's investment-grade exposure was north of 50%. It's now at 40%. Spirit is about 20%. So that overall number continues to move lower. I'm just curious, given the challenging macro environment, how do you get comfortable going further out the risk curve. And more specifically, are there any credit issues that are bubbling up that we should expect this quarter from either company?
Sumit Roy
executiveYes, that's a great question, R.J. And I think this question keeps coming up because it has trended down. I think our high point might have been 45% of investment grade, and now we are down to 40% and post this transaction will be down to 37%. But what we've always -- and I think we've been very true to this statement is we don't pursue and target investment grade. I mean this product out there that's investment grade that we don't believe on a risk-adjusted basis warrant the cap rates that they're trading at. And so for us, the fact that we go after credits that we underwrite on a P&L basis, balance sheet basis, the industry basis whether they're going to face tailwinds, headwinds and the fact that they're -- and there's a cap rate associated with those particular transactions. And if we come to the conclusion that we are getting appropriately compensated for the inherent risk, then we look to see do they have an investment-grade rating or not. I'll also point out that there are several names in our client registry that don't have a rating. That are not part of the 40% that we currently have. Sainsbury's, if you look at their balance sheet, it has an implied balance sheet of a credit rating in the investment grade. Treasury Wine Estates, I would put in the same bucket. Hobby Lobby, I would put in the same bucket. Wawa, I would put in the same bucket, CarMax, all of these are names, but that don't have credit ratings, we have all these, we have Little's, Trader Joe's. It represents about 5.3% of our overall credit, which don't have an investment-grade rating, but I think if you did the math and you looked at the actual credit metrics, they would have an implied credit rating of investment grade. But we don't go around saying, oh, it's not really 40%, it's 46% if you include all of these other names, we go around with what is an actual rating from 1 of the 3 rating agencies that dictates what our profile is. And for us, one of the biggest advantage with Spirit's portfolio is the visibility we have to the store level, it's 51% of the portfolio has P&Ls at the store level. I believe it's 96% at the corporate and store level combined. I mean -- and that gives you a lot of insight into the operations of the business. And then, of course, we overlay the macro elements to see whether these are industries we want to be exposed to. So it is important, R.J. And I know it's difficult from your perspective to look at, in our case, it's almost 1,100 clients exposed to 80 different industries, it's difficult for you to get a feel for what is the credit risk inherent in our portfolio. But I'll say just always go back to what is the bad debt expense that is actually being realized. And over the last many years, our bad debt expense has been 25 basis points, 26 basis points. And more recently, it has been much less than that. So that's my two cents.
R.J. Milligan
analystNo, I appreciate the color. And just as a follow-up, the 2.5% accretion from SRC. I think what you guys have already announced so far this year is over 1% expected AFFO per share growth next year. So is it reasonable to assume -- and I know without providing guidance, but if you take the 2.5%, you take the over 1% assuming that there's some more activity in the third and fourth quarter that you're essentially over 4% for next year without needing to come back to the capital markets?
Sumit Roy
executiveR. J., I'm not going to start talking about next year. I promise you that come when it is February, we will give you guidance, but those are the building blocks that you need to look at and see what is the accretion we are going to get from Spirit, what is the annualization accretion from all of the activities on the acquisition front from 2023. And that will -- obviously, we'll benefit in 2024 and overlay what is the existing market dynamics and how much more can we do, that's what's going to create the profile for what our 2024 earnings guidance is going to look like. But I can tell you, sitting where we are today and assuming that this transaction closes early part of next year, we are very happy.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from Eric Wolfe with Citi.
Eric Wolfe
analystI guess curious, do you have an estimate for how much of the $4.1 billion of debt, I guess, $4.2 billion, including the preferred is assumable. And then just any estimate onetime costs associated with the transaction, including debt rate costs, change of control, et cetera?
Sumit Roy
executiveSure. So all of that $4.2 billion is assumable. There will be very minimal, very minimal costs associated with assuming the unsecured bonds as well as the term loan. There is a $4 million CMBS that is also assumable, which we hope to assume as well. But that's not a major issue. And then the pref is also assumable. But the cost associated with this is in the single-digit basis points if you want to run the math.
Eric Wolfe
analystOkay. And then for the $50 million of G&A synergies, $30 million, excluding stock-based comp, I assume that means that we can sort of model like $20 million per year of sort of stock-based comp to get there, correct me if I'm wrong. And then the second part is just you're using the $30 million to come up with the accretion math, I think, based on the presentation.
Sumit Roy
executiveThat is correct. We are just using the $30 million because the stock-based comp doesn't run through AFFO. It's noncash.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] There are no further questions at this time, and this concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Sumit Roy for any closing remarks.
Sumit Roy
executiveThank you, everyone. Thank you, Jackson. We look forward to discussing our third quarter results with you next week and seeing you at the upcoming industry conferences. Thank you. Bye-bye.
Operator
operatorThe conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.
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