RedFlow Limited (RFX) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

August 27, 2021

Australian Securities Exchange AU Industrials earnings 45 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the RedFlow Limited FY '21 Results Briefing. [Operator Instructions] I'd now like to hand the call over to Tim Harris, CEO. Please go ahead.

Timothy Harris

executive
#2

Thank you, Ari, and good morning, everyone, on the call today for joining our FY '21 results call. My name is Tim Harris. I'm the CEO and Managing Director of RedFlow, and I'm joined today, as usual, by Trudy Walsh, our CFO and Company Secretary. Earlier today, we released our results and presentation for you, and you can find that on the ASX announcement platform. So we intend today to give you our perspective on the results and outlook on our future and where we intend to focus as a company and provide an opportunity for Q&A. And we'll use that presentation as a crutch for the discussion today. If you look at Slide 3 for the presentation, I really think that sets us up for where we want to be as a company and where we believe that we can be. If there are any doubts about our market opportunity but the challenge we face as a people, you need to look no further than the IPC... [Technical Difficulty]

Operator

operator
#3

Stay on line. We -- the main speakers have disconnected. We will reconnect them. Please stay on the line. We will recommence this call shortly. Thank you. Please hold. This call will restart shortly. Thank you. The call will restart shortly. Thank you. Mr. Harris, you're back live on the call?

Timothy Harris

executive
#4

Thank you, Ari. And apologies to everyone. We're not sure. We had a few technical issues there. So just jumping straight back into the presentation. As we were saying, in Slide 3, we think that the drivers and the imperative to move to a greener energy future is now more urgent than ever. Energy storage sits right at the heart of a renewable energy future. And with RedFlow and the progress I think we've made over the last couple of years, we stand very well positioned to capitalize on that trend. As we pass over to Slide 4, some of the key highlights that we think that we've achieved, we think is significant in the journey of RedFlow and our outlook going forward. And all of this, we believe, has been enabled in a backdrop of a particularly challenging situation with regards to COVID and the ongoing uncertainty and logistical challenges that it has created. Financial highlights include delivery of over $2 million revenue, which represents a 14% increase in... [Technical Difficulty]

Operator

operator
#5

To be technical issues coming from the venue. We will reconnect the callers right away. Please stay on the line. Apologies for any convenience. We will reconnect the callers. Thank you. Please stay connected. We will be rejoining the main speakers shortly. Thank you. Please hold. We'll restart this call shortly. Thank you. We'll start this call, right away. Mr. Harris, I think you...

Timothy Harris

executive
#6

Ari, thank you.

Operator

operator
#7

Apologies. I'm not sure what's happening on that side.

Timothy Harris

executive
#8

Yes.

Operator

operator
#9

Please continue.

Timothy Harris

executive
#10

Thank you, Ari. And apologies to everyone. We just switched to a different platform. So hopefully, we won't have any further issues. Just recapping what I was saying on Slide 4 of the presentation. 14% increase in revenue that we were delighted with, that we were able to achieve despite the challenges of COVID. But in particular, I think sort of the profile of the orders we managed to achieve, including Anaergia, Semini Grains, Optus, I think, are very accretive to our future and provide a very strong platform for us to build on. And where we are today is we have a very strong pipeline of growing interest, particularly in the larger scale systems, both in Australia and the U.S. An announcement we made earlier on this morning about being named a tender for a megawatt hour system in Western Australia, I think, reflects that growing interest in our solution. So what we have now, I think, is that we have built a strong set of reference deployments. And with over 140 systems now operational, we think that's one of the largest deployments of any flow battery in the world. And we think that's very important because it proves to our end customers, our partners and to investors that we understand how to operate the battery at very -- at depths and breadths. Depth is that we built out a lot of history in terms of how to operate and optimize the battery, but also a breadth of how we can make the battery optimize around -- according to a different number of applications and customer environments. If I go on to the next slide, still in the context of COVID, we have been able to materially progress some of the key innovations that are important to our future. We've been progressing the Gen3, including customer trials, iteration of our stack design, finalization of our tank and our electronics. And our target launch for that is by the end of FY 2022. New innovations that we've been focused on include our industrial battery housing; the capability to use our batteries alongside lead acid batteries, which has been developed for the Optus; the development of our Energy Pod Z, which is very important to larger and megawatt hour type systems; the validation of the reuse and recycling capabilities of our battery using Ecocycle, a leading Brisbane-based recycling company; and we've continued to progress in terms of the core chemistry research and key elements around the operation of our battery, including pH optimization. We see -- we continue to see tremendous opportunities to drive further performance and cost down out of the battery, and we think that's a long-term accretive value activity that we'll continue to invest in. At the same time, we've continued to focus on tight cost control. We've secured available government COVID-19 support measures in 2020, where they were available, and during that time, tightly managed our costs appropriately given the uncertainty of the future ahead while still focusing on some of those R&D initiatives and Gen3 progression. Critically, as we've moved forward, we've been able to raise further capital this year, including the $5 million placement with new technology capital and an additional $10.8 million raised post period from the entitlement offer, of which $0.5 million is subject to shareholder approval from our partnership with FUND4SE. And I'd like to thank all shareholders who participated in that raise, which puts us in an extremely strong position to capitalize on the significant opportunities we see for us. If I just go on to the next slide, Slide 6, I think it's just worth recapping to the audience here about what we think sets us apart and why we're different and why we think that we have a very strong future ahead of us. We're one of the world's leading flow battery companies with a deep technical competence in zinc-bromine, which we think has got a competitive advantage against other flow batteries. We have a growing list of blue chip clients that are completely committed to renewable energy and have addressable spend. As I mentioned before, we had one of the largest flow battery deployments. And that means that we have very large also set of cycles that we've got behind us and our technology. The market for our products is large and growing, and the urgency to address energy storage needs is also growing. And we have a manufacturing capability that is set for purpose today and is capable of being scaled up. And lastly, we have our Gen3 product, which is capable of scaling and it's going to be the key platform for further cost down. As I look at Slide 7, I think it's worth just highlighting some of those components around our proven field experience. And as we're talking to more and more end customers in places such as Australia and the U.S., the product points that we have built up, especially over the last 2 to 3 years, are extremely important to that. So now we have over 140 active deployments. We've delivered over 1.3 gigawatt hours of energy to those end customers. And we can -- have demonstrated how the modular 10-kilowatt-hour approach that we have can be scaled from smaller telco-based systems all the way up to large kilowatt hour systems for commercial, industrial and... [Technical Difficulty]

Operator

operator
#11

Please stay holding. We seem to have an issue with our sound from the venue. Please continue to hold. Please hold. Start again shortly. We're not sure what the technical issues. We're investigating. And we will join the callers back. Thank you. Please continue to hold. The call will restart shortly. Thank you.

Timothy Harris

executive
#12

Hello?

Operator

operator
#13

So we have reconnected you again. Please go ahead.

Timothy Harris

executive
#14

Thank you, Ari. I apologize. It looks like we've still got some continuing problems, but we'll carry forward as best as we can. I'm not too sure about where that was cut off, but if I can just recap on Slide #8. What the key message that we have there is according to the innovation and the program that we have and our partnership with Optus, we now have a very strong proven evidence case due to a serious storm in Victoria, Australia that proves the hibernation mode and our ability to work seamlessly with lead acid batteries. And due to that storm, the ZBMs on that site help to charge and carry the load of that site for nearly 12 hours. So that's a very strong proof point for us, and we are now engaged with a number of U.S. telcos who are very interested in our solution around that as they continue to battle with the challenge of increasing wildfire, especially in California. Just then going on to Slide 9 with the Anaergia project. I think as hopefully the audience here recalls, we believe that the Anaergia project is incredibly important for us for a number of reasons. It's important because it takes us into a large megawatt-hour size and space. It was our largest ever order. But critically, it also provided a very important footprint for us in California and the U.S. market. That project is proceeding well. All of the energy pods, which are critical, these are 16 battery pods, which formed part of our larger megawatt-hour type systems, are now shipped and on route to California. We've successfully tested that Energy Pod Z and the Dynapower inverters that are going to be used on that site. And we've secured local project delivery resources in California to support the necessary local coordination. We have targeted our team from Australia to travel to the U.S. to support that installation, but also continue on some of the exciting discussions we're also seeing in California and the U.S. So the summary from where we sit today is that project is on track to installation and commissioning in early October 2021, other logistics allowing. So we believe that's a very important milestone for us and is a project which is tracking well. I wanted to provide everyone an update about the situation with COVID in Thailand. Look, after successfully navigating, we think, some of the worst instances of COVID around the world in 2020 and early 2021, unfortunately, Thailand has been heavily impacted by deteriorating COVID situation there in recent months. I believe, and back in earlier in August, Thailand had a daily record of more than 20,000 COVID cases per day. And it's additionally challenged because as we understand it, there's no national vaccine program yet in place. So where we are in terms of our manufacturing facility, which is in the Chon Buri area, has been materially affected. We have had a small number of our staff who had contracted the virus over the past few weeks. All those affected staff are now fully recovered and back to work. And some of that overall conditions in Thailand have led to some delays in local materials supply and also some of the servicing of our key equipment. We continue to have appropriate isolation, quarantine and things such as deep facility cleaning measures in place, including regular testing of our staff. And by doing so, the view that we have today is that facility has been able to remain open. We have had some short-term impacts in terms of productions. But as we see the environment hopefully stabilizing, we can get back on track. The broader COVID situation has led to some increased freight costs and some shipping delays of critical materials. But despite this, we've been able to successfully deliver on the Anaergia project for the materials that we've been developing in Thailand. Further restrictions that the Australian government have put in place around overseas travel has added an additional element of complexity to managing the situation. We're hopeful of navigating that further over the coming months. But the net impact is that the introduction of the Gen3 battery into the production environment, because of some of those restrictions about getting some of that key team up into Thailand, we believe, is going to be impacted. And the guidance that we're now having is that with the introduction of that Gen3, we'll move towards the end of the financial year 2022 versus early in calendar year 2022. So the outlook we have there is that we still remain confident that Thailand presents the optimal manufacturing location for our current needs and our immediate growth plan. We continue to monitor the situation very carefully, first for the health and well-being of our staff, and then secondly, that we can assure the facility remains open. But in addition, we're looking to make some additional investments here in Australia around our line capability and specific techniques that we need for our Gen3 to enable that Gen3 launch in Thailand to be at low risk and can be in an optimized state. So I think we've been able to successfully navigate the COVID situation very well in Thailand. I think the team there has done an outstanding job in a particularly kind of challenging situation. We still remain confident that we can continue to produce batteries in this environment and grow our production rate. And we look forward to introducing Gen3 into the production environment by the end of this financial year. I'll now pass on to Trudy for a summary of our financials.

Trudy Walsh

executive
#15

Thank you, Tim. FY 2021 results showed some very pleasing elements with $2.2 million of revenue for the year, up 14% on FY 2020. The COVID-19 pandemic did impact the revenue for the first half of the year. Other income was up slightly on last year. Whilst the R&D rebate was slightly lower with JobKeeper payment proceeds with $868,000 compared to $342,000 in FY 2020. These payments were passed on in full for our employees and enable RedFlow to keep employees and pursue its growth strategy. On raw materials and consumables are not only our cost of goods sold but also includes the immediate expensing of a portion of the [indiscernible] factory costs. This was due to the moderation of production throughout most of 2020 due to the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic impacting customer sales. The maintaining of the facility with the ability to build their batteries as scale is required is essential to our growth strategy. The total anticipated gross margin loss for the Anaergia project has also been recognized in full in FY 2021. This project has been [indiscernible] growing interest in our energy storage solutions and our entrance into the U.S. market. This project was the first utilizing our Energy Pod Z solution. Also includes materials used in our R&D program and all freight costs currently immediately expensed to the P&L. Other expenses are slightly higher at $9.3 million compared to $8.9 million for FY 2020. This is mainly due to 2 noncash impacting expenses. The immediate expensing of expenses associated with the share placement with New Technology Capital Group and the share-based payment expense to RedFlow's LTI program to all executives and to senior management. I reiterate, this is not cash out. Whilst the expense is recognized each year, there are still performance criteria to be achieved over the next 2 years before [ the share is back ]. Moving on to our balance sheet. RedFlow's financial year was $9.8 million in cash at bank. And this has been boosted by $10.3 million of funds received in July and August from the entitlement offer. There's a further $500,000 that will be received after shareholder approval in relation to FUND4SE investments. Inventories are lower than last year, particularly finished goods. This is due to the increase and sale of batteries in the second half of this year and the lower level of production during the year, particularly during the first half of the year with the uncertainty created by the COVID-19 pandemic. Trade and other payables includes the liability to the advance of funds in relation to the share placement agreement with New Technology Capital Group. This will reduce as shares are issued as per the terms of the agreement. Provisions have increased as a result of an increase in employee provisions, mainly long service lease provisions and the provision for the remainder of the anticipated loss on the Anaergia contract. As mentioned earlier, this contract has been a door-opening opportunity for RedFlow in California and U.S. energy storage market and was a project where the development of the Energy Pod Z solution was expedited. Moving on to cash flow. Net cash outflows from operations was down 30% from the prior corresponding period, with payments to suppliers and employees down 17% as a result of prudent cost management throughout the year and the moderation of production. Outflows did increase in the last quarter of FY 2022. This coincides with increasing production and demand. The proceeds from the capital raising includes the funds from the July entitlement offer and subsequent shortfall and $5 million received from New Technology Capital Group. Again, subsequent to 30 June, RedFlow has received $10.3 million from the recent entitlement offer and shortfall placement with the additional $500,000 become subject to shareholder approval. I'll now hand back to Tim.

Timothy Harris

executive
#16

Thank you, Trudy. If I can turn [indiscernible] to Slide 16. I think I'd just like to highlight, I think, some of the macro factors that we think are very strong for our business. And I think people will appreciate the accelerating demand for energy storage not only here in Australia, but on a global basis. And I think if you kind of put it into perspective, there are a number of reports that says that the energy storage market is expected to be at least 36x larger than it was in 2020. So the growth of the market, the trajectory of the market and the size of the market, we think, are very attractive to RedFlow. On Slide 17, we think there's a number of factors that are also very accretive to us as we think there was a shift from energy storage, which is focused on stabilization through optimization. We note that more and more corporates are demanding renewable energy and wanting to have the demonstrated effects that all of their energy use is renewable and not only from PV, but also from storage. We're also starting to see some of the challenges from increasing renewables as the level of renewables goes up to single digits to mid-teens. That's creating some significant challenges on today's grid, both in terms of negative pricing and there's also curtailment. And so as a result, we're seeing renewed support for medium- to longer-term energy storage duration solutions here in Australia according to the Australian government's Technology Investment Roadmap, but also the U.S. Department of Energy's Storage Grand Challenge that puts the focus on new solutions for that medium- to longer-term energy storage. And one of the key things that I think is becoming apparent, that lithium is not the solution to all of those challenges. I think over the last 6 months, we've seen some emerging concerns over lithium in some of the high-profile clients that Tesla faced in Victoria, in Townsville, but also a number of other high-profile lithium-based buyers in places like Beijing and Illinois and California. So whilst we recognize that the risk of fires with lithium batteries are small, it is real and it is an growing area of discussions, both with our partners and also within customers. And I think in parallel, we're starting to see that growing recognition of flow batteries. As the world moves to that medium- to longer-term energy storage duration, the growing recognition by like people like Jennifer Granholm about flow batteries that wouldn't have been thought of 3, 4, 5 years ago is now starting to become more and more apparent. And that presents a significant opportunity for RedFlow given our level of commercial maturity and ability to meet a scale-up of customer requirements. So our major type of markets identified in Slide 20 remains the same: commercial, industrial, the telco space, micro grid type solutions, and we think that we can increasingly start to lean into utility-type deployment on the back of reference deployments in megawatt hours such as Anaergia. And it's worth reiterating on Slide 21 some of those kind of key drivers of our value proposition. The ability to just charge our energy for up to 12 hours and the additional potential to put that into hibernation mode. The deep daily discharge and sustained energy output that we could have. The ability for us to hibernate the batteries that allows for extended duration for weeks and months. And there are no risk of thermal runaway and nonflammable materials that I think puts us at a strong differentiation point. And also excellent tolerance for high ambient temperatures without external air cooling, which we think is increasingly important to the business cases of some of the corporates that we are engaging. What I'd like to just touch briefly on is the U.S. market. I think as we talked before when we were launching our capital raise, how we were deciding on some increasing focus on the U.S. and the reasons why. That includes a new commitment by the Biden administration. Accelerating levels of renewables investments that's going into wind and solar and storage. Increasing effect of duck curves that are seeing negative pricing in California increase significantly over previous years. And increasing concerns about energy security. And so taking all those elements together, along with the active support for new energy storage technologies, whether it's from the U.S. Secretary Energy or from the California Energy Commission, which is sponsoring our energy project, we think the time is now. And I think the macro challenge that we have is there's so much renewable energy that's being generated in places like California now. You're even seeing billboards advising the public to conserve the energy between the hours of 4 to 9 p.m., purely because there's not enough renewable energy to support the load during that time. So we think the opportunity for us in California and the U.S. is significant, and the opportunity for us in California and the U.S. is now. So on Slide 23, we've embarked on a series of activities that is going to support, we think, a growing set of very significant opportunities for us in the U.S. We commenced a bankability study with a leading EPC company called DNV GL that looks at our company and our product and testing of battery performance that helps validate our credentials to EPC and PPA companies. We secured some market advisory elements on one of, I think, California's leading experts in energy storage and also local delivery support to support the Anaergia project and other projects which are in the pipeline. We've started to look at potential U.S. sourcing of key materials as we know that the emphasis is on made of the U.S.A., according to some of the customers that we've engaged with. And critically, we're engaging with a series of EPC partners who recognize the value creation that we can potentially bring and would be very important delivery partners in the country. And in parallel, we're continuing discussions with various states and federal institutions who are very interested in supporting alternative technologies to lithium and supporting our ramp-up in the country. So we have a number of exciting customer engagements that we actively engage on at the moment. They include a couple of telcos for wildfire resiliency. As contained in an RFI that we've put out to the market a little while ago, we've been included in an RFI with the New York Stock Exchange for very large corporate for a large-scale deployment. The critical thing that we like about that is that RFI explicitly excludes lithium batteries. And that led to our partnership with FUND4SE. FUND4SE, as per our announcement, is a leading Singaporean VC company that's focused on renewable technologies and have been very important to assist us with engaging with customers around this RFI opportunities but have also been important for us in introducing us to a number of other exciting opportunities at various senior management levels. We're also engaged on a large-scale deployment for another -- for a large company for their operation centers. And we see a number of emerging opportunities for us in the micro grid solutions space in California. So as we look to our key priorities for this year, clearly, the important thing that we need to do is to execute on our current projects. That includes Anaergia, the remainder of the Optus bushfire resiliency program, Semini Grain, and a number of others. We need to make sure that we introduce that Gen3 environment in a low-risk, high ramp-up nano into production in FY 2022. And we also allow the Energy Pod Z that we've built for Anaergia to be enabled for other large-scale deployments. We're expanding on front end of our sales activity, including hiring new sales and business development resources and marketing resources. And a particular focus of those resources are going to be on the Australian and U.S. markets. We want to accelerate our U.S. presence, expand our partner ecosystem, as I've talked about before, and enabling, I think, some key components that is going to allow us to be able to go and shoot for some of those larger projects such as U.S.-based independent testing of [indiscernible]. We're going to accelerate our manufacturing capacity as we start to see more confidence and our pipeline start to grow. And on the shape and size of that opportunity, we're going to explore opportunities for U.S. localization that's going to be dependent on us making sure that we can leverage our time for this facility as much as possible and our confidence in that growing set of demand. And in the meantime, we're going to extend our technology leadership. We are the leaders in our field, but the -- all of our leadership in R&D activity is orientated around increasing performance and driving down cost. We're going to continue to maintain our prudent cost management as we have done consistently and pursue additional saving measures where we think it's going to be in the interest of our shareholders. And we continue to progress potential strategic investment and partnership discussions over the course of the year. So look, we think that we are in very exciting times at the moment. Again, I would like to thank our shareholders who participated in our recent capital raise. We think that puts us in a very strong, very exciting position to leverage the significant opportunities that we see before us. Thank you, Ari. I'd now like to hand it back to the audience for any questions they may have.

Operator

operator
#17

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is from [ Peter Ross ].

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#18

That all sounds pretty good. It looks to me -- it sounds to me like you're focusing on the hardware side of the business, which makes sense. Increasingly, it looks like the energy game is going to turn into a software business, and that's probably not something that RedFlow is currently positioned for. Are you looking at licensing partnerships on advanced grid connect software with others?

Timothy Harris

executive
#19

Yes, look, really good question, Peter, and I think the short answer to that is yes. We see into things like VPPs that become much more prevalent. And actually, I was talking to a real estate developer earlier on today who was talking about sort of smart connected buildings, of which energy storage is an important component. I think what I would say, Peter, is the battery management system that we have developed today adds a lot of flexibility in terms of what we can do with other system controllers. And that was led by, I think, and enabled by Simon Hackett when -- over the last kind of couple of years. So look, you're absolutely right. As we start to look forward, the ability to manage our energy storage asset alongside others in a sophisticated way is going to become important. But what I would say is that we are working on that. We do have the capability. And we are progressing some other discussions with third parties around the capability as well.

Operator

operator
#20

Our next question is from [ Brendan Primer of Brumweld ].

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#21

A couple of years ago, we were doing something with China there with the battery. And then all of a sudden, nothing's happened. What's the progress with or any progress being made with that?

Timothy Harris

executive
#22

Yes. Good question. Thanks, [ Brendan ]. So I think it's -- just to remind investors, we created a demonstration system in the Qinghai province in partnership with ZBest Power about 18 months ago. That system is still there. It is still running as a demonstration system. I think there's a couple of things that have influenced our activities in that space, primarily that's got to do with COVID and the situation that I think has been going there since 2020. And furthermore, just the ability to travel and engage with potential Chinese partners. Look, we've continued to receive a number of inquiries from Chinese partners who are interested in partnering with us to license our battery in China. As I think I said many times, when we're entering those discussions, preservation of shareholder capital and value is at the forefront of our minds. And we haven't seen any of those potential partners yet that we think is prudent for us to go to the next levels with. But never say never. So look, we continue to think that, that demonstration system, which is working at the moment, provides a good, strong local proof point for any Chinese-based investors. And at the right time with the right partners in the right space, that's an opportunity that we think remains open for us.

Operator

operator
#23

Our next question comes from [ Peter Thomas ].

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#24

So when developer wants to build a windmill or a solar farm, they generally have a 25-year design life. And if those developers want to include the best and particularly rely on it for good support, they're going to find that the maximum with [indiscernible] about 15 years and you maybe get a performance guarantee to 20 years. But either way, they're going to fall short of being able to rely on that for the full life cycle without switching out the batteries halfway through. Do you think RedFlow is a technology based on the fact it doesn't degrade capacity in the same way as lithium-ion would? That eventually RedFlow would be able to match the design life of renewable developments? And what's being done to highlight that to renewable developers?

Timothy Harris

executive
#25

So [ Peter ], you're just a little bit faint there, but I think your kind of key question was, do we think we've got a battery or battery potential that can match the kind of the asset life of solar at 25 years?

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#26

That's right.

Timothy Harris

executive
#27

The philosophical answer to that is yes. Sometimes we think considering ourselves and referring to ourselves as a battery can actually be misleading. We're actually an energy storage machine. We have a tank, we have electrolyte, we have pumps, we have electronics, and we have a stack. Each of those components can actually be replaced and we've proven that about how we've replaced stacks in the field. So as we start to look forward, and this is a topic that we've been having with some developers here in Australia and in the U.S., it's a longer-term contract. So we can extend the life of the battery with the right service contracts beyond 10 years to 15 or 20 years. So that requires us to potentially change out things like pumps over that period. But I think with the right service model, we think there's absolutely the potential for us to do so. And I think as we mentioned before, the ability to recondition and recycle that electrolyte, which is a significant proportion of the cost of the battery, is also quite strong. So -- and as you said before, we think that there's a potential for us with our energy storage solution to stop thinking about your energy storage asset as a disposable but more of an asset on your balance sheet that you can sweat over decades. So look, that's not going to happen overnight. We think we need to get some more large-scale reference deployments in place. But certainly, that's a topic of discussion that we're having with EPC and other PPA companies about the potential for the future.

Operator

operator
#28

At this time, I'll hand the call back to you for closing comments. Thank you.

Timothy Harris

executive
#29

Thank you, Ari. And again, I would just like to send my thanks to everyone participating today and their ongoing support for us at RedFlow. As I said before, we think there's very, very strong drivers, growth drivers for us in the market that we want to tap into. I think we're well positioned, both from some of the deployments that we're doing here in Australia but also in the U.S. that puts us in a very exciting position. And we think we've got the right management team, capability and capacity for this next phase of our significant growth. So thank you, everyone, for attending, and we look forward to keeping you updated as we progress throughout this financial year. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#30

Thank you. And this concludes today's call. You may now disconnect your lines.

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